[PREP] Baby Formula

RentedMule

Senior Member
I'm not a doomer by any stretch of the imagination, however, I do have concern for my family's safety. I live in the NYC area and I have a mandatory trip to California during election week that I cannot get out of. That causes me angst right off the bat.

We have a 3 month old and my question is, in general, how much canned formula should we have stored?

Thanks in advance.
 

Albuburbia

Membership Revoked
You just need to do the math. How many bottles a day now? Consumption will increase, ya know. I'd just go ahead and double consumption for the figgerin. Maybe triple, if the kid's a moose. Look at your servings per container on the formula. There are different sizes. I'm not sure when you switch to regular milk. Current mommies will have to chime in on that, because I just don't remember. I've got a good stash going for my grandaughter. You should also stash some rice cereal, maybe some of the other cereal, too, like the oats. Don't forget diapers! And cloth diapers, pins, and plastic pants, too. Every mom should have some, just for those times when you could have sworn you had a new package of disposables, but can't find them and you don't want to go out or are broke for a minute. Wally World has the cotton prefolded with the gauze insides. Pricey, about a buck each, sold in dozens, but they're the best dustcloths you'll ever own! Oh, and stash some kiddy tylenol and teething med.

Anyway, just do the math for the bottle/day and then decide how long you want to be able to run on stash.
 

Beetree

Veteran Member
Of course the best food is breast milk for the babies. Then if something happens to the mother another breast feeding mother can take on two. My grandomther did that. But if worst comes to worst, I have heard of mothers chewing food and then feeding it to their young. It all depends on the age of course. If you don't want to be hurting for food for your baby then store what you think would be wise. How much does your baby need for two weeks. That would give you time to go out and search for more.
 

A.T.Hagan

Inactive
I have a section on infant formula in the Prudent Food Storage FAQ if you'd like to read it.

Alburbia has the right of it, just do the necessary math remembering to factor in the increasing needs of your child as he/she grows older.

One very important thing to remember is that you absolutely, positively have got to have safe potable water to mix the formula with if you're not using ready-to-feed and to wash the feeding equipment with regardless. Don't forget to factor in that extra water if you haven't already.

I'm presuming that as your child is already three months old you've got a formula the child is already taking well. If so, stick with it and don't try to change brands in midstream.

.....Alan.
 

Trailboss

Contributing Member
I'll add my two cent worth. Powdered baby formula goes bad pretty quickly so place excess in freezer bag and freeze it to retain freshness. Remember to rotate supplies.

Goat milk is a very good subsistute for baby formula. Not something most babies are allergic to. Canned goat milk is disgusting though, go with fresh if at all possible.

The baby cereal is a very good idea. I bought and still have a small hand held food mill that I used for all four of my kids instead of baby food. I put regular table food in it and ground it up for them. Of coarse I gave them no table food at all until they were around 9 months old. It was breast milk, then formula and cereal at 6 months. No food allergies here either.

And in a real pinch if need be you can always make your own formula. Take one pound of soybean meal, 3 qts water and boil the two together for 25 min. Stir constantly as this burns easily. Strain. You may sweeten this slightly, remember it will spoil just like milk so it must be refrigerated.

In a real pinch skimmed cows milk diluted half and half with water would be better than nothing at all. Add a Tbsp of molasses to increase the iron per qt.

A bottle of infant vit might be a good "insurance". What Alan said about water is an absolute. Very clean bottles too.

Slippery Elm powder is very safe for small babies and is very nutritious. It normalizes the bowel too. A bottle on hand would be good to have too. Hope this gives you an idea or two. Think out of the box. There are all kinds of ways to prepare for babies.
 

closet squirrel

Veteran Member
I have a friend who is pregnant, due in December. About 3 months ago, I casually mentioned that it might be a good idea for her to get a little bit of formula, just in case. I convinced her that it would be a good idea, incase of some sort of terrorist attack. (she knows Im crazy) I didnt think she would pay any attention to me, but the next day she asked me how much I thought she should have. It then became a mission for her. She figured how many ounces a day a baby drinks and started on a quest. She now has 9 months worth. It makes the prepper in me jealous! Her shelf looks like the grocery store
 

blackjeep

The end times are here.
AVOID SOY FORMULA!!!

Here's an interesting article on the dangers of soy in baby formula. Soy presents many dangers to babies. Please give this your consideration for the sake of your little one.

Here's the link: http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/infant.html



An estimated 25% of North American babies receive infant formula made from processed soybeans. Parents use soy formula in the belief that is it healthier than formula based on cows' milk. Soy promotional material claims that soy provides complete protein that is less allergenic than cows' milk protein. When soy infant formula first became commercially available, manufacturers even promised that soy formula was "better than breast milk."

Parents have a right to know how these extravagant claims compare to scientific findings related to soy infant formula.

While soybeans are relatively high in protein compared to other legumes, scientists have long recognized them as a poor source of protein because other proteins found in soybeans act as potent enzyme inhibitors. These "antinutrients" block the action of trypsin and other enzymes needed for protein digestion. In test animals, diets high in trypsin inhibitors depress growth and cause enlargement and pathological conditions of the pancreas, including cancer.

The soy industry recognizes that trypsin inhibitors are a problem in infant formula and have spent millions of dollars to determine the best way to remove them. Trypsin inhibitors are large, tightly folded proteins that are only deactivated after a considerable period of heat treatment. This process removes most—but not all—of the trypsin inhibitors, but has the unfortunate side effect of over-denaturing the other proteins in soy, particularly lysine, rendering them difficult to digest and possibly toxic. Even in low amounts, trypsin inhibitors prevented normal growth in rats.

The main ingredient in soy infant formula is soy protein isolate, a powder extracted from soybeans through a process that involves not only high temperatures but also caustic chemicals. The alkaline soaking solution produces a carcinogen, lysinealine, and reduces the cystine content, which is already low in the soybean. Other carcinogens called nitrosamines are formed during high temperature spray drying.

Soybeans also contain high levels of phytic acid or phytates. This is an organic acid, present in the outer portion of all seeds, which blocks the uptake of essential minerals-calcium, magnesium, iron and especially zinc-in the intestinal tract. Soybeans have very high levels of a form of phytic acid that is particularly difficult to neutralize. As early as 1967, researchers testing soy formula found that it caused negative zinc balance in every infant to whom it was given. Scientists have found a strong correlation between phytate content in formula and poor growth, even when the diets were additionally supplemented with zinc. High amounts of phytic acid in soy foods and grains have caused retarded growth in children on macrobiotic diets. A reduced rate of growth is especially serious in the infant as it causes a delay in the accumulation of lipids in the myelin, and hence jeopardizes the development of the brain and nervous system.

Soy formula can also cause vitamin deficiencies. Soy increases the body's requirements for vitamin B12, a nutrient that is absolutely vital for good health. Early studies with soy formula indicated that soy blocks the uptake of fats. This may explain why soy seems to increase the body's requirements for fat-soluble vitamin D.

Aluminum content of soy formula is 10 times greater than milk based formula, and 100 times greater than unprocessed milk. Aluminum has a toxic effect on the kidneys of infants, and has been implicated as causing Alzheimer's in adults. Soy formulas lack cholesterol, another nutrient that is absolutely essential for the development of the brain and nervous system; they also lack lactose and galactose, which play an equally important role in the development of the nervous system. A number of other substances, which are unnecessary and of questionable safety, are added to soy formulas including carrageenan, guar gum, sodium hydroxide (caustic soda), potassium citrate monohydrate, tricalcium phosphate, dibasic magnesium phosphate trihydrate, BHA and BHT.

What about the claim that soy formula is less allergenic than cows milk formula? Studies indicate that allergies to soy are almost as common as those to milk. Use of soy formula to treat infant diarrhea has had mixed results, some studies showing improvement with soy formula while others show none at all.

The most serious problem with soy formula is the presence of phytoestrogens or isoflavones. While many claims have been made about the health benefits of these estrogen-like compounds, animal studies indicate that they are powerful endocrine disrupters that alter growth patterns and cause sterility. Toxicologists estimate that an infant exclusively fed soy formula receives the estrogenic equivalent of at least five birth control pills per day. By contrast, almost no phytoestrogens have been detected in dairy-based infant formula or in human milk, even when the mother consumes soy products. A recent study found that babies fed soy-based formula had 13,000 to 22,0000 times more isoflavones in their blood than babies fed milk-based formula. Scientists have known for years that isoflavones in soy products can depress thyroid function, causing autoimmune thyroid disease and even cancer of the thyroid. But what are the effects of soy products on the hormonal development of the infant, both male and female?

Male infants undergo a "testosterone surge" during the first few months of life, when testosterone levels may be as high as those of an adult male. During this period, the infant is programed to express male characteristics after puberty, not only in the development of his sexual organs and other masculine physical traits, but also in setting patterns in the brain characteristic of male behavior. In monkeys, deficiency of male hormones impairs learning and the ability to perform visual discrimination tasks-such as would be required for reading-and retards the development of spatial perception, which is normally more acute in men than in women.

It goes without saying that future patterns of sexual orientation may also be influenced by the early hormonal environment. Pediatricians are noticing greater numbers of boys whose physical maturation is delayed, or does not occur at all, including lack of development of the sexual organs. Learning disabilities, especially in male children, have reached epidemic proportions. Soy infant feeding-which floods the bloodstream with female hormones that could inhibit the effects of male hormones-cannot be ignored as a possible cause for these tragic developments.

As for girls, an alarming number are entering puberty much earlier than normal, according to a recent study reported in the journal Pediatrics. Investigators found that one percent of all girls now show signs of puberty, such as breast development or pubic hair, before the age of three; by age eight, 14.7 percent of white girls and a whopping 48.3 percent of African-American girls had one or both of these characteristics. New data indicate that environmental estrogens such as PCBs and DDE (a breakdown product of DDT) may cause early sexual development in girls and a study in Puerto Rico implicated soy feeding as a cause of early menarche. The use of soy formula in the WIC program, which supplies free formula to welfare mothers, may explain the astronomical rates of early menarche in African American girls.

The consequences are tragic. Young girls with mature bodies must cope with feelings and urges that most children are not well-equipped to handle. And early maturation in girls is frequently a harbinger for problems with the reproductive system later in life including failure to menstruate, infertility and breast cancer.

Other problems that have been anecdotally associated with children of both sexes who were fed soy-based formula include extreme emotional behavior, asthma, immune system problems, pituitary insufficiency, thyroid disorders and irritable bowel syndrome.

Concerns about the dangers of soy have prompted consumer groups in New Zealand and Canada to call for a ban on the sale of soy infant formula. Milk-based formula contains a better protein profile and does not flood the infant with antinutrients and female hormones. Breast feeding is best IF the mother has consumed a healthy diet, one that is rich in animal proteins and fats, throughout her pregnancy and continues to do so while nursing her infant. Mothers who cannot breast feed, for whatever reason, should prepare homemade formula based on whole milk for their babies. The rare child allergic to whole milk formula should be given a whole foods meat-based formula, not one made of soy protein isolate. Parents who invest time in preparing homemade formula will be well rewarded with the joys of conferring robust good health on their children.

For references and further information on soy foods and soy formula, see www.soyonlineservice.co.nz or send $12 US to Soy Alert!, PMB #106-380, 4200 Wisconsin Avenue, NW, Washington DC 20007.

Recipes for homemade infant formula are given in Nourishing Traditions, The Cookbook that Challenges Politically Correct Nutrition and the Diet Dictocrats by Sally Fallon with Mary Enig, PhD. Available for $25 plus shipping and handling from NewTrends Publishing, Inc. (877) 707-1776, or www.NutritionalResources.com
 

RC

Inactive
RentedMule said:
I'm not a doomer by any stretch of the imagination, however, I do have concern for my family's safety. I live in the NYC area and I have a mandatory trip to California during election week that I cannot get out of. That causes me angst right off the bat.

We have a 3 month old and my question is, in general, how much canned formula should we have stored?

Thanks in advance.

At a minimum, even for those who are not "doomers", I would keep at least a couple weeks' supply on hand. That would take care of things like snowstorms, the store being temporarily out, you being temporarily out of money, etc. We try to shoot for at least a month's supply on hand, hopefully more. The powdered formula seems to have a shelf life of more than a year, so you're not going to be out anything for buying all of the formula for your baby's formula career up front. I'm not sure of the shelf life on the pre-mixed and concentrate, as we don't use that very often.

One tip that will save you a LOT of money is to switch to the generic formula from Wal-Mart, Target, Walgreens, and other places. It is all the same, and is made by Wyeth. Our baby likes it, and we did a taste test, and IMHO, it tastes better than the other brands. The Wal-Mart price is about $15 for a big can that lasts about a week. Target is slightly higher, and Walgreens is higher yet.

Even if you can't bring yourself to use the generic formula on a regular basis (e.g., you have guilt trips that your baby deserves the best, and the most expensive must be the best), it might be advisable to stock up on some of the generic formula for emergencies, since a supply is only $15 per week. (Our kid will eat anything, but apparently some babies won't eat certain kinds of formula, so have him try it first, I guess.)

We also keep powdered milk on hand, mostly for us to eat (in case of TEOTWAWKI, and when we need a little bit of milk for a recipe and don't feel like driving to the store), so that would be the emergency backup formula, but only for extreme emergencies.

As someone else pointed out, clean water is a must, both for mixing the formula and for bottle washing. We try to keep a few bottles of pre-mixed formula on hand. (The coupons that come from Similac, etc., are handy for buying those). That's set aside for travelling, days when we're too exhausted to mix the powder, and emergencies when the H2O is out.
 

Albuburbia

Membership Revoked
I didn't know it goes funky quickly if the can is opened. I just cracked a can Saturday when DD forgot to pack some. I'll toss it in the freezer.

And I did scold her about not packing any. I'm so ashamed. I thought I trained her better! I told her, "You're fired. Your brother is now second in command." :lol:
 

closet squirrel

Veteran Member
Enfamil and SImalac have web sites that you can sign up for a mailing list where they send you samples and stuff. I signed up myself (to give to my friend) and they sent 2 full size cans of powder (about 2 weeks worth) and checks for $7 that can be used for future purchases of formula. Every 2 or 3 weeks they send more checks, any where from $2 to $10. This is a great idea for anyone with a baby, even if you use a different brand, or breastfeed. It can be kept for an emergency
 

RC

Inactive
closet squirrel said:
Enfamil and SImalac have web sites that you can sign up for a mailing list where they send you samples and stuff. I signed up myself (to give to my friend) and they sent 2 full size cans of powder (about 2 weeks worth) and checks for $7 that can be used for future purchases of formula. Every 2 or 3 weeks they send more checks, any where from $2 to $10. This is a great idea for anyone with a baby, even if you use a different brand, or breastfeed. It can be kept for an emergency

Yes, we get those at home. They send the good coupons and samples up front, to get you hooked on their brand, and then after a few months, they start sending pretty worthless coupons. Little did they suspect that our kid will eat anything, so we use the coupons, and then use the generic formula when we hae to pay. ;)

When you redeem those free coupons, make sure you redeem them at a store that prints out those coupons when you check out. When you redeem your first coupon, the machine spits out a coupon for another free can!

And in an interesting coincidence, the people who live at our PO Box also had a baby, and they are getting coupons too. :lol:

You get one free can of the regular formula and one can of the soy formula when you sign up. They are small cans that only last 3 or 4 days. We can't bring ourselves to give our kid the soy formula, so that's in one of the car survival kits.
 

A.T.Hagan

Inactive
All brands of infant formula are not the same even when comparing like types.

Feeding your infant in an emergency is not the place to be pinching pennies.

If the child is already on the scene then you likely have by now already settled on a formula that agrees with them and you should stick with it. Don't try to change horses in midstream if you are not compelled to do so.

If the child isn't on the scene yet then I would go with one of the lactose-free cows milk based formulas and get a known high-quality brand. This won't guarantee that you won't have feeding problems, but it will eliminate the most common.

That piece above about soy formula is at least partially inaccurate, but at the same time soy is a not uncommon food allergen just like cows milk is. Using soy is not a guarantee against having feeding problems. When planning for a child not yet on the scene the lactose-free cows milk formula covers the mostly likely feeding problems (lactose intolerance) while still leaving you a product that can be purchased at a reasonable price.

Improvised infant formulas are for desperate situations when it's make your own or the child goes hungry. There is no way to replicate the quality of nutrition that good quality commercial infant formula can provide with home made formulas. If you KNOW you've got a child to plan for then do it right rather than make some half-assed prep.

All of this said, the best way to plan is to breast feed the child as nature and God intended. Mama can eat a wide variety of foods that baby cannot and synthesize from them precisely what the baby needs. If you can do that then the infant formula become a 'just in case' emergency prep should something happen to mama's ability to nurse the baby - which happens often enough.

I recommend everyone read the infant formula section of the Prudent Food Storage FAQ if they have infants in their prep planning. I worked with a neonatologist who is a prepper in devising that section then ran it across the midwives that cared for my wife and delivered my first child. It's as good of advice as we could come up with given the nature of our undertaking.

I've also got an article on the website that the World Health Organization developed on breastfeeding in an emergency for the folks who may find it useful to print out and put into their prep binders.

.....Alan.
 

lynnie

Membership Revoked
Baby Formula:


This is from J. Allan South's book " The Sense of Survival" page 271. Two or three feedings.


One third cup plus two teaspoons nonfat milk powder

One and one third cups safe water

One tablespoon vegetable oil

2 teaspoons sugar

Mix. If no bottles available, spoon feed.
 

RC

Inactive
Alan, I have read your site, and it does contain excellent information. But I do have a question as to the following statement:

All brands of infant formula are not the same even when comparing like types.

What difference is there between different brands of the same type? In my experience (having taste tested them myself!), they are not identical, but from the research I have done, I cannot identify anything about any one brand that is "better than" another brand. I do realize that some babies (not ours, fortunately) cannot tolerate one particular brand as well as another one. But I don't see any evidence that the cheaper brands are more likely to be untolerated.

So in our case, since the baby doesn't have any preference, the cheapest brand wins out. Again, I have seen no evidence that price in any way correlates with quality.

Incidentally, in case anyone is curious, here are the results of my personal taste testing of powdered formula:

Wyeth generic (Target/Wal-Mart)--Best tasting.
Nestle--Quite good
Similac--worst tasting
 

RentedMule

Senior Member
RC said:
for a big can that lasts about a week.

Not the way my daughter eats. :eleph:

Thanks for the info everyone.

I remember hearing twinkies have a shelf life of about 30 years. As a last resort i'll keep a case in the house.
 

A.T.Hagan

Inactive
<i>I do realize that some babies (not ours, fortunately) cannot tolerate one particular brand as well as another one. But I don't see any evidence that the cheaper brands are more likely to be untolerated.</i>

You answered your question right there. It's the performance of the baby on a specific brand and type of formula that tells the story.

I tasted all of the different brands we tried with my daughter and they all tasted bad to me. My daughter seemed to prefer Enfamil more than any others so that's what we went with, but I based my recommendations on which formula to choose <i>in the absence of the baby who will be consuming it</i> on what four midwives and the neonatologist told me. Out of a given population of babies they said that more of them would have less problems with Enfamil or Similac than with Nestle's brand.

If the baby is already on hand there's nothing like trying a formula first before stocking up on it. Real world performance with the child that will be consuming rules the day. But if you've just got to stock up on formula for a child that's not yet on the scene or are backstopping a child that's exclusively breastfed I'd go with the name brand lactose-free. It won't guarantee that there won't be feeding problems, it just lessens the probability.

.....Alan.
 

RC

Inactive
RentedMule said:
Not the way my daughter eats. :eleph:

Um, I doubt if your daughter eats more than my son! The $15 Wal-Mart cans are BIG. (They're about the same size as a 2-pound coffee can.) I haven't tracked him exactly, but he seems to go through a can in about 6 days.

So far, the pattern is that our son triples in size every 6 months. So we figure that at 12 months, he'll be over 60 pounds, 18 months, over 180 pounds, etc. :spns:

Also, thanks for the info Alan. If anyone hasn't looked at his site (which includes information about food for big kids like me, as well as babies), you will find a lot of excellent information there.
 

EdPPCLI

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I am probably opening up a big can of worms but I personally will not let my babies have ANY formula. The problem of allergic reactions is common to all types of infant formula and no single type or brand can guarantee to not cause one in every single case. The really scary problem is bacterial contamination, either during preparation at home or at the factory where it is manufactured. A newborn/infant has little or no built in immunities and even a few cells of something as innocuous as E.coli can lead to severe sickness. Please breast feed your babies, its what they are designed to eat, plus it builds up those missing immunities.
Ed
 

housemouse

Membership Revoked
EdPPCLI said:
I am probably opening up a big can of worms but I personally will not let my babies have ANY formula. The problem of allergic reactions is common to all types of infant formula and no single type or brand can guarantee to not cause one in every single case. The really scary problem is bacterial contamination, either during preparation at home or at the factory where it is manufactured. A newborn/infant has little or no built in immunities and even a few cells of something as innocuous as E.coli can lead to severe sickness. Please breast feed your babies, its what they are designed to eat, plus it builds up those missing immunities.
Ed

I am with you 100% EdPPCLI. No cans got opened with me. Any mother who is seriously concerned about being prepared for anything WILL put all her heart and soul into properly preparing herself for the breastfeeding stage of her baby's life.

Her loving husband will take constant care to make sure she is getting plenty of rest, has plenty of good food on hand, and getting plenty of good massages to keep her relaxed and feeling loved. She will be protected from undue stress, and will enjoy as duty-free a life as possible for the first 3 or 4 months of the nursing period.

Even if no local or national emergency occurs, (including power failures, hurricanes, blizzards, or floods) she will have plenty of milk, always sterile, alwyas the right temperature, and perfectly suited to her baby's nutritional needs. Did I mention that it is cheap, too?

The problems most young mothers have with breastfeeding is that they try to do too much in the early months, becoming too tense and tired to get a good "let-down" reflex established. This is the reason for taking a few months off from cooking a lot, cleaning a lot, and trying to keep up with the laundry. Spending the money that would have been used on formula to get a teenager to come in and help in the afternoon for these few weeks is a more sensible use of the money.

Once the newborn has gotten through the 6 week "growth spurt, and then the next one around 3 months, (these are two or three day periods when babies seem to need very frequent nursing to build up the mother's milk supply to the next "level", and it is a time when the mother may need a bit more rest than usual so nature can take it's course) the milk supply is very well established.

No bottles in the house, and no formula in the house makes breastfeeding go much more smoothly, in my opinion. Granmas and happy Dads can do other things, such as change the diapers, bring Mom a fresh glass of water, put on some soothing music, and enjoy the beauty of mother and baby continuing the close bond they have shared for the first nine months.

Of course, no mother who is unwilling to breastfeed, or who has family members vehemtly opposed to it, should feel obligated to do so. A resentful and unhappy mother is not a good mother, and it is far better for a bottle to be given with love and joy, than a breast offered out of a sense of "duty".
 

RC

Inactive
The original poster asked a question, and some of us did our best to answer it. We didn't see fit to interrogate him as to why his wife isn't breast feeding. In many cases, there are very good reasons why it is impossible or inadvisible. And it's not any of my d*** business as to what her reasons are. So I, and a number of other posters, tried to answer his question to the best of our ability.
 

A.T.Hagan

Inactive
To expand on what RC said, some 5% of new mothers simply <i>cannot</i> breast feed their babies for physical reasons.

Additionally, stress quite often interferes with a woman's ability to produce milk, let it down, or even comfortably breast feed.

There are a myriad reasons - physical, emotional, or psychological - why a woman may not be able to breast feed her baby and it's foolish not to have a backup in an emergency otherwise you end up having to use a third rate half-assed solution like having to make your own infant formula from dry milk and cooking oil. OK for a few days, but big trouble in the long run.

Speaking of breast feeding here's a document that some of y'all may find useful:

<a href="http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FY004">Emotional and Physical Preparation for Breast Feeding</a>

.....Alan.
 

FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'd like to jump in here to thank all those on this thread who gave so much time and care to try to help out a fellow parent/poster. Knowing about formulas (and alternatives for emergencies) can only help---If/when TSHTF and you encounter someone with a hungry baby, what are you going to tell them? "You should have been breast-feeding"? What if the mother loses her milk, or dies? This isn't the old days when there was another likely nursing mom around to help out---I know whole communities of women where no one breastfeeds. The more ways we all know of helping hungry little ones to survive, the better.

Just my two cents---FREEBIRD, who nursed all her babies
 
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