CUCK Pope Francis declared that “sins of the flesh” are not as serious as spiritual sins like pride or hatred

[Laurelayn]

WTF is up with this dopey pope? Now sin can be categorized as lesser and greater? and the ones in the realm of thought are worse than, say, molesting women or children?
Pope Francis: 'Sins of the Flesh' Not the Most Serious

Pope Francis declared that “sins of the flesh” are not as serious as spiritual sins like pride or hatred, arguing that the latter have far greater consequences.
Speaking with journalists on his flight between Greece and Cyprus on Monday, the Holy Father addressed the recent resignation of Paris Archbishop Michel Aupetit after the French magazine Le Point alleged he had an intimate, consensual relationship with a secretary.
“I poorly handled the situation with a person who was in contact many times with me,” Aupetit said upon his resignation.
While Pope Francis acknowledged that the archbishop had failed “against the sixth commandment” (adultery), he believed the offense was not absolute, since the prelate was accused of “small caresses” and massages.
“It was a failing against the sixth commandment (You shall not commit adultery) but not a total one, one of small caresses, massage given to his secretary – that is what the accusation is,” Francis said. “There is a sin there but not the worst kind.”
“He (the bishop) was condemned but by whom? By public opinion, by gossip .. he could no longer govern,” Francis added. “I accepted the resignation of Aupetit not on the altar of truth, but on the altar of hypocrisy.”
Aupetit maintains that he did not violate his vow of celibacy.
Italian journalist Luigi Accattoli told The Times said that the pope’s comments show that “things have changed in the last 60 years.”

Sexual sins were once considered very serious in the Catholic church and priests would warn against non-married kissing and even tell parents not to let their children go out dancing, but things have changed in the last 60 years. Francis is the first pope to come out and say what has been clear to his predecessors since Pope Paul VI. They didn’t say so for fear of scandal and traditionalists may attack Francis now, but he is not afraid to say what he thinks.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines chastity as the liberation of self-control so that people would not be controlled by their passions.
“Chastity includes an apprenticeship in self-mastery which is a training in human freedom,” it says. “The alternative is clear: either man governs his passions and finds peace, or he lets himself be dominated by them and becomes unhappy.”

 

[wvstuck]

Just one of the reasons I refuse to participate in organized religion. I am not religious instead I am a saved child of God. I will not join or attend a church and follow rules that aren't in the book, I will not submit to man, only the Lord himself. The Pope is an abomination, a man trying to play the role of God.

 

[Raggedyman]

the BLACK POPE - a Jesuit since 1960

 

[Henry Bowman]

I thought he was about to assume room temperature?

 

[Raggedyman]

Just one of the reasons I refuse to participate in organized religion. I am not religious instead I am a saved child of God. I will not join or attend a church and follow rules that aren't in the book, I will not submit to man on the Lord himself. The Pope is an abomination, a man trying to play the role of God.

one of my very favorite sayings is "have an open mind but not so open as to let your brain fall out" the very next is "rigidity of thought is a profoundly debilitating weakness" after all . . . we're told to "study to show ourselves approved."

most dogma is man made and not GOD given . . . MOST of it doesn't even affect your salvation - yet we'll fight over it and destroy the peace were intended to have . . . seems like the enemy's perfect plan to me

 

[Illini Warrior]

when he stuck his pointed hat into the 2016 US Elections against Trump and decided the DNC platform of queers, adultery and abortion fit him fine >>> he should have been taken down - the US Catholic churches declaring him unfit and unable to follow his rule ....

 

[Vegas321]

Got news for you, False prophet. Your not God...

 

[Old Gray Mare]

Got news for you, False profit. Your not God...

Technically I don't even know if he really is the Pope. The prior Pope "retired". Popes don't retire. They hold the position for life. There has been no reports the "retired" Pope has died.

 

[Blacknarwhal]

An issue a lot of people have had a problem with.

All sin is sin. Whether it's telling your wife those pants don't really make her look fat--which is a lie--or killing your way through a bus full of children. In the eyes of God all sin is sin. That's why we needed a Redeemer in the first place.

There is also a fairly large number of sins that qualify as "abominations." Homosexuality kicked off the list, but apparently the abomination list got as far as women wearing pants and collecting interest income.

Also remember there is one sin that God actually will not forgive, though this sin is so difficult to commit that the closest most get to it is explaining what it is to people who also don't understand what the Bible is even talking about: blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

So no, the whole concept of "mortal" and "venial" sin is basically meaningless. There really aren't sins that are "more serious" and "less serious" because it's all sin. One is too many, and most of us have thousands at a minimum.

 

[SouthernBreeze]

I'm way passed the point of caring what this pope has to say regarding anything. Just another minion spawn of Satan.

 

[sssarawolf]

I guess he doesn't believe what the Savior taught. That right there is a sign.

 

[dstraito]

 

[Ogre]

I suppose he could always say "It depends on what your definition of is sin is."
Any sin actually breaks both of the first two Commandments.

 

[SlipperySlope]

He is just another part of this world where there is no longer any right or wrong. No wonder society is the way it is with the lack of guidance even among the clergy. This is from all branches of faith. Religions can be wonderful in theory but once you have humans involved they corrupt it.

 

[Squib]

An issue a lot of people have had a problem with.

All sin is sin. Whether it's telling your wife those pants don't really make her look fat--which is a lie--or killing your way through a bus full of children. In the eyes of God all sin is sin. That's why we needed a Redeemer in the first place.

There is also a fairly large number of sins that qualify as "abominations." Homosexuality kicked off the list, but apparently the abomination list got as far as women wearing pants and collecting interest income.

Also remember there is one sin that God actually will not forgive, though this sin is so difficult to commit that the closest most get to it is explaining what it is to people who also don't understand what the Bible is even talking about: blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

So no, the whole concept of "mortal" and "venial" sin is basically meaningless. There really aren't sins that are "more serious" and "less serious" because it's all sin. One is too many, and most of us have thousands at a minimum.

Well, yes, and no…

Yes, all sin is sin..breaking God’s holy law…but there are different laws and breaking some were and still are more grave than others…

In the OT, some sin required a lesser offering, others required restitution, and still others required banishment, and still others required the death penalty.

Even in the NT our Lord says as much, remember He said that “it will be worse for you (Speaking to two cities that ejected Him) on the day of judgment than Sodom & Gomorrah?”

He also said to harm a child, that was so bad that you’d better to be killed outright by having a mill stone tied around your neck and be thrown into the sea.

So if we are all rewarded according to our deeds, and judged according to other deeds, then there are greater and lesser penalties…

 

[Blacknarwhal]

Well, yes, and no…

Yes, all sin is sin..breaking God’s holy law…but there are different laws and breaking some were and still are more grave than others…

In the OT, some sin required a lesser offering, others required restitution, and still others required banishment, and still others required the death penalty.

Even in the NT our Lord says as much, remember He said that “it will be worse for you (Speaking to two cities that ejected Him) on the day of judgment than Sodom & Gomorrah?”

He also said to harm a child, that was so bad that you’d better to be killed outright by having a mill stone tied around your neck and be thrown into the sea.

So if we are all rewarded according to our deeds, and judged according to other deeds, then there are greater and lesser penalties…

You can make a case that abominations are worse sins as well, but it's almost academic.

The wages of sin are death. Not the wages of "worse" sin or "lesser" sin, but sin. The punishment for all sin is ultimately the same, separation from God. I don't know how that factors in to parables like the servant beat with fewer stripes, but some have used this concept to suggest that even hell has degrees.

Personally, I've often wondered about Paradise. Remember, that place was never destroyed. It's still there. It's just hell's non-smoking section.

 

[Squib]

You can make a case that abominations are worse sins as well, but it's almost academic.

The wages of sin are death. Not the wages of "worse" sin or "lesser" sin, but sin. The punishment for all sin is ultimately the same, separation from God. I don't know how that factors in to parables like the servant beat with fewer stripes, but some have used this concept to suggest that even hell has degrees.

Personally, I've often wondered about Paradise. Remember, that place was never destroyed. It's still there. It's just hell's non-smoking section.

Yeah, I really don’t know either…someone once said that “outer darkness” was the suburbs of hell! (Sarc)

 

[Terrwyn]

So it's OK to diddle your neighbor as long as you don't hate her?

 

[Greenspode]

He is simply a participant in the world wide change of narrative.

Pornography is now acceptable in elementary schools - we no longer need to protect young children from that exposure. Children can handle sexuality from a young age.

Pedophilia is a "sexual orientation" now, and needs to be "de-stigmatized". People who engage in sex with children are not "bad" people, just different.

Children are allowed to make choices like which gender they want to be, and whether they want to resort to actual physiological alterations to support their choice. Children can make sexual choices, and "consent" to sexual things.

Etc., etc., etc.

They (the church, the government, entertainment, academia, etc.) have a big problem, and that is the pedophilia that runs rampant throughout all of these institutions. They know they are going to be exposed and they are trying to get out ahead of it. By changing the narrative, and trying to desensitize the population to such concepts, they are setting up their defense. When one looks at the whole picture, their agenda is obvious.

 

[Demodave]

The pope needs to read the bible. He obviously missed a few key parts

 

[OldArcher]

WTF is up with this dopey pope? Now sin can be categorized as lesser and greater? and the ones in the realm of thought are worse than, say, molesting women or children?
Pope Francis: 'Sins of the Flesh' Not the Most Serious

Pope Francis declared that “sins of the flesh” are not as serious as spiritual sins like pride or hatred, arguing that the latter have far greater consequences.
Speaking with journalists on his flight between Greece and Cyprus on Monday, the Holy Father addressed the recent resignation of Paris Archbishop Michel Aupetit after the French magazine Le Point alleged he had an intimate, consensual relationship with a secretary.
“I poorly handled the situation with a person who was in contact many times with me,” Aupetit said upon his resignation.
While Pope Francis acknowledged that the archbishop had failed “against the sixth commandment” (adultery), he believed the offense was not absolute, since the prelate was accused of “small caresses” and massages.
“It was a failing against the sixth commandment (You shall not commit adultery) but not a total one, one of small caresses, massage given to his secretary – that is what the accusation is,” Francis said. “There is a sin there but not the worst kind.”
“He (the bishop) was condemned but by whom? By public opinion, by gossip .. he could no longer govern,” Francis added. “I accepted the resignation of Aupetit not on the altar of truth, but on the altar of hypocrisy.”
Aupetit maintains that he did not violate his vow of celibacy.
Italian journalist Luigi Accattoli told The Times said that the pope’s comments show that “things have changed in the last 60 years.”

The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines chastity as the liberation of self-control so that people would not be controlled by their passions.
“Chastity includes an apprenticeship in self-mastery which is a training in human freedom,” it says. “The alternative is clear: either man governs his passions and finds peace, or he lets himself be dominated by them and becomes unhappy.”

Congratulations to the Situational Ethics, Corrupt, Roman Catholic Church. All bets are off now- depravity, debauchery, and every expression devoid of ethics, morals, and conscience. Now Man has “permission” from “on high,” to be the same, or worse, than the most diseased of animals. To the perverted, “all weapons are HOT!” Now, NOBODY IS SAFE! I wonder if Jesus would claim THAT church…

OA

 

[Cardinal]

You can make a case that abominations are worse sins as well, but it's almost academic.

The wages of sin are death. Not the wages of "worse" sin or "lesser" sin, but sin. The punishment for all sin is ultimately the same, separation from God. I don't know how that factors in to parables like the servant beat with fewer stripes, but some have used this concept to suggest that even hell has degrees.

Personally, I've often wondered about Paradise. Remember, that place was never destroyed. It's still there. It's just hell's non-smoking section.

Even Jesus said that there are sins that can be forgiven in the afterlife, and some that cannot be. So, there are categories.
And yes, since God is infinite, every single sin offends God infinitely.
What I found interesting is that "massages" break the 6th commandment....
yet on a different thread when I suggested that giving a back massage as payment for a service was akin to prostitution (this was before the OP made the situation clear) I was taken to task for it.

 

[Blacknarwhal]

Yeah, I really don’t know either…someone once said that “outer darkness” was the suburbs of hell! (Sarc)

I once heard the "outer darkness" was part of heaven. But apparently not a very good part. Someone tried to make the allusion using the design of the temple for proof.

 

[To-late]

The pope said this, the pope said that, I don’t care.
it’s that old, if you can’t say anything nice thingy.
I’m sorry folks to those that are catholic.
He can pound sand as far as I’m concerned.
I think religions controlled by a central figure that direct people to do this or that to get into a heaven ‘whatever they think the heaven is’, are all corrupted by the man at the head of the religion.
power corrupts.

 

[Blacknarwhal]

I once heard the "outer darkness" was part of heaven. But apparently not a very good part. Someone tried to make the allusion using the design of the temple for proof.

Though you'd have to think that any part of heaven has to be better than even the best hell can offer.

 

[Trouble]

Just made it open season on choir boys, way to go.

 

[OldArcher]

Just made it open season on choir boys, way to go.

The Roman Catholic Pedo Church has ALWAYS had open season on choir boys & girls. How many hundreds of years has this been going on? How many millions have been violated and defiled? And they call Popes, “His Holiness?” What a tragic, horrible, joke. If Jesus founded that church, He’s got a lot of ‘sprlain’ ta do…

OA

 

[Babs]

There are sins in the bible that are punishable by death. I don't see pride on that list, but I do see adultery on that list.

 

[SSTemplar]

Don’t listen to man. It seems that Jesus was interested in righteousness and piety.

 

[rmomaha]

To our God. Sin is Sin. We are all sinners. Saved only by the blood of Jesus if we accept Him as our Savior.

 

[anna43]

Since God cannot look upon sin, ALL SIN IS EQUALLY BAD to God.

 

[SouthernBreeze]

To our God. Sin is Sin. We are all sinners. Saved only by the blood of Jesus if we accept Him as our Savior.

I totally agree, but that doesn't give any of us an excuse to continue in willful sin as some believe.

 

[WildDaisy]

I musta skipped the chapters that talked about "levels" of sin, and focused too much on the ones that said if you break one, you've broken them all. Wonder what bible he is reading that has all this "new and interesting" stuff in it, because it isn't in mine.

I had to have a talk with Mom last night when she told me to "pray the rosary". My bible tells me that God says "There is no intercessor between God and Man but Christ" - Not Mary, not Joseph, not any saints and not a priest - NO ONE, but Christ. No, she's not "gonna put a good word in for you". She's smacking her forehead saying "You don't need me - have a direct conversation with YOUR FATHER yourself! - you don't need Mary to pass messages to him on your behalf"

 

[SouthernBreeze]

Double post....Delete.

 

[Dozdoats]

Doesn't seem to bother him too much.

 

[eens]

Lots of hate here for Christ's Church. And misinformation. Frank is not the pope. He's a usurper. He's a heretic. He's as close to the antichrist w/o actually being the antichrist as anyone can be. I will not defend him but I will defend the Church and Her teachings.

Of course the devil would attack the True Church and that's exactly what he is doing. In the 1930's the communists infiltrated the Church, research Bella Dodd and her complicity in infiltrating the seminaries with communists. This helps understand the current problems we are going through. The Church has always been attacked by evil.

Considering this fact how can the endurance of the Catholic Church for nearly 2000 years be understood except by the words of Christ,
"And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." [Matthew 16:18]

But back to what Frank has to say (who really cares?) about sins of the flesh. Since he isn't Catholic he doesn't believe what Our Lady of Fatima said regarding sins of the flesh.

Our Lady of Fatima July 13 Apparition – A Warning!

The Fatima apparition on 13 July in 1917 is a warning to us all on the reality of Hell and that there are real people in Hell. The Blessed Mother asked to pray for poor sinners for these sinners as…

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"Prior to Jacinta’s entry into the Beatific Vision (death), the Blessed Mother appeared to the ailing child between December 1919 and February 1920 and stated clearly the sin that places our souls in mortal (death) danger of this frightful reality.

The following is recorded:

Our Lady of Fatima told Jacinta many things including:

“The sins of the world are very great … If men only knew what eternity is, they would do everything in their power to change their lives. “

“Fly from riches and luxury; love poverty and silence; have charity, even for bad people. “

“More souls go to Hell because of sins of the flesh than for any other reason.”

“Certain fashions will be introduced that will offend Our Lord very much.”

What is our remedy?

Whilst we can still breath and wake up each morning, we should seize the opportunity to examine our conscience (here I include a link to assist courtesy of the Fatima Centre.http://www.fatima.org/, Examination of Conscience) speak to a Priest, and make a good Confession."

"All sin is sin. Whether it's telling your wife those pants don't really make her look fat--which is a lie--or killing your way through a bus full of children. In the eyes of God all sin is sin. That's why we needed a Redeemer in the first place."

Does ANYONE actually believe that this lie deserves the same punishment as killing a busload of children? Really?

A lie about your wife's body shape would be a 'venial sin', killing a busload of children would be a mortal sin deserving of hell for eternity if not forgiven in a sincere confession. This is why in God's all merciful justice He created purgatory. For research on purgatory: CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Purgatory

The teachings of the Catholic Church are so deep and beautiful that St Thomas Aquinas wrote philosophical books about them yet a 7 year old child can be taught the basics and understand them.

Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus

 

[energy_wave]

Just made it open season on choir boys, way to go.

Choir boy = small penis = small flesh = small sin.

 

[Squib]

I musta skipped the chapters that talked about "levels" of sin, and focused too much on the ones that said if you break one, you've broken them all. Wonder what bible he is reading that has all this "new and interesting" stuff in it, because it isn't in mine.

See my post above…the chapters are all over…Old & New Testament. Sure, all sin is sin, but that’s like saying all crime is crime. After all, “sin is lawlessness.”

That’s why for some, the punishment will be greater…again, look at sin like an offense or crime against the king…well, it is, actually, some can be forgiven, one cannot, some bring death, many do not. In the OT, some you were stoned for, some not.

We can’t quote Scripture here, but search for the Lord says there’s 6 things He hates, and 7 are an abomination.