[pol] Duby looks more and more like political toast.

Troke

On TB every waking moment
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...0712/ap_on_el_pr/bush_conservatives&printer=1

Some Key Conservatives Uneasy About Bush

Mon Jul 12, 1:13 AM ET

By SCOTT LINDLAW, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - When an influential group of conservatives gathers in downtown Washington each week, they often get a political pep talk from a senior Bush administration official or campaign aide. They don't expect a fellow Republican to deliver a blistering critique of President Bush (news - web sites)'s handling of the Iraq (news - web sites) war.



But nearly 150 conservatives listened in silence recently as a veteran of the Nixon, Ford and Reagan administrations ticked off a litany of missteps in Iraq by the Bush White House.


"This war is not going well," said Stefan Halper, a deputy assistant secretary of state under President Reagan.


"It's costing us a lot of money, isolating us from our allies and friends," said Halper, who gave $1,000 to George W. Bush's campaign and more than $83,000 to other GOP causes in 2000. "This is not the cakewalk the neoconservatives predicted. We were not greeted with flowers in the streets."


Conservatives, the backbone of Bush's political base, are increasingly uneasy about the Iraq conflict and the steady drumbeat of violence in postwar Iraq, Halper and some of his fellow Republicans say. The conservatives' anxiety was fueled by the Abu Ghraib prisoner-abuse scandal and has not abated with the transfer of political power to the interim Iraqi government.


Some Republicans fear angry conservatives will stay home in November, undercutting Bush's re-election bid.


"I don't think there's any question that there is growing restiveness in the Republican base about this war," said Halper, the co-author of a new book, "America Alone: The Neoconservatives and the Global Order."


Some Republicans dismiss the rift as little more than an inside-the-Beltway spat among rival factions of the GOP intelligentsia. Indeed, conservatives nationwide are still firmly behind Bush. A Pew Research Center poll last month found that 97 percent of conservative Republicans favored Bush over Kerry.


But anger is simmering among some conservatives.


"I am bitterly disappointed in his actions with this war. It is a total travesty," said Tom Hutchinson, 69, a self-described conservative from Sturgeon, Mo., who posted yard signs and staffed campaign phone banks for the Republican in 2000. Hutchinson said he did not believe the administration's stated rationales for the war, in particular the argument that Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) had weapons of mass destruction.


Hutchinson, a retired businessman and former college professor, said his unease with Iraq may lead him to do something he has not done since 1956: avoid the voting booth in a presidential election.


Jack Walters, 59, a self-described "classical conservative" from Columbia, Mo., said he hadn't decided which candidate to vote for.


"Having been through Vietnam, I thought no, never again," Walters said. "But here comes the same thing again, and I'm old enough to recognize the lame reasons given for going into Iraq, and they made me ill."


The tension has been building in official Washington, where conservative members of the Senate Armed Services and Foreign Relations committees have pressed the administration for answers on combat operations; disagreed with the Pentagon (news - web sites) on troop levels; and expressed frustration with an administration they feel has shown them disdain by withholding information.


Chief political adviser Karl Rove's formula for re-election is primarily to push Bush's conservative base to the polls.


Another administration official involved in Bush's re-election effort has voiced concern that angry conservatives will sit out the election.


But Matthew Dowd, the Bush-Cheney campaign's chief strategist, described the fear of losing conservative support as "just ludicrous."


Bush is "as strong among conservative Republicans as any Republican president has been" — higher than President Reagan's approval among conservatives during his re-election campaign of 1984, Dowd said.

Yet, Halper said his critical review on the administration's performance on Iraq last week was met with expressions of support in the conservatives' weekly meeting, which is closed to journalists.

The marquee speaker sent by the administration was Eric Ciliberti, who spent several weeks in Iraq this year and told the audience of broad progress being made there.

Ciliberti complained to the group that those in the news media were not reporting the positive developments out of Iraq. Ciliberti did not return several calls late in the past week from a reporter seeking his account.
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As I have noted in a couple of reports, I have been struck by the number of people in my age bracket who give the definite impression they are not going to vote in November. I have been running into them starting in early April and as late as this last week. They are puzzled and confused because nothing makes any sense to them anymore and so far, Kerry has provided no answers. I have no idea who they voted for last time but I think it bodes ill for Dubya.
 

Donner9x

Thread Killer :-)
While I do have problems with GW - and this is one of them:
Texas Cop Exposes Truth About Border Security :mad: , there are 3 reasons why I will vote for him in November:

1. War on Terror
2. War on Terror
3. War on Terror

The last thing we need in the White House is a President who will not do everything possible to win this war.

We need someone who will:
1. Kick some jihadi ass (and this means all who remotely support them).
2. Will not feel the necessity to kiss U.N. ass


Ask Ed Koch, Zel Miller, Dick Morris (all Democrats), to name just a few, who they are voting for and why.

And no vote is a vote for Kerry. Make no mistake about it.

It really is that simple...
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:usfl:
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Unfortunately, Shrub is more interested in strip-mining the American economy for his friends than in fighting a war on terror. To him, the WOT is a way to shuffle large amounts of money around, and any time large amounts of money are moving, it's easy to funnel it towards his contributors.

If we were interested in the WOT, we would not have invaded Iraq, which had a nasty regime but was not supporting AQ or other terrorists. We WOULD have gone after Saudi Arabia (not by invasion) for supporting terrorists including all the 9/11 hijackers.

Kerry doesn't thrill me, and I don't know how he'll handle the WOT. But we can't afford any more of Shrub and his wannabe-hero posturings, unqualified to run a burger joint, much less the country.

bw
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Donner, if Bush WERE doing "everything possible to win this WAR", I might vote for him. But ANY PREZ that fails to CLOSE THE BORDER WITH MEXICO is making a travesty of the "war on terror."

CLOSE THE DAMN BORDER - THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT RE-ELECTION.

Until then, Bush is NO BETTER than Kerry. In ANY way.

:kk1: :kk1: :kk1: :kk1: :kk1:
 

greg

Inactive
The Drudge Report notes this exchange from Larry King's interview with John Kerry last night:

King: Tom Ridge warned today about al Qaeda plans of a large-scale attack on the United States, didn't increase the--do you see any politics in this? What's your reaction?

Kerry: Well, I haven't been briefed yet, Larry. They have offered to brief me; I just haven't had time.

That says it all !
 

Donner9x

Thread Killer :-)
bw said:
Unfortunately, Shrub is more interested in strip-mining the American economy for his friends than in fighting a war on terror.
:rolleyes: Yeah, blah blah blah. High hyperbole content, low fact content...

which had a nasty regime but was not supporting AQ or other terrorists.
Opps, wrong again... (or maybe they don't count in your book...)
Saddam Pays Palestinian Terrorists
Saddam Pays 25K for Palestinian Bombers
Saddam stokes war with suicide bomber cash

The absolute last thing this country needs is an extreme liberal leftist, U.N.- loving socialist in the White House. This country is close enough to teetering over the edge and into the abyss of nihilistic socialism as it is...:shk:
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:usfl:
 

Atossa

Membership Revoked
FREEBIRD said:
Won't much matter if the elections are "delayed".

If there is an "October surprise" terrorist attack, how long
might the election be delayed... a few months ??

March 2005 is 42 months from 9-11 :shkr:
 

Donner9x

Thread Killer :-)
Dennis Olson said:
CLOSE THE BORDER WITH MEXICO is making a travesty of the "war on terror." CLOSE THE DAMN BORDER - THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT RE-ELECTION.
Dennis, I agree, with the only exception being re-election. I am frustrated as hell about the seeming lack of attention the border situation is getting from this administration (among other things). But I also fear that Kerry would be worse. Not just regarding the border issue, but in many other ways.

But in regards to the border issue, for example, if Kerry will not do more than Bush, then what good is he?

I am afraid that, aside from that issue, Kerry will soften our stance on the terror war (I believe that in time he will revert to the "Clinton" model of treating terrorism as a criminal situation) and not address it as a war, as it truely is. People complain that we have "stirred up" terrorism by our stance, but I fear that reverting to this weakened "terrorists as criminals" stance would re-embolden the terrorists.

And Kerry's proven voting record in the Senate is one of the most liberal.

I am afraid that rejecting Bush because of some issues that are troubling would be akin to "throwing the baby out with the bath water" so to speak, when it comes to the war on terror.
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:usfl:
 

linttrap

Contributing Member
"Won't much matter if the elections are "delayed"."

Yeah...delayed...indefinitely...by a "terrorist event"....brought on by Dubya trailing in the polls.

How predictable is that?

Linttrap
 

Vector

Veteran Member
Atossa said:
If there is an "October surprise" terrorist attack, how long
might the election be delayed... a few months ??

March 2005 is 42 months from 9-11 :shkr:


OK, I'll bite. :shr: What is the significance of the "42 month" number?
 

Atossa

Membership Revoked
Vector said:
OK, I'll bite. :shr:

What is the significance of the "42 month" number ?

Revelation 13:3-5


"One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound,
but the fatal wound had been healed.
The whole world was astonished
and followed the beast. Men worshiped the dragon because he had given
authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked,
"Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?"

The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies
and power was given to him to continue forty-two months."


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rockywhy

Deceased
42 months

Atossa said:
If there is an "October surprise" terrorist attack, how long
might the election be delayed... a few months ??

March 2005 is 42 months from 9-11 :shkr:
Actually if you want to look at that then you have to look at his reign. His forty-second month would begin July 21st or their abouts. It would end a month later. what was that about a world war? Attacking Iran and NK at the same time? All these warnings are for what? So with that in mind then the "terror attack" has to take place SOON. This would give "cause" to go to war with the "World". :lol: :shkr: :dvl2:
 

solookup

Membership Revoked
i dont know if bush is toast or not,,,

but even if he wins, the USA is STILL toast if the border isnt closed.
 

Charlie

Membership Revoked
Donner9x said:
While I do have problems with GW - and this is one of them:
Texas Cop Exposes Truth About Border Security :mad: , there are 3 reasons why I will vote for him in November:

1. War on Terror
2. War on Terror
3. War on Terror

The last thing we need in the White House is a President who will not do everything possible to win this war.

We need someone who will:
1. Kick some jihadi ass (and this means all who remotely support them).
2. Will not feel the necessity to kiss U.N. ass


Ask Ed Koch, Zel Miller, Dick Morris (all Democrats), to name just a few, who they are voting for and why.

And no vote is a vote for Kerry. Make no mistake about it.

It really is that simple...
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:usfl:

I will vote for Bush for what is quoted above. I will do it with a clothes pin on my nose, but the thought of Kerry in office with ANY more Dems in either the Senate or House scares the crap out of me. I sure wish we had an alternative and will in 2008 due to term limits. I will wait until then to see who the Repubs or other party puts in line. Except for Ashcroft......I like his cabinet by the way. YES, I like Rummy!
 

TerriHaute

Hoosier Gardener
Some Key Conservatives Uneasy About Bush

They're uneasy about some of the Bush policies, we all are, but I don't think it means Bush is "toast." Conservatives would never vote for Kerry/Edwards nor Ralph Nader and I doubt whether enough would vote Independent, Libertarian, etc. to make much difference. The majority of conservatives will vote for Bush, not as a vote "for" Bush, but as a vote against the alternative.

Terri in Indiana
 

Bearded Weirdo

Inactive
linttrap said:
"Won't much matter if the elections are "delayed"."

Yeah...delayed...indefinitely...by a "terrorist event"....brought on by Dubya trailing in the polls.

How predictable is that?

Linttrap


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: And they wonder where Michael Moore finds his fanbase.
 

Gingergirl

Veteran Member
"Associated Press Writer"

Always known for their inside track on conservative thinking
:lol:

This reporter (who acknowledges he wasn't there) has heavily editorialized this report with extensive quotes and bulk of the article given over to the Halper speech. (Dare we say the reporter did this because of his own blantant liberal bias?) The Halper speech was not slated because Halper was a deputy, assisstant 20 years ago, but rather because of his previous fund raising.

The speech given by Eric Ciliberti, a current particpant in the administration who has been to Iraq is given two lines with Ciliberti painted as a whiner.

Yup, "Fair and Balanced" reporting. Sounds more like Lindlaw is trying to convince conservatives that their vote is useless, so don't bother. Got to love it.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Shrub is posing as a "wartime president" and that's the only freakin thing he's got going for him. So he really has an incentive to crank up the war, even if that requires staging an attack.

I am not saying that he or his handlers would do that, but I'm horrified that a faked attack is not beyond the bounds of belief. It ought to be.

Here's a random thought. If TPTB were to stage a fake attack to disrupt the elections, there are a couple possible outcomes. If the attack is in a democrat-strong area, we could see somber pronouncements that the terrorist cannot be allowed to win, and we will go ahead, and we'll just write off whichever district was hit. If the attack were in a republican-strong area, we might hear pronoucements that the elective process is too sacred to risk losing any votes, and we'll do some kind of substitute election.

Ok, tinfoil off, shields down.

bw
 

rescath

Membership Revoked
Donner9x said:
While I do have problems with GW - and this is one of them:
Texas Cop Exposes Truth About Border Security :mad: , there are 3 reasons why I will vote for him in November:

1. War on Terror
2. War on Terror
3. War on Terror

The last thing we need in the White House is a President who will not do everything possible to win this war.

We need someone who will:
1. Kick some jihadi ass (and this means all who remotely support them).
2. Will not feel the necessity to kiss U.N. ass


Ask Ed Koch, Zel Miller, Dick Morris (all Democrats), to name just a few, who they are voting for and why.

And no vote is a vote for Kerry. Make no mistake about it.

It really is that simple...
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Donner9x: Official member of His Majesty Bush's imperialistic, super-duper secret, right-wing extremist, neo-con, Proud, crusading-Xtian, oil-grabbing, prisoner-"torturing" cabal... :rolleyes:

:usfl:

Been listening to a lot of Clear Channel radio, eh? Those are their talking points. Bush started this fake terror war precisely so that people would vote for him to continue it. It's pretty sad when they've gotten you brainwashed so much that you brag about all the garbage in your signature line.
 

rescath

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Donner9x said:
Dennis, I agree, with the only exception being re-election. I am frustrated as hell about the seeming lack of attention the border situation is getting from this administration (among other things). But I also fear that Kerry would be worse. Not just regarding the border issue, but in many other ways.

"Lack of attention"? What in the heck are you talking about? Bush has gone OUT OF HIS WAY to open the borders up even more !!! This is not inattention -- it's an obvious anti-conservative and anti-American agenda. This guy's about as conservative as Ted Kennedy.
 

rescath

Membership Revoked
This is right on target. Bush has alienated the conservative base. Just anectodally, I -- much to my shame -- voted for BU**SH** during the last election. I won't "get fooled again" according to that "saying in Texas". I'm either voting Constitution Party or not at all. Haven't decided yet.
 

RobinYyes

Deceased
I am part of our Presiden't conservative base. I am not alienated. When you make such broad sweeping statements, I for one find it difficult to take you at all seriously. But I admit that I haven't laughed nearly so hard as the person who tried to say that GW is the Anti-Christ.

People disagree. Thats a part of what our process is all about. But gosh guys, take off those tin hats.

The war against terror was NOT manufactured, and for those who think it was try telling that to the victims on the four flights that were hijacked on September 11th. Try telling that to Danny Pearl's son or widow. Try telling it to anyone who was directly, or indirectly affected by those who would kill us, and destroy our country.

The terrorists want us to convert or die, (whoever our President is) and they are willing to die for their cause. Personally, I'm all for giving them a one-way ticket to see Allah. I'd also get the word out that any one taking American hostages or killing Americans will be hunted down and exterminated. We are at war – (and might I remind you, not a war of our choosing, or design) the terrorists understand this. Apart from the very obvious, many Americans seem to be struggling with the idea that our society, as we know it has changed. We cannot go back. We can however go forward. Why is that such a difficult concept for America to grasp?


Where is the outrage? Instead we take it all in stride and chalk it up to another difference between them and us. How is it that we need to understand what 'big, bad America' did to make these murderers act the way they do? (can you say John Kerry?) Sickening.

You might want to check into this. John Kerry is all for and has stated in the last week that he would give citizenship to ALL illegal aliens. (There was quite a bit of time and interview about this on Bill O'reilly's show last week) So if you think GW is bad on the borders, think again. With Kerry there will be NO borders. With Kerry there will be NO troops, unless they are wearing blue UN hats. With Kerry we will be kissing France's collective bums. Personally, I could give a rats' behind about what France thinks of us, but Kerry is more concerned about gaining the respect of socialist nations, rather than bolstering America's safety and assets.

The truth, unfortunately, is that these days, more than ever, it is dangerous to be an American, or an Israeli, a Christian or a Jew; Abroad or at home, in the United States or the Jewish State. And it is dangerous to tell the truth.


The dangerous truth is that there are tens of millions of people, maybe hundreds of millions that celebrate and bless the deaths of Americans, Israelis, Christians and Jews. They believe that killing the "infidels" - even the People of the Book to which they pay lip service - is a holy mission, a jihad that demands more and more innocent blood. And there are many, many of these murderers out seeking more blood.


The civilized world, whether it likes it or not, is at war against these barbarians, who will stop at nothing to impose their fanatical beliefs on us in any way they can, at any cost.
 

Hoosier Daddy

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RobinYyes said:
I am part of our Presiden't conservative base. I am not alienated. When you make such broad sweeping statements, I for one find it difficult to take you at all seriously. But I admit that I haven't laughed nearly so hard as the person who tried to say that GW is the Anti-Christ.

People disagree. Thats a part of what our process is all about. But gosh guys, take off those tin hats.

The war against terror was NOT manufactured, and for those who think it was try telling that to the victims on the four flights that were hijacked on September 11th. Try telling that to Danny Pearl's son or widow. Try telling it to anyone who was directly, or indirectly affected by those who would kill us, and destroy our country.

The terrorists want us to convert or die, (whoever our President is) and they are willing to die for their cause. Personally, I'm all for giving them a one-way ticket to see Allah. I'd also get the word out that any one taking American hostages or killing Americans will be hunted down and exterminated. We are at war – (and might I remind you, not a war of our choosing, or design) the terrorists understand this. Apart from the very obvious, many Americans seem to be struggling with the idea that our society, as we know it has changed. We cannot go back. We can however go forward. Why is that such a difficult concept for America to grasp?


Where is the outrage? Instead we take it all in stride and chalk it up to another difference between them and us. How is it that we need to understand what 'big, bad America' did to make these murderers act the way they do? (can you say John Kerry?) Sickening.

You might want to check into this. John Kerry is all for and has stated in the last week that he would give citizenship to ALL illegal aliens. (There was quite a bit of time and interview about this on Bill O'reilly's show last week) So if you think GW is bad on the borders, think again. With Kerry there will be NO borders. With Kerry there will be NO troops, unless they are wearing blue UN hats. With Kerry we will be kissing France's collective bums. Personally, I could give a rats' behind about what France thinks of us, but Kerry is more concerned about gaining the respect of socialist nations, rather than bolstering America's safety and assets.

The truth, unfortunately, is that these days, more than ever, it is dangerous to be an American, or an Israeli, a Christian or a Jew; Abroad or at home, in the United States or the Jewish State. And it is dangerous to tell the truth.


The dangerous truth is that there are tens of millions of people, maybe hundreds of millions that celebrate and bless the deaths of Americans, Israelis, Christians and Jews. They believe that killing the "infidels" - even the People of the Book to which they pay lip service - is a holy mission, a jihad that demands more and more innocent blood. And there are many, many of these murderers out seeking more blood.


The civilized world, whether it likes it or not, is at war against these barbarians, who will stop at nothing to impose their fanatical beliefs on us in any way they can, at any cost.


There is too much rhetoric and propaganda here to address point by point, so I'll just ask a question.
Is this a copy of the White House latest talking points memo?

I do like your last sentence though..The civilized world, whether it likes it or not, is at war against these barbarians, who will stop at nothing to impose their fanatical beliefs on us in any way they can, at any cost.

I wonder if the Islamists are thinking the same thing.
 

RobinYyes

Deceased
No hoosier its not a white house memo. Its my words and my thoughts and my views. The fact that my views are not in agreement with your own does not make it propaganda or rhetoric. If you had bothered to read my entire post you would know that the terrorists think this way. :rolleyes:
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I am a conservative. I voted for Bush (even though I'm a democrat). I have voted conservative now for many years. rescath is correct. Bush is about as conservative as Teddy (or Kerry for that matter). I cannot support either man, and WILL NOT. As an American, it is MY RIGHT to vote for whom I please. And it does NOT please me to vote for any of the "main party" :kk1: candidates this time around.
 

Hoosier Daddy

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I have read your post Robin
Actually more than once to get a full understanding of your message.
What I perceive is that you, like many others are simply in denial, the first stage of grief.

I too, am a republican who voted for Bush in '00
However, his policies and actions have have brought worldwide hatred to this country, to the point where it is unsafe for americans to virtually travel anywhere..

I agree about the islamic terrorists philosophy, but what made them that way?
While they may have always hated us, they kept it to themselves.
Our blaming them for 9/11 and using the flimsiest of excuses to invade Iraq has opened a Pandora's box of hatred to the point that now, they are intent on destroying us.

If you recall..The Koran looks upon Jesus as a Prophet
Can the same be said for the Talmud or Torah?
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
The best we can work and hope for is GRIDLOCK. PUT KERRY IN PRESIDENCY AND GIVE HIM A MAJORITY REPUBLICAN CONGRESS.
 

bigwavedave

Deceased
The majority of conservatives will vote for Bush, not as a vote "for" Bush, but as a vote against the alternative.

bout says it. this meeting which began the thread is just a bitty bitch fest. they'll vote for bush again as will 97% of those who think they are conservative. too bad both sides can't have decent candidates but that's the way things have worked out. they steal from each other to meet somewhere in the middle. it keeps the third parties out.

bush started the war in iraq to look more democrat. they always start them.

oh and that oil thing too.
 

RobinYyes

Deceased
I agree about the islamic terrorists philosophy, but what made them that way?
While they may have always hated us, they kept it to themselves.
Our blaming them for 9/11 and using the flimsiest of excuses to invade Iraq has opened a Pandora's box of hatred to the point that now, they are intent on destroying us.


They did not keep it to themselves. Remember the Cole? How about the first attack on the WTC? Perhaps our retalitory strike on OBL training facility will ring a bell? That takes us back more than twenty years and I haven't even addressed how the muslims give you and I the choice of renouncing Jesus as our Savior for the pleasure of becoming their slaves.....That is in their holy book. Yes they call Jesus a prophet and the Torah does not. However I don't see Sharon calling for the destruction of the USA or for the enslavement or murder of Christians either.

Each and everyone of us does have the right to make and vote for our choice at the polls, even I. And if we end up with Kerry, then we'll get what we've deserved since Eve ate that damn apple.
 

mainuh1

Inactive
I agree Dennis. We don't have a "choice" this time around. What good does it do to make war on terror when you can either walk or float into this country? We should not allow ANY immigration while we are fighting terrorism. When will someone in government finally wake up, cut the PC BS and defend this country? :sht:
 

Phil Ca

Inactive
Unless this administration takes the issue of the border with Mexico seriously, I do not believe there is a war on terrorism. By leaving the border wide open and allowing people to trample our deserts and private property with impunity, we are left open to terrorists, fortune seekers, massive infection from various disease and who knows what!

A real administration with concern for the citizens would have shut the border down within hours of the 9/11 disaster. When I am made to feel like a criminal in my own contry by boarding a plane when we have people swarming across the borders it riles me up! I have generally sworn off flying and have only flown twicw sincw 9/11. We went to the East Coast to see our youngest son before he moved to Switzerland.

Voting for Bush by me would only happen if he sunsets the AWB ban and closes the borders. I left government service during the Clintoon years because of the unfriendly atmosphere created within the workplace.

In any case, voting will be a chore this year since it will be like operating a pay toilet: "Dimed if you do amd dimed if you don't"!

:lol:
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Voting for Bush by me would only happen if he sunsets the AWB ban and closes the borders

Well, you got half. The AWB is going. Bush is doing nothing about it.

After it goes expect a spate of news stories of cops being shot down by AW's.
 

Donner9x

Thread Killer :-)
rescath said:
Bush started this fake terror war precisely so that people would vote for him to continue it. It's pretty sad when they've gotten you brainwashed so much that you brag about all the garbage in your signature line.

:rolleyes: I see that you have trouble recognizing sarcasm when you see it... The sig line, now that I need to explain it for the dense, is mocking all the things that the tin-foil-hat and ignorant, paranoid leftie types stereotype Bush with.

As for brainwashing: "started this fake terror war precisely so that people would vote for him..." :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Yeah, that's what he did alright... planned it all along. Quite the genius isn't he? :rolleyes:

Forget the tinfoil hat, I think you need the full-body version:
finalaluminumalien.jpg


You just p*ssed away any credibility you may have had...
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:usfl:
 

Donner9x

Thread Killer :-)
bw said:
...but I'm horrified that a faked attack is not beyond the bounds of belief. It ought to be.

You have heard the psychology term "Projection"? Quick Definition:

"Attributing one's own undesirable traits to other people or agencies, e.g., an aggressive man accuses other people of being hostile."

Yep. You guys got too used to Clinton and his antics, and now you believe that "they all do it."

You, too need the full-body suit:
finalaluminumalien.jpg

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Donner9x: Official member of His Majesty Bush's imperialistic, super-duper secret, right-wing extremist, neo-con, Proud, crusading-Xtian, oil-grabbing, prisoner-"torturing" cabal... ( For the dense: /sarcasm off ) :rolleyes:

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milkydoo

Inactive
Bush's corruption stares us all in the face, and the neocons continue to look the other way. What kind of twisted wisdom are we dealing with here, and where does it come from? As others have said, a war on terror is a joke without sealed borders, but so-called conservatives prefer jokes over real defensive measures.

A vote for Bush is a vote of desperation, not of reason or logic. If Bush is reelected, he will *not* close the borders even then, confirming the fact that he has absolutely ZERO interest in America's safety. Still, mind numbed ditto heads will continue to vote the party line while ranting from their vibrating recliners.

How do the educated masses trust a man who has stolen their Constitution from under their noses? One word: Blindly. Vote for corruption and you forfeit all rights to complain about corruption for as long as you live. Vote for Bush and stick a sock in it while you're at it.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Donner, *I* got it (heh).

milkydoo said:
Still, mind numbed ditto heads will continue to vote the party line while ranting from their vibrating recliners.

Amen, and true of both sides...
 

Donner9x

Thread Killer :-)
milkydoo said:
...confirming the fact that he has absolutely ZERO interest in America's safety.
Of course, you wouldn't call that "overstating" it just a bit, would you?

A vote for Bush is a vote of desperation, not of reason or logic.
And, given your "superior" reason and logic, you are voting for..._______________
because they WILL close the borders and do a better job of protecting this country??? I'll wait while you fill in the blank...

As far as I'm concerned, this issue is being used as a red herring by those who, while railing against Bush for not closing the border, don't have any real alternative, and I would suspect, don't necessarily care about any alternative... the realilty is they just want Bush out, and if the "border/red herring" issue works, then so be it... :mad:

If Bush is reelected, he will *not* close the borders even then
Again, I ask "who is your candidate"? Who meets your other philosophical criteria, and is genuinely electable, and would do a better job on the war on terror while closing the border? Name them!!!

How do the educated masses trust a man who has stolen their Constitution from under their noses?
Oh, PLEASE!!! What a load of hyperbolic crap!!! You sound like Al Gore and Howard Dean on a rant! I guess you've got their talking points memorized as well, hey?

But given this:
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911 Wide Open
Jeff Rense - A different perspective
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It's obvious that I'm wasting my time... :rolleyes:

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Lei

Veteran Member
Too bad

There is only one honest honerable man running for president . It is a sad commentary on the American voter that Nader is not taken seriously.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Nader considers all successful commercial private enterprise to be evil.

So who would take him seriously? All those people who think government is efficient and can do it better than private enterprise.

Allthough, I will concede that under certain circumstances he will allow private enterprise, under strict gov supervision, of course.
 
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