CORONA Pets and the Coronavirus - Quarantine?

Chance

Veteran Member
What may be coming: quarantining our pets.

Check out my comment, #14, as some people are missing the point of this thread. Thanks.

I put this as it's own thread because it would get buried in the main thread on coronavirus. And so many of us here have pets.

Haven't seen this topic come up in the U.S. news...yet.

We know that Wuhan, China was ordering people to 'take care of' their pets - or THEY would cull them. When I first read that, I wondered what did THEY knew that we didn't.

WHO has said they've not seen any dog/cat transfer of coronavirus to people. And the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department (AFCD of Hong Kong) said they had no evidence that pets can be infected with this virus. Both WHO and AFCD have said they have no knowledge of pets being a source of infection for people.

Well, that may be changing.....

This article on 2/29 in Natural News states that "Two dogs in Japan have tested positive for coronavirus, indicating the pandemic has crossed into the canine species now, potentially putting millions of dogs at risk worldwide and bringing a new wave of fear among dog owners." Coronavirus update for Feb 28: Mexico confirms infection, stocks puke, U.S. labs to finally begin testing Americans next week after 3-week CDC delay

And Hong Kong is reporting a "pet dog of a coronavirus patient was placed in quarantine on Wednesday after testing 'weak positive' for the virus...." This is the first known case of the virus in a pet animal. Dog tests 'weak positive' for coronavirus in Hong Kong, first possible infection in pet

They analyzed nasal, oral and rectal samples from the dog and they tested positive. The dog was said to not have any symptoms. They are advising quarantining pets of infected people for 14 days. I.E. handing the pets over to the 'appropriate' authorities.

The AFCD of Hong Kong said "to ensure public and animal health, the department strongly advise mammalian pets of patients confirmed to have been infected with COVID-19 virus to be put under quarantine by the AFCD. The pets will be delivered to the designated animal keeping facilities of the AFCD for quarantine and veterinary surveillance for 14 days. Samples will be collected for testing of COVID-19 virus as appropriate. Repeated tests will be conducted for the animals and they will only be returned when the test result is negative." Detection of low level of COVID-19 virus in pet dog
Detection of low level of COVID-19 virus in pet dog


I love animals - I have a dog - and am very much concerned about this new virus infecting our pets and vice verse, pets being able to infect our families. Lots of people around the world have pets that live with them - dogs, cats, other mammals.

So now I wonder if officials in the U.S. will start looking at infected people's pets - so many people have pets...as this infection spreads and more and more people test positive, this is bound to come up sooner or later. And there are no places set up to quarantine our animals. Hmmmm.

Not liking this at all. I wouldn't want my old dog 'quarantined' somewhere.

Chance
Not catching the articles with the links. ?? They linked OK in the following post.
 
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Chance

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packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
What may be coming: quarantining our pets.

I put this as it's own thread because it would get buried in the main thread on coronavirus. And so many of us here have pets.

Haven't seen this topic come up in the U.S. news...yet.

We know that Wuhan, China was ordering people to 'take care of' their pets - or THEY would cull them. When I first read that, I wondered what did THEY knew that we didn't.

WHO has said they've not seen any dog/cat transfer of coronavirus to people. And the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department (AFCD of Hong Kong) said they had no evidence that pets can be infected with this virus. Both WHO and AFCD have said they have no knowledge of pets being a source of infection for people.

Well, that may be changing.....

This article on 2/29 in Natural News states that "Two dogs in Japan have tested positive for coronavirus, indicating the pandemic has crossed into the canine species now, potentially putting millions of dogs at risk worldwide and bringing a new wave of fear among dog owners." Coronavirus update for Feb 28: Mexico confirms infection, stocks puke, U.S. labs to finally begin testing Americans next week after 3-week CDC delay

And Hong Kong is reporting a "pet dog of a coronavirus patient was placed in quarantine on Wednesday after testing 'weak positive' for the virus...." This is the first known case of the virus in a pet animal. Dog tests 'weak positive' for coronavirus in Hong Kong, first possible infection in pet

They analyzed nasal, oral and rectal samples from the dog and they tested positive. The dog was said to not have any symptoms. They are advising quarantining pets of infected people for 14 days. I.E. handing the pets over to the 'appropriate' authorities.

The AFCD of Hong Kong said "to ensure public and animal health, the department strongly advise mammalian pets of patients confirmed to have been infected with COVID-19 virus to be put under quarantine by the AFCD. The pets will be delivered to the designated animal keeping facilities of the AFCD for quarantine and veterinary surveillance for 14 days. Samples will be collected for testing of COVID-19 virus as appropriate. Repeated tests will be conducted for the animals and they will only be returned when the test result is negative." Detection of low level of COVID-19 virus in pet dog
Detection of low level of COVID-19 virus in pet dog


I love animals - I have a dog - and am very much concerned about this new virus infecting our pets and vice verse, pets being able to infect our families. Lots of people around the world have pets that live with them - dogs, cats, other mammals.

So now I wonder if officials in the U.S. will start looking at infected people's pets - so many people have pets...as this infection spreads and more and more people test positive, this is bound to come up sooner or later. And there are no places set up to quarantine our animals. Hmmmm.

Not liking this at all. I wouldn't want my old dog 'quarantined' somewhere.

Chance
Not catching the articles with the links. ?? They linked OK in the following post.


I posted an article about the dog that was infected yesterday, IIRC, it didn’t get much traction here.
 

Cyclonemom

Veteran Member
So did that 1 positive dog test positive for the COVID-19 (respiratory), or just the normal canine coronavirus (intestinal)?

Methinks there is much faulty, or fearmongering, (or both!) reporting going on here. Most people don't know that cats and dogs have their own, very common, form.

In cats, there are two types, the one that manifests as FIP, and the other in the GI tract.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
So did that 1 positive dog test positive for the COVID-19 (respiratory), or just the normal canine coronavirus (intestinal)?

Methinks there is much faulty, or fearmongering, (or both!) reporting going on here. Most people don't know that cats and dogs have their own, very common, form.

In cats, there are two types, the one that manifests as FIP, and the other in the GI tract.

The article I posted yesterday failed to elaborate on that part.
 

Chance

Veteran Member
These dogs were tested for the coronavirus that causes COVID-19. And were found to be positive. That's why these articles are so important. But not to show dogs can get this, but to show THEY are looking at pets! They are testing peoples pets! That's why I put this thread as an ALERT.

So the point of this thread is being missed by some.

Why did JAPAN and Hong Kong even test these dogs in the first place? If WHO said no known transmission between pets and humans why are people even looking??

The point of this thread is not to show WOO for pets getting this, but to point out that the CDC might decide to start taking away infected peoples pets. Quarantining their animals ...'just in case'. Or, worse, putting them down. Do you think the government is going to pay for pets to be tested? Or quarantined? I doubt it.

Right now the CDC is so stingy with their testing, pets are their last concern...but as other countries start looking and finding positive pets belonging to positive people they might demand the pets be killed or quarantined for weeks. They won't waste medicines on these pets. And who is going to pay for their quarantine? This isnt 'kennel cough'!

More and more testing of people is being done in the US now...and a lot of positives will result from community spreading. And I bet many of those people will have pets. CDC is looking for scape goats here....they start seeing positive pets in Japan and Hong Kong they are going to start making connections and making demands here.

Maybe they will leave the pets alone....I hope so. Because CDC and HHS have done a pretty messed up job to date and I don't trust them to take care of us or our pets! But they might start getting 'trigger happy'.

The way things are going, I don't think this is too far fetched, especially when Wuhan people were told to kill their pets.

Hope I'm way in left field on this, but I don't think so. CDC has setup some pretty stupid criteria so far concerning this virus....and the stupid could continue!

I certainly hope they never find transmission from dogs to people! And I certainly hope they don't assume transmission from dogs to people.

Just sayin'.

Chance
 
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Chance

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So are the dogs carrying it, or are they sick?
They are not seeing symptoms that go with this coronavirus in the dogs.....maybe dogs won't get sick from this. Hope they don't! But they tested positive. WHO has said no transmission seen between dogs and people. But it looks like people can give it to dogs maybe? Where did the dogs get it? Hope no transference occurs!
 
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Marseydoats

Veteran Member
What may be coming: quarantining our pets.

Check out my comment, #14, as some people are missing the point of this thread. Thanks.

I put this as it's own thread because it would get buried in the main thread on coronavirus. And so many of us here have pets.

Haven't seen this topic come up in the U.S. news...yet.

We know that Wuhan, China was ordering people to 'take care of' their pets - or THEY would cull them. When I first read that, I wondered what did THEY knew that we didn't.

WHO has said they've not seen any dog/cat transfer of coronavirus to people. And the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department (AFCD of Hong Kong) said they had no evidence that pets can be infected with this virus. Both WHO and AFCD have said they have no knowledge of pets being a source of infection for people.

Well, that may be changing.....

This article on 2/29 in Natural News states that "Two dogs in Japan have tested positive for coronavirus, indicating the pandemic has crossed into the canine species now, potentially putting millions of dogs at risk worldwide and bringing a new wave of fear among dog owners." Coronavirus update for Feb 28: Mexico confirms infection, stocks puke, U.S. labs to finally begin testing Americans next week after 3-week CDC delay

And Hong Kong is reporting a "pet dog of a coronavirus patient was placed in quarantine on Wednesday after testing 'weak positive' for the virus...." This is the first known case of the virus in a pet animal. Dog tests 'weak positive' for coronavirus in Hong Kong, first possible infection in pet

They analyzed nasal, oral and rectal samples from the dog and they tested positive. The dog was said to not have any symptoms. They are advising quarantining pets of infected people for 14 days. I.E. handing the pets over to the 'appropriate' authorities.

The AFCD of Hong Kong said "to ensure public and animal health, the department strongly advise mammalian pets of patients confirmed to have been infected with COVID-19 virus to be put under quarantine by the AFCD. The pets will be delivered to the designated animal keeping facilities of the AFCD for quarantine and veterinary surveillance for 14 days. Samples will be collected for testing of COVID-19 virus as appropriate. Repeated tests will be conducted for the animals and they will only be returned when the test result is negative." Detection of low level of COVID-19 virus in pet dog
Detection of low level of COVID-19 virus in pet dog


I love animals - I have a dog - and am very much concerned about this new virus infecting our pets and vice verse, pets being able to infect our families. Lots of people around the world have pets that live with them - dogs, cats, other mammals.

So now I wonder if officials in the U.S. will start looking at infected people's pets - so many people have pets...as this infection spreads and more and more people test positive, this is bound to come up sooner or later. And there are no places set up to quarantine our animals. Hmmmm.

Not liking this at all. I wouldn't want my old dog 'quarantined' somewhere.

Chance
Not catching the articles with the links. ?? They linked OK in the following post.

I would really like to see those dogs vet records and see if they had previously been treated for the dog version of corona virus. Or if they had been vaccinated for it. Some vaccines can cause a false positive in later testing.
 

twobarkingdogs

Veteran Member
I can't stop my pets from getting the virus any more then I can stop myself from getting it. But I can try

I have a friend from Atl who when things get bad is going to bug out to my place. They know that they will be quarantined for 1 month and that they are not to pet or touch the dogs during that time. This was mainly so that if they had anything they wouldn't transfer it through petting to the fur of the dogs and then to me through my petting of the dogs. I figured it was simple enough to do as we discussed how to handle them coming to my place and what we think needed to be done because if it gets bad enough for that to happen we both want to stay alive

tbd
 

Hawkgirl_70

Veteran Member
I have a question?

I have 5 indoor cats and 1 indoor dog.
As I have all my life, my very long lived cats thru the years only get their needed shots up thru the 1 year boosters. They don’t go out ever except on rare cases when they are sick or dental or senior end of life visits.
The triplets haven’t had shots since 2016, my newest since 2018, and the elderly baby since 2006.
My dog, Rafe, only goes out with us on leash around our big backyard 3 to 4x a day.
He hasn’t had shots since 2013.

Should I take them all for boosters again?
Do they need these shots to help protect with this virus even those there’s less than 1% of them getting anything and it would have to be from a vet visit, what does everyone think?
 

Chance

Veteran Member
I have a question?

I have 5 indoor cats and 1 indoor dog.
As I have all my life, my very long lived cats thru the years only get their needed shots up thru the 1 year boosters. They don’t go out ever except on rare cases when they are sick or dental or senior end of life visits.
The triplets haven’t had shots since 2016, my newest since 2018, and the elderly baby since 2006.
My dog, Rafe, only goes out with us on leash around our big backyard 3 to 4x a day.
He hasn’t had shots since 2013.

Should I take them all for boosters again?
Do they need these shots to help protect with this virus even those there’s less than 1% of them getting anything and it would have to be from a vet visit, what does everyone think?
Hi Hawkgirl, given the age of your pets (meaning they probably have immunity to what the boosters would have covered) and their relative isolation, just keep doing what you've been doing. Too early in the game to know exactly what we should do with our pets.
Someone may have some natural suggestions for us to give our pets....turkey tail mushrooms come to mind as a suggestion.
 

Chance

Veteran Member
ONE DOG seems to have it. ONE.

Oh. My. GAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2 in Japan and 1 in Hong Kong...and that's probably all that has been tested.

What will happen to the pets of positive people now that this news is out there? Will CDC require 14 day quarantine? Guess well find out at some point.
 

Chance

Veteran Member
Found some info on pets at the CDC.gov site.

What to do if you are sick:

Separate yourself from other people and animals in your home

People: As much as possible, you should stay in a specific room and away from other people in your home. Also, you should use a separate bathroom, if available.

Animals: You should restrict contact with pets and other animals while you are sick with COVID-19, just like you would around other people. Although there have not been reports of pets or other animals becoming sick with COVID-19, it is still recommended that people sick with COVID-19 limit contact with animals until more information is known about the virus. When possible, have another member of your household care for your animals while you are sick. If you are sick with COVID-19, avoid contact with your pet, including petting, snuggling, being kissed or licked, and sharing food. If you must care for your pet or be around animals while you are sick, wash your hands before and after you interact with pets and wear a facemask. See COVID-19 and Animals for more information.

 
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Chance

Veteran Member
THEY are being cautious - Second bit of info on pets/coronavirus:

"U.S. Marine Corps Disease Containment Preparedness Planning Guidance For 2019 Novel Coronavirus" Date Signed 2/12/2020 MARADMINS: 082/20

3.A.1.C.2.F. Marines may not travel, visit public/crowded areas, or use public transportation and should avoid interaction with pets of other animals, to the greatest extent possible.

3.A.1.C.3. Until further notice, it is recommended that civilian employees and contractor personnel, and family members returning from China follow existing CDC guidance. Key aspects include voluntarily: remaining at home, avoiding congregate settings, limiting close contact with people and pets/other animals to the greatest extent possible, avoiding travel, self-monitoring, and seeking immediate medical care if symptoms develop.

 

Chance

Veteran Member
(Snip from linked article) Those worried about the coronavirus outbreak affecting their pets can take some solace in that, “according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there is currently no evidence that dogs or cats can be infected with the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV),” Kimmerlein said, referring to the current outbreak by its unique name.

“While public health officials believe that 2019-nCoV probably originally emerged from an animal source, it now seems to be spreading from person-to-person. There is no reason to think that any animals or pets in the United States are at risk of contracting 2019-nCoV or are a source for infection,” she added.




"Overall, my concerns are still more about cats. Dogs will probably get investigated more because there are more pet dogs than cats in most regions, and people tend to seek healthcare for the dogs (or alternative caretakers if the owner is indisposed due to illness) quicker than for their cats. However, the genetic makeup of the virus suggests that cats are at greater risk of being infected if they are exposed (as with SARS). The situation, as with most aspects of COVID-19, is still very fluid; hopefully more information will come soon. "

 
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LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
The dogs are not infected with it (COVID-19), they are passive carriers for it because they are around people with active cases that are shedding the virus like crazy and the dogs (and other animals) have to both breathe and eat in this infested area. The people are NOT catching this from the animals. The people already have it and are sharing it with everything in the area. Dogs have a large nasal passage, and as such "collect" a lot of things beside what they are sniffing and trying to track smells of. Their fur coats will also harbor the human shed viri (this has been proven with people that have the flu in a house with dogs which will get trace loading), and their intestinal tract will also have small amounts of the viri from in the air. But if you have an infected household, EVERYTHING will have some viral load on it, carpets, beds, walls, floors...

If you want to take a test to see this in action, put out a petri dish on your counter, pour about 15ml of warm agar solution into it and let it solidify. Come back in a day or so and watch the fun start to appear. No matter how clean anyone keeps their house, they can still develop a bacterial growth across the surface, and viral loading is no different.

Loup
 

zeker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have an indoor cat. No one locally knows about this cat. I've never gotten her licensed, nor am I going to.

I was shocked a cpl yrs ago when a flyer came from town office to have dogs AND CATS licensed

apparently it been that way forever

just I never heard of it
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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If you don’t register them, how can they assess your “pet tax”? I haven’t licensed my dogs since I came to Texas.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
Apparently dogs can get coronavirus but not necessarily the strain we've got now.



Dogs not at risk according to this:


Is my dog at risk of getting this newly identified coronavirus?
Experts say no.

The CDC says this new strain spreads from bats to humans, but your dog is not at risk.

“There are no known cases in dogs or even reason to suspect cases,” says Dr. Teller.

So, I can’t get it from my pooch?
“Do not panic. Your dog is not going to get this coronavirus,” Dr. Teller adds. “You won’t get it from your dog. Keep doing what you do every day, loving each other, and taking care of each other.”

Aren’t there canine coronaviruses?
Yes. But the novel strain is not related to any of the canine coronaviruses.
 
What may be coming: quarantining our pets.

Check out my comment, #14, as some people are missing the point of this thread. Thanks.

I put this as it's own thread because it would get buried in the main thread on coronavirus. And so many of us here have pets.

Haven't seen this topic come up in the U.S. news...yet.

We know that Wuhan, China was ordering people to 'take care of' their pets - or THEY would cull them. When I first read that, I wondered what did THEY knew that we didn't.

WHO has said they've not seen any dog/cat transfer of coronavirus to people. And the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department (AFCD of Hong Kong) said they had no evidence that pets can be infected with this virus. Both WHO and AFCD have said they have no knowledge of pets being a source of infection for people.

Well, that may be changing.....

This article on 2/29 in Natural News states that "Two dogs in Japan have tested positive for coronavirus, indicating the pandemic has crossed into the canine species now, potentially putting millions of dogs at risk worldwide and bringing a new wave of fear among dog owners." Coronavirus update for Feb 28: Mexico confirms infection, stocks puke, U.S. labs to finally begin testing Americans next week after 3-week CDC delay

And Hong Kong is reporting a "pet dog of a coronavirus patient was placed in quarantine on Wednesday after testing 'weak positive' for the virus...." This is the first known case of the virus in a pet animal. Dog tests 'weak positive' for coronavirus in Hong Kong, first possible infection in pet

They analyzed nasal, oral and rectal samples from the dog and they tested positive. The dog was said to not have any symptoms. They are advising quarantining pets of infected people for 14 days. I.E. handing the pets over to the 'appropriate' authorities.

The AFCD of Hong Kong said "to ensure public and animal health, the department strongly advise mammalian pets of patients confirmed to have been infected with COVID-19 virus to be put under quarantine by the AFCD. The pets will be delivered to the designated animal keeping facilities of the AFCD for quarantine and veterinary surveillance for 14 days. Samples will be collected for testing of COVID-19 virus as appropriate. Repeated tests will be conducted for the animals and they will only be returned when the test result is negative." Detection of low level of COVID-19 virus in pet dog
Detection of low level of COVID-19 virus in pet dog


I love animals - I have a dog - and am very much concerned about this new virus infecting our pets and vice verse, pets being able to infect our families. Lots of people around the world have pets that live with them - dogs, cats, other mammals.

So now I wonder if officials in the U.S. will start looking at infected people's pets - so many people have pets...as this infection spreads and more and more people test positive, this is bound to come up sooner or later. And there are no places set up to quarantine our animals. Hmmmm.

Not liking this at all. I wouldn't want my old dog 'quarantined' somewhere.

Chance
Not catching the articles with the links. ?? They linked OK in the following post.
I will die with my dogs. I will never harm them!
 
So did that 1 positive dog test positive for the COVID-19 (respiratory), or just the normal canine coronavirus (intestinal)?

Methinks there is much faulty, or fearmongering, (or both!) reporting going on here. Most people don't know that cats and dogs have their own, very common, form.

In cats, there are two types, the one that manifests as FIP, and the other in the GI tract.
Does anyone know about this? When i was a child back in the 1950's i distinctly remember the teacher telling us that "diseases don't cross species." So what happened? Why crossing species now? Tampering with things? Mandela Effect?
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
I have an indoor cat. No one locally knows about this cat. I've never gotten her licensed, nor am I going to.
Licensed? For a CAT? What in the world are you talking about?

Dogs? Yeah I can understand that, but a cat?

Mine won't go to the vet, much less accept a collar and then a license? Not happening
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Does anyone know about this? When i was a child back in the 1950's i distinctly remember the teacher telling us that "diseases don't cross species." So what happened? Why crossing species now? Tampering with things? Mandela Effect?
Certain diseases have always crossed. From/to. what non-human species varies by disease.
 
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Cyclonemom

Veteran Member
Rabies, leprosporosis, influenza are common zoonotic diseases. Human doctors are not as familiar with them as they ought to be. Zoonotic diseases have existed for centuries.
 

Chance

Veteran Member

"The Hong Kong government has urged people not to abandon their pets and to stop kissing them after a second dog tested positive for coronavirus, but stressed that the animal had not shown any symptoms of the disease. Though the shepherd tested positive for the virus, no such result was obtained from the mixed-breed dog, and “neither dog has shown any signs of disease,” the AFCD said, adding it will continue to monitor both dogs and conduct repeated tests on the animals. "

Good - not showing any symptoms. Keep it that way.

I haven't heard of health departments testing people's pets here or requiring a quarantine for pets that belong to COVID-19 positive people.

"The American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) said that infectious disease experts and multiple international and domestic human and animal health organizations, all agree there is no evidence at this point to indicate that pets become ill with Covid-19 or that they spread it to other animals, including people."
 

Chance

Veteran Member

A day after a zoo in New York announced a tiger had tested positive for the new coronavirus and other big cats there showed symptoms of COVID-19, vets say there are no cases of pets making people sick.

Pet owners worried their animals might be harboring the virus can take heart from this: There have been no recorded cases of pets making people sick.

“This is almost exclusively a human-to-human transmitted disease, and the risk to pets is very low, with only a handful of cases of the virus appearing in companion animals, and no cases of people getting sick from their pets,” said Michael San Filippo, a spokesman for the American Veterinary Medicine Association.

Four dogs and cats that tested positive for the coronavirus were living with people who had been diagnosed with COVID-19, according to the association. A 4-year-old Malayan tiger at the Bronx Zoo in New York City appears to have been infected by a person caring for her, the Wildlife Conservation Society announced on April 5. Nadia, her sister, Azul, two Amur tigers and three African lions all developed a dry cough and all are expected to recover.

Only Naida was tested because anesthesia is needed for the procedure and her infection was confirmed by the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s National Veterinary Services Laboratory, based in Ames, Iowa. The test is different from the one used for people, the zoo’s chief veterinarian, Dr. Paul Calle, told The Associated Press.
 
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