HEALTH Per Drudge: EBOLA A PLANE RIDE AWAY FROM USA

Seabird

Veteran Member
Sorry if this is a dupe somewhere. Didn't see it on main, and needs to be posted.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/28/ebola-potential-to-spread/13267909/


Ebola only a plane ride away from USA


EBOLA VIRUS RAPIDLY SPREADING IN WEST AFRICA

Since it was detected in March, the number of cases attributed to Ebola in the West African nations of Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea stands at 1,201, including 672 deaths. Two U.S. doctors contracted the virus while trying to stop the spread of the infectious disease.

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WHO, USA TODAY research; Note: As of July 25, 2014
Janet Loehrke and Anne R. Carey, USA TODAY
Liz Szabo and Karen Weintraub, Special for USA TODAY 1:37 p.m. EDT July 28, 2014
Ebola could easily arrive in the USA on board a plane, but wouldn't spread far, experts say.
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The growing Ebola outbreak in West Africa serves as a grim reminder that deadly viruses are only a plane ride away from the USA, health experts say.

The outbreak is the deadliest on record, with more than 670 deaths and nearly 1,100 infections in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, according to the World Health Organization. Fatality rates for Ebola have been as high as 90% in past outbreaks, according to the WHO.

The virus — which has an incubation period of a few days to three weeks — could easily travel to the USA through infected travelers, says Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

EBOLA OUTBREAK: What you need to know

"A case very well could fly out of Africa, only to be detected in some distant country," says Osterholm, who served as an adviser to the George W. Bush administration on bioterrorism.

But Ebola "would not pose a major public health risk" in the USA, he says.

Ebola is unlikely to cause large outbreaks here, he says, because people need to be in intimate contact to spread the virus.

While Ebola is a fearsome disease, it's actually much harder to spread than respiratory infections, such as influenza or measles. Those viruses pose a much greater threat on a plane or any confined space, says Osterholm, who notes that people cannot spread the Ebola virus simply by sneezing or coughing.

But Ebola does spread readily through body fluids, such as blood and saliva, Osterholm says. On a plane, a sick person could potentially contaminate the bathroom if he or she vomits or has diarrhea.

But Stephen Morse, an epidemiologist at the Mailman School of Public Health at Columbia University, says the issue of how Ebola spreads is complex.

Sweat and saliva carry much lower levels of the Ebola virus than blood and stool, so the virus spreads less readily through those fluids.

"I don't think we've seen actual cases (passed through contact with sweat or saliva)," Morse says. "There may someday be a strain that's more capable of doing that, but so far it's more theoretical than actual."

Ebola has spread in Africa partly because of religious customs, in which family members wash the bodies of deceased relatives to prepare them for burial.

The virus also has spread to health care workers in Africa, where six or seven patients may share a single hospital room. Hospitals in developing countries also may lack certain infection-control measures — such as special containers to dispose of syringes — that are standard in U.S. facilities, Osterholm says. Wearing full-body protective garments – commonly called "moon suits" – is also more of a challenge in open-air clinics, because the restrictive outfits can cause people to quickly overheat.

More help is needed from around the world, Morse said. He received an e-mail today from a friend who is treating patients in the region and working 12- to 24-hour days. "When people tell me they're working flat-out 20 hours a day, obviously more resources are needed," he said.

The region needs more health care workers, especially those well trained in infection control procedures, he said, more equipment to keep health care workers and family members safe while treating patients, and more training for the general public about how to avoid and cope with the virus. "With something this size, it's obvious that we're under resourced right now," Morse said.

Symptoms of Ebola include fever, muscle aches, chills, sore throat, vomiting and diarrhea and a rash, according to the WHO. Advanced cases also can cause heavy bleeding, both internally and from the mouth and nose. Ebola can damage multiple organs, causing kidney and liver failure.

Hospitals in the USA are on high alert for Ebola, however, and would quickly isolate anyone with suspicious symptoms who has recently returned from Africa, Osterholm says.

"Right now, we'd have to assume every case is an Ebola case," in people with suspicious symptoms, Osterholm says.

In a worst-case scenario, Osterholm says, a handful of emergency room workers could be exposed before a sick person is diagnosed.

Once people are infected, however, there is no effective treatment, Osterholm says. Anti-viral medications used for other illnesses, such as the flu and HIV, don't appear to work on Ebola. Instead, hospitals could provide supportive care, dealing with symptoms as they occur.
 

Walkin' Away

Senior Member
There have also been reports on Fox News this morning.

The good doctor that they had on this morning said that he is even concerned about this coming here.

Now that the news has hit the mainstream media, are our fellow countrymen going to take this seriously, or are they just being "softened up" for the fact that it is here already or soon will be?

Guess we will see.

Take Care All.
W.A.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
they keep spreading this obviously disproved meme that 'only close contact, etc'.

the guy in lagos worked in an air conditioned government office, and was in close contact with no one with the disease, that he knew of.
 

bbbuddy

DEPLORABLE ME
Yeah and the DOCTORS know to take extraordinary precautions and are still catching it...imagine how easy it must be to catch this time around!

Then remember that they didn't put the airline passengers in isolation, they are merely monitoring them...so by the time they show symptoms, how many more have been exposed?!
That flyer had no contact with his dead sister, which means he got it third hand from a relative or health care worker that DID have contact!
 

Be Well

may all be well
Osterholm really downplays Ebola.
But Ebola "would not pose a major public health risk" in the USA, he says.

Ebola is unlikely to cause large outbreaks here, he says, because people need to be in intimate contact to spread the virus.

While Ebola is a fearsome disease, it's actually much harder to spread than respiratory infections, such as influenza or measles. Those viruses pose a much greater threat on a plane or any confined space, says Osterholm, who notes that people cannot spread the Ebola virus simply by sneezing or coughing.
 

Walkin' Away

Senior Member
Guess we will see, eh?

I am thinking that if it does come here, the cool temps of the northern us will not be conducive (depending upon the time of year) for its survival.

Thinking outside the box here...I remember a while ago that Cappy had a dream or saying about something coming from the south faster than one can imagine (not exact quote)

Say it comes here somewhere in the south....see the mass exodus of southerners to the north.

Really, even the threat of such a thing could be a game changer.

I am adjusting the tinfoil beanie.... :)

Have a pleasant evening!

W.A.
 

Vegas321

Live free and survive
Guess we will see, eh?

I am thinking that if it does come here, the cool temps of the northern us will not be conducive (depending upon the time of year) for its survival.

Thinking outside the box here...I remember a while ago that Cappy had a dream or saying about something coming from the south faster than one can imagine (not exact quote)

Say it comes here somewhere in the south....see the mass exodus of southerners to the north.

Really, even the threat of such a thing could be a game changer.

I am adjusting the tinfoil beanie.... :)

Have a pleasant evening!

W.A.

Not to pounce on you but, nothing is further from the truth in your statement. Colder weather brings people together inside more which in turn increases the chance of spreading of any virus. "Cold weather" will not effect the virus itself. The example of the virus speading now is because of close tribes and family members, not temps in weather.
 

Walkin' Away

Senior Member
Thanks Vegas,
Guess I meant to say it may not survive on surfaces in the cold weather.

At this point in time, being that this is a new variant....anything is possible.

Take Care,
W.A.
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Remember, this ebola starts out with flu like symptoms.

If and when it hits, would TPTB even bother to inform us. For the safety of the masses, critical knowledge about how many are infected and where will most likely be kept from the American people. We may only find out when it's too late to contain...
 

timbo

Deceased
Shades of an old novel, Earth Abides. 1949 printed.

A airborne disease that is spread world wide through transportation, especially air travel.

How the very few immune people got together and survived.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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OMG... can you imagine if ONE person in that mass of "child immigrants" was infected?

God have mercy on us all!

Summerthyme
 

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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Scaremongering. Ebola and all the other horrific diseases out there have been "a plane-ride away from USA" ever since the advent of direct flights between continents. This is nothing new; it's been a nightmare in the disease-control/hospital/public health circles for decades.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Shades of an old novel, Earth Abides. 1949 printed.

A airborne disease that is spread world wide through transportation, especially air travel.

How the very few immune people got together and survived.

Scaremongering. Ebola and all the other horrific diseases out there have been "a plane-ride away from USA" ever since the advent of direct flights between continents. This is nothing new; it's been a nightmare in the disease-control/hospital/public health circles for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Abides
On the first page Stewart tells readers how contagion could bring the end very quickly for mankind:

"If a killing type of virus strain should suddenly arise by mutation...it could, because of the rapid transportation in which we indulge nowadays, be carried to the far corners of the earth and cause the deaths of millions of people." W.M. Stanley, in Chemical and Engineering News, December 22, 1947.[10]
 

Sleeping Cobra

TB Fanatic
Remember, this ebola starts out with flu like symptoms.

If and when it hits, would TPTB even bother to inform us. For the safety of the masses, critical knowledge about how many are infected and where will most likely be kept from the American people. We may only find out when it's too late to contain...

Of course NOT. And the controlled Main Stream Media will not tell the truth either. (I intentionally meant to use all capps on the word not)
 

kittyknits

Veteran Member
That plane has landed.

What about that doctor and his family who just came back to Tx from Liberia? He supposedly has ebola--so it is definitely in this country.

How many people did they come into contact with on that trip?

I was awake till 5 thirty this morning after reading those threads.

ETA: I just found that post and reread it and it seems the family came back, but not the doctor who now has ebola. Confusing, even DH said it wasn't clear without rereading. Still--too close.
 
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almost ready

Inactive
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Scaremongering. Ebola and all the other horrific diseases out there have been "a plane-ride away from USA" ever since the advent of direct flights between continents. This is nothing new; it's been a nightmare in the disease-control/hospital/public health circles for decades.

I would respectfully disagree. Scaremongering sounds like yellow journalism designed to frighten the herd. On the contrary, in this case, some extreme caution is advised.

This Ebola version has an unusually long incubation time, up to three weeks (like the unfortunate government rep who died after arriving in Lagos). Further, it can be caught without the knowledge of said person. He did have any direct link to a known patient or venue (such as a funeral). He is said to have talked with her husband at about that time, and may have contracted it from him, indirectly. No further information is available.

Ebola was contained previously partly by luck, and partly by distance. The victims didn't survive long enough to be transported to big capitals for hospital treatment. This is, in fact, a new situation. This new version is further complicated by looking like the flu in its early stages, so that the patient doesn't realize he's got Ebola until its late stages, in some cases. Where family are already ill, it is found earlier, because the family of the sick is tested. Otherwise, their cases might have gone undetected, and the percentage of fatalities much higher.

If this ebola gets to the late stage, the hemorrhagic stage, it is fatal (at least so far). However, anyone who has it and isn't in a family illness situation might be thinking he has a bad and worsening flu -- and be far away from the source of his infection. Thus, the number of carriers is incalculable at this time, as villages are barricading themselves away, especially from western medicos.

Not scaremongering. If this doesn't burn out naturally, many social changes must be adopted, least of which will be no more hand shaking, and extreme measures of isolation for all who think they've got the flu. Would be reasonable to set up specialized centers like the SARS centers, where the exposed could wait out their 3 weeks incubation window. Because exposure may be unknown to the patient, all flu cases will need to be isolated. We used to do this with signs on the doors of the sick. Should be the way. Shelters for the homeless and travelers.

This is serious.
 

Be Well

may all be well
I agree with you, almost ready. And it seems that this Ebola is somewhat different from other previous Ebola strains. Niman thinks so, I should check his site today. There have been several variants of Ebola already, and the Reston strain did go airborne, and infected a few humans, but thankfully was not fatal for humans nor, IIRC, did it cause symptoms; it was only found that humans had become infected by blood tests.

But that showed that Ebola CAN go airborne. And that if that happens with this variant, then it is truly a Worst Case Scenario.

A huge Black Swan.
 
That has been on my mind for a while--- infect 10 people and send them here traveling around the country

There are Islamic terrorists in Nigeria. The Al Queda/Hezbollah network in South America could enlist them to enable such a plan. A nondescript freighter would cross the Atlantic from Nigeria with just-infected jihadis. Then coyotes would easily get them across our border into the southern United States. That would be week two before symptoms arise. Then they are transported by DHS/HHS into the interior of our country. Ten different barrios in the main urban centers of the United States become Hot Zones at virtually the same time.

ARE YOU READING THIS, YOU STUPID SOBS IN THE BELTWAY!
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Our nation is endangered and threatened more now than it has ever been in history and our military are NOT the ones who can save us and this nation, it is up to the citizens themselves whether we continue or die as a nation, keeping merely the NAME and nothing else of the America, our blood bought rights and freedoms that were bequeathed to us by our forefathers!
 

Be Well

may all be well
Our nation is endangered and threatened more now than it has ever been in history and our military are NOT the ones who can save us and this nation, it is up to the citizens themselves whether we continue or die as a nation, keeping merely the NAME and nothing else of the America, our blood bought rights and freedoms that were bequeathed to us by our forefathers!

IMHO we need citizens, governors, state reps if any, LEOs and mil. And as many in fed agencies who are not part of the problem.
 

Adino

paradigm shaper
what we need is some good old fashioned fear of God

He is the only shelter in this storm

then when He's back in the driver's seat decent men and women will be raised up
 
Thinking about my above post, I am now certain that it will not be financial collapse or panic that will accelerate the spread of this New Ebola. It will be terrorism, (or asymmetrical warfare by the PRC/PLA which has extensive contacts and connections throughout Africa and South America. The PLA also has close relations with Hezbollah and the NarcoGangs in South America).

And the collaborators in South America would not even know who they were transporting, how deadly their human cargo was.
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almost ready

Inactive
I agree with you, almost ready. And it seems that this Ebola is somewhat different from other previous Ebola strains. Niman thinks so, I should check his site today. There have been several variants of Ebola already, and the Reston strain did go airborne, and infected a few humans, but thankfully was not fatal for humans nor, IIRC, did it cause symptoms; it was only found that humans had become infected by blood tests.

But that showed that Ebola CAN go airborne. And that if that happens with this variant, then it is truly a Worst Case Scenario.

A huge Black Swan.

http://fluboard.rhizalabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11866

This is a link to Dr. Niman's analysis.

Yes, been thinking on this all day. It will take only one school child infecting their classmates to cause a serious rethink about our society - and a return to public health measures of the days before feeling good about "AIDS" days, when standard public health measures were pretty much wiped out, except for TB.
 

Be Well

may all be well
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timbo

Deceased
I'll say it again here. What was the motive of putting all those 'children' scattered over the whole country?

And by whose orders?
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
I'm going to go back and read all the post after jumping in on this thread after the 28th post.

With that said, where are those punk-@$$ Un-American Baby Blue Health Dicktators who wanted to impose level-6 Pandemic Draconian Protocols in CON-US for the whimsical 2010 Swine Flu out of Mexico in 2010?

Ebola has a 2 to 21 day incubation period, all flights off the African Continent, or any traveler who's passport shows in those areas in the last one- to 28 days should be quarantined for a month and tested before admission to CONUS.

Do I think all the low-brow Baby Blue Clones or even our own So-Called Home-Grown Security ex-purt's can even come close to finding their backbone in time?

Oh hell no!
 
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L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
Guess we will see, eh?

I am thinking that if it does come here, the cool temps of the northern us will not be conducive (depending upon the time of year) for its survival.

Thinking outside the box here...I remember a while ago that Cappy had a dream or saying about something coming from the south faster than one can imagine (not exact quote)

Say it comes here somewhere in the south....see the mass exodus of southerners to the north.

Really, even the threat of such a thing could be a game changer.

I am adjusting the tinfoil beanie.... :)

Have a pleasant evening!

W.A.


I will not disagree with Cappy's assertion on intuition because I share the same on both accounts.

What has been weighing on me lately is the temperature-human traffic-vector; to the point of the tropical weather we have been experiencing even in my usual Mediterranean micro-climate.
 
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