[OT] Discussion thread on Fahrenheit 9/11, for those who saw it ONLY

'plain o joe'

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Only Rule :
You had to have seen it to post in this thread.



If you haven't seen it, go see it, or else just read the thread.


To me the message was "beware the Military Industrial Complex"... but like many documentaries, doesn't go back far enough on the history

I felt he didn't cover Osama's relationship with the CIA deep enough.

covered the fact that the steel got sold real quick, before the engineers could have a go at it.
 
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bigwavedave

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can we copy and paste massive quantities? :lol:

i must say, POJ, you are starting to sound like the whining right who complain the movie isn't perfect. ;)

i saw it a week ago. i feel like i need to see it again as i do any movie i like. you can't be sure what you want to pay attention to the first go around.

whatever its faults and possibly inapt categorization, it is POTENT. as to its lying about events, what is MM to do? include the lies of the admin for the purpose of balance? it seems that is what the right expects. the spin is starting to wobble and that's a dangerous thing.

there surely is a lot of noise coming from folks who haven't seen it and won't see it. it's sort of like covering your ears, running to and fro, and screaming. these people are cowards. they are afraid of big baaaad MM, afraid of thinking about anything that might change their world view. they've spent a lifetime building and fitting those filters for personal use.
 

Dennis Olson

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WHY is everyone calling this thing a DOCU-FREAKIN-MENTARY?

It's about as much a documentary as The Posidon Adventure. That is my main objection. It's a LIE. Whether the film has merit (or not) is a different issue. But by folks thinking it's a documentary, the radical left has succeeeded in their PROPAGANDA PLAY.

And the sheeple are eating it up... :kk1: :kk1: :kk1:
 

'plain o joe'

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bigwavedave said:
can we copy and paste massive quantities? :lol:

i must say, POJ, you are starting to sound like the whining right who complain the movie isn't perfect. ;)

I resemble that remark, Dave :D

Dennis, you gotta see it first...;)

But I know this is your ballpark :D

But IF you do go, forget the facts, and check the message. It's the same one Eisenhower said....
 

bigwavedave

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Dennis, you so don't GI.

people don't go to DOCUMENTARIES. there, is that all cleared up now?

it's like insisting that Fox News be as boring as the other feeds before i'll watch it. heck, i watch Fox News for both news and entertainment. i haven't watched any reality TV yet. i hope i'm not missing anything. ;)

now, go see the damn thing and report back . . .
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I REFUSE on principle to give ANY of my $'s to that pig MM. If someone wants to send me a bootlegged VCD or DVD, I'll watch it. Otherwise... :tng:
 

'plain o joe'

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Dennis Olson said:
I REFUSE on principle to give ANY of my $'s to that pig MM. If someone wants to send me a bootlegged VCD or DVD, I'll watch it. Otherwise... :tng:

heck, half the fun is seeing it in a theater
hearing others reaction...

Ok.. how about a fund raiser for Dennis...


by mail
TB2K Fund
P.O. Box 1212
Hudson, WI, 54016

send cash...
don't forget soda and popcorn money
 

buff

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seen it...and this is my take on a different angle....
to preface...my nephew neither watches news, reads on the net, or reads a newspaper...

was at a fourth of july picnic at my folks house...my 26 yr old nephew(who has also seen it)...said...bush sucks..

i said why is that?

he said "all bush cares about is playing golf, he doesn't care about the wars he is starting.....look at how many people are being killed....we never had this when clinton was president...

after sternly informing his young butt on how we are paying the bills for the clinton presidency, he started to see the light of day on how serious a situation we are in and why we must stop islamic fundementlism now or we are all toast.

it just struck me that all he took out of that film was the one scene with the golf footage....

in fact...all he remembered were the extremely obvious propaganda scenes..

sad in my view....

are we the next spain....get a backbone people.....
 

Brooks

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"I REFUSE on principle to give ANY of my $'s to that pig MM."

Depending on the layout of the theater, you could simply buy a ticket to a different movie and switch over.
 

NoCarrier

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Don't force Dennis Olson to go see that movie. He doesn't want to see it and he's not voting for Bush anyway. :D

But that's not my point.

You guys should push people who are undecided about their votes, those people will be interested in F-9/11. The swing voters are the most important ones. Then discuss with them.

I have a lot of relatives in Florida. And all of them are now voting for Kerry after I asked them to see it. They were undecided. Not anymore. ;)
 

'plain o joe'

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NoCarrier
but did YOU see it?

Like I can force Dennis to anything.. :lol:

It's not about the facts that can be "bunked"? or debunked, it's about the message... the Military Industrial Complex and the comming NWO...
 

'plain o joe'

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monkeyface said:
:eleph: :eleph: They called "The Blair Witch Project" a documentary too. :kk1:



[OT] Discussion thread on Fahrenheit 9/11, for those who saw it ONLY



Only Rule :
You had to have seen it.



If you haven't seen it, go see it, or else just read the thread
 

Maher

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Since this thread isn't open to everyone, it should definitely be moved off the main board. Perhaps either the "Religion” or "Unexplained" forum would be appropriate... :lol:
 

monkeyface

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:shk: I agree Maher, I only commented that the Blair Witch Project was considered a documentary and POJ, jumped on little ole me. I didn't even comment on Fahrenheit as I had not seen it and will not see it. :shr: :shr:
 

BugoutBear

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I saw the movie Joe.

I've never liked Moore, but he raises some "interesting" questions -- which have already been raised on this board more than once.

The main point for me is G.W. condemns himself with the words out of his own mouth. Even so, I don't think anyone really cares anymore.

BugoutBear
 

'plain o joe'

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Maher said:
Since this thread isn't open to everyone, it should definitely be moved off the main board. Perhaps either the "Religion” or "Unexplained" forum would be appropriate... :lol:


Maher

I'm trying to get honest opinions, one way or the other.

Are you for supression of discusion?

If you really want to sound off , here's a couple of links...

from Ought Six
[MEDIA] The 'Farenheit 9/11'
debunking thread
Ought Six
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=105723


And if you want to be in UNEX here ya go
[WOT] THE 9-11 STORY MICHAEL MOORE
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'plain o joe'

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=105741


I wanted a thread where people who have seen it, could discuss it without heaps of cut&paste dumped.

see the movie if you want, and come back and voice your opinion
 
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Michigan Majik

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I saw it...
As one of my friends said: "it's an emotional rollercoaster"...
I didn't like the way GW Bush was portrayed as being mildly retarded, however, I agreed with what was said about our soldiers being mislead.
I've been to alot of movies in my time, but never to one where people were openly sobbing, and at the end, almost everyone stood up, and clapped...
I watched the people file out when it was over... I can't imagine that all those folks were Democrats.
Methinks our President is in deep shit... (JMO) :shk:
 

NoCarrier

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BugoutBear said:
he raises some "interesting" questions -- which have already been raised on this board more than once.

Not everyone is surfing the internet in search of "doomer" message boards.
 
I saw the movie on July 4th. It is an exceptional film and has nothing to do with Republicans or Democrats. It is way beyond that. It has to do with a war, the slaughtering of innocent people, the Bush-Saudi connections and absolute corruption. It has nothing to do with Michael Moore either. He is simply the messenger with the best credentials to bring this information out. See the movie.
What the heck are you afraid of?

I would like to add that everyone in our theater jumped up and yelled and clapped in the end. There was tears at various points in the movie as it has some very intense footage.
 

l0kster

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Moore too soft on Bush and neocons

Saw movie,

basically re-hashes of what has already been on the Internet for years for people who didn't believe the official line/lies back then. People who still believe the official line about 9-11 being all from Bin Laden with no inside help or at the least criminal negligence from our Gov'ment are unlikely to change their minds.

i recently found a web review that matches fairly closely my views on the movie:

http://www.oilempire.us/michaelmoore.html#bittersweet

Fahrenheit 9/11: the sequel
A bittersweet movie review

some things I found out from above: cut and pasted

"Bush's cousin Jim Pierce relocated his business meeting on 9/11 from the top of the towers to a nearby building (source: Barbara Bush!)."

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"The Saudi connection to the Kean Commission

A Saudi business connection that somehow Moore did not discuss is the curious business partners of Thomas Kean, the chair of the official 9/11 Commission. Kean is the former Governor of New Jersey, and replaced the notorious Henry Kissinger, Bush's first choice to head the investigation. If Kissinger had been kept on board, it would have been easier for average citizens to understand this "investigation" was a scam -- since few are aware that Kean is a business partner of Osama's brother in law. Even Fortune magazine has connected the dots between Kean, his seat on the board of Amerada Hess petroleum, their investment in a Saudi consortium that was planning the pipeline across Afghanistan, and Khalid bin Mafouz, a shady Saudi investor who reportedly is married to Osama's sister. It's curious that a film so focused on exposing corrupt Saudi influences in American politics ignores this part of the puzzle.

Kean's commission will recommend at the end of July that the US create a new "Homeland" spy agency to snoop on the citizens and to give bigger budgets to Big Brother, with the false claim that this would help prevent a repeat of 9/11. Reversing the assaults on our civil liberties will require exposing the deceptions of September 11th."

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"The Pakistan connection

Early in the film, Moore interviews CIA agent and Florida Representative Porter Goss, and pokes fun at him by printing his phone number at the bottom of the screen. Moore's investigators did not include in the film that on the morning of 9/11, Rep. Goss, Republican from Florida and Chair of the House Intelligence Committee, was meeting with General Mahmoud Ahmad, the director of Pakistan's equivalent of the CIA. According to the FBI, Gen. Ahmad was the "moneyman" behind 9/11, and sent $100,000 to Mohammed Atta, the alleged ringleader of the 9/11 terrorist group. Why didn't Moore ask Rep. Goss what he and General Ahmad were talking about that morning. Rep. Goss is probably going to be the next Director of the CIA (appointed by Bush). If one of Moore's expert factcheckers had performed a websearch on "Porter Goss" and 911, they would have found lots of articles on this connection - and if only a few of them are close to the truth, it would be an enormous scandal. "

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no movie, no article, no website is enough to convince firm Bush supporters but there is lots of good stuff at infowars.com, fromthewilderness.com, oilempire.us, www.cooperativeresearch.org, and other sites for those who don't march to the party line.

....system responding real slow - don't know if first posting of this took. If there is a dupe I'll try to delete.
 

delta lady

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Dennis and Brooks...

Who don't want to give MM the money...

So you buy a ticket to Shrek2..and walk into F-911.. you see the movie and haven't contributed a DIME....


Rebut THAT....
 

'plain o joe'

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Delta Lady

go see the movie....

THEN come back here... :)

I'd love to hear your impressions...and check your PM's
 
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buff

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funny you bumped this...as i was just re reading it when you did...

i saw it...it isn't a documentary by any means..its one guys opinion.

yeah he did some research, but he is only taking small soundbites and clips and editing them to fit his needs, just as he did in bowling for columbine..

as for me, this kinda obvious propaganda doesn't sway my opinion. in fact i find it very typical of the american left and media who have no agenda so therefore need to create one. by pumping out their non message, they feel they will reach a few of the weakminded and uninformed if they scream it enough...

i fully expect them to start with the bush is a reptilian conspiracy any second as they seem to be running out of ideas...
 

Ought Six

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I will not participate in discussing the movie here (as requested) until somebody can help me out with this.....

I downloaded BitTornado, a BitTorrent client. It seems to work fine. I downloaded a bootleg copy of Fahrenheit 9/11 HERE. Okay, so after I unpacked the .zip archives, I was left with a .cue and a .bin file, the .bin being the massive 1.075 Gb one. So I downloaded bin_to_iso_converter to convert the .bin to an .iso. Then, I used Nero Express to burn a video CD. When I try to play it, it looks like it is badly out of sync and chopped up. I can kinda see the images and hear the audio track over the horrbile noises.

So any ideas on what I am doing wrong? If I can get this worked out, we all can watch the movie for free and comment on it.
 

'plain o joe'

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Couldn't buy you a clue if I tried, but I will compliment you on your pro-active approach




.06, with an obvious back door approach to get into this thread :D



 
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Dan the Power Man

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Hi Joe. I saw it, and here's my review:

Abstract: Michael Moore takes aim at George W. Bush and his administration’s handling of the September 11 attacks.

Thoughts: Oh, man, where do I start? For the record, I am a moderate conservative who has always voted Republican for the Presidency, and I plan to do the same this November.
This film is one long opinion/editorial piece that will either make you cheer, or sick to your stomach. Like his last film, Bowling for Columbine, Moore uses the same formula—take a bunch of sound bites, mix it in with voice-overs, and try to catch famous people off-guard. Here are the main points Moore tries to make, as I recall them:
•Bush stole the 2000 election
•The Bush family has financial ties to Saudi Arabia; 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis
•Two days after September 11, several members of the Bin Laden family were mysteriously whisked out of the country in airplanes, while the rest of us were stranded.
•We went to Afghanistan to secure a pipeline route, not to rid the country of Al Qaeda.
•The Bush regime fabricated every reason to start the war in Iraq
•John Ashcroft is a religious nut-case who used 9/11 to justify trampling on freedom
•Thousands of innocent Iraqi and American lives are being lost
•All of the politicians that signed the Patriot act into law are too lazy to read it, and too chicken to send any of their children to fight in Iraq.
•George W. Bush is a bumbling, incompetent idiot

I found myself mouth agape at how Moore could present a totally one-sided position with such vigor. The question is, did the film bring any new legitimate information to light? Of all the points made, I think the third one is the only one that meets this criteria—why did members of the Bin Laden family get escorts out? I really would like to have that one explained. [Newsweek provided the answer: It was Richard Clark that approved the flights to Kentucky—he is now avid anti-Bush administration, and testified at the September 11 hearings.

In "Bowling for Columbine", Moore successfully embarrassed K-mart to stop selling ammunition. His attempts to impact our society failed in this film, unless some Bush voters change their minds. I mean, come on, reading The Patriot Act from an ice cream truck in Washington, D.C.?
At least half of the audience was very moved—they clapped vigorously at the end.

By the way, Moore does discuss the protestors that were at the President’s inaugural parade. I was there, and I would have seen the President walking on the street, from the 5th floor of the Washington Hotel, had it not been for those knuckleheads throwing eggs at the presidential car. Thanks for the memory of a missed opportunity.

Rating: 3/5
 

Con-tractor

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Ought Six said:
I will not participate in discussing the movie here (as requested) until somebody can help me out with this.....

I downloaded BitTornado, a BitTorrent client. It seems to work fine. I downloaded a bootleg copy of Fahrenheit 9/11 HERE. Okay, so after I unpacked the .zip archives, I was left with a .cue and a .bin file, the .bin being the massive 1.075 Gb one. So I downloaded bin_to_iso_converter to convert the .bin to an .iso. Then, I used Nero Express to burn a video CD. When I try to play it, it looks like it is badly out of sync and chopped up. I can kinda see the images and hear the audio track over the horrbile noises.

So any ideas on what I am doing wrong? If I can get this worked out, we all can watch the movie for free and comment on it.

Go here

http://www.weethet.nl/english/cdrw_usingnero_bincue.php
 

SonicSabre

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saw it this afternoon.

Moore puts his liberal spin on it but beyond that the facts speak for themselves.
Facts such as all the corporates money connections etc.

well done film. it's point is to get the people thinking about the current regime and their motives. I think it accomplished that.
 

Ironhand

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I just got back from the movie tonight. I'm gonna have to do some research of my own to see if this was entirely propoganda or truth or some of each. I will have some major concerns if even half of it is true though.

One thing I learned for sure tonight that I didn't know is that John Ashcroft has a really nice singing voice. :hdbng:
 

'plain o joe'

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You just don't get it. Your concern for the facts overwelms the message. MM's message is the same echoed by a far better man than Bush and his croney's....


In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether
sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced
power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We
should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper
meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals,
so that security and liberty may prosper together.
 
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