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Only a third of young women hold positive view of men, new poll finds

Findings show women under 30 are three times as likely to hold a negative view of men compared to the other way around
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Just 35 per cent of British women under the age of 25 hold a positive view of men, according to a new poll.

The findings show only 11 per cent of young women hold a very positive view, while women under 30 are three times as likely to hold a negative view of men compared to the over-30s.

According to the poll carried out by Merlin Strategy for the New Statesman, young women “don’t care for” young men, believing the feelings are mutual, and citing an over-focus on sexual motivation and a lack of care about political issues, with women aged between 18 and 30 found to be the most progressive demographic in the UK by far.

The research found that young women are 26 percentage points less likely to feel positively about capitalism compared to young men.

They were also found to be much less likely to believe the economy works in their favour and far more pessimistic about their own and others’ futures. Even though young men are more likely to be unemployed, it is young women who are 21 points less likely to believe they will earn more than their parents.

And more privileged women were found to be the most pessimistic of all, with women in middle-class professions less likely to believe they are valued by society or that they will succeed in life when they work hard than their working-class counterparts.

Under-25s were also found to be twice as likely not to want children as young men, and said they feared the prospect of being pressured into having babies by a Reform UK government.

Just 35 per cent of women under 25 hold a positive view of men, according to a poll by the New Statesman
Just 35 per cent of women under 25 hold a positive view of men, according to a poll by the New Statesman (Getty/iStock)
When asked how she felt about the boys she knew, a girl called Ruby told the New Statesman: “I don’t care for them. They’re not bad people, but they refuse to call out their friends who make other girls uncomfortable. They’ll laugh at jokes that are sexist, racist, homophobic; they don’t care about political issues… I don’t think they like women a lot... I feel like a lot of it is quite sexually motivated with men.” She said men would only discuss subjects such as toxic misogyny if they fancied her.

The group of young women she was with all agreed they would not date a man with different politics, with one telling the publication: “I don’t think I’d even be friends with one. They don’t see you as human.”

Evelyn was the only one to admit having male friends and shared her concerns about what content they were consuming online. “The stuff that’s being said about women is crazy,” she told the New Statesman. “They’re getting all these reels, talking about, like, bad stuff about women. And I get reels of women saying bad stuff about men. I try to think, not all men are like this, but.......
 
100% of women base their opinion of men on their experience with men they have chosen'

The survey merely reflects the decision makin process of women. (65% of women do not have negative impressions)

seems fair.
1/3 of all people make really bad choices

it could be that 1/3 of all women choose the same 10% of men that are dysfunctional

oh wait . . . 65% of women have negative impressions.
that makes more sense because a lot more than 1/3 of the women I know make really bad decisions.
 
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Dd at almost 30 has had a hard time finding a "real man." She doesn't want one that needs a stuffy at night or his mommy....or one that asks her about "sexy time" on a first date. If they're not one of the above categories they're druggies or drunks she says.
So she has a dog.......he doesn't drink or do drugs, adores her, and is willing to protect her.
 
It seems like most women spend a lot of time evaluating members of the opposite sex
and then choose the wrong ones to have sex with
at closing time
only to wake up the next morning with someone she never met that is hung over.

and then thinking all me are like that guy
 
See, now here's where the generational war comes into play. The Boomers were too busy with their "careers" to be able to nurture and teach GenX life skills, and expected the guv school system to do it. The GenX were too busy trying to keep a roof over our heads while trying to raise families that we had no choice but to hand our children over to guv schools, meaning we didn't pass on any skills either to the Millennials. Mllenials are fighting to keep their heads above water, and are lucky because someone put instructions for skills on YouTube, so they learned some stuff, but their GenZ children are still in public school and are not learning those skills alongside their parents. Now GenZ is not equipped to pass down any skills to Gen Alpha.

I have a unique perspective on this as I'm GenX, Hubby is Millennial, Weebit is GenZ, and Son is Gen Alpha. My parents were Silents, though, and still didn't pass down skills because they worked long hours to keep up their lifestyle - up to date cars, pool in the back, 4 bdrm house on 5 acres in the middle of town, Mom's walk-in closet of fashion... Hubby's parents were Boomers, though, and although his mom knew how to garden and preserve, she didn't teach him that. Hubby's dad was a mailman who ignored his children unless he was punishing them for something.

In conclusion, young men are not the men they are supposed to be because previous generations have failed them. Just because you might have passed on skills doesn't mean others in your age group did. I only have the skills I have because I found out how online... except knitting. Mushroom taught me that.
 
I have to wonder how many of those that think the entire male gender is worthless and dangerous formed that opinion from personal experience or from what they were told. Speaking as a female, as in most everything in life, there are the good and the bad. There ARE adult males out there who are strong, loving, delightful providers. There are also douche bags. And sometimes, it's difficult to tell the difference until you get to know them. There are also loving, nurturing, fierce and entertaining females. But there are also some harpy bitches, who need to be avoided. To go on record and say ALL of one gender should be thought worthless is pretty immature. I'll give these youngsters a few more years to actually mature in the real world and then I would like to know their opinions.

A large chunk of the blame for this IMHO, belongs to social media. All these influencers are posting a lifestyle that would be impossible to achieve and maintain as a single person and very hard to maintain as a couple. In my search for the perfect homemade pumpkin spice creamer, I'm scrolling and viewing videos that portray these young (in their 20's), thin women with their nails, hair and makeup done to perfection. They are usually dressed in all white, "cooking" in their perfectly clean all white kitchens. Sometimes, when they go out, they let you see their perfectly adorable baby, who is contently sitting in their little car seat placed in their brand new $70K Lincoln Navigator. Other than content creating, which apparently pretty lucrative, there is no partner or job reveled. Real people do not wear white to prepare anything, their hair is probably in a bun on top of the head, the kitchen does not look like a photo shoot for House Beautiful and most likely the baby is screaming at the top of their lungs because all they want is someone to hold them. This is not real life, but it does put ideas into one's head. I admit, I've fallen for a few myself. Why else would I have that bottle of Pumpkin Spice Dawn Powerwash sitting next to my sink? I generally prefer a big sink of hot soapy water for my cleaning needs.
 
Cag3db1rd said:
See, now here's where the generational war comes into play. The Boomers were too busy with their "careers" to be able to nurture and teach GenX life skills, and expected the guv school system to do it. The GenX were too busy trying to keep a roof over our heads while trying to raise families that we had no choice but to hand our children over to guv schools, meaning we didn't pass on any skills either to the Millennials. Mllenials are fighting to keep their heads above water, and are lucky because someone put instructions for skills on YouTube, so they learned some stuff, but their GenZ children are still in public school and are not learning those skills alongside their parents. Now GenZ is not equipped to pass down any skills to Gen Alpha.

I have a unique perspective on this as I'm GenX, Hubby is Millennial, Weebit is GenZ, and Son is Gen Alpha. My parents were Silents, though, and still didn't pass down skills because they worked long hours to keep up their lifestyle - up to date cars, pool in the back, 4 bdrm house on 5 acres in the middle of town, Mom's walk-in closet of fashion... Hubby's parents were Boomers, though, and although his mom knew how to garden and preserve, she didn't teach him that. Hubby's dad was a mailman who ignored his children unless he was punishing them for something.

In conclusion, young men are not the men they are supposed to be because previous generations have failed them. Just because you might have passed on skills doesn't mean others in your age group did. I only have the skills I have because I found out how online... except knitting. Mushroom taught me that.
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Dont forget the guv run schools did their best to indoctrinate the hell out of all of them.
 
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Josie said:
I have to wonder how many of those that think the entire male gender is worthless and dangerous formed that opinion from personal experience or from what they were told. Speaking as a female, as in most everything in life, there are the good and the bad. There ARE adult males out there who are strong, loving, delightful providers. There are also douche bags. And sometimes, it's difficult to tell the difference until you get to know them. There are also loving, nurturing, fierce and entertaining females. But there are also some harpy bitches, who need to be avoided. To go on record and say ALL of one gender should be thought worthless is pretty immature. I'll give these youngsters a few more years to actually mature in the real world and then I would like to know their opinions.

A large chunk of the blame for this IMHO, belongs to social media. All these influencers are posting a lifestyle that would be impossible to achieve and maintain as a single person and very hard to maintain as a couple. In my search for the perfect homemade pumpkin spice creamer, I'm scrolling and viewing videos that portray these young (in their 20's), thin women with their nails, hair and makeup done to perfection. They are usually dressed in all white, "cooking" in their perfectly clean all white kitchens. Sometimes, when they go out, they let you see their perfectly adorable baby, who is contently sitting in their little car seat placed in their brand new $70K Lincoln Navigator. Other than content creating, which apparently pretty lucrative, there is no partner or job reveled. Real people do not wear white to prepare anything, their hair is probably in a bun on top of the head, the kitchen does not look like a photo shoot for House Beautiful and most likely the baby is screaming at the top of their lungs because all they want is someone to hold them. This is not real life, but it does put ideas into one's head. I admit, I've fallen for a few myself. Why else would I have that bottle of Pumpkin Spice Dawn Powerwash sitting next to my sink? I generally prefer a big sink of hot soapy water for my cleaning needs.
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Social media and the way tech has been used in general, has hosed society.
The path of least resistance compounded more and more as we advance technologically it seems...and human nature does what it does.
 
Blaming previous generations for not parenting and teaching life skills, is surely the case for SOME individuals. But not ALL. When I had 4 kids, they were all taught the same things - but not all of them, took the lessons as successfully.

Yes, in general, parents being involved in teaching their kids life skills (and encouraging learning in general) has dropped WAY down. And kids are more confused than ever, if the parent's "reality" and what they're taught in school are 180 degrees opposed.
 
I've never considered or paid much attention to either men or women generically as a class.
I've always given women deference because they might have a small life in them.
And then they entered the workplace and they became just another competitor.
But individually . . . not as a group.
 
most of the skills you need today did not exist for your parents to teach you.

there are going to be new skills, that do not exist "right now", that will exist tomorrow.
You failed to teach your offspring those skills, you evil parent.
 
raven said:
most of the skills you need today did not exist for your parents to teach you.

there are going to be new skills, that do not exist "right now", that will exist tomorrow.
You failed to teach your offspring those skills, you evil parent.
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DD and I were just talking about this yesterday. She was hoping she had given dgd "enough" to be successful in school. I told her I thought she was doing a great job.
But you know this quote is true. I didn't teach mine social media skills, my Grannie's parents didn't teach her to drive. She learned in her late 50's. When she was young there was one maybe two cars in town.
I think we do the best we can with what we have and we should be fostering a love of learning in them because if they won't learn they won't grow.
 
Josie said:
I have to wonder how many of those that think the entire male gender is worthless and dangerous formed that opinion from personal experience or from what they were told. Speaking as a female, as in most everything in life, there are the good and the bad. There ARE adult males out there who are strong, loving, delightful providers. There are also douche bags. And sometimes, it's difficult to tell the difference until you get to know them. There are also loving, nurturing, fierce and entertaining females. But there are also some harpy bitches, who need to be avoided. To go on record and say ALL of one gender should be thought worthless is pretty immature. I'll give these youngsters a few more years to actually mature in the real world and then I would like to know their opinions.

A large chunk of the blame for this IMHO, belongs to social media. All these influencers are posting a lifestyle that would be impossible to achieve and maintain as a single person and very hard to maintain as a couple. In my search for the perfect homemade pumpkin spice creamer, I'm scrolling and viewing videos that portray these young (in their 20's), thin women with their nails, hair and makeup done to perfection. They are usually dressed in all white, "cooking" in their perfectly clean all white kitchens. Sometimes, when they go out, they let you see their perfectly adorable baby, who is contently sitting in their little car seat placed in their brand new $70K Lincoln Navigator. Other than content creating, which apparently pretty lucrative, there is no partner or job reveled. Real people do not wear white to prepare anything, their hair is probably in a bun on top of the head, the kitchen does not look like a photo shoot for House Beautiful and most likely the baby is screaming at the top of their lungs because all they want is someone to hold them. This is not real life, but it does put ideas into one's head. I admit, I've fallen for a few myself. Why else would I have that bottle of Pumpkin Spice Dawn Powerwash sitting next to my sink? I generally prefer a big sink of hot soapy water for my cleaning needs.
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Real American men go shirtless when making Sicilian gravy. Real American women have no problem with it, as they aren't cooking that day. Fake American men and women go to Olive Garden.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-vc-jvRDP8
 
The skills I'm talking about existed. When hubby and I got married 20 years ago, his skills were as a cashier at WM. With no help from his dad, he now knows welding, lumberjacking, carpentry, plumbing, electrical, machining, blacksmithing, and car repair. He learned it all from books, online, and a few classes at the local tech school.
 
ginnie6 said:
DD and I were just talking about this yesterday. She was hoping she had given dgd "enough" to be successful in school. I told her I thought she was doing a great job.
But you know this quote is true. I didn't teach mine social media skills, my Grannie's parents didn't teach her to drive. She learned in her late 50's. When she was young there was one maybe two cars in town.
I think we do the best we can with what we have and we should be fostering a love of learning in them because if they won't learn they won't grow.
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This is all very true. It's also why advice about getting a job is generally so woefully inadequate. Every recommendation worked great for several years ago's conditions.
 
Cag3db1rd said:
See, now here's where the generational war comes into play. The Boomers were too busy with their "careers" to be able to nurture and teach GenX life skills, and expected the guv school system to do it. The GenX were too busy trying to keep a roof over our heads while trying to raise families that we had no choice but to hand our children over to guv schools, meaning we didn't pass on any skills either to the Millennials. Mllenials are fighting to keep their heads above water, and are lucky because someone put instructions for skills on YouTube, so they learned some stuff, but their GenZ children are still in public school and are not learning those skills alongside their parents. Now GenZ is not equipped to pass down any skills to Gen Alpha.

I have a unique perspective on this as I'm GenX, Hubby is Millennial, Weebit is GenZ, and Son is Gen Alpha. My parents were Silents, though, and still didn't pass down skills because they worked long hours to keep up their lifestyle - up to date cars, pool in the back, 4 bdrm house on 5 acres in the middle of town, Mom's walk-in closet of fashion... Hubby's parents were Boomers, though, and although his mom knew how to garden and preserve, she didn't teach him that. Hubby's dad was a mailman who ignored his children unless he was punishing them for something.

In conclusion, young men are not the men they are supposed to be because previous generations have failed them. Just because you might have passed on skills doesn't mean others in your age group did. I only have the skills I have because I found out how online... except knitting. Mushroom taught me that.
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I can't argue what your saying.. GenX here who has a 10 and 12 year old.. I'll be 50 on Sunday.
I see it though, and sacrifice everything to have the time to spend around them. Am l lucky that we talk a lot, they also listen and come back with questions..
Saddens me to watch all this fall apart..

Todays talk in the car from school was exactly how crappy new cars are. My truck is 21 years old, just hit 210k.. On the other side of the family/the other week, they have a expensive newer car, I guess it is in the shop a lot, thats what started the convo.. My little guys are already seeing it.. They also see through the nonsense at public ed. They are so eager to learn and they want to learn real things..

I worry they will struggle with relating to their peers because of experiences and knowledge..
 
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