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OT/MISC Olympic Champ Simone Biles Out of Team Finals - UPDATE - now withdrawing from individual events as well
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The Hammer
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You know, I can understand an instance like this, a mental breakdown in the midst of incredible pressure in an individual performance sport that demands a huge level of focus, effort, and skill.
But what I can also see happening is this becoming a "thing". ESPN had a headline today that we need to make mental health more important than gold medals.
While I agree that mental health is WAY more important long-term than temporary sports achievements, what we definitely do not need, but may easily soon see, is a large number of snowflakes up and abandoning their teams because they needed some "me time".
Imagine the closer running off the mound in the 9th, or a QB just walking off during a big moment, because they couldn't handle it. It could happen, and ESPN would celebrate it.
But what I can also see happening is this becoming a "thing". ESPN had a headline today that we need to make mental health more important than gold medals.
While I agree that mental health is WAY more important long-term than temporary sports achievements, what we definitely do not need, but may easily soon see, is a large number of snowflakes up and abandoning their teams because they needed some "me time".
Imagine the closer running off the mound in the 9th, or a QB just walking off during a big moment, because they couldn't handle it. It could happen, and ESPN would celebrate it.
I've watched Simone several times in prior years. And, yes, her skills are even more than amazing. At the Olympic trials, she was beginning to have a few stumbles on some of the differing events. I think that was the start. After the balance beam in the trials, for example, she was literally in tears because she made mistakes.
So, here's my overview. She is used to winning. She may now be getting to the point that her performance is tapering off in some areas and others are performing better. With all the pressure put upon her...whether from outside or inside...I think it has reached the crisis level for her.
BUT, this is a team. If she is not injured and able to compete, she should. Those other young women were counting on her. If she can't compete for the team medals, she should not be allowed to compete for individual medals. Simple as that.
So, here's my overview. She is used to winning. She may now be getting to the point that her performance is tapering off in some areas and others are performing better. With all the pressure put upon her...whether from outside or inside...I think it has reached the crisis level for her.
BUT, this is a team. If she is not injured and able to compete, she should. Those other young women were counting on her. If she can't compete for the team medals, she should not be allowed to compete for individual medals. Simple as that.
I take my previous post back. I heard more stuff and it was because of her mental state. It was sorta unclear in the interview that I saw. The Olympics are just not what they used to be. The entire thing has gotten ridiculous. Did you know that 3 on 3 (basketball type game) is now an Olympic sport? Really? Anyway, back to ignoring it the best I can while DH watches bits and pieces.
I guess I'm missing something here.
I reread the OP...
Injured, Doc, wrapped leg-for all we know her Doc told her not to continue.
Then there is some rumored bullshit by ABC....ABC, really? Oh that's right=she gets injured, toughing out the pain and the Whackadoodle "Reporter" asks her how she is doing and she says she has some Emotional thing-well, no shit Sherlock. Come to the Games to kick ass and get pulled by an injury? How would you feel?
Everyone here keeps saying she is somehow "Weak" or "Emotionally unstable" sort-of-thing...because what? The Lesbian Soccar player hates America? The Women's Weightlifter Champ is a Dude?
I'm really missing something here. I know a bit about Biles because FL follows her and fills me in on her, her wins and such. So, not a Fanboy or anything but nothing I've seen or heard Equals "Emotionally Mental Misfit Wokianist' in her case.
I reread the OP...
Injured, Doc, wrapped leg-for all we know her Doc told her not to continue.
Then there is some rumored bullshit by ABC....ABC, really? Oh that's right=she gets injured, toughing out the pain and the Whackadoodle "Reporter" asks her how she is doing and she says she has some Emotional thing-well, no shit Sherlock. Come to the Games to kick ass and get pulled by an injury? How would you feel?
Everyone here keeps saying she is somehow "Weak" or "Emotionally unstable" sort-of-thing...because what? The Lesbian Soccar player hates America? The Women's Weightlifter Champ is a Dude?
I'm really missing something here. I know a bit about Biles because FL follows her and fills me in on her, her wins and such. So, not a Fanboy or anything but nothing I've seen or heard Equals "Emotionally Mental Misfit Wokianist' in her case.
I feel she had a huge amount of courage to openly say it a mental issue not a physical one.
In the interview I read she said she wasn’t in the right head space and couldn’t visualize the move she wanted to do and was thankful she landed safely. And in this sport the consequence of not being in the right headspace is broken neck or a shattered body.
In the interview I read she said she wasn’t in the right head space and couldn’t visualize the move she wanted to do and was thankful she landed safely. And in this sport the consequence of not being in the right headspace is broken neck or a shattered body.
artichoke
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OK my wife was watching highlights so I watched too. And I don't think it's an injury and I don't think it's mental. I think it's that her body is changing from a girl to a woman. Black women typically have large hips and breasts. She's probably starting to add weight in those areas. Not many pounds, but just a little bit makes enough of a difference.
Her balance and timing are off, different than she's been used to for years. She still jumps almost as high as ever, but she doesn't land quite where she expects.
It's unfortunate that she didn't adjust sufficiently in training, but apparently she did not.
Her balance and timing are off, different than she's been used to for years. She still jumps almost as high as ever, but she doesn't land quite where she expects.
It's unfortunate that she didn't adjust sufficiently in training, but apparently she did not.
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night driver
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And before folks say yer so way wrong, gotta point out the applied physics involved in flying the way she does, it would only take 6-12 OUNCES in the wrong place to screw up her vaults.
while it IS M(V^2), there are 3 DIFFERENT angular vectors in her vaults that can get out of whack.
And BULL BOAS it isn't an injury. She TOASTED that landing and did it with the muscles of that leg twisting out and controlling her so she did NOT fall. go back and watch her Vasti muscles twist and ripple in two directions pulling against each other. And she HELD it. THAT is the mark of a Pro (oh wait HIGH FUNCTIONING AMATEUR CHAMPION!
while it IS M(V^2), there are 3 DIFFERENT angular vectors in her vaults that can get out of whack.
And BULL BOAS it isn't an injury. She TOASTED that landing and did it with the muscles of that leg twisting out and controlling her so she did NOT fall. go back and watch her Vasti muscles twist and ripple in two directions pulling against each other. And she HELD it. THAT is the mark of a Pro (oh wait HIGH FUNCTIONING AMATEUR CHAMPION!
Hermantribe
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I think Simone has made a decision to let the team perform without her, and save her herself for the individual competition next week. It's probably her last shot, and she can go out on top. The more she does, the more chance for injuries, so backing off and waiting for the individual competition is a planned decision on her part. Or she's hiding an injury, or she wants the Russians to THINK she's injured.
Meemur
Voice on the Prairie
That might also be the underlying factor in her mental state, too.
She takes Ritalin for ADHD. This drug is banned in Japan and other athletes are not allowed to use it without a medical exemption. While she may really have ADHD, the use of that drug has given her an edge over other gymnasts. There was a move in April to get the Japanese to allow athletes to bring banned substances into the country. I have not been able to find out what the Japanese decided. There is a chance they allowed athletes to bring in a small number of pills. If Simone looks like a completely different person on Thursday, then it means she saved her small pill stash (again, if she has any of the drug at all) for the individual events at the expensive of the team competition.
This was not a problem in 2016 because she was able to bring Ritalin into Brazil for the Rio games.
The USAG had to know about her Ritalin and Japan's ban on bringing it into the country. Did they put her on the team and fly her to Japan hoping that she would be OK without the drug? Japan does allow the use of the drug Concerta for ADHD. Is she now on that drug but it's not working as well for her?
I'm guessing we will never know the answers to these questions because it draws too much attention to her use of a performance enhancing substance.
This was not a problem in 2016 because she was able to bring Ritalin into Brazil for the Rio games.
The USAG had to know about her Ritalin and Japan's ban on bringing it into the country. Did they put her on the team and fly her to Japan hoping that she would be OK without the drug? Japan does allow the use of the drug Concerta for ADHD. Is she now on that drug but it's not working as well for her?
I'm guessing we will never know the answers to these questions because it draws too much attention to her use of a performance enhancing substance.
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She’s now starting to withdraw from individual events as well. The all-around today. That leaves 4 events left in which she might participate. Any bets on whether she withdraws from everything?
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
The young lady is hurting. She is not telling anyone outside her CLOSE circle of friends WHERE or HOW she is hurting but she hurts, and I feel for her.
The reality will show out over the next few weeks, I suspect.
The reality will show out over the next few weeks, I suspect.
Southside
Has No Timebombs, Lives on Life
You KNOW it's coming!
To me, it seems to be a drug issue related to ADHD. They don't allow Ritalin in Japan. Did they smuggle enough for a few events? Has she been switched to concerta ( which takes two weeks to kick in)? Some people complain that concerta causes confusion, dizziness, shaking, loss of sleep and general loss of focus and agitation.
I was very concerned the other day when she had to have help putting on her jacket. She couldn't find the arm hole. She was shaking. This is a woman with nerves of steel. Not her first rodeo. Very concerning.
cliff dweller
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Former gymnasts explain the dreaded 'twisties' that prompted Simone Biles to withdraw
The "twisties" can hit any gymnast at any time—even the best in the world at the most inopportune moment—and they're incredibly dangerous.
www.upworthy.com
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"Former gymnasts explain the dreaded 'twisties' that prompted Simone Biles to withdraw
Annie Reneau07.28.21
Former gymnasts explain the dreaded 'twisties' that prompted Simone Biles to withdraw
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Since Simone Biles backed out of the team final at the Tokyo Olympics two days ago, the question everyone's been asking is "What the heck happened?"
After two botched vaults, Biles took herself out of the competition, later saying, "I had no idea where I was in the air."
Former gymnasts recognized her wording and have taken to social media to explain a condition known as "the twisties." On a basic level, the twisties is a mental state where your muscle memory shuts down in the air mid-twist. It can happen to any gymnast at any time, but is more likely under intense pressure. It might seem like a mental block is not something that could happen to the unrivaled Simone Biles, who routinely performs incredibly well under pressure, but brains are fickle things."
....there is more.. at the link... Having difficulty copy pasting it all avoiding ads and all....
It's an act of wisdom to acknowledge when you're faced with a limitation out of your control, and an act of courage to sacrifice a dream in order to protect your well-being as well as your teammates. Good for Simone Biles for setting an example to other athletes to know when it's time to call it.
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DH was watching the NBC coverage this morning. NBC says she's out for mental issues. The reporter asked her how she's doing physically and she said she's fine. Then asked her about how she's doing mentally and she mentioned she was not as good emotionally and the reporter than ran with it afterwards. (If she had a strain and can't compete, she's not "broken" and will be fine, but of course she's disappointed. Idiots.) That was slanderous as far as I'm concerned. Can't trust the media on any subject!
Edited to add: I was wrong. The interview I saw was ambivalent, but I have heard about her interview with some other outlet and evidently it was because of mental issues. Sometimes, you can't trust poster's rants, either.
She's just realizing her "career" had a best used by date. She's not the bestest athlete in the world anymore. Deflate that ego and deal with the pain.
I've read some interviews with the greats over the years and all of them said there was a point they had to come to when they had to accept that it was over and then they had to figure out what to do with the rest of their lives. She's 24. Time to grow up and realize that gymnastics is a sport, not the meaning of life.
TidesofTruth
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Wokeness is demoralizing to everyone - Those who are woke and those who have to listen to their wokeness.
TidesofTruth
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And yet Jesse Owens, in Berlin, In front of Hitler and 10s of thousands of Nazi's - NAILED IT!!
cry me a river.
marymonde
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Let the dust settle before making any judgment. I’ve read she was being judged differently (lower), on purpose. She’s so much better than the other competitors that the consensus was other women would try to do what she does, and get hurt. Never mind she worked her butt off to get where she is, and that a lot of money was made off of her endorsing products. It’s reminiscent of my daughter’s, a straight A student, 5th grade science class 25 years ago. She was being lumped into a group with 3 boys who didn’t care if they did projects well or not. She received group grades of C’s and D’s because she was doing all the work while they did nada. I told the principal she was teaching communism and now my daughter didn’t care to excel anymore. Yes, I pulled her out of school and homeschooled her. I wasn’t going to allow my daughter, who was crying everyday, to be cheated out of her rightful grade.
With that being said, if this proves to be accurate of what they were doing to Biles, I’m glad she pulled out. Can you imagine the mental strain knowing how hard you worked and then being penalised for it? The next Olympics they’ll be giving all the women gymnasts gold medals, even the trans.
Here’s two bits of info I’ve come across to consider. I’d say give her the benefit of the doubt until things become clearer. I’d hate to be judged on the spot on anything without all the facts being known.
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With that being said, if this proves to be accurate of what they were doing to Biles, I’m glad she pulled out. Can you imagine the mental strain knowing how hard you worked and then being penalised for it? The next Olympics they’ll be giving all the women gymnasts gold medals, even the trans.
Here’s two bits of info I’ve come across to consider. I’d say give her the benefit of the doubt until things become clearer. I’d hate to be judged on the spot on anything without all the facts being known.
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marymonde
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Continued....
“This realization I had about Simone Biles is gonna make some people mad, but oh well.
Yesterday I was excited to show my daughters Kerri Strug's famous one-leg vault. It was a defining Olympic moment that I watched live as a kid, and my girls watched raptly as Strug fell, and then limped back to leap again.
But for some reason I wasn't as inspired watching it this time. In fact, I felt a little sick. Maybe being a father and teacher has made me soft, but all I could see was how Kerri Strug looked at her coach, Bela Karolyi, with pleading, terrified eyes, while he shouted back "You can do it!" over and over again.
My daughters didn't cheer when Strug landed her second vault. Instead they frowned in concern as she collapsed in agony and frantic tears.
"Why did she jump again if she was hurt?" one of my girls asked. I made some inane reply about the heart of a champion or Olympic spirit, but in the back of my mind a thought was festering:
*She shouldn't have jumped again*
The more the thought echoed, the stronger my realization became. Coach Karolyi should have gotten his visibly injured athlete medical help immediately! Now that I have two young daughters in gymnastics, I expect their safety to be the coach's number one priority. Instead, Bela Karolyi told Strug to vault again. And he got what he wanted; a gold medal that was more important to him than his athlete's health.
I'm sure people will say "Kerri Strug was a competitor--she WANTED to push through the injury." That's probably true. But since the last Olympics we've also learned these athletes were put into positions where they could be systematically abused both emotionally and physically, all while being inundated with "win at all costs" messaging. A teenager under those conditions should have been protected, and told "No medal is worth the risk of permanent injury." In fact, we now know that Strug's vault wasn't even necessary to clinch the gold; the U.S. already had an insurmountable lead. Nevertheless, Bela Karolyi told her to vault again according to his own recounting of their conversation:
"I can't feel my leg," Strug told Karolyi.
"We got to go one more time," Karolyi said. "Shake it out."
"Do I have to do this again?" Strug asked.
"Can you, can you?" Karolyi wanted to know.
"I don't know yet," said Strug. "I will do it. I will, I will."
The injury forced Strug's retirement at 18 years old. Dominique Moceanu, a generational talent, also retired from injuries shortly after. They were top gymnasts literally pushed to the breaking point, and then put out to pasture. Coach Karolyi and Larry Nassar (the serial sexual abuser) continued their long careers, while the athletes were treated as a disposable resource.
Today Simone Biles--the greatest gymnast of all time--chose to step back from the competition, citing concerns for mental and physical health. I've already seen comments and posts about how Biles "failed her country", "quit on us", or "can't be the greatest if she can't handle the pressure." Those statements are no different than Coach Karolyi telling an injured teen with wide, frightened eyes: "We got to go one more time. Shake it out."
The subtext here is: "Our gold medal is more important than your well-being."
Our athletes shouldn't have to destroy themselves to meet our standards. If giving empathetic, authentic support to our Olympians means we'll earn less gold medals, I'm happy to make that trade.
Here's the message I hope we can send to Simone Biles: You are an outstanding athlete, a true role model, and a powerful woman. Nothing will change that. Please don't sacrifice your emotional or physical well-being for our entertainment or national pride. We are proud of you for being brave enough to compete, and proud of you for having the wisdom to know when to step back. Your choice makes you an even better example to our daughters than you were before. WE'RE STILL ROOTING FOR YOU!”
“This realization I had about Simone Biles is gonna make some people mad, but oh well.
Yesterday I was excited to show my daughters Kerri Strug's famous one-leg vault. It was a defining Olympic moment that I watched live as a kid, and my girls watched raptly as Strug fell, and then limped back to leap again.
But for some reason I wasn't as inspired watching it this time. In fact, I felt a little sick. Maybe being a father and teacher has made me soft, but all I could see was how Kerri Strug looked at her coach, Bela Karolyi, with pleading, terrified eyes, while he shouted back "You can do it!" over and over again.
My daughters didn't cheer when Strug landed her second vault. Instead they frowned in concern as she collapsed in agony and frantic tears.
"Why did she jump again if she was hurt?" one of my girls asked. I made some inane reply about the heart of a champion or Olympic spirit, but in the back of my mind a thought was festering:
*She shouldn't have jumped again*
The more the thought echoed, the stronger my realization became. Coach Karolyi should have gotten his visibly injured athlete medical help immediately! Now that I have two young daughters in gymnastics, I expect their safety to be the coach's number one priority. Instead, Bela Karolyi told Strug to vault again. And he got what he wanted; a gold medal that was more important to him than his athlete's health.
I'm sure people will say "Kerri Strug was a competitor--she WANTED to push through the injury." That's probably true. But since the last Olympics we've also learned these athletes were put into positions where they could be systematically abused both emotionally and physically, all while being inundated with "win at all costs" messaging. A teenager under those conditions should have been protected, and told "No medal is worth the risk of permanent injury." In fact, we now know that Strug's vault wasn't even necessary to clinch the gold; the U.S. already had an insurmountable lead. Nevertheless, Bela Karolyi told her to vault again according to his own recounting of their conversation:
"I can't feel my leg," Strug told Karolyi.
"We got to go one more time," Karolyi said. "Shake it out."
"Do I have to do this again?" Strug asked.
"Can you, can you?" Karolyi wanted to know.
"I don't know yet," said Strug. "I will do it. I will, I will."
The injury forced Strug's retirement at 18 years old. Dominique Moceanu, a generational talent, also retired from injuries shortly after. They were top gymnasts literally pushed to the breaking point, and then put out to pasture. Coach Karolyi and Larry Nassar (the serial sexual abuser) continued their long careers, while the athletes were treated as a disposable resource.
Today Simone Biles--the greatest gymnast of all time--chose to step back from the competition, citing concerns for mental and physical health. I've already seen comments and posts about how Biles "failed her country", "quit on us", or "can't be the greatest if she can't handle the pressure." Those statements are no different than Coach Karolyi telling an injured teen with wide, frightened eyes: "We got to go one more time. Shake it out."
The subtext here is: "Our gold medal is more important than your well-being."
Our athletes shouldn't have to destroy themselves to meet our standards. If giving empathetic, authentic support to our Olympians means we'll earn less gold medals, I'm happy to make that trade.
Here's the message I hope we can send to Simone Biles: You are an outstanding athlete, a true role model, and a powerful woman. Nothing will change that. Please don't sacrifice your emotional or physical well-being for our entertainment or national pride. We are proud of you for being brave enough to compete, and proud of you for having the wisdom to know when to step back. Your choice makes you an even better example to our daughters than you were before. WE'RE STILL ROOTING FOR YOU!”
Meemur
Voice on the Prairie
Maybe the shot is stimulating her hormones. Remember that some women were bleeding for days on end.
I suspect the shot has messed up her body and brain.
I wonder if that's the case with others.
Maybe she wasn't given one of the "saline" injections but the real ones.
psychgirl
TB Fanatic
1000 % agree.
She’s just not the same and that’s ok. Let her go , quietly.
She’s smart knowing her own limitations, in my opinion.
There’s something else. On the whirled sNooz tonight, the reporter at one point was sitting on the steps outside some venue. There wasn’t a single person on the outside of the venue. No people even walking by. It looked like a post apocalyptic movie world. The reporter was talking about the “eerie stillness” of the games. Almost, he said, like a monument of an olympics that never was.
That’s how I see it too. No one inside. No one outside. The athletes do their thing in total silence, probably for the first time in their lives. That can’t be good for them.
That’s how I see it too. No one inside. No one outside. The athletes do their thing in total silence, probably for the first time in their lives. That can’t be good for them.
She seems to be blaming her abuse at the hands of Larry Nassar for her mental health problems.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Simone Biles WITHDRAWS from the individual all-around competition
Simone Biles has withdrawn from the individual all-around competition at the Tokyo Olympics 'to focus on her mental health', USA Gymnastics has announced.
Old Gringo
Senior Member
"That’s how I see it too. No one inside. No one outside. The athletes do their thing in total silence, probably for the first time in their lives. That can’t be good for them."
From my perspective an extremely sad terminal sentence.
At an extremely old age (ancient), I have seen very captivating moments in the Olympics.
It seems that somehow everything that is worthwhile gets destroyed.
Perhaps a resurrection is due.
First, gymnasts are generally the most all around physically fit people in almost any sport.
2nd Any Olympian generally has more drive than most here can imagine or ever hope to muster.
3rd They practice their routines thousands of times and work at it mostly in solitude with no audience.
They generally put in more hours than anyone working a normal job.
Even though I don't agree with a lot of their woke ideas, I have the greatest respect for the skill and ability achieved through countless thousands of hours of grueling practice, much of it with only a coach watching or in a lot of cases no one at all.
You have to separate your political feeling about people from your appreciation of the great skill level they manage to achieve. You can't base everything in life on wokeness.
One other thing. When an expert gymnast loses ground awareness, which can happen after an accident, many of their routines can result in permanent paralysis or even death. It is a primal fear a lot have expressed before.
I agree with others that say she has probably aged out of the sport. She would probably make a great coach of aspiring younger gymnasts.
2nd Any Olympian generally has more drive than most here can imagine or ever hope to muster.
3rd They practice their routines thousands of times and work at it mostly in solitude with no audience.
They generally put in more hours than anyone working a normal job.
Even though I don't agree with a lot of their woke ideas, I have the greatest respect for the skill and ability achieved through countless thousands of hours of grueling practice, much of it with only a coach watching or in a lot of cases no one at all.
You have to separate your political feeling about people from your appreciation of the great skill level they manage to achieve. You can't base everything in life on wokeness.
One other thing. When an expert gymnast loses ground awareness, which can happen after an accident, many of their routines can result in permanent paralysis or even death. It is a primal fear a lot have expressed before.
I agree with others that say she has probably aged out of the sport. She would probably make a great coach of aspiring younger gymnasts.
The Hammer
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If this is a good description of what was going on, then it was probably wise to withdraw.Former gymnasts explain the dreaded 'twisties' that prompted Simone Biles to withdraw
The "twisties" can hit any gymnast at any time—even the best in the world at the most inopportune moment—and they're incredibly dangerous.
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"Former gymnasts explain the dreaded 'twisties' that prompted Simone Biles to withdraw
Annie Reneau07.28.21
Former gymnasts explain the dreaded 'twisties' that prompted Simone Biles to withdraw
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Since Simone Biles backed out of the team final at the Tokyo Olympics two days ago, the question everyone's been asking is "What the heck happened?"
After two botched vaults, Biles took herself out of the competition, later saying, "I had no idea where I was in the air."
Former gymnasts recognized her wording and have taken to social media to explain a condition known as "the twisties." On a basic level, the twisties is a mental state where your muscle memory shuts down in the air mid-twist. It can happen to any gymnast at any time, but is more likely under intense pressure. It might seem like a mental block is not something that could happen to the unrivaled Simone Biles, who routinely performs incredibly well under pressure, but brains are fickle things."
....there is more.. at the link... Having difficulty copy pasting it all avoiding ads and all....
It's an act of wisdom to acknowledge when you're faced with a limitation out of your control, and an act of courage to sacrifice a dream in order to protect your well-being as well as your teammates. Good for Simone Biles for setting an example to other athletes to know when it's time to call it.
I've heard of athletes in other sports just losing that certain something all of a sudden, and they're not the same again. It's not pretty, and I can only imagine how frightening it could be in a sport that could pose danger if control is lost.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Anyone here play golf. How about at a high level? Like a couple of thousand bucks a hole??
I thought not.
VERY FEW folks understand the pressures she worked under EVERY DAY.
She came down with a case of the "YIPS", only in HER arena the cost of the "yips" isn't MONEY it IS live whole, live in a wheelchair, or as a vegetable or die.
I thought not.
VERY FEW folks understand the pressures she worked under EVERY DAY.
She came down with a case of the "YIPS", only in HER arena the cost of the "yips" isn't MONEY it IS live whole, live in a wheelchair, or as a vegetable or die.
Sid Vicious
Veteran Member
Its a mental issue plain and simple. She believed her own legend and when she failed on just that one routine it caused a system cascade.
Plain Jane
Just Plain Jane
It cannot have helped the Inspector General's report on how badly the FBI handled the investigation of team physician, Larry Nassar came out just prior to the Olympics. The FBI actually helped cover up the crimes!That could be a bit disorienting. I read that she is the only one of his victims still competing.
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Rank and Vile – Stunning Inspector General Report Shows FBI Facilitating Predator Coach Larry Nassar Rape of U.S. Gymnasts – Worse, The FBI Lied to Investigators and Then The DOJ Refused to Prosecute
July 14, 2021 | sundance | 350 Comments
An absolutely damning Inspector General investigation of FBI conduct in the rape and sexual assault of U.S. Gymnasts reveals how FBI agents facilitated Nassar’s sex crimes by taking no action despite numerous witness statements to them.
Worse yet, the FBI never reported the sexual assaults to local law enforcement… and to top it off, the FBI agents lied during the investigation of their conduct, and the DOJ under AG Bill Barr refused to prosecute the FBI liars.
The entire IG report [Must Read pdf Here] reveals layer-upon-layer of FBI wrongdoing, misconduct and false statements in an effort to cover-up their activity when the internal investigation of their conduct began. This report is a total condemnation of the FBI rank and file. It really is quite stunning.
IG Report Excerpt – […] “The OIG found that, despite the extraordinarily serious nature of the allegations and the possibility that Nassar’s conduct could be continuing, senior officials in the FBI Indianapolis Field Office failed to respond to the Nassar allegations with the utmost seriousness and urgency that they deserved and required, made numerous and fundamental errors when they did respond to them, and violated multiple FBI policies.
The Indianapolis Field Office did not undertake any investigative activity until September 2nd, five weeks after the meeting with USA Gymnastics—when they telephonically interviewed one of the three athletes. Further, FBI Indianapolis never interviewed the other two gymnasts who they were told were available to meet with FBI investigators.
This absence of any serious investigative activity was compounded when the Indianapolis Field Office did not transfer the matter to the FBI office (the Lansing Resident Agency), where venue most likely would have existed had evidence been developed to support the potential federal crimes being considered, even though the Indianapolis office had been advised to do so by the USAO and had told USA Gymnastics that the transfer had occurred.
Additionally, the Indianapolis office did not notify state or local authorities of the sexual assault allegations even though it questioned whether there was federal jurisdiction to pursue them. As a result, the Lansing Resident Agency did not learn of the Nassar allegations until over a year after they were first reported to the FBI and then learned of them only from the MSUPD.
Moreover, the FBI conducted no investigative activity in the matter for more than 8 months following the September 2015 interview. During that period of time, as alleged and detailed in numerous civil complaints, Nassar’s sexual assaults continued.” (read full report)
Do not overlook this part:
The FBI responded to the IG report with this statement:
FBI Response to IG – “As the Inspector General made clear in today’s report, this should not have happened. The FBI will never lose sight of the harm that Nassar’s abuse caused. The actions and inactions of certain FBI employees described in the report are inexcusable and a discredit to this organization. The FBI has taken affirmative steps to ensure and has confirmed that those responsible for the misconduct and breach of trust no longer work FBI matters.
Prior to today, the FBI initiated improvements to make sure that serious allegations, such as these, are promptly shared with our law enforcement partners and within the FBI. As a continuation of these efforts, the FBI is fully committed to implementing all of the recommendations made by the Inspector General.
We will take all necessary steps to ensure that the failures of the employees outlined in the report do not happen again.” (link)
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The entire IG report reveals layer-upon-layer of FBI wrongdoing, misconduct and false statements in an effort to cover-up their activity when the internal investigation of their conduct began.
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Rank and Vile – Stunning Inspector General Report Shows FBI Facilitating Predator Coach Larry Nassar Rape of U.S. Gymnasts – Worse, The FBI Lied to Investigators and Then The DOJ Refused to Prosecute
July 14, 2021 | sundance | 350 Comments
An absolutely damning Inspector General investigation of FBI conduct in the rape and sexual assault of U.S. Gymnasts reveals how FBI agents facilitated Nassar’s sex crimes by taking no action despite numerous witness statements to them.
Worse yet, the FBI never reported the sexual assaults to local law enforcement… and to top it off, the FBI agents lied during the investigation of their conduct, and the DOJ under AG Bill Barr refused to prosecute the FBI liars.
The entire IG report [Must Read pdf Here] reveals layer-upon-layer of FBI wrongdoing, misconduct and false statements in an effort to cover-up their activity when the internal investigation of their conduct began. This report is a total condemnation of the FBI rank and file. It really is quite stunning.
IG Report Excerpt – […] “The OIG found that, despite the extraordinarily serious nature of the allegations and the possibility that Nassar’s conduct could be continuing, senior officials in the FBI Indianapolis Field Office failed to respond to the Nassar allegations with the utmost seriousness and urgency that they deserved and required, made numerous and fundamental errors when they did respond to them, and violated multiple FBI policies.
The Indianapolis Field Office did not undertake any investigative activity until September 2nd, five weeks after the meeting with USA Gymnastics—when they telephonically interviewed one of the three athletes. Further, FBI Indianapolis never interviewed the other two gymnasts who they were told were available to meet with FBI investigators.
This absence of any serious investigative activity was compounded when the Indianapolis Field Office did not transfer the matter to the FBI office (the Lansing Resident Agency), where venue most likely would have existed had evidence been developed to support the potential federal crimes being considered, even though the Indianapolis office had been advised to do so by the USAO and had told USA Gymnastics that the transfer had occurred.
Additionally, the Indianapolis office did not notify state or local authorities of the sexual assault allegations even though it questioned whether there was federal jurisdiction to pursue them. As a result, the Lansing Resident Agency did not learn of the Nassar allegations until over a year after they were first reported to the FBI and then learned of them only from the MSUPD.
Moreover, the FBI conducted no investigative activity in the matter for more than 8 months following the September 2015 interview. During that period of time, as alleged and detailed in numerous civil complaints, Nassar’s sexual assaults continued.” (read full report)
Do not overlook this part:
The FBI responded to the IG report with this statement:
FBI Response to IG – “As the Inspector General made clear in today’s report, this should not have happened. The FBI will never lose sight of the harm that Nassar’s abuse caused. The actions and inactions of certain FBI employees described in the report are inexcusable and a discredit to this organization. The FBI has taken affirmative steps to ensure and has confirmed that those responsible for the misconduct and breach of trust no longer work FBI matters.
Prior to today, the FBI initiated improvements to make sure that serious allegations, such as these, are promptly shared with our law enforcement partners and within the FBI. As a continuation of these efforts, the FBI is fully committed to implementing all of the recommendations made by the Inspector General.
We will take all necessary steps to ensure that the failures of the employees outlined in the report do not happen again.” (link)
Bit more about what these girls have gone thru.
She has a lot of pressure, a delayed Okympics, interrupted training due to COVID, a reputation to uphold, a teammate quarantined due to COVID, competing under quarantine conditions AND PTSD from sexual abuse perpetrated by the team doctor. She was probably given a pompous WIN IT FOR THE USA!!!!l lecture by the coaches before the event.
How dangerous is vaulting??
May 1988. Julissa Gomez, a fifteen-year-old American gymnast from San Antonio, was competing at a meet in Japan with hopes of being chosen for the Seoul Olympics. Her coach had her performing the double-twisting Yurchenko Vault, insisting she had to do it in order to be competitive. Julissa was afraid of this vault and didn’t feel ready to compete it, but did under pressure from the coaches.
Julissa ran down the 80 foot runway and took off. Her foot slipped off the springboard and she rammed the vault horse headfirst. Her neck broken, spinal cord severed, Julissa was instantly rendered a quadriplegic, unable to breathe without a respirator. While she was hospitalized in Tokyo, awaiting transfer back to the USA, her respirator hose somehow detached. The hospital revived her but she had irreversible brain damage. She died in 1991, three years after her accident, without ever regaining consciousness. She was less than a month from her 18th birthday.
1998 Goodwill Games. Gymnast Sang Lan, the Chinese National Vault Champion, was warming up for the event when she crashed and broke her neck. Left quadriplegic, she is now a disability rights activist.
Gymnasts have been forced to compete with broken bones, sprains, torn ligaments. They are hounded for their weight. They were ignored and even punished fot trying to complain about Larry Nasser, who was shielded and protected by the national federation.
Simone had the courage to say NO. She didn’t just save her own life. She set an example for all the other gymnasts.
She has won over 30 world championship medals. Five Olympic medals. She has a beam dismount, two floor exercise elements and a vault named after her. She was planning to debut a second new vault at the Olympics.
“How much is a little girl worth?” - Rachel Denhollander at the trial of Larry Nasser
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She has a lot of pressure, a delayed Okympics, interrupted training due to COVID, a reputation to uphold, a teammate quarantined due to COVID, competing under quarantine conditions AND PTSD from sexual abuse perpetrated by the team doctor. She was probably given a pompous WIN IT FOR THE USA!!!!l lecture by the coaches before the event.
How dangerous is vaulting??
May 1988. Julissa Gomez, a fifteen-year-old American gymnast from San Antonio, was competing at a meet in Japan with hopes of being chosen for the Seoul Olympics. Her coach had her performing the double-twisting Yurchenko Vault, insisting she had to do it in order to be competitive. Julissa was afraid of this vault and didn’t feel ready to compete it, but did under pressure from the coaches.
Julissa ran down the 80 foot runway and took off. Her foot slipped off the springboard and she rammed the vault horse headfirst. Her neck broken, spinal cord severed, Julissa was instantly rendered a quadriplegic, unable to breathe without a respirator. While she was hospitalized in Tokyo, awaiting transfer back to the USA, her respirator hose somehow detached. The hospital revived her but she had irreversible brain damage. She died in 1991, three years after her accident, without ever regaining consciousness. She was less than a month from her 18th birthday.
1998 Goodwill Games. Gymnast Sang Lan, the Chinese National Vault Champion, was warming up for the event when she crashed and broke her neck. Left quadriplegic, she is now a disability rights activist.
Gymnasts have been forced to compete with broken bones, sprains, torn ligaments. They are hounded for their weight. They were ignored and even punished fot trying to complain about Larry Nasser, who was shielded and protected by the national federation.
Simone had the courage to say NO. She didn’t just save her own life. She set an example for all the other gymnasts.
She has won over 30 world championship medals. Five Olympic medals. She has a beam dismount, two floor exercise elements and a vault named after her. She was planning to debut a second new vault at the Olympics.
“How much is a little girl worth?” - Rachel Denhollander at the trial of Larry Nasser
The 'frightening' phenomenon Simone Biles experienced before her Olympics withdrawal
The 'frightening' phenomenon Simone Biles experienced before her Olympics withdrawal