Obama BC thing is Not Going Away

Garf

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http://www.newswithviews.com/Stuter/stuter132.htm


THAT DÉJÀ VU FEELING
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By Lynn Stuter
December 2, 2008
NewsWithViews.com

An estimated 67,000,000 Americans, we are told, voted for Barack Hussein Obama on November 4, 2008. A landslide we are told; a mandate for change we are told.

The total population of the United States, according to the 2008 U.S. Census bureau estimates, is approximately 306,000,000. When we compare the number of votes for Obama to the total population, the percent who voted for Obama is 21.9%; hardly a mandate for change; certainly not a mandate for change of the type Comrade Obama has in mind.
In total, an estimated 130,000,000 Americans voted; 42.5% of the total population; more an indication of the apathy that leads to the loss of freedom and destruction of any nation.
Barack Hussein Obama is now, at every opportunity, appearing before the cameras from behind a podium on which appears a sign, “The Office of President-Elect.”
Never heard of the Office of President-Elect before; must be something new. The truth is that this is just another ploy to make Americans believe the election is over. It is far from over.

Barack Hussein Obama does not become President-Elect Obama until the Electoral College meets and votes on December 15, 2008.
More and more Americans are becoming concerned by the fact that Barack Hussein Obama may not be eligible to the office of president. More and more articles are appearing on internet sites concerning this issue. While the mainstream media continually and erroneously refers to the fraudulent document released by the Obama camp as a “birth certificate” and tries to play down the growing concerns with fluff pieces like the one done by Pete Williams of NBC, the fact still remains that Obama has yet to prove his eligibility. Causing further concern is a Hawaiian law that allows for the issuing of birth certificates to individuals who are foreign nationals:
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

On October 31, 2008, Dr Chiyome Fukino, Department of Health, Hawaii, issued a press release in which she stated, in part:
Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
On October 31, 2008, the Associated Press reported the following:
Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
Notice that neither the actual press release nor the Associated Press article state that Obama was born in Hawaii or that he is an American by birth; both items were left to the reader to assume: if there is a birth certificate on file with the State of Hawaii then Obama must be a natural born citizen. That, however, is not an assumption that should be made, considering §338-17.8 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes.

After my last article, I received a couple of responses that bear mention. One response stated the FBI has a file on Barack Obama that proves he is not an American citizen; the other stated that an individual employed by the Hawaii Department of Health came forward, after the “non-answer” press release of Dr Chiyome Fukino, and stated that there were two pieces of paper in the file holding Obama’s birth certificate; that the second piece of paper states Obama was born in Kenya. It is doubtful the FBI would be willing to turn over their file on Obama; and thus far the State of Hawaii has steadfastly refused to give audience to Obama’s vault copy Hawaii birth certificate. Thus neither claim can be substantiated.

Not only has Barack Hussein Obama not produced his vault copy Hawaii birth certificate but the legitimacy of his selective service registration has now come into question. At the aforementioned link, Debbie Schlussel explains why Obama’s selective service registration documents are bogus. According to an article written by Linda Bentley of the Sonoran News,
Failure for men to register with Selective Services before turning 26, even if not prosecuted, will render them ineligible for student financial aid, U.S. citizenship, federal job training, jobs in the executive branch of the federal government and the U.S. Postal Service.

On December 1st and 3rd, a full page Open Letter to Barack Hussein Obama, written by Bob Schulz of We the People Foundation, is scheduled to be published in the Chicago Tribune. The open letter makes apparent the constitutional crisis and chaos that will ensue if this matter is not resolved before January 20, 2009,
1 - You (referring to Barack Obama) would always be viewed by many Americans as a poseur - a usurper.
2 - As a usurper, you would be unable to take the required “Oath or Affirmation” on January 20 without committing the crime of perjury or false swearing, for being ineligible you cannot faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States.
3 - You would be entitled to no allegiance, obedience or support from the People.
4 - The Armed Forces would be under no legal obligation to remain obedient to you.
5 - No civilian in the Executive Branch would be required to obey any of your proclamations, Executive Orders or directives, as such orders would be legally void.
6 - Your appointments of Judges to the Supreme Court would be void.
7 - Congress would not be able to pass any needed legislation because it would not be able to acquire the signature of a bona fide President.
8 - Congress would be unable to remove you, a usurper, from the Office of the President on Impeachment, inviting certain political chaos including a potential for armed conflicts within the General Government or among the States and the People to effect the removal of such a usurper.

Meanwhile, the United States Justice Foundation has thrown down the gauntlet so to speak; they pledge to file lawsuit after lawsuit challenging Obama’s authority if Obama’s eligibility to the office of president is not cleared up before January 20, 2009. The United States Justice Foundation has also filed a lawsuit in California on behalf of Alan Keyes, Wiley S. Drake and Markham Robinson of the American Independent Party concerning Obama’s eligibility to the office of president. The lawsuit seeks to bar the meeting of the Electoral College in California on December 15, 2008, until said time as Obama’s eligibility to the office of president is proven.
In a full page ad, appearing in the Washington Times on November 17, 2008, Phillip Berg, the Pennsylvania attorney whose case now stands before the U.S. Supreme Court, states,
Electors are sworn to uphold it (the Constitution) with their vote on December 15th in the Electoral College. But they must first know for sure that the candidates meet the Constitutional requirements for the office of President beginning with being a natural born citizen.

An article appeared on WorldNetDaily.com on November 24, 2008 entitled, Proofin’ the Prez: Who’s in Charge. According to this article and Herb Titus, constitutional attorney, it is the duty of the electors to investigate the citizenship issue.
With that in mind, and believing that I should do everything within my power to see the question of Obama’s eligibility to the office of president was addressed, I researched and put together a seven page, well-documented paper, complete with clickable links, outlining the problems and the questions concerning Obama’s eligibility to the office of president. I sent the document to my electors whose names I obtained from the Secretary of State’s office. I included a cover letter in which I stated,
A growing number of American citizens are questioning whether president-elect Barack Hussein Obama is eligible to the office of president.

The controversy could be cleared up by Barack Obama producing his legal birth certificate. To date he has refused to do so.
So far several suits have been dismissed nation-wide not on merit but because the court ruled the person or persons did not have standing to bring the suit; they could not show they were damaged by his election.

I am requesting that you examine closely the information provided below before you vote on December 15, 2008. If, after being elected president, Barack Hussein Obama is found to be, in fact, ineligible, the constitutional crisis will be far reaching.

The first duty of every Elector is to the Constitution.
The next morning, I received the following response from one of the Electors:
"I have put you on my spam service. I will NO longer accept mail from you. I have signed an affadavit that I will vote for my parties candidate. You are asking me to go against this affadavit which not only would cause a large monetary fine but would go against the promise I made in Person to well over 1000 people.
In asking me to go against my written pledge which our state requires you are
encourage me to do an illegal thing.
Most of all, I think that President-elect Obama is one of the best things to ever happen to our country. As a life long Democrat and a bi racial son who was killed in action as a soldier; it is my HONOR to cast my electoral vote for him.
As a Christian I ask you not to attempt to correspond now or in the future."

This is exactly as received, name redacted. I, of course, did not respond. My e-mail to this Elector was intended to educate her; either she would choose to be educated or she would choose not to be educated; arguing with her would be of little benefit.

This individual stated her reasons for voting for Barack Hussein Obama. She …
1. thinks that President-elect Obama is one of the best things to ever happen to our country;
2. is a life-long Democrat; and
3. had a bi-racial son who was killed in action as a soldier.
Not one mention of her duty to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America.

As a matter of interest, I researched Washington State law concerning Electors and their pledges. RCW 29A.56.320 states, in part:
Each presidential elector shall execute and file with the secretary of state a pledge that, as an elector, he or she will vote for the candidates nominated by that party.
In the matter of a presidential election, the U.S. Constitution trumps state laws and requirements. That the State of Washington requires this Elector to vote for Obama, irrespective of the fact that he may not be eligible to the office of president, violates the U.S. Constitution. Bluntly speaking, the State of Washington cannot require, nor can a political party require, an Elector to vote for someone whose nomination by their party violates the United States Constitution.
RCW 29A.56.340 makes the authority of the U.S. Constitution over the state constitution or laws apparent:
When all of the electors have appeared and the vacancies have been filled they shall constitute the college of electors of the state of Washington, and shall proceed to perform the duties required of them by the Constitution and laws of the United States.

Despite this Electors pledge, her first duty is to the U.S. Constitution.
For someone who obviously voted for Obama, believing he would end the illegal invasion of Iraq, one has to wonder what her reaction was to the news that Barack Obama plans to retain Bush’s Secretary of Defense, Bob Gates, as his Secretary of Defense.

And so it is with the incoming (maybe) Obama Administration. People are watching on a daily basis as Obama—the man of “change”—appoints more and more Washington insiders and former Clinton cabinet members, aides, etc, to his administration, not to mention Bob Gates as his Secretary of Defense.

The old adage — the more things change, the more they stay the same — comes to mind.

One has to wonder at what point will the Obama supporters get the déjà vu feeling they’ve been deceived by a master manipulator, a smooth talking con man, who is already reneging on campaign promises he knew he couldn’t keep but that sounded good in the name of “change.”
As a no-name, not-important citizen of these United States—one of those little people Obama pledged, time and again, to fight for—I add my voice to that of thousands of other Americans: Barack Hussein Obama, if you have nothing to hide, produce your birth certificate!

© 2008 Lynn M. Stuter - All Rights Reserved
 

seven.sixtwo

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i was talking to my wife about this last night. If he does wind up illigitamate, we get Biden - who is dumber then Obama IMO. after him is Pelosi or Hillary. It's a catch 22. we're screwed either way.
 

Binkerthebear

Veteran Member
i was talking to my wife about this last night. If he does wind up illigitamate, we get Biden - who is dumber then Obama IMO. after him is Pelosi or Hillary. It's a catch 22. we're screwed either way.

Can you believe it ? He might be 'best' of the bunch. Yep, screwed.
 

mbabulldog

Inactive
Not THIS shit again.....

and again, and again, until he provides the documentation showing he is qualified to be our President.

Why shouldn't he have to prove his eligibility, as every other President?

Why won't Obama simply provide his BC, and put all this ugliness behind us?
 

Wise Owl

Deceased
Yes, fl, this again.....why? Because he still has yet to show us that he is a legal citizen and born in the US.

Keep defending him. But I pray that someone somewhere, be it the Supreme Court MAKES him produce the document/s in question. So far, we haven't seen them.
 

GingerN

Veteran Member
As sheeple-esque as this sounds, if he has nothing to hide, he should just allow the B/C to be seen-it would put an end to all of it. Or, he could just show the passport he used on his trip to Pakistan in the early 80's. If it is a foreign passport, then he is not eligible.
 

Karnie

Veteran Member
Not THIS shit again.....

Yes - again and again and again and again and AGAIN until he shows his documents proving he's qualified.

Get used to it, FL - people have a RIGHT to ask for proof. The longer he delays this, the worse for our nation.
 

fruit loop

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He had the thing on display in Chicago, and every other document - his school records, etc - has always shown that he was born in Hawaii. A news org even got the newspaper from the week he was born, showing the birth announcement.

Oh...I forget.....it's not reliable unless you read it on WorldNetDaily.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

fruit loop

Inactive
Alan Keyes is disgruntled.

He's a Reagan clone, making him an ideological rival, and he wanted to mount his own run for prez. He didn't get to be the first black prez, and it pisses him off.

The birth cert isn't all that Keyes wants. He's also tried to get Barack's mother's birth records from the hospital. Despicable.
 

mbo

Membership Revoked
He had the thing on display in Chicago, and every other document - his school records, etc - has always shown that he was born in Hawaii. A news org even got the newspaper from the week he was born, showing the birth announcement.

Could you please provide that link? I''m not aware that he released anything. What you mentioned as to the BC was simply a statement made by a third-party, with no release of anything by Obama himself.



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Witness

Deceased
I will not give up EVER.

I have sworn to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.

Mr. Obama's has refused to provide the court ordered documents.

He has said and proved that he is not qualified to be president.

If the political machine insists on swearing him in, he will not be legitimate and I will question everything he does. I will support all efforts to legally remove him from offfice. And I will assume that those elected and appointed in Washington are corrupt also.
 

skip8

Membership Revoked
There will come a day when the Obama BC story will become The story of the decade, and not able to be filed-away in 'All Things Political'.

Obama's selection is the biggest fraud and crime perpetrated against the American people with the requirement of the willing accomplices in the MSM for it to have happened.

We've been played!

:shkr:
 

CAgdma

Veteran Member
OK: Let's all try to be civilized here, and dispassionately discuss and seek the facts.

And let me say right now, that as a person, I really like Barak Obama. I don't have a crystal ball, so I cannot say that he has the charisma or the experience to lead this country. That being said, I did not vote for him.

Now, besides the Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii, which is not the same thing as the hospital birth certificate, which documents the hospital and the doctor, suppose Obama was born in Hawaii.

If the mother divorced the father, and then married Sotero, in Indonesia, the minor children of that marriage lose their US citizenship, because Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. I think Sotero even adopted Obama.

He went to an Indonesian school. Only Indonesian citizens can go to school in that country.

He went to Pakistan at age 20, with an Indonesian passport. Only Indonesian citizens can have an Indonesian passport. And if he were a US citizen at that time, he could not have gone to Pakistan because it was off limits to US citizens.

Obama talks about going to an Indonesian school, and he talks about going to Pakistan in one of his books.

When he returned to Hawaii, at 18 or so, he was supposed to have taken an oath of allegiance to the US, and that would have restored his citizenship, as the mother had divorced Sotero by then, and had returned to the US.

It is important for these questions to be answered, because if he is not legitimately qualified to be president, then anything he does will not be legal....and then we will not only have constitutional chaos, we will be a ripe and ready target for those who would do us harm.

Plus, there's lots and lots of other documents that he will not release, that other presidents have.

What has this young man got to hide?
 

blackjeep

The end times are here.
OK: Let's all try to be civilized here, and dispassionately discuss and seek the facts.

And let me say right now, that as a person, I really like Barak Obama. I don't have a crystal ball, so I cannot say that he has the charisma or the experience to lead this country. That being said, I did not vote for him.

Now, besides the Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii, which is not the same thing as the hospital birth certificate, which documents the hospital and the doctor, suppose Obama was born in Hawaii.

If the mother divorced the father, and then married Sotero, in Indonesia, the minor children of that marriage lose their US citizenship, because Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. I think Sotero even adopted Obama.

He went to an Indonesian school. Only Indonesian citizens can go to school in that country.

He went to Pakistan at age 20, with an Indonesian passport. Only Indonesian citizens can have an Indonesian passport. And if he were a US citizen at that time, he could not have gone to Pakistan because it was off limits to US citizens.

Obama talks about going to an Indonesian school, and he talks about going to Pakistan in one of his books.

When he returned to Hawaii, at 18 or so, he was supposed to have taken an oath of allegiance to the US, and that would have restored his citizenship, as the mother had divorced Sotero by then, and had returned to the US.

It is important for these questions to be answered, because if he is not legitimately qualified to be president, then anything he does will not be legal....and then we will not only have constitutional chaos, we will be a ripe and ready target for those who would do us harm.

Plus, there's lots and lots of other documents that he will not release, that other presidents have.

What has this young man got to hide?

Are you trying to derail the grand illusion?? :lol:
 

SassyinAZ

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i was talking to my wife about this last night. If he does wind up illigitamate, we get Biden - who is dumber then Obama IMO. after him is Pelosi or Hillary. It's a catch 22. we're screwed either way.

Oh no, it's much more interesting than that, the only way we get Biden is if BO is disqualified after the electoral college votes, if before, another can be selected from the eligible candidates. If after, Biden would be temporary until Congress decides.
 

NC Susan

Deceased
I will not give up EVER.

I have sworn to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.

Mr. Obama's has refused to provide the court ordered documents.

He has said and proved that he is not qualified to be president.

If the political machine insists on swearing him in, he will not be legitimate and I will question everything he does. I will support all efforts to legally remove him from offfice. And I will assume that those elected and appointed in Washington are corrupt also.


Then look at the fraud from Obama's Draft Card Registration.
All documents are one foto-shop-chop after another

Susan
Blue Star Mother
 

Garf

Inactive
He had the thing on display in Chicago, and every other document - his school records, etc - has always shown that he was born in Hawaii. A news org even got the newspaper from the week he was born, showing the birth announcement.

Oh...I forget.....it's not reliable unless you read it on WorldNetDaily.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


Did he also have his bar application, that he lied on as well, on display?
Thought not.
 

fruit loop

Inactive
"Hospital birth" certificates are NOT legally valid.

A hospital cannot issue birth certs (what they often give you is a copy of what they are sending to the state board of health, or a souvenir document) at all. They send information to the state, and the state issues a legal birth cert. The state files copies with the county of birth.

Only state or county issued birth certs are legally valid.
 

Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
fruit loop,
All he has to do is produce an actual birth certificate (not a certificate of live birth). It would be a very simple action for ANYONE that actually has one. You are a smart woman. I cannot believe that you would be so naive as to believe he is a citizen simply because he says so! Say what you will about McCain but he produced anything and everything that was requested of him right down to his last physcial. Obama has done none of that.

Maybe it's because I have raised kids and have learned to be suspicious but I have learned that when someone goes to such extremes to conceal information, there is usually something "interesting" that they are trying to hide. By his inability to produce a legitimate BC and sealing his advanced education records, he is looking a whole lot like a guy who has something to hide.

It's not about privacy. When you run for a public office such as the POTUS, you give up your right to privacy.
 
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