EBOLA Nurse Vinson is "free of virus" while Nurse Nina Pham is still receiving care.

Betty_Rose

Betty_Rose

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Didn't Nina Pham end up in the hospital several days before Nurse Vinson? And yet they're saying that Nurse Vinson is now "virus free"? Meanwhile, Nina Pham's condition has been upgraded from "fair" to "good".

Seems like quite a disparity between the two cases. Color me flummoxed!

http://news.yahoo.com/nurse-amber-vinson-free-of-ebola-virus-family-says-001502702.html

DALLAS – Barely a week after being diagnosed with Ebola, Texas nurse Amber Vinson is free of the deadly virus, her family said Wednesday night.

“We are overjoyed to announce that, as of [Tuesday] evening, officials at Emory University Hospital and the Centers for Disease Control are no longer able to detect virus in her body,” read a statement from a family spokesperson.

Debra Berry, the nurse's mother, is in Dallas under a self-imposed quarantine because she had recently spent time with Vinson. But Berry spoke with her daughter by phone Wednesday evening, according to the statement.

“Amber and our family are ecstatic to receive this latest report on her condition,” Berry said in the statement. “We all know that further treatment will be necessary as Amber continues to regain strength, but these latest developments have truly answered prayers and bring our family one step closer to reuniting with her at home.”

Jason McDonald, a CDC spokesperson, told Yahoo News late Wednesday that he was not aware of Vinson's recovery.

“Healthcare provider will determine by diagnostic whether a patient is free of Ebola virus,” McDonald said in an email. “We have criteria we ask medical staff to meet but the determination is made by medical care provider.”

Vinson, one of two Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital nurses to contract Ebola while treating Thomas Eric Duncan, was diagnosed late on Oct. 14. A day later, the 29-year-old was flown by air ambulance to Atlanta for treatment at Emory, which has specialized unit trained in treating Ebola.

“Amber is steadily regaining her strength and her spirits are high,” read the family statement read. “She has also been approved for transfer from isolation. Amber remains under treatment within Emory's Serious Communicable Diseases Unit. We appreciate everyone for keeping Amber in your thoughts and prayers.”

Vinson's diagnosis prompted Ebola worries from Dallas to Cleveland last week when it was revealed that she had flown commercially in the days before being hospitalized. Her family fended off critics by pointing that health officials had approved her travel plans.​
 
Suzieq

Suzieq

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I heard the Ebola Virus has over 300 mutations to it. If true, that mean difference stands of the Ebola virus is circulating and will effect people in different ways.
 
jazzy

jazzy

Advocate Discernment
a couple days ago i read that the photojournalist was declared ebola free and released too. i was kind of amazed. no mention of what he was treated with. now amber is ebola free, i didnt see what she was treated with. so within what, 10 days or so it cured ebola.

while it certainly is terrific news, and id sure like the believe there is such a miracle drug that got rid of the virus, well, something just seems fishy.

if true id like to hear what it is, how fast it can be produced and how fast it will be sent to west africa.

if true someone came up with a cure for ebola.

i want to hear about the cure because it is stunning news and should be shouted from the rooftops.
 
Bubble Head

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Sounds like they are testing different drugs or have a good one. It doesn't make sense but everyone's metabolism is different. Seems like Pham received a blood transfusion from the Doc that survived as he had antibodies in his blood and Vinson did not. This bit of news will have people guessing.
 
Grimace

Grimace

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raven said:
Just means the cloning process went fine with Vinson.
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She has been assimilated...

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Countrymouse

Countrymouse

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I've been hearing CDC use the phrase "virus-free" ever since the day Brantley was released.

Either they are playing fast and loose with their language or they've discovered some new miracle "cure" for ebola that needs to be shared with the world.

Per their own information, from the WHO, Ebola virus is STILL PRESENT IN A RECOVERED PATIENT'S BODY FLUIDS FOR AT LEAST 90 DAYS. (that includes ALL body fluids---sweat, tears, saliva, blood, and vaginal secretions, as well as semen)

Some studies I've read suggested it can be even longer than that.

Here is the WHO information on that:

Countrymouse said:
Here is the information from WHO (World Health Organization) on how long a person with Ebola still carries the virus in their system and it is still transmissible to others:

Ebola then spreads through human-to-human transmission via direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with the blood, secretions, organs or other bodily fluids of infected people, and with surfaces and materials (e.g. bedding, clothing) contaminated with these fluids.

Health-care workers have frequently been infected while treating patients with suspected or confirmed EVD. This has occurred through close contact with patients when infection control precautions are not strictly practiced.

Burial ceremonies in which mourners have direct contact with the body of the deceased person can also play a role in the transmission of Ebola.

People remain infectious as long as their blood and body fluids, including semen and breast milk, contain the virus. Men who have recovered from the disease can still transmit the virus through their semen for up to 7 weeks after recovery from illness.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/
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celtic-cat

celtic-cat

Senior Member
For purposes of keeping public panic to a minimum and reducing anger at the mismanagement by the CDC, it is more important that the nurse who was given permission to fly commercial by the CDC to be "virus-free". What *I* notice, is that the announcement is coming from the family and not from the hospital, doctors or the CDC.
 
M

momengineer

Senior Member
We know so little about this virus

That it's not surprising that people react differently.

Some in Africa, never contract the disease, leading to theories of natural immunity??
We just don't know much at all about mutations treatments etc
 
N

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
WHere did you get "at least 90 days" from??
Linked and quoted source says up to 7 weeks, which is 49 days last I checked but Common Core might give a different answer.


I can get to 90 by adding in the (up to) 42 days that the virus survives on surfaces IF IT IS IN sera or fluids and then dries on the surfaces, but this STILL doesn't get to "AT LEAST 90 DAYS" as you have above.
 
Dennis Olson

Dennis Olson

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The article in the OP leaves far more UNSAID than said:

- If they're "free of all traces of the Ebola virus", why are they still in the hospital?

- Why are none of them giving interviews?

- Why are none of them being released from their respective hospitals?



You betcha. It's allllll gooooooood.....


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Flippper

Flippper

Time Traveler
Dennis Olson said:
The article in the OP leaves far more UNSAID than said:

- If they're "free of all traces of the Ebola virus", why are they still in the hospital?

- Why are none of them giving interviews?

- Why are none of them being released from their respective hospitals?

You betcha. It's allllll gooooooood.....
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Where my thoughts are going as well. I was on the fence regarding Ebola here, but the recent behavior and sudden lack of information from "officials" has me thinking it's far worse than they want people to believe. From what I understand, Nigeria claims to be Ebola free but only because it's now a jail term if anyone mentions it, and actual Ebola rates are skyrocketing there due to the lack of information. This is exactly what is going to happen here as people let their guard down. Excellent way to cull the herd, IMO.
 
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Nean7

Contributing Member
The most frustrating thing is not knowing what or who to believe. It's so crazy with the lies and deceit that I've become such a pessimist. Well you know what, maybe a realist is a better word and that makes me glad. I feel when crap hits the fan it will truly be a YOYO situation. "Your on your own"
 
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Parakeet

Senior Member
Dennis Olson said:
The article in the OP leaves far more UNSAID than said:

- If they're "free of all traces of the Ebola virus", why are they still in the hospital?

- Why are none of them giving interviews?

- Why are none of them being released from their respective hospitals?



You betcha. It's allllll gooooooood.....


funny-dog-marijuana-field-ball.jpg
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The ramifications of this sends a chill down my spine. The public is being led to believe that not only is it curable, but it's really not that big of a deal if you get sick because, after all, people are being cured of it now. Many people will die or lose loved ones as a direct result of their agenda.

If there was ever any doubt as to how evil our govt. is, their handling and cover-up of the Ebola spread pretty much confirms this fact.
 
Josie

Josie

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Yeah, this has really gotten my BS meter going off. First off it's per the CDC and I should believe them because of...what? And like Dennis said, too many questions are being left unanswered.
 
Countrymouse

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
night driver said:
WHere did you get "at least 90 days" from??
Linked and quoted source says up to 7 weeks, which is 49 days last I checked but Common Core might give a different answer.


I can get to 90 by adding in the (up to) 42 days that the virus survives on surfaces IF IT IS IN sera or fluids and then dries on the surfaces, but this STILL doesn't get to "AT LEAST 90 DAYS" as you have above.
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my goodness, nd----here's some more info, and please see next post as well.

The figure came from reports posted back in the early ebola threads, many of which came from PFI forum. I will see if I can go on there and get a more "scientific" source, but for now perhaps this will content you:



The Ebola virus can remain present in semen for a long time. Experts say it is best for men who are recovering from the disease to avoid sex altogether - or make sure they use a condom - for 90 days.

Figure from Peter Piot, of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, who discovered Ebola in 1976

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29658778
 
Countrymouse

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Studies showing how long ebola lasts in body fluids

Article quoted is Mother Jones---and before everyone flies up and tells me "that's not a scientific source and it's biased!"--please read to the BOTTOM of the post, where I quote the LINKS upon which the MJ article is based. I can post each and every study (for each of them are either scientific studies or CDC guidelines) if you wish, but I'm sure you can all read them for yourselves.

By the way, the article TITLE mentions only the body fluid "semen", but the research studies cited mention other body fluids as well.

Here ya go:


How Long Does the Ebola Virus Survive in Semen?

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/10/how-long-ebola-sperm
Research shows the virus can be found in survivors' semen for weeks or months after recovery.

—By Alex Park
| Wed Oct. 8, 2014 12:32 PM EDT


Survivors of Ebola often face stigma and fear from community members who worry they might spread the disease after leaving the hospital. These fears are almost entirely misplaced. Once someone has recovered from the virus, they cannot infect others through handshakes, hugs, or kisses. Their sweat isn't contagious. Even the vomit, urine, and feces of the disease's survivors has been shown to be Ebola free.

There are, however, a couple important exceptions. In particular, research into past outbreaks shows that the semen of survivors may carry the virus for weeks, or even months, after they recover.

For instance, a 1977 study of an outbreak in what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo found Ebola in the semen of one survivor 61 days after the onset of his disease. And a 1999 study found the virus in an Ebola survivor's semen 82 days after he first became ill. That study recommended that survivors use condoms for "at least" three months after contracting the disease.

A separate 1999 study, backed by the Centers for Disease Control, identified one woman who tested positive for Ebola but never developed symptoms. The researchers concluded that it was unclear if she ever actually contracted the virus, but that it was "possible" that she was infected by a recovered Ebola patient via his semen.

In a statement issued Monday, the World Health Organization echoed these findings, warning that Ebola "can persist in [survivors'] semen for at least 70 days" and that some research even "suggests persistence for more than 90 days."

The sample sizes for these studies are extremely small, and it's unclear just how great a risk the semen of surviving men poses in the weeks following their illness. Still, officials from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have recommended that they use condoms. And Doctors Without Borders—which has been on the front lines of the current outbreak since its early stages—is distributing condoms to survivors, according to a spokesperson for the group.

Speaking at a United Nations office in Liberia earlier this month, an epidemiologist and WHO consultant from Uganda—a nation that saw its own Ebola outbreak as recently as 2013—said that sexual transmission could make the disease harder to contain. He criticized public health officials for not doing enough to encourage the use of condoms.

And Semen may not be the only bodily fluid through which a patient recovering from Ebola could pass on the disease. In 2000, researchers tested the fluids of a female Ebola survivor whose blood was already clear of the virus. Fifteen days after first falling ill, Ebola was still found in the woman's breast milk. Her child eventually died of Ebola, though the researchers could not be certain the child got sick from feeding.

"At any rate," wrote the researchers, "it seems prudent to advise breastfeeding mothers who survive [Ebola] to avoid breastfeeding for at least some weeks after recovery."


Links cited in the above article:

Persistence and Genetic Stability of Ebola Virus during the Outbreak in Kikwit, Democratic Republic of the Congo, 1995
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/179/Supplement_1/S170.long

Clinical, Virologic, and Immunologic Follow-Up of Convalescent Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever Patients and Their Household Contacts, Kikwit, Democratic Republic of the Congo
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/179/Supplement_1/S28.full

What we know about transmission of the Ebola virus among humans--WHO Media Centre
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/06-october-2014/en/

Press Briefing Transcript
CDC Telebriefing on Ebola outbreak in West Africa

Monday, July 28, 2014, 2:30 p.m. ET
http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/t0728-ebola.html
 
Nightingale

Nightingale

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I remember when Dr. Fauci of the NIH was giving an update on Nina in front of a bunch of reporters that he said this virus really wipes a person out. So it is possible that Vinson is not ready physically to leave the hospital even if she is virus free. I also remember him saying that people that survive this virus can have neurological problems, arthritis and fatigue. l can't remember all the other long lasting effects.

So it could be that virus free doesn't mean ready to leave the hospital.
 
F

Faroe

Un-spun
Nightingale said:
I remember when Dr. Fauci of the NIH was giving an update on Nina in front of a bunch of reporters that he said this virus really wipes a person out. So it is possible that Vinson is not ready physically to leave the hospital even if she is virus free. I also remember him saying that people that survive this virus can have neurological problems, arthritis and fatigue. l can't remember all the other long lasting effects.

So it could be that virus free doesn't mean ready to leave the hospital.
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But when Dr. Brantly left, (and it was not long after arriving, supposedly from near death) he looked like he had spent a month at a spa, with nothing to do. He actually looked like he had gained weight. That, and the walking into the hospital from the ambulance, first raised my suspicians. I've been suspicious of that and everything else ever since.
 
Betty_Rose

Betty_Rose

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Nightingale said:
I remember when Dr. Fauci of the NIH was giving an update on Nina in front of a bunch of reporters that he said this virus really wipes a person out. So it is possible that Vinson is not ready physically to leave the hospital even if she is virus free. I also remember him saying that people that survive this virus can have neurological problems, arthritis and fatigue. l can't remember all the other long lasting effects.

So it could be that virus free doesn't mean ready to leave the hospital.
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But those other problems are easily remedied with rest at home. No need to take up a $25,000 a day hospital bed for rest and recuperation.
 
eens

eens

Nuns with Guns
Faroe said:
But when Dr. Brantly left, (and it was not long after arriving, supposedly from near death) he looked like he had spent a month at a spa, with nothing to do. He actually looked like he had gained weight. That, and the walking into the hospital from the ambulance, first raised my suspicians. I've been suspicious of that and everything else ever since.
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I saw the camera man who was also cured and he looked great too. I wish I could remember where I saw that. He looked absolutely perfect... weird... ???
 
N

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
"he looked great"
"he looked like a week at the spa not pits of hell"

Steroids for men will do that to you if you have lost weight due to the disease.

and they are using HEAVY 'roids to help cool down the inflammatory effects of the disease.
 
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