Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yeah, understandable.
My Dad's been expressing his FRUSTRATION for about 80 years... and nothing's changed.
PREP Not Just Gas Stoves: Biden Admin Rule Would Outlaw Nearly All Portable Gas Generators
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Yeah, understandable.
My Dad's been expressing his FRUSTRATION for about 80 years... and nothing's changed.
Warthog
Black Out
Only if you allow it.
Henry Bowman
Veteran Member
So very true.
What we allow will in fact continue and get worse.
It's fun to yell and stuff about something must be done but in the end if we do nothing about it it will be just like wetting your pants in a dark suit. It gives you a nice warm feeling but nobody notices.
You mean steam engines, right? There are no direct wood-fired generators.
You mean white gas? Coleman fuel?
LoupGarou
Ancient Fuzzball
No, Wood gas. Wood gassification by heating wood in a enclosed oxygen free container to the point where it exports it's hydrocarbons to be burnt elsewhere.
https ://www.driveonwood.com
https ://www.driveonwood.com/library/free-gasifier-plans/
You have to be careful on the setup, as it also makes a lot of soot in your engine if done wrong.
https ://www.driveonwood.com
https ://www.driveonwood.com/library/free-gasifier-plans/
You have to be careful on the setup, as it also makes a lot of soot in your engine if done wrong.
Good question but I really don’t care. If they want my generator they can come and get it
How efficient is that? How much wood would have to be consumed to run a genset?
LoupGarou
Ancient Fuzzball
I have heard conversion rates in the 15-18 pounds of wood per gallon of gas, so a good sized fireplace log split right could give you 3-5 gallons worth of gasoline equivalent fuel.
ETA: I have seen single and three phase generators setup on a wood gassifier, and they work good and use the exhaust output of the engine to help heat the feedstock logs to lower the heating input.
The problem is cleaning it.
There are some harsh components to woodgas and it takes a bit of doing to make it not goober up your motor.
Stationary applications lend themself to it much better than vehicles.
There are some harsh components to woodgas and it takes a bit of doing to make it not goober up your motor.
Stationary applications lend themself to it much better than vehicles.
Babs
Veteran Member
They want us dead.
ioujc
MARANTHA!! Even so, come LORD JESUS!!!
No we don't......he never has. We all know he is just a sock puppet.
I would LOVE to get my hands on those behind the curtain at OZ!!!!
West
Senior
Looking forward. If they can do what they did with the old refrigerants like R12, R22, R11 and alike then next on the list could be propane. By fining and over regulating the distributors of propane. Just like they did with the above refrigerants.
Natural gas the same but might take longer.
This really gets my goat.
Grrr...
Natural gas the same but might take longer.
This really gets my goat.
Grrr...
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Henry Bowman
Veteran Member
Why yes, yes they do.
Henry Bowman
Veteran Member
Yeah that is an issue.
I have a buddy that uses one at his deer camp. Needs to be cleaned after every 40 hours or less if possible. It was a nasty sooty thing, pistons were black as coal after a few days.
Still worked very good and Loops conversion is spot on, took 15 pounds of wood to run it as long as 4 gals of gasoline would. I guess this would also depend on load and engine size but probably a great rule of thumb.
The powers-that-be have deemed carbon offensive.
Whether monoxide like the excuse for this thread.
Or dioxide from burning fossil fuels.
They want us dead.
No more exhaling for us peons.
By 2030 having a wood gasification system will be worse than running a fentanyl factory. Jmo
Whether monoxide like the excuse for this thread.
Or dioxide from burning fossil fuels.
They want us dead.
No more exhaling for us peons.
By 2030 having a wood gasification system will be worse than running a fentanyl factory. Jmo
Learn something new every day. Thanks for the details.
jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
Look up charcoal gasifier. Make your own charcoal from wood. Use it in a charcoal gasifier to run your internal combustion engines. Europe did it during WW2. Clean burning gas if produced from the gasification of home-made charcoal. They used it to run automobiles. Some still do here:
jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
Wrong, in a sense. Wood gasifiers can be directly connected to any internal combustion engine and have for over a hundred years.
eta, charcoal is the cleanest way to make gasifier gas. No tars. The soot is far easier to clean than the tars from wood gasification.
LoupGarou
Ancient Fuzzball
Another option, especially if you don't need to run the engine constantly, is to use solar PV DC output to feed a Urea based Hydrolysis system (think another good use for DEF...) to make O2 and H2... Send the H2 to your engine when you have created enough to make use of. And if you don't plan on storing it long between runs, your storage container can be a large, low pressure plastic "pillow" made from thick plastic sheeting. That way there is no metal embrittlement from the H2 next to metal (like a metal tank would have).
Other interesting uses for the H2...
Atomic hydrogen welding - Wikipedia
Yes, with OxyHydrogen welding, you can weld normally dissimilar things together, like steel and glass, or weld, cut and bend, steel, Tungsten or Titanium. A wicked tool to have.
Profit of Doom
Dismember
Vulture45-70
Veteran Member
Tea Party time
Dry ice - lolDrop a chunk of ice in there. That’ll put it out
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
West
Senior
I bet they have. Propane is also a refrigerant.you know that's RIGHT! I never thought of it that way before!
LoupGarou
Ancient Fuzzball
Just ask any Porsche owner that had one back in the 1980s and early 1990s and went to the wrong dealership to get AC work done...
We have been talking about a permanent generator. We are on propane heat and have a slab where the old heat pump was. Have 2 generators (one a Honda) but they still make a lot of noise. Electricity was off last week for 36 hours and despite what I thought was in the trailer was depleted. Have a pair of solar panels that work well but they take time to charge up the 2 golf cart batteries. I'm thinking that one of the neighbor's workmen (or our bitch neighbor) may have got into the trailer and cherry picked what was in there. She is a psycho mean person. Just thinking OMG where are the solar panels?
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West
Senior
Redleg
Veteran Member
Alot of gases can be used as a refrigerant but some are better than others and easier on the system.
CaryC
Has No Life - Lives on TB
It's called corn. LOL
Sacajawea
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Speaking of corn, I ran across this machine that converts sugar & yeast into methanol... article is from 2008, so I don't know if it ever hit production.
www.wired.com
Make Fuel at Home With Portable DIY Refinery
People were making ethanol at home long before there were cars. They called it moonshine. With gas prices going through the roof and everyone worried about global warming, a California company is betting people will jump at the chance to use the same technology to turn sugar into fuel for less...
Have biden sit on one, puff goes the pres?A bit of Prepper related news...
Not Just Gas Stoves: Biden Admin Rule Would Outlaw Nearly All Portable Gas Generators
Just months after a Biden-appointed regulator teased a ban on gas stoves, the administration is working to enact a rule that would prohibit the manufacturing of nearly all portable gas generators on the U.S. market. A proposed Consumer Product Safety Commission rule limits the amount of carbon...freebeacon.com
Not Just Gas Stoves: Biden Admin Rule Would Outlaw Nearly All Portable Gas Generators
Crackdown comes as country faces increased risk of power outages
Charles Hilu
July 19, 2023
Just months after a Biden-appointed regulator teased a ban on gas stoves, the administration is working to enact a rule that would prohibit the manufacturing of nearly all portable gas generators on the U.S. market.
A proposed Consumer Product Safety Commission rule limits the amount of carbon monoxide a product can emit, with the commission admitting that 95 percent of portable gas generators on the market cannot comply with its new standard. As a result, industry leaders say, the rule will prompt widespread generator shortages, as manufacturers only have six months to design generators that meet the proposed regulation. That process normally takes years, Portable Generator Manufacturers' Association executive director Susan Orenga told the Washington Free Beacon.
The rule proposal comes just months after Biden-backed commissioner Richard Trumka Jr. teased a similar regulatory ban on gas stoves, which he called a "hidden hazard." It also comes as many Americans face an increased risk of power outages as the country increasingly relies on green energy to produce its electricity. A whopping two-thirds of North America faces an "elevated risk" of power blackouts this summer, a leading grid watchdog found in May, a vulnerability that stems from America's increase in green power generation and decrease in fossil fuel power plants. California, for example, saw power outages in the summer of 2022 as electricity demand surged.
Portable gas generators can help those who experience a power outage keep the lights on, and nearly five million households use them. Should the Biden administration finalize its rule, however, the generators could become difficult to obtain. The commission's rule prohibits manufacturers from stockpiling non-compliant generators prior to the rule's enactment.
Beyond the Consumer Product Safety Commission, President Joe Biden's Energy Department has unveiled a slew of environmental regulations to fight climate change. The department says its proposed gas stove rule, for example, would effectively ban half of all models on the U.S. market from being sold. The department has also proposed or finalized energy efficiency rules targeting washing machines, refrigerators, and lightbulbs. "Collectively," the department said in February, "these energy actions … support President Biden's ambitious clean energy agenda to combat the climate crisis."
Many portable generator manufacturers already impose voluntary standards to keep consumers safe from carbon monoxide emissions. The Portable Generator Manufacturers' Association standard requires a generator to automatically shut off when carbon monoxide concentrations hit certain levels. It also imposes product warning labels and durability requirements for the shutoff systems.
Still, the Biden administration is looking to adopt more stringent carbon monoxide emission caps from Underwriters Laboratories, an international product safety company. The Consumer Product Safety Commission says its rule is necessary due to low compliance with voluntary standards in the gas generator market—it estimates that just 30 percent of models comply with the Portable Generator Manufacturers' Association standard. The association, however, says roughly 75 percent of the market is compliant with its standards.
Only one manufacturer, Techtronic Industries, certifies its products to a level that would mostly satisfy the commission's proposed rule.
But none of its models appear on best-seller and top-rated lists from Electric Generators Direct, Popular Mechanics, or Forbes. Only a few of the company's models, meanwhile, are strong enough to power a home during an outage. The company's models are also more expensive than their competitors.
The Consumer Product Safety Commission says its standards will stop carbon monoxide deaths from portable generators. Commission press secretary Patty Davis, however, could only point to one fatal incident involving a model that complies with the Portable Generator Manufacturers' Association standard. But that incident, which killed three people in Louisiana in 2021, was likely caused by user error—the users placed the generator next to their house with the exhaust port directly in front of the door, a setup that contradicts generator guidelines.
The public comment period for the proposed generator rule ended June 20, and the commission will now draft its final version, which will go into effect 180 days after its approval.