INTL No10 hits the panic button over Scots independence surge - UK

Melodi

Disaster Cat
No10 hits the panic button over Scots independence surge: Leaked memo by Tory advisers warns PM can't keep saying No to Sturgeon's referendum demands urging ministers to 'placate' her with MORE powers
By JAMES TAPSFIELD, POLITICAL EDITOR FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 14:47, 20 October 2020 | UPDATED: 19:02, 20 October 2020


Tory fears over Nicola Sturgeon's Scottish independence surge were laid bare today in a leaked memo.
An assessment put together by key advisers warns Boris Johnson that he cannot simply keep saying no to the SNP leader's demands for another referendum.
The document from Hanbury strategy bemoans the 'vacuum of leadership' within the unionist movement - and suggests that the PM will need to offer Ms Sturgeon more powers to stave off a catastrophic break-up of the UK.
The memo, seen by Bloomberg, emerged amid rising alarm over the spike in support for independence north of the border.
An Ipsos MORI poll last week found 58 per cent of Scots backed the move once don't knows were excluded. Ms Sturgeon's handling of the coronavirus crisis and Brexit tensions have been credited with the shift.
Tory fears over Nicola Sturgeon's (pictured yesterday) Scottish independence surge were laid bare today in a leaked memo


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Tory fears over Nicola Sturgeon's (pictured yesterday) Scottish independence surge were laid bare today in a leaked memo
A bombshell poll last week suggested support for Scottish independence has hit 58 per cent


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A bombshell poll last week suggested support for Scottish independence has hit 58 per cent
Downing Street insisted today that the independence question had been 'settled' by the unionist win in 2014.
Hanbury is run by former government special advisers Ameet Gill and Paul Stephenson. Mr Stephenson worked on the Vote Leave campaign, and was part of the triumphant Conservative election machine last December.
The firm has been awarded a number of government contracts, although the memo is not thought to have been commissioned by ministers.
The document reportedly warns that arguments against re-running the 'once in a generation' 2014 referendum has been holed below the water line.
Ms Sturgeon has insisted that an SNP majority at Holyrood elections in May would give her a mandate
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'Put simply, there are not enough Leave voters to convert to the 'No' side to make up for the movement of Remain voters into the 'Yes' camp,' the memo said.
It also highlights the lack of big figures who could lead a No campaign, saying there is a 'a vacuum of leadership within the Unionist movement which is leaving the campaign rudderless at a key moment'.
Is suggests that rather than rejecting a referendum outright, the government could take a three-pronged approach: 'New accommodation, new constitutional settlement, and cooperation rather than confrontation.'
Handing more control over issues such as immigration to Scotland could be a 'velvet no' to stop a referendum in the short term.
But alongside the 'Four Nations, One Country', the memo also floated the idea of asking the EU to make clear an independent Scotland would not be guaranteed membership.
It suggested 'co-opting the EU into demonstrating that there is no viable pathway to renewed membership'.
Ms Sturgeon was accused of 'shamelessly' exploiting the coronavirus crisis to 'flog' Scottish independence last week after she wrote an article for a German newspaper slamming Brexit.
Boris Johnson (pictured today) has been flatly dismissing calls for a re-run of the 2014 Scottish independence referendum - which was comfortably won by the unionist


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Boris Johnson (pictured today) has been flatly dismissing calls for a re-run of the 2014 Scottish independence referendum - which was comfortably won by the unionist
In a piece for Germany's Die Welt, the First Minister branded the UK's tough line in trade talks 'reckless' and said she wanted Scotland to join the bloc if her campaign to split the union succeeds.
But critics lambasted the way Ms Sturgeon was trying to 'stir up division' at a time of crisis, even though she previously promised to put her separatist ambitions on hold.
In the piece, which coincided with the latest EU Council summit, Miss Sturgeon wrote that Brexit is a 'direct threat to jobs, investment and living standards' in Scotland and said the lack of a trade deal will 'cripple' the food and drink industry.
She said: 'The fact the UK Government seems determined to push ahead with exiting the transition period with no deal in place would be a foolish move in normal times.
'In the middle of a global pandemic it is utterly reckless.
Nicola Sturgeon gives coronavirus update in Scotland




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Leaked memo by Tory advisers reveals fears over Scots independence drive
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Wasn't there a bunch of "promises" made to Scotland back during Brexit? Promises that weren't kept?
Yep, including "if you want to stay in the EU, you must stay in the UK" now the chickens are coming home to roost.

Reading the article closely, you will notice the Brits are practically "BEGGING" the EU to tell Scotland they can't join the EU again if they go independent.

Actually, I will be surprised if the EU doesn't ramp things up even further since BoJo has embarrassed them by just dropping out of trade-deal talks by telling Scotland the exact opposite - probably within few weeks.

The EU may wait until after the US election to say this, but they have every reason to want an Independent Scotland as an EU member and no reason I can see to reject an application from them for membership.

They might make them wait the "five years" transition period (by which time there may or may not still be an EU) but I can't see them saying "never," either.
 

Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane
Here is an analysis of the situation in Scotland.


Scotland – The Road To Independence: "Trick The System"?
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Authored by Konrad Rękas via GlobalResearch.ca,
Support for the independence of Scotland has been growing steadily and has remained at 58% for several months. As the latest poll adds, as many as one third of those voting against independence in the 2014 referendum – would support a divorce from the UK today. The key to achieving this goal will be the Scottish Parliament elections next year.

The Scots Parliament consists of 129 members – 73 are elected in single-member constituencies and 56 come from regional lists, 7 from each of the 8 constituencies into which Scotland has been divided more or less according to traditional geography. This system was intended to ensure a balance between a strong majority of the winning party and the proportional representation of the remaining ones.

And as with everything in Scotland – the general assumption had to give way to the most important issue: does it help or harm The Independence cause?

Three Brakes on Independence
A country whose inhabitants in last few decades have never given the Conservative party a majority – for the last 13 years is ruled by the Scottish National Party. And, as it happens in such situations – some like it, others less, some like SNP definitely progressive course, others just grit their teeth, because it is our party, and the time for divisions and programs after regaining independence will come. However, it is not the sympathy for the SNP or the lack of it that is combined with the problem of taking this completely last step, which the Scots have to make to regain their own state.

In fact, this process is hampered by three factors. First, that is the Party’s institutionalization, and paradoxically, its continued successes and growing support.

Since Scots who want independence feel obliged to vote for the SNP regardless of whether they support individual elements of its policy – it is not difficult to guess that the party elite must have sprouted the idea of independence as the Holy Grail, which everyone is constantly looking for, which is constantly pursued, but which is really better never to find.


Thousands of Scottish independence supporters march through Glasgow during an All Under One Banner march on January 11, 2020 in Glasgow, Scotland. (Photo by Ewan Bootman/NurPhoto)

The party feels… just too comfortable. It ossifies, has lost its dynamics, and in addition, the SNP has inevitably become the property of its own apparatus, and the party leader, Scottish First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, flanked by her own husband, Peter Murrel, who is the Party’s Chief Executive Officer (i.e. the head of this apparatus) hardly accepts differences of opinion or even any more capable personality in her surroundings.

In addition, the Scottish National Party (which has been a kind of national Social Democracy since the 1980s) is shifting more and more clearly towards the Social-Liberalism agenda, typical for Western democracies, focusing on moral issues, the LGBT question (?), the fight against “hate speech“, while maintaining an active social policy, but too left-wing for the local middle class, and too conservative and too submissive towards possessing class from the point of view of genuine socialists. Finally, all this is poured with preaching principledness (according to observers aggravating Scottish politics since John Knox), as a result of which all national Government strategies bear the mark of “moral rightness” (as in the case of the unequivocal commitment of most SNP against BREXIT, and recently a fierce anti-COVID campaign performed by Ms First Minister).

As far as it all is concerned it cannot be surprising that although the SNP noted record support, which remains firmly at the level of 54 percent. – it is at the same time among both in the Party’s officials and the activists of the much wider social movement for independence (generally identified as YES) there is ferment and reflection whether waiting for political changes only after regaining sovereignty is not a mistake and at the same time obstruction against the road to victory.


Why Ms Thatcher Has Not Biten Her Tongue?
The second factor blocking the victory is the consistent resistance of Westminster, which is firmly in the position of a “referendum once in a generation” – although no one from the Scottish side ever agreed to this, even before the previous, slightly lost vote in 2014. On the contrary, Scots prefer to get a quote from one of the idols of Boris Johnson, Margaret Thatcher, widely hated in Scotland, who, with her inherent lack of foresight and insight, once said:
Scotland does not need a referendum on independence. She just needs to send a majority of nationality MPs to Westminster to have a mandate to independence”.
What seemed unreal or even surreal in the 1980s – has become a fact. Scotland sends mainly nationalists to the House of Commons (48 MPs out of 59 per country). Also, in the national Parliament, the SNP has a clear advantage – 63 MSPs, who can count on the support of six more of the even more pro-independence Scottish Greens. According to the polls, therefore, there should be no problems with a repetition of these results in the national elections in May 2021 as well. And this, however, brings us to the third problem.

Trick the System
And this problem is mentioned at the beginning … mixed ordination. It was constructed in such a way that it naturally reduces the number of seats won from party lists by the party that won the election in constituencies. Too complicated? Well, let’s examine an example.
In 2016, the SNP get 1,059,897 votes in the constituency elections, i.e. 46.5 percent, what gave 59 seats. In turn, in the regional part, with the strategy “Both votes for the SNP” – the Party won 953,987 votes / 41.7 percent. – what gave, however, only 4 seats.

In comparison, the Tories who finished second received 501,844 votes / 22 percent in constituencies – which was enough for 7 MSPs and 524,222 votes / 22.9 percent in voting on lists – which transferred into 24 MSPs.

Can you see already? To win one regional seat – SNP needed as many as 238,471 votes, while one conservative seat was worth only 21,842 votes. How did that happen?

Well, the Tories decided to… trick the system.
With the highest poll support among all the unionist parties, they based the entire campaign on the slogan “Only we can stop the SNP! Conservatives = No More Referendum!”.

As a result, they obtained these additional 23,000 votes from Liberals and Labour voters, which allowed them to consume the bonus. On the contrary, the SNP’s wrong tactic led to the waste of hundreds of thousands of Indy votes of which only a little over 100,000 were saved by shifting wisely to the Greens (13,172 or 0.6 percent in the constituency elections, but 150,426 and 6.6 percent in the proportional elections), which ensured a pro-independence majority in Parliament).

And so, we come to the most important issue of Scottish politics for today and for the next year. Namely – who this time will take the independence votes in regional elections when the SNP will again win in constituencies the with a large advantage?

Life Is Awakened in Scottish Politics

At least three centres are willing. Of course – still Scottish Greens, even quite normal as for ecologists, with an extensive social program, with lot of positively crazy people as members and supporters – but also with traditional prejudices of this trend: car-banning in the cities, suppression of diesel engines, too blind faith in the full replacement of Scottish gas and oil by the green energy (although the companies producing it not only failed to deliver on their promises to create jobs in place of those closed in more carbon dioxide industries, but also represented mainly foreign capital, swung the Scottish market, making it one of the more foreign-dominated even as on the realities of Western Europe). To put it even more simply – not everyone is an avid ecologist on an electric scooter, and the Greens, even as nice as the Scottish ones, inevitably encounter a glass ceiling in their campaigns.

The second proposal is a new formation from exactly the opposite side, a de facto split, technically founded by former SNP and partly the YES activists – the Independence for Scotland party. Although it carefully avoids speaking on any more explicit topic – in the opinion of voters it positions herself, if not to the right (which sounds at least suspicious in Scotland), then certainly more in the centre than the SNP.

In addition, it is not in favour of joining the European Union, proposing instead the Nordic Council and the Norwegian and Icelandic routes, and is cautiously sceptical about the various Genderism ideas of the Scottish Government. However, the ISP also refrains from more right-wing affiliating, what was proved by the quick removal of one of the original founders who, in a private entry on Twitter dared to express sympathy and support for Donald Trump, truly hated in Scotland, where some of his businesses are located.

And finally, the third, perhaps the most interesting offer is the party of the parties, the alliance, and more recently Action for Independence. AFI was appointed by veterans of the independence movement, such as Dave Thompson, a former SNP MSP, who for this party … won the first elections in 2007, catching the Electoral Commission with an error in the distribution of seats, which could cost an independence majority in parliament. Thompson, despite his merits, has always maintained a lot of autonomy (including voting in 2014 against the legalization of same-sex marriage), he is also known for his commitment to the vision of Scottish independence without getting involved in post-British international agreements (like NATO and EU). However, the AFI, which he is creating after the return from retirement, does not fall into such nuances so far, wanting to be a broad platform for all smaller groups, from the left to pro-independence right-wing (e.g. Libertarians) – based on one goal: tricking the electoral law even more effectively than the Conservatives did in 2016.

The calculation is easy as a child’s play. If at least half of the voters voting for the SNP in the constituency elections – transfer a vote to another independence group in a regional vote, then it will win second place, obtaining up to 24 seats from the lists, thus ensuring, along with the SNP, an absolute independence majority in Holyrood. And it will either force a new referendum on Westminster or finally stop looking at it, dissolving the Union of the Crowns and unilaterally announcing the creation of the Scottish state.

The first partners are already embracing the AFI concept – first, the left-wing Solidarity, a party of Tommy Sheridan, one of Scotland’s most charismatic politicians and journalists (we can read his analyses i.e. on the Sputnik International). At the same time, there are promising talks with the small, but very active community of the Scottish Libertarian Party (the only one so consistently criticizing the anti-COVID restrictions of the Sturgeon’s Government). Of course, the bigger the partner, the more difficult the talks are, but there are many indications that both the ISP and the Greens, and perhaps smaller socialist organizations, will ultimately have no choice but to start together – for a common goal.

And that for the Scots always and exclusively – will be Independence.
 

Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane
Rev. Stu is the most solid Independence voice that I've seen. He believes that the political transgender movement has been embraced by Sturgeon to derail independence.

Rev. Stu is gay but has been opposed to this politicized movement from the beginning.


Sunday we told you about Mridul Wadhwa, a man who deceived his way into a job at a rape crisis centre and now wants to be an SNP MSP, in a seat where the party supposedly has an all-woman shortlist. The story was picked up today by the Times.




But Wadhwa isn’t the only man trying to muscle in on a woman-only shortlist.



The extremist transactivist “Out For Indy” group yesterday highlighted the candidacy of Sarah Fanet in Argyll and Bute, a constituency already plagued by the abominable horror of Rhiannon Spear trying to get selected.



(We must admit we’re startled to find it’s apparently not “transphobic” for a privileged white cisgender person to stand against a transwoman, since everything else is.)

Argyll and Bute (like Stirling, the seat Wadhwa is trying for) is also supposed to be an all-women shortlist, but Fanet too is a man, and lived as one until 2016.



These are two very different cases. Fanet has undergone sex reassignment surgery and hasn’t obtained access to vulnerable rape victims by deception. But all-women shortlists are meant to be for people who have the issues and life experiences of being women, and women aren’t just men with their penises chopped off. They deal with things no man ever has to, no matter how much men delude themselves otherwise.



Wings doesn’t even agree with all-women shortlists. In a democracy where women are the majority and have the vote, there’s no justification for arbitrarily excluding half of the population from seeking election. Women are perfectly capable of joining political parties and standing as, or voting for, female candidates fair and square, just like men are. You don’t fix perceived discrimination by imposing actual discrimination against tens of thousands of people.

(There are around 25,000 adult men in the constituency, who have effectively been banished from democracy, like women who can play in golf clubs as resented guests but can never be members themselves. But if Fanet gets the nomination, women will have been excluded too. Everyone’s a loser.)

Cases like this serve to highlight the ridiculous, deranged position the current SNP has somehow managed to paint itself into. The voters of Argyll and Bute have, of their own free and democratic will, chosen male MSPs at every election since the Scottish Parliament was created, but now the only way a pro-independence male can have any hope of representing it is to put a dress on and have his genitalia surgically removed.

The party’s current stance combines sexual discrimination with the denial of scientific reality, like some sort of ridiculous black-mirror image of the way that Screaming Lord Sutch used to cavort around London with naked models in the service of the Monster Raving Loony Party, singing gleefully about Jack The Ripper.





The only difference is that the MRLP didn’t try to pretend they were sane, and nobody ever put them into power. Because not even Screaming Lord Sutch was so screaming mad that he thought men could turn into women.
 
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Melodi

Disaster Cat
As I basically said on the main European thread (about the trick article),

Conservatives in Scotland, that like their cousins the Ulster-Scotts have traditionally voted to stay in the "Union" with London and finally waking up and realizing that an Independent Scotland, means just that, an independent nation.

One where they may have a much greater voice as a conservative MP inside an Independent Scottish Parliament, able to influence decisions like rejoining the EU or perhaps a trading block with Norway (not an EU member) and Iceland (not an EU member).

Either way, as Jane pointed out, even a Scotland in the EU along with either an Independent Ulster or United Ireland might be really able to influence things a lot more than just the Irish Republic can now.

Add in the Welsh who are also pretty unhappy with London right now and you've got a pretty large "Celtic Fringe" base, just add in Brittany (the Old Celtic area of France that has traditionally been somewhat of a separatist area in France) and you've got a major new EU voting block.

Finally, as I mentioned in the other thread, the Conservatives in Scotland are starting to want to seriously distance themselves from what people all over the UK are starting to call the Clown Show in London by Boris the Clown and his friends who have bobbed and weaved their way to massive unpopularity over their "handling" of COVID.
 

The Snack Artist

Membership Revoked
From what I remember about the first referendum, the Scots actually had voted to secede and had won. Then the vote got rigged to say they had actually lost. The problem with the Scots leaving the UK is that they own all that oil in the North Sea that the UK uses to back its bonds. Without that oil there is no collateral. The UK will fold in on itself. Scottish oil represents about 10% of the UK's GDP.
 
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