You have to ask - what is the purpose of this 60 Min story - cover for our inability to produce enough electricity or a do it you self guide for any group in the US that would like to bring us to our knees - maybe a few dozen of the million or so that have come across the border - without processing - the "got aways"
View: https://youtu.be/65siHaUPsRM?t=4
ENER Nationwide Blackouts Possible
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Knoxville's Joker
Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is an overview as to how vulnerable our power distribution system is. We stopped hardening things after the end of the cold war...
Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Must not be that vulnerable.
Works just fine, every day.
Get used to the imperviability of both, national power grid and world financial system.
They need both to accomplish putting you in a permanent cage.
Neither will be allowed to fail.
Works just fine, every day.
Get used to the imperviability of both, national power grid and world financial system.
They need both to accomplish putting you in a permanent cage.
Neither will be allowed to fail.
I humbly submit that it was never hardened. We have been lucky or fortuitous. Some would argue we have been afforded a "hedge of protection".
The narrative is changing. Who gets blamed and who benefits? You get one guess.
Dobbin
Faithful Steed
Between Owner and his dad, this family has about 80 years connected with the power system.
Owner has been at the control board when it went down. And the power plant where he worked was offline with a boiler explosion for about six weeks afterwards. AND him being directed by his supervisor to announce on the plant address system "Any survivors please make their way to the Control Room for a head count." This is "life in a power plant" when the bean counters are in charge, i.e. those who don't care or want to know what kind of effect they may have on a family or employees. Labor is cheap. Repair/upkeep of machinery is EXPENSIVE.
Owner says it is worse now (available reserve) than it has ever been. Deregulation did nothing for the power grid except to sharpen the pencils of the bean counters and give them excuse for further cuts in manpower/quality of infrastructure/reliability.
Owner is quick to point out the difference. Plants in his father's day were large constructions. Owner saw the end of this era. Designed and built by major engineering firms, the plants were designed for reliability/permanence/and repair-ability. One goes into the plant and one finds quality of construction including well thought out systems, back-up, and people who have spent a lifetime owning and operating such plants.
Today plants are built with economics in mind. An "Independent Power Producer" will pour a concrete pad, cover it with skid-mounted equipment, connect it all together with field designed piping, and run it at EXTREME EFFICENCY with a minimum of manpower. Owner says there is an 800MW gas fired combined cycle plant in Portsmouth, NH which is run with a day crew of 20 people. At night the crew is reduced to four. A "stand-by" maintenance crew services nationwide and they're available in two hours to do repairs.
Owner says the operators work to "Procedures." And have NO idea of what pressing button "A" does other than to expect the next line of the procedure. They work cheap and are easily replaced. Possibly don't even speak English as their first language.
The plants are bought and sold and operated as one might buy an automobile. There is an active market in "used" power plants. (Call BR-549)
These plants have contracts to purchase fuel, sell power to the grid, and will do so until the economics of the situation goes against them for whatever reason. It could be pricing of fuel or grid, or a major break-down of the plant. Or possibly even a financial downturn and a change in the "return" of investment money.
As soon as the plant becomes financially non-performative - it is taken down, the building cleared, and the skid-mounted equipment sold to someone else, and the building turned into a Walmart, or something else.
AND - this is the foundation upon which your civilization is built.
Dobbin
Owner has been at the control board when it went down. And the power plant where he worked was offline with a boiler explosion for about six weeks afterwards. AND him being directed by his supervisor to announce on the plant address system "Any survivors please make their way to the Control Room for a head count." This is "life in a power plant" when the bean counters are in charge, i.e. those who don't care or want to know what kind of effect they may have on a family or employees. Labor is cheap. Repair/upkeep of machinery is EXPENSIVE.
Owner says it is worse now (available reserve) than it has ever been. Deregulation did nothing for the power grid except to sharpen the pencils of the bean counters and give them excuse for further cuts in manpower/quality of infrastructure/reliability.
Owner is quick to point out the difference. Plants in his father's day were large constructions. Owner saw the end of this era. Designed and built by major engineering firms, the plants were designed for reliability/permanence/and repair-ability. One goes into the plant and one finds quality of construction including well thought out systems, back-up, and people who have spent a lifetime owning and operating such plants.
Today plants are built with economics in mind. An "Independent Power Producer" will pour a concrete pad, cover it with skid-mounted equipment, connect it all together with field designed piping, and run it at EXTREME EFFICENCY with a minimum of manpower. Owner says there is an 800MW gas fired combined cycle plant in Portsmouth, NH which is run with a day crew of 20 people. At night the crew is reduced to four. A "stand-by" maintenance crew services nationwide and they're available in two hours to do repairs.
Owner says the operators work to "Procedures." And have NO idea of what pressing button "A" does other than to expect the next line of the procedure. They work cheap and are easily replaced. Possibly don't even speak English as their first language.
The plants are bought and sold and operated as one might buy an automobile. There is an active market in "used" power plants. (Call BR-549)
These plants have contracts to purchase fuel, sell power to the grid, and will do so until the economics of the situation goes against them for whatever reason. It could be pricing of fuel or grid, or a major break-down of the plant. Or possibly even a financial downturn and a change in the "return" of investment money.
As soon as the plant becomes financially non-performative - it is taken down, the building cleared, and the skid-mounted equipment sold to someone else, and the building turned into a Walmart, or something else.
AND - this is the foundation upon which your civilization is built.
Dobbin
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db cooper
Resident Secret Squirrel
I cannot see how electrical infrastructure can be hardened, that is protected from sabotage or actual targeting by an enemy. Substations are likely most vulnerable as there are so many of them. Something as simple as small arms fire can take them out. And the Uke war is proving that a common commercial drone can be fitted with an IED and dropped on target. Walls can be erected to stop small arms fire, but someone with a drone is totally different and likely impossible to defend against.
dstraito
TB Fanatic
They are trying to collapse the country economically
They are trying to use a man made bio-weapon to collapse the country
They are trying to foster civil war
They are trying to start WWIII
They have engineered a food crisis
They have engineered an energy crisis
It is not too unbelievable that they are engineering a failed grid situation.
They are trying to use a man made bio-weapon to collapse the country
They are trying to foster civil war
They are trying to start WWIII
They have engineered a food crisis
They have engineered an energy crisis
It is not too unbelievable that they are engineering a failed grid situation.
LibertyInNH
Senior Member
This might not be a politically correct opinion, but back in the day labor camps or death penalty was a good deterrent.
Stealing a horse or tool was akin to taking a life, as it affected a person or family's ability to survive. Felony imprisonment or capital punishment.
Mess with a utility (telecom, power, water) = felony = jailtime, forced labor, or execution.
If you understand that taking a pot shot at a substation means death if you are caught, most miscreants will avoid playing with that fire.
Stealing a horse or tool was akin to taking a life, as it affected a person or family's ability to survive. Felony imprisonment or capital punishment.
Mess with a utility (telecom, power, water) = felony = jailtime, forced labor, or execution.
If you understand that taking a pot shot at a substation means death if you are caught, most miscreants will avoid playing with that fire.
GeneSD
Retired December 31 2022
AH, the "Great Rest" plan utilizing the "Build Back Better" plan to achieve it. The Deep State will do whatever is needed to achieve its ultimate goal of destroying the US and rushing into its 2030 agenda. The only major obstacle is the pesky gun owner who might wake up and hold them accountable for all the atrocities they have committed in an attempt at world domination.
Optimus Prime
Senior Member
Loose the grid….
Suckers
Raggedyman
Res ipsa loquitur
^^^THIS^^^
propaganda seeds being planted.
expect a future crop of white supremacist MAGATs to be harvested @ peak FF season
propaganda seeds being planted.
expect a future crop of white supremacist MAGATs to be harvested @ peak FF season
bracketquant
Veteran Member
Who are "they"?
Dobbin
Faithful Steed
Those who are beyond the financial threshold of care.
Oligarch is a former term for those.
Instead of working WITH their fellow, they "dominate" their fellow. And thus use their fellow to keep them "on top."
Orwell's "1984" and the "boot stamping on a human face" was prescient...
And now you know the reason for the "Techno-State" collusion.
Dobbin
OP needs a runtime.
Yeah, probably not.
High grade fear porn.
Look at the source, "60 Minutes".
Maybe regional outages, they would start "islanding" for local distribution.
Distribution into the blue $#itholes would be a target tho.
Nationwide Blackouts Possible
Yeah, probably not.
High grade fear porn.
Look at the source, "60 Minutes".
Maybe regional outages, they would start "islanding" for local distribution.
Distribution into the blue $#itholes would be a target tho.
dstraito
TB Fanatic
" They" are the globalists, the NWO order advocates, the chaos seeking Open Borders group, the Great Reset advocates, the WEF affectionados.
Is that enough, it is the people that want to end the US way of life, the ideals as conceived by the founding fathers.
I think most people know what I mean when I say they.
Various areas of the country are already experiencing electric outages.
Texas had a blackout 2 years ago.
The administrations Green New Deal cuts back on coal and natural gas electric generation while increasing the demand by advocating electric cars and conversion to electric for heating.
Solar electric generation does not work when the sun does not shine and days are shorter in the winter.
We are at war with Russia.
I could probably add to the list if I wanted to think about it,
but my point is that anyone who does not recognize the potential for blackout,
is well deserving of a Darwin Award.
Texas had a blackout 2 years ago.
The administrations Green New Deal cuts back on coal and natural gas electric generation while increasing the demand by advocating electric cars and conversion to electric for heating.
Solar electric generation does not work when the sun does not shine and days are shorter in the winter.
We are at war with Russia.
I could probably add to the list if I wanted to think about it,
but my point is that anyone who does not recognize the potential for blackout,
is well deserving of a Darwin Award.
Sacajawea
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Well, perhaps the grid will collapse someday for some reason (I'm thinking neglect of maintenance might be the biggest threat.) But these days, a person isn't necessarily out of power. Even relatively small generators can keep a fridge/freezer going & some lights on. Gennie can power up 12v batteries - and so can affordable, portable solar panels (altho solar takes longer in some areas). So, only people who are unconcerned about being to survive a grid-down situation will be totally helpless.
The thing is prioritize your power needs. In my case, it was the well pump at the top of the list. Hauling water is time-consuming and physically too demanding for me, even in 5 gal buckets. I have ways to deal with food storage/spoilage and to provide solar light as a backup. I also have kero lamps... which are all probably unnecessary in that situation because our "day" will be sun up to shortly after sundown - especially this time of year. Civilization existed long before the grid did - and while there were more challenges & physical labor - people thrived just the same.
The thing is prioritize your power needs. In my case, it was the well pump at the top of the list. Hauling water is time-consuming and physically too demanding for me, even in 5 gal buckets. I have ways to deal with food storage/spoilage and to provide solar light as a backup. I also have kero lamps... which are all probably unnecessary in that situation because our "day" will be sun up to shortly after sundown - especially this time of year. Civilization existed long before the grid did - and while there were more challenges & physical labor - people thrived just the same.
SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Everyone on this forum should already be prepared for any size blackout from just a few hours to several weeks, or longer. If not, why not?
gjwandkids
Contributing Member
This will be mostly an urban problem. Rural areas are used to the power going down for short and longer periods of time. I don't even really live in a rural area, but every one of my neighbors and I have back-ups for a power down situation. Everyone in my area could do without electricity for a very long time if we had to. It wouldn't be fun, but it is possible.
WHY are "THEY" doing this ?
colonel holman
Veteran Member
I have similar plan in very rural setting.
Also consider using your car(s) to recharge 12v batteries. Our plan is to severely restrict car use to this purpose, as a backup to several solar panels, mostly restricted to pumping water from dug well on the farm that family has used since the 1790s… plus to recharge AAA, AA, C, D rechargable batteries for sparse use of lighting and radio comms.
Sooth
Veteran Member
When I lived in California for a short while, we had a 20KW Generac generator that ran on the natural gas piped into the house. When the SoCal Edison power went out, the generator started and about 10 seconds later the lights came back on. Problem being, it is amazing how quiet the world gets when the power goes off. Generator noise is clear as a bell and attracts those who may be getting cold and hungry.
Solar with battery backup in our current location is silent. While that may not mean a lot at the moment, there may come a time when it will.
When the bigger, longer term outages happen, most people will wait for ’someone’ to come fix it. They are probably thinking government will come fix it. We know better. Your power, your food, your defense will be up to individuals, families and kindred groups.
Solar with battery backup in our current location is silent. While that may not mean a lot at the moment, there may come a time when it will.
When the bigger, longer term outages happen, most people will wait for ’someone’ to come fix it. They are probably thinking government will come fix it. We know better. Your power, your food, your defense will be up to individuals, families and kindred groups.
You forgot about the ultimate goal to preserve Planet Earth. Depopulation is the goal, the final control. Cages and incarceration? LOL A bullet to the head is cheaper and quicker.
bw
Fringe Ranger
Pol Pot had them killed with shovels, to save bullets.
Yea, you know how quiet it gets.... You can hear from far away? Homes lights are similar, Porch lights, kitchen lights, Security lights. Not as bad sound though.
Milkweed Host
Veteran Member
A prolonged nationwide blackout of the electrical grid would truly be
the end of the world as we know it event.
the end of the world as we know it event.
Wyominglarry
Veteran Member
If the grid went down for a day there would be huge wide spread looting. Last summer when the EBT system went down for a day I was shopping at the grocery store. When the system went down a lady with a full cart of food just went out the door without paying and no one tried to stop her. A week later when I went shopping again I asked one of the employees about that day and she said people who stealing food and going out the door and no one was stopping them. She saw three people do it. If the entire grid really went down the grocery stores and pharmacies would be looted and bare within 48 hours.
Knoxville's Joker
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Longer term there will be policies enforced on that front to counter it. They do not want stores to go to a fail secure model. Walmart bag checkers are there as a coming setup along those lines I think...
bw
Fringe Ranger
More like 8. The mob would be inside the OODA loop.
Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Raggedyman
Res ipsa loquitur
^^^THIS^^^
and solar powered pathway lights and spots are CHEAP - especially this time of year. also safer than kero and candles if thats a concern. do you have a cellar? providing you have room (the footprint below is 33 X 54) here's a suggestion to avoid having to tote your potable water: 
325 gal of potable water contained in two reservoirs set up on 2 courses of concrete block topped with 3/4 plywood. high enough to get a 5gal bucket under the ball valve at the bottom of each tank the reservoirs are plumbed into the house water supply. the water is rotated and chlorinated every 6 months.
in terms of prioritizing power needs - in a long term grid down situation you could run the freezers and refers 45 min twice a day - once am and pm. I'd top of those tanks at that time and only when they were when they were about 1/3 full. any water to flush toilets with comes off the roof - two 125 gal rain barrels at the corners of the house gets you that.
no lights unless absolutely needed - and you'd be practicing light discipline anyway
Raggedyman
Res ipsa loquitur
you forgot "FUN and PROFIT"
Population control among the other reasons you mentioned.