INSANITY ‘Morality pills’ may be the US’s best shot at ending the coronavirus pandemic, according to one ethicist

marymonde

Veteran Member
I searched to see if this is from something like ‘The Onion’ site, but unfortunately no, this is someone’s real thoughts. Beware of the twisted minds out there in acedemia:

‘Morality pills’ may be the US’s best shot at ending the coronavirus pandemic, according to one ethicist

Parker Crutchfield

Associate Professor of Medical Ethics, Humanities and Law, Western Michigan University


COVID-19 is a collective risk. It threatens everyone, and we all must cooperate to lower the chance that the coronavirus harms any one individual. Among other things, that means keeping safe social distances and wearing masks. But many people choose not to do these things, making spread of infection more likely.

When someone chooses not to follow public health guidelines around the coronavirus, they’re defecting from the public good. It’s the moral equivalent of the tragedy of the commons: If everyone shares the same pasture for their individual flocks, some people are going to graze their animals longer, or let them eat more than their fair share, ruining the commons in the process. Selfish and self-defeating behavior undermines the pursuit of something from which everyone can benefit.

Democratically enacted enforceable rules – mandating things like mask wearing and social distancing – might work, if defectors could be coerced into adhering to them. But not all states have opted to pass them or to enforce the rulesthat are in place.

My research in bioethics focuses on questions like how to induce those who are noncooperative to get on board with doing what’s best for the public good. To me, it seems the problem of coronavirus defectors could be solved by moral enhancement: like receiving a vaccine to beef up your immune system, people could take a substance to boost their cooperative, pro-social behavior. Could a psychoactive pill be the solution to the pandemic?
It’s a far-out proposal that’s bound to be controversial, but one I believe is worth at least considering, given the importance of social cooperation in the struggle to get COVID-19 under control.


Public goods games show scale of the problem
Evidence from experimental economics shows that defections are common to situations in which people face collective risks. Economists use public goods games to measure how people behave in various scenarios to lower collective risks such as from climate change or a pandemic and to prevent the loss of public and private goods.

The evidence from these experiments is no cause for optimism. Usually everyone losesbecause people won’t cooperate. This research suggests it’s not surprising people aren’t wearing masks or social distancing – lots of people defect from groups when facing a collective risk. By the same token, I’d expect that, as a group, we will fail at addressing the collective risk of COVID-19, because groups usually fail. For more than 150,000 Americans so far, this has meant losing everything there is to lose.

But don’t abandon all hope. In some of these experiments, the groups win and successfully prevent the losses associated with the collective risk. What makes winning more likely? Things like keeping a running tally of what others are contributing, observing others’ behaviors, communication and coordination before and during play, and democratic implementation of an enforceable rule requiring contributions.

For those of us in the United States, these conditions are out of reach when it comes to COVID-19. You can’t know what others are contributing to the fight against the coronavirus, especially if you socially distance yourself. It’s impossible to keep a running tally of what the other 328 million people in the U.S. are doing. And communication and coordination are not feasible outside of your own small group.

Even if these factors were achievable, they still require the very cooperative behavior that’s in short supply. The scale of the pandemic is simply too great for any of this to be possible.

Promoting cooperation with moral enhancement
It seems that the U.S. is not currently equipped to cooperatively lower the risk confronting us. Many are instead pinning their hopes on the rapid development and distribution of an enhancement to the immune system – a vaccine.

But I believe society may be better off, both in the short term as well as the long, by boosting not the body’s ability to fight off disease but the brain’s ability to cooperate with others. What if researchers developed and delivered a moral enhancer rather than an immunity enhancer?

Moral enhancement is the use of substances to make you more moral. The psychoactive substances act on your ability to reason about what the right thing to do is, or your ability to be empathetic or altruistic or cooperative.

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For example, oxytocin, the chemical that, among other things, can induce labor or increase the bond between mother and child, may cause a person to be more empathetic and altruistic, more giving and generous. The same goes for psilocybin, the active component of “magic mushrooms.” These substances have been shown to lower aggressive behavior in those with antisocial personality disorder and to improve the ability of sociopaths to recognize emotion in others.

These substances interact directly with the psychological underpinnings of moral behavior; others that make you more rational could also help. Then, perhaps, the people who choose to go maskless or flout social distancing guidelines would better understand that everyone, including them, is better off when they contribute, and rationalize that the best thing to do is cooperate.


Moral enhancement as an alternative to vaccines
There are of course pitfalls to moral enhancement.

One is that the science isn’t developed enough. For example, while oxytocin may cause some people to be more pro-social, it also appears to encourage ethnocentrism, and so is probably a bad candidate for a widely distributed moral enhancement. But this doesn’t mean that a morality pill is impossible. The solution to the underdeveloped science isn’t to quit on it, but to direct resources to related research in neuroscience, psychology or one of the behavioral sciences.

Another challenge is that the defectors who need moral enhancement are also the least likely to sign up for it. As some have argued, a solution would be to make moral enhancement compulsory or administer it secretly, perhaps via the water supply. These actions require weighing other values. Does the good of covertly dosing the public with a drug that would change people’s behavior outweigh individuals’ autonomy to choose whether to participate? Does the good associated with wearing a mask outweigh an individual’s autonomy to not wear one?

The scenario in which the government forces an immunity booster upon everyone is plausible. And the military has been forcing enhancements like vaccines or “uppers” upon soldiers for a long time. The scenario in which the government forces a morality booster upon everyone is far-fetched. But a strategy like this one could be a way out of this pandemic, a future outbreak or the suffering associated with climate change. That’s why we should be thinking of it now.

 

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Beats the cost of all those gas chambers... and provides lots of labor force for the masters. :mad: ROI is the god of the masters.
 

SSTemplar

Veteran Member
There should be free pills and comfortable chairs in private rooms in every pharmacy. A person can check in and check out when they want no interference.
 

Groucho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I don't know why, but these words come to mind; "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." I don't give a rat's azz about the collective anything. Parker Crutchfield can go do something with himself that is anatomically impossible.
 

kite

Contributing Member
Gee professor Crutchfield you may be on to something here. Forget the little Covid experiment, we need to start with the real morality issues. Start the morality enhancement drug clinical trials in all the US prisons. Then what the heck, lets give it to the entire US black population.
What's that professor? Oh, that is not the morality you were talking about. Hmmm, you only want the morality that you find objectionable addressed. Oh I see, you want to change people to your definition of morality.
 

Walrus Whisperer

Hope in chains...
Gee professor Crutchfield you may be on to something here. Forget the little Covid experiment, we need to start with the real morality issues. Start the morality enhancement drug clinical trials in all the US prisons. Then what the heck, lets give it to the entire US black population.
What's that professor? Oh, that is not the morality you were talking about. Hmmm, you only want the morality that you find objectionable addressed. Oh I see, you want to change people to your definition of morality.
What a racist! It's us Whitey's who must have our "morality" adjusted. :dvl1:
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Democratically enacted enforceable rules – mandating things like mask wearing and social distancing – might work, if defectors could be coerced into adhering to them. But not all states have opted to pass them or to enforce the rules that are in place.
Not all states feel the need.

And where exactly was the vote held and the general approval given exactly?

Or was it MANDATED without the consent of the governed?

Mr. Crutchfield needs to consider the reality of a pandemic - and non-pandemics. Maybe more the latter.

At 0.1 percent fatality rate, Covirus is WAY below assault with a sharp weapon (1.2 percent) animal contact (1.1 percent) and adverse medical treatment (1.6 percent)

Doctors inadvertently kill 16 times the number of patients than Covirus. And humans are not stopping going for medical treatment.


The chart can be actively "sorted" by clicking on the column header.

Granted there may be "hot spots" which require further restriction/quarantine - but most areas are not that.

Dobbin
 

marymonde

Veteran Member
Not all states feel the need.

And where exactly was the vote held and the general approval given exactly?

Or was it MANDATED without the consent of the governed?

Mr. Crutchfield needs to consider the reality of a pandemic - and non-pandemics. Maybe more the latter.

At 0.1 percent fatality rate, Covirus is WAY below assault with a sharp weapon (1.2 percent) animal contact (1.1 percent) and adverse medical treatment (1.6 percent)

Doctors inadvertently kill 16 times the number of patients than Covirus. And humans are not stopping going for medical treatment.


The chart can be actively "sorted" by clicking on the column header.

Granted there may be "hot spots" which require further restriction/quarantine - but most areas are not that.

Dobbin
Touché to our equine friend.
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
For example, oxytocin, the chemical that, among other things, can induce labor or increase the bond between mother and child, may cause a person to be more empathetic and altruistic, more giving and generous. The same goes for psilocybin, the active component of “magic mushrooms.”

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This is evil to the core, comparing a hormone naturally made in the body with a psychoactive "pharmakeia" substance. Psychoactive drugs are part of the beast system.
 

ssonb

Senior Member
I thinks he has been in the medicine cabinet already,And I am still waiting for my vaccine for the Swine , SARS, and Hong Kong flu. My grandmother said she never got the Spanish flu vaccine.
 

greysage

On The Level
Leftists don't cooperate. They do not want to cooperate. They will never cooperate.
Leftists also love the mask. Boy do they love wearing those things.
They must be in some full time constant state of auto-erotic asphyxiation.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
For example, oxytocin, the chemical that, among other things, can induce labor or increase the bond between mother and child, may cause a person to be more empathetic and altruistic, more giving and generous. The same goes for psilocybin, the active component of “magic mushrooms.”

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This is evil to the core, comparing a hormone naturally made in the body with a psychoactive "pharmakeia" substance. Psychoactive drugs are part of the beast system.
Actually, in controlled CLINICAL situations, the use of psilocybin and some related substances is showing great promise in treating people with certain types of extreme PTSD (mostly military vets) and some forms of addiction (drugs and booze).

Clinical treatment with a psychiatrist (who is also a medical doctor) and a team trained to do this with pharmaceutical-grade substances is TOTALLY different from the OUTRAGEOUS and may I even say the EVIL idea of just throwing a bunch of it in the municipal water supply to "calm the population" and make the "nice people."

Even a trained Shaman in the Amazon who does similar psycho-religious explorations with people seeking physical or mental healing would be horrified at the thought.

Such substances have traditionally been used only in special ceremonies (conducted by someone with experience in guiding the period through their experience) or in modern medical versions of the same basic idea.

While I personally think these should be legal (and so do a lot of doctors these days) they can be quite dangerous when used for "recreation" which they were never designed for (and not traditionally used that way either0.

Dumping them in the water supply would risk not only poisoning some people who are sensitive but creating the potential for mass hysteria and hallucinations in others IF any variety of family of drugs (plant or pharmacy versions) was just dumped into a city water tank.

Edited to add: while I think this stuff should be legal for adults if they wish to use it, putting in the water supply also forces CHILDREN to essentially take a drug without a doctor's prescription or oversight.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Hhmmm, the water supply.... I once heard they put fluoride in all city water. Mandated.

At least we know it's safe and good for you.

At least they don't put anything in the air we breathe or the soil we get our food from.

Why oh why do we let them get away with It?
 

alchemike

Veteran Member
Here's some background...from 9 years ago...


Racist? Angry? The answer may be in a pill
April 7, 2011 — 12.41pm

A pill to enhance moral behaviour; a treatment for racist thoughts; a therapy to increase your empathy for people in other countries - these may sound like the stuff of science fiction but, with medicine moving closer to altering our moral state, society should be preparing for the consequences, according to a book reviewing scientific developments in the field.
Drugs such as Prozac, which alters a patient's mental state, already have an impact on moral behaviour but scientists predict that future medical advances may allow much more sophisticated manipulations.

Coming soon ... a pill to enhance moral behaviour.

Coming soon ... a pill to enhance moral behaviour.CREDIT:ERIN JONASSON

The field is in its infancy but "it's very far from being science fiction", says the deputy director of the Oxford Centre for Neuroethics and a Wellcome Trust biomedical ethics award winner, Dr Guy Kahane.

"Science has ignored the question of moral improvement so far but it is now becoming a big debate," he says. "There is already a growing body of research you can describe in these terms. Studies show that certain drugs affect the ways people respond to moral dilemmas by increasing their sense of empathy, group affiliation and by reducing aggression."

Researchers have become interested in developing biomedical technologies capable of intervening in the biological processes that affect moral behaviour and moral thinking, says a Wellcome Trust research fellow at Oxford University's Uehiro Centre, Dr Tom Douglas. He is a co-author of Enhancing Human Capacities, published this week.

"Drugs that affect our moral thinking and behaviour already exist but we tend not to think of them in that way," he says. "[Prozac] lowers aggression and bitterness against environment and so could be said to make people more agreeable. Or oxytocin, the so-called love hormone ... increases feelings of social bonding and empathy while reducing anxiety. Scientists will develop more of these drugs and create new ways of taking drugs we already know about."

But would pharmacologically induced altruism, for example, amount to genuine moral behaviour? "We can change people's emotional responses but quite whether that improves their moral behaviour is not something science can answer," Kahane says.

He also admits it is unlikely that people would rush to take a pill that would improve their morals.
"Becoming more trusting, nicer, less aggressive and less violent can make you more vulnerable to exploitation," he says. "On the other hand, it could improve your relationships or help your career."

Kahane does not advocate putting morality drugs in the water supply but does suggest that if administered widely, they might help humanity tackle global issues.

"Relating to the plight of people on the other side of the world or of future generations is not in our nature," he says. "This new body of drugs could make possible feelings of global affiliation and of abstract empathy for future generations."

The chairman in ethics in medicine and director of the centre for ethics in medicine at the University of Bristol, Professor Ruud ter Meulen, warns that while some drugs can improve moral behaviour, others - and sometimes the same ones - can have the opposite effect.
Kahane does not advocate putting morality drugs in the water supply but does suggest that if administered widely, they might help humanity tackle global issues
"While oxytocin makes you more likely to trust and co-operate with others in your social group, it reduces empathy for those outside the group," he says.

He says deep brain stimulation, used for Parkinson's disease, has had unintended consequences, leading to cases in which patients begin to steal or become sexually aggressive.
Meulen suggests moral-enhancement drugs might be used in the criminal justice system. "These drugs will be more effective in prevention and cure than prison," he says.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
The first thing the OP brought to my mind was that planet in the sci- fi movie "Serenity" where everyone had completely lost all motivation to live, defend themselves, even eat. So, they just sat down and died to the last man. (When I see proponents of legal marijuana access for people not terminally ill, given the inevitability of Amotivational Syndrome, I see steps towards that future ending.)
 

Sebastian

Sebastian
For example, oxytocin, the chemical that, among other things, can induce labor or increase the bond between mother and child, may cause a person to be more empathetic and altruistic, more giving and generous. The same goes for psilocybin, the active component of “magic mushrooms.”

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This is evil to the core, comparing a hormone naturally made in the body with a psychoactive "pharmakeia" substance. Psychoactive drugs are part of the beast system.
Oxytocin will also be released when someone is attacking the other - one who is not of the "tribe" thus the "Karens" are getting a burst of Oxy when they attack. So there is a rather dark side to Oxytocin.
 

lostinaz

Senior Member
The other side of the coin in Serenity is that a percentage of the experimental group of people who were drugged without their knowledge or consent (who died from lack of motivation to live) were turned in the Reavers: hyperviolent zombies. And then the government who did this sent assasins to cover up evdience of said experiment. Hmm, one wonders if this was a warning?
Boy, these atheist commies really think they can replace Christianity and it's moral, family and community strengthening benefits with drugs. Good luck with that.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
Oxytocin will also be released when someone is attacking the other - one who is not of the "tribe" thus the "Karens" are getting a burst of Oxy when they attack. So there is a rather dark side to Oxytocin.
Explains more than a few divorcing women's behavior.
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
Oxytocin will also be released when someone is attacking the other - one who is not of the "tribe" thus the "Karens" are getting a burst of Oxy when they attack. So there is a rather dark side to Oxytocin.

Well, that is not related to stress, but is a "love hormone." Getting attacked releases different hormones:

https://www.calmclinic.com/panic/causes/hormonal
An excess of these types of hormones significantly increases the likelihood of panic attacks in situations where they are not called for: Stress Hormones. The hormones cortisol and epinephrine (also known as adrenaline, the primary fight of flight hormone) are released when the body experiences stress .
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
We just need some Hotel Californias where people can check in anytime they like......

And it is out in the boon-tulies in California...complete with an airstrip and many amenities. Rituals and rites are performed there, of the dark arts. Guarded heavily, and its a very huge mansion. It holds ancient satanic scrolls, evidently, and yes, it has been there for several decades. Someone who was pretty high up in the ranks did a 180, repented, and converted to Christianity revealed this.
 
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