INSANITY Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison says two car mfrs (Hyundai and Kia) are under investigation for being “too easy to steal for young people.”

jward

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Collin Rugg
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NEW: Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison says two car manufacturers are under investigation for being “too easy to steal for young people.”

Yes, because stealing a car is the car’s fault

“We've gotta make sure that the automobiles are not so easy to steal.”

“Right now we are investigating two major automakers because their cars are dramatically too easy to steal for young people.”

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Housecarl

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WTF?!?!?!.....Like that's supposed to be an issue for the OEMs? The "logic" of this would sue gun makers for being used by killers and God for the existence of rocks.
 
Dennis Olson

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I believe my Murano is hard to steal, but I’m probably all wet. Let’s just say that it’s difficult for casual thieves to steal.
 
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Publius

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KIA was one manufacturer which model or model's that some bad guy learned how to steal the car then posted a detailed video on YouTube and it took off from there and hundreds of the cars were being stolen by kids as young as 12 years old.
 
jward

jward

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dunno which two, i thought the point was these creatures have lost their every-lovin-minds and we're deep in the bowels o' cray cray clown world.

..last I knew or cared anything about actual cars and theft i thought it was the oldsmobiles that were "easy".
Maybe that was carjackings, or back during one of the catalac converter theft manias
:: half shrug ::
 
Ragnarok

Ragnarok

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This Keith Ellison?

Rep. Keith Ellison faces renewed scrutiny over past ties to Nation of Islam, defense of anti-Semitic figures

Haim Saban: Keith Ellison 'is clearly an anti-Semite and anti-Israel individual'
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Dem donor: Ellison 'clearly an anti-Semite'

Prominent Democratic donor Haim Saban on Friday described Rep. Keith Ellison, who is running to head the Democratic National Committee, as an "anti-Semite."
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Ravekid

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From the law firm handling the lawsuit, these models are affected:

Hyundai: 2011-2022 Accent, 2011-2022 Elantra, 2013-2020 Elantra GT, 2013-2014 Elantra Coupe, 2011-2012 Elantra Touring, 2011-2014 Genesis Coupe, 2018-2022 Kona, 2020-2021 Palisade, 2011-2022 Santa Fe, 2013-2018 Santa Fe Sport, 2019 Santa Fe XL, 2011-2019 Sonata, 2011-2022 Tucson, 2012-2017, 2019-2021 Veloster, 2020-2021 Venue, and 2011-2012 Veracruz.

Kia: 2011-2021 Forte, 2021-2022 K5, 2011-2020 Optima, 2011-2021 Rio, 2011-2021 Sedona, 2021-2022 Seltos, 2011-2022, Soul, 2011-2022 Sorento, and 2011-2022 Sportage.

These are only those that require the use of a physical key to start the vehicle.

In most major cities, 60-75% of all vehicle thefts were one of these vehicles noted above. While this did cost government agencies, mostly the police who would spend time taking these reports, I'm not sure if the government needs to recoup millions of dollars as the officers (or phone in report takers) would've already been working anyway, so it isn't like they are out money. I'm sure some jurisdictions saw some overtime assignments or what not trying to stop these groups of people, usually teens.

This is more of a civil matter between owners, insurance companies, and Hyundai/Kia. I own one of the vehicles involved. It is a high risk and I believe it is why my insurance went up around $250 or this year alone. My insurance agent just says, "Everyone is seeing higher rates." While cars in general went up in value, the sheer number of these vehicles above being stolen, crashed, destroyed, etc. likely has played a significant role in why everyone's rates are going up.

I'm keeping my vehicle because it is paid off and right now isn't costing my anything. I purchased it used with 15K miles for $18K. I've put almost 100K miles on it. There have been two or three warranty covered issues and that's it. I am hoping it last a few more years as I save for a truck when it gets replaced. When I first heard about this issue just over two years ago, I went out and purchased a steering wheel lock. I've used that device 99.9% of the time. Doesn't matter where I park, I got in the habit of making sure I used it. I do believe it has likely prevented my car from being taken from the work lot, malls, etc.. Not matter how small the town, or nice the suburb, I use this because replacing the vehicle would cost me a lot more than the five seconds of putting it on.
 
Dobbin

Dobbin

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Keith Ellison is a major moving force in the Democratic National Committee.

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Keith Ellison - Wikipedia

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Keith Maurice Ellison (born August 4, 1963) is an American politician and lawyer serving as the 30th attorney general of Minnesota. A member of the Democratic–Farmer–Labor Party (DFL), Ellison was the U.S. representative for Minnesota's 5th congressional district from 2007 to 2019. He also served as the deputy chair of the Democratic National Committee from 2017 to 2018 and a member of the Minnesota House of Representatives from 2003 to 2007. In Congress, Ellison built a reputation as a progressive leader.[1]

Born and raised in Detroit, Michigan, Ellison moved to Minnesota for law school. In 2002, he was elected to the Minnesota House and served two terms. After longtime U.S. Representative Martin Olav Sabo announced his retirement, Ellison announced his candidacy for Congress in the 2006 election. He won the race and was reelected five times. His district included Minneapolis, the state's largest city, and its inner-ring suburbs. In Congress, Ellison was a vice-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and a chief deputy whip. He also sat on the House Committee on Financial Services. Ellison was the first Muslim elected to Congress[2] and the first African American representative from Minnesota.[3]

Ellison's profile was raised when he ran for chair of the Democratic National Committee in November 2016,[4] gaining support from progressive groups and U.S. Senators Bernie Sanders and Chuck Schumer. His candidacy prompted renewed scrutiny of his past statements and affiliation with the Nation of Islam, which drew criticism from some moderate Democrats. Ellison lost to former Secretary of Labor Tom Perez, who subsequently appointed Ellison deputy chair, a decision approved by unanimous voice vote of DNC members.[5]

In the summer of 2018, Ellison announced that he would not seek reelection to Congress, and would run for Minnesota attorney general.[6][7] He won the Democratic primary and defeated nominee Republican Doug Wardlow in the general election, becoming the first African American elected to partisan statewide office in Minnesota, as well as the first Muslim in the U.S. to win statewide office. He was narrowly reelected in 2022 with 50.4% of the vote.
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You could say a "rabid" Democrat.

Dobbin
 
Tex88

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Kathy in FL said:
What ever happened to buyer beware?
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In the case of certain model years and trims, i.e. Hyundais and KIAs with keyed ignitions (as opposed to push button to start), it's ridiculously easy to steal them (watch a KIA Boyz video on YouTube or TikTok). All you need is a USB cable, typically provided these days by the car owner. It's like there is no anti theft tech in there at all, which is not a resumable assumption to make for a car buyer.
Incidentally, civilization has looooooong shifted away from your cutesy little catch phrase and you can't just legally sell cow shit as spinach. It might apply to facebook market place, craigslist, or temu where you shouldn't expect to get a genuine Gucci bag. Rolexes or Airpods for cheap, but not in real world business transactions.
 
Dobbin

Dobbin

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Tex88 said:
but not in real world business transactions.
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Like FTX?

Fraud is fraud. And unless the buyer is beware, fraud will re-occur.

You are correct in correlating fraud and the need of buyer to beware on certain marketplaces.

Owner tells of a Facebook Marketplace listing = "Broken Hammer - $20"

Notice the "poll" of the hammer (face) in the lower corner. No fraud here.

Buyer may still care to be aware...

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Dobbin
 
mzkitty

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I give up.

Hyundai and Kia​


We had a spate (hundreds) of stolen Kias and Hyundais here in Roch a few months back. Then the manufacturers/dealers had all the owners come in and adjustments were made. End of problem so far. The main problem was these little cretins were crashing the cars. They didn't know how to drive.

:rolleyes:
 
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Hammer

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Just a further extension of the legal concept of "attractive nuisance". If you have a pool and don't secure it, and a kid trespasses and drowns, you are liable. Same thing here. Both are BS legal principles, but its what you get when you tolerate a nanny state.
 
GingerN

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summerthyme said:
Hyundai and Kias... 2011 to 2021. HUGE problem in some cities.

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every carrier we have (over a dozen) have serious restrictions on which Kias and Hyundai's we can write new or add to a policy becuase they are SO easy to steal. It is a manufacturers defect in both. There are recalls out for certain models. We have a couple that won't write them at all. Not sure how the insurance companies are getting away with it, but for the moment, they are.
 
Macgyver

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bev said:
We have a Hyundai, and I assure you, it was not cheap. And it’s actually been one of the best vehicles we’ve ever owned.
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Fair enough, I haven't looked at them in a long time. All I remember was when I was younger the used ones were one of the most common sub 1k dollar cars you could find.
Along with those awful Dodge Aries.
 
Tex88

Tex88

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Macgyver said:
Fair enough, I haven't looked at them in a long time. All I remember was when I was younger the used ones were one of the most common sub 1k dollar cars you could find.
Along with those awful Dodge Aries.
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Damn, this makes me think you couldn’t ID a Hyundai or KIA by sight if you saw one LOL.
 
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jimmertoons

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I drive a 2016 Hyundai. Engine replaced at 80k because of rod knock. No charge as it was covered under warranty. Now have 173k and it runs great.
I had the security upgrade installed in July or so. Once again, no charge. My understanding is the update negates the know issue. Also includes window stickers stating the update, so hopefully no one breaks the window.
There is already a class-action lawsuit out there to reimburse victims. Even includes a payment to cover time for those that get the update installed.
 
Tex88

Tex88

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jimmertoons said:
had the security upgrade installed in July or so. Once again, no charge. My understanding is the update negates the know issue. Also includes window stickers stating the update, so hopefully no one breaks the window.
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Plenty of people, though, have reported that their cars have been stolen despite the software update. In any thread on this about the thefts, somebody will inevitably bring up that the software update "doesn't even work," so what's the point.

I now understand why after learning what the software update actually does. It prevents the car from being started unless it's been unlocked with the key fob. That means if the car is unlocked, the software update does nothing.

If you leave your car unlocked to prevent windows from being broken or the lock is forced with a “polish key”, it does nothing
 
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Murt

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it could be considered a safety item
the perps don't have to resort to a physical confrontation to get the care
 
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