Herbal Medical Cannabis

[jazzy]

ive seen a bit of interest in tb and have mentioned some things on some threads but thought id start one to discuss what some are doing with medical cannabis.

if someone is using it, id like to hear what you are doing, what it is used for, your dosage, etc. i know it is a big topic and for some controversial and cant get past the word 'cannabis', but its beneficial use for medical conditions is undeniable from what i have been researching. i know it has helped me a great deal.

here is what i posted on a tincture thread----

since it became legal is co ive tried some different methods hoping to deal with fibro pain. ive never been a fan of mj and was skeptical but a friend told me it helped her so i thought id experiment with tinctures.

first batch was cold extraction, 50/50 green leaf and bud. did one half batch for 2 weeks and the other for 30 days using everclear

batch #2 was 50/50 green leaf but i heated the bud for 30 min at 320. also separated into 2 batches for 2 weeks and 30 days steeping in 80 proof vodka

batch #3 was same 50/50 but heated dry bud for 1 hr at 240 before adding to the vodka, also making a 2 week and a 60 day steeping batch. i extended to a 60 day steeping just to try something different.

temp selection was based on some info on medical mj sites. there seems to be a bit of variation in opinion, so i tried to go middle of the road. everclear is recommended but i hate the taste so in the other batches i went with vodka.


batch #1 in the 2 week and 30 day both seemed to affect me like taking 2-4 extra strength tylenol. did not noticed any difference between the 2 week or 30 day batch. not super, but ok. took the edge off the pain. absolutely NO high or buzz at all.
i took 2T 4 times a day

batch 2 and 3 completely took away all fibro pain. it was amazing. like in 20-30 minutes it was gone. again, no high at all, not even a buzzy funny feeling, the pain just stopped. batch #3 seemed to work a bit faster and last longer than batch #2.

taking it on empty stomach seemed to be key as ive noticed if i took it too close after eating something it did not work as well.

as batch 1 was definitely weaker i ended up blending it all together.

im pretty sensitive to stuff, really, even a shot of novacain at the dentists makes me loopey and when i drink wine i water it down by 50%---- but none of these batches affected me except to take away pain which is what i was hoping for. i take my first dose in the am before coffee and on an empty stomach.
none of these tinctures produced a high or buzz at all, i want to emphasize that..


i take about 2T four times a day about 20 min before meals, the last one before i go to bed. if i miss a dose or am late taking it, the pain starts to comes back. occasionally if ive had a busy day i have to take an extra dose. i know its not strong enough for cancer patients but worked for the fibro for me.

i have tried the cannabis oil, also know as Rick Simpson oil. i tried a half dose (half the size of a grain of short rice) and it knocked me out, so i wanted to try something that didnt do that.

i tried making a batch of cannabis + coconut oil following this method-- (50-50 by weight of each in a crock pot to steep on low overnight, strain, jar or put in capsules) has some very good benefits but not as strong as the other oil.

i made a batch of this to try but have not used it internally yet. supposed to take it the same way as the RS oil. pretty decent pain rub tho. im a chicken, tho it is supposed to be a step down in strength from the rick simpson oil, i still have not ingested it.

i have made different tea recipes, steeped or 'black honey' (put a spoonful in some hot tea before bed for pain relief) and a salve blend with cannabis + arnica + coconut oil just to try it out. that is a very nice pain rub.

one tea recipe was to take the herbs used for the black honey, squeeze out all the honey you can and put that bundle of herb in a stock pot with 2 gallons of water and a bunch of tea bags and spices and let it simmer for a few hours. when cooled down, add some milk and take out the bundle.

it was very nice tasting and tried about 1/4 cup just to taste it but it absolutely knocked me out and i slept for 4-5 hours like a dead person. i assumed i messed up and ended up dumping it only to find out later you are supposed to take a couple teaspoons only before bed to help you sleep, lol.

i found this out about the rick simpson oil---

tacking---if you try the 'tacking' method of application--holding then rubbing a tiny bit (one fourth to half a grain of rice size) of RS oil on your gums with a tiny bit of coconut oil there is supposedly no high. i have not tried that.

so far the tincture method has been working real good, as long as i take it on time.

the tinctures i made have helped me so much it has amazed me. i went from dreading getting out of bed each day, in pain all day long popping extra strength tylenol hoping to take the edge off to get me thru the day and taking more at night hoping i could sleep cause the pain woke me up several times to NO PAIN and feeling normal again.

i didnt expect it to work but it did. i hope more people get to try it out.

i would like to hear other peoples stories if you dont mind sharing

 

[Pinecone]

Thanks for the info, Jazzy. I know someone with Fibro and I will pass this info on to them. I have no idea what they think about cannabis, but it sounds a lot better than some of the meds that the person is on when the pain flares. I look forward to hearing about the experience of others, as well.

 

[jazzy]

thanks for posting, pinecone. maybe it can help your friend, i hope so. i am hoping other swill post what they are doing.

 

[summerthyme]

jazzy... I wish I COULD post experiences! This is a fascinating plant, and one which has always been "off limits" due to the legal risks- something that drives me crazy!

What ratio herb/menstruum were you using in your two (heated and unheated) batches?

Summerthyme

 

[jazzy]

hi summerthyme,

im so glad someone else is interested in the medicinal properties of this. and yes, the legal risks in states who reject it can be scary.

when i made the tinctures i used a 50/50 ratio of middle and upper green leaf and buds by volume. i chopped the fresh green leaf into small pieces and chopped up the bud. i read there is resin on the leaves and to use them, they have more of the CDBs too, including stems.

forgot to say for the first batch i used fresh green leaf and fresh green bud--not dried. the other batches i used dried buds. i used gallon glass jars and filled 3/4 full and then added the everclear (first batch) vodka (2nd and 3rd batch) to about one inch over the top of the herb and stuck it in a closet, topping off the liquid if needed. obviously heating the buds made the difference in batch 2 and 3 for the pain relief i was hoping for.

supposed to get a better extraction using everclear but it tastes like lighter fluid to me so wimped out using the vodka for other batches. i was told by a dispensary person that id be better off using the everclear for future tinctures as it would be stronger thus id be needing to take a bit less because the extraction would be better than using vodka. then suggested i just go to the green dragon recipe BUT that is very strong he warned.

have you heard of the 'green dragon' recipe? sort of a tincture you heat and reduce by heating to gain potency. said to be a very strong pain reliever where you use very small amounts, perhaps using 1/2 tsp or less in tea or something. been wanting to experiment and try to make that but i am hesitant as it definitely gives a buzz he said.

i also found out if you have extra leftover leaves you can put them in a baggie and freeze them for making batches at a later date. i thought that was some handy info.

there is so much to learn about this plant, it has alot of serious medical value

 

[imaginative]

Fantastic research Jazzy. Thanks for taking the time to share.

i would like to hear other peoples stories if you dont mind sharing

I have a small-scale ongoing experiment regarding the the ability of the herb to protect against Ebola. Rather than making a tincture- I am experimenting with decarboxylation of the Tetrahydrocannabinol. Thus far the results have been quite promising and appear to be 100% effective against Ebola. It seems to works quite well as an appetite stimulant also. (Thats my story and I'm sticking to it)

 

[jazzy]

ok, i guess you are making fun. i was never into the recreational usage.

this is what i KNOW-
a lady in our area was diagnosed with stomach cancer. she decided against doing chemo and the round of drugs they insisted on giving. she took the cannabis oil and only the cannabis oil, a course giving her 60 gms total over a few months, the standard course for killing cancer. she is now cancer free after this. tumor gone. she has her life back. there are dozens more in our area alone who have been cured of cancer taking the oil.

i mentioned it has eliminated my fibro pain. some folks dismiss fibro thinking it is not a big deal or someone is just whining. can you imagine living with both a stabbing and stinging pain all over your body day and night like you are being stuck with an ice pick? waking you up at night so you cant sleep and popping pills all day long hoping it will take the edge off, crying at 3am because you dont think you can take much more of it and fearing this will be for the rest of your life? then praying for Gods help then stumbling on using a plant that is illegal in most places to make a silly tincture that completely takes away the pain allowing you to feel human again ........i got my life back.

i have hesitated in telling people because i was afraid theyd think i was some pot head old lady using the plant as an excuse to get high. a hypocrite christian getting stoned. i dont. there is NO high, NO buzz, NO mellow feeling turning you into a couch potato in taking the tincture in the recipes i posted.

the plant is disrespected. there is a stigma in using it as the assumption is you just want to get high. people scoff at medical mj use, i once did. tho i work with alot of herbs and make alot of tinctures and salves, i Never would have considered trying this out until a friend with fibro nagged me into it. i was stunned it worked. that it worked so well for me is HUGE and i want others to know, maybe it can help them. i want others to not be afraid to try it.

the fed gov has patents on medical mj while they deny its ability to heal people and classify the plant along with heroin and make it illegal

big pharma companies are rushing to patent it---GW pharma for one has or is trying to patent the CBDs for medical purposes.

there are alot of conditions this plant helps and cures.
this is something people could grow and use it for healing themselves. yes, some are just gonna use it for getting stoned, to me that is a huge waste.

i am still researching to learn more how it can be used, its properties, what it can treat, how people are using it and for what. i like first hand accounts and am hoping others will feel free to post or send me a PM. but i understand the hesitancy due to legalities. perhaps we can post what a 'friend' experimented with and their results.

 

[Pinecone]

Hi Jazzy,

My friend with fibro had tried medical mj but had not used it in tincture form. This friend was excited to get the info you posted and will give it a try. Will let you know what I find out about if it worked or not. Thanks again!

 

[jazzy]

pinecone,
i hope it helps your friend too. if you or they have any questions feel free to PM me. tell your friend the 30 day long recipe was the better and when he is ready to try it out to start off small, maybe one teaspoon every 4 hrs and increase as needed. i use 2T four times a day but they might need more or less than that.

hope they get the same relief i do with this

 

[moldy]

Jazzy - I don't use because I don't have the need (yet) and it would cost me my job. However, I really appreciate your posting. I wonder if the heating before tincture would help bring out helpful components and decrease others with other herbs. Summerthyme - could you chime in on this?

I am concerned that with the lawsuits NE and OK have filed, that MJ may once again become illegal in CO.

 

[jazzy]

hi moldy,
thanks for your kind words. im no pro at this but from what i have read there is heating and there is heating. heating changes THCa to THC. too much reduces or damages the CBDs. the amount depends on the temp and time. im no chemist, just going on what i have been reading. and i have read different things from different people so like i said before, im kind of going middle of the road. im a little embarrassed at my ignorance of this all.

while in my 2nd and 3rd recipe i did heat the buds lightly compared to other recipes out there, there is absolutely no buzz or high with what i made. now since i only take about 2T at a time maybe that is why, maybe if i drank a cup id get whacked --i dont know, i really dont and i dont want to find out. but i got a better pain relieving product by heating it slightly than not heating.

still experimenting, made tiny batch of the green dragon recipe today, it is said to be concentrated and alot more potent. you take some dry material and grind it into a powder, then heat it for a few minutes. put that in a canning jar with a certain amount of everclear and put the jar in a double boiler for about 20 min keeping the temp steady. then strain and bottle. if anyone wants the exact recipe ill post it.

my goal is to find a recipe that is stronger for the continued pain relief where i am taking less but still none of the buzz. from reports on it, a dropperful of the green dragon is said to give a buzz, a half a dropper is said to be relaxing (sounds like couch potato mellow) and help one sleep so i am considering trying 1/4th or 1/8th to see if its any better than my regular tincture. did not have any everclear so i used my standby vodka so it wont be as strong an extraction. but still, being a non buzz person im treading gently. a dropperful is about 30 drops so ill see what happens with 3-5 for my nighttime dose. nighttime seems to be worse for my fibro pain, if it works then, great. if this recipe works as good as the other tincture it sure will save on buying vodka to make enough to use every day.

my next experiments will be teas. there are different types. one day i might not be able to get vodka for tinctures, so im going to try different tea recipes. ill post them when im done and can do a comparison.



doubt CO will back down due to the lawsuits, they are making too much money from taxing it. cant see a state being responsible for what citizens of another state do. kinda like when untaxed cigarettes were the big thing and people would drive out of state to buy them and hope to not get caught on their way home.

 

[jazzy]

well, i tried the green dragon recipe.

knowing it is said to be very strong i took just 2 drops on a cracker. yeah, i know, im a wimp. but knowing how my body is sensitive to pain meds, novacain, alcohol, i went with a very small amount. i really did not expect such a small amount to work and was surprised.

that morning i took my usual 2 T of tincture and come noon time i skipped the next dose and took the 2 drops of the green dragon tincture after eating lunch.

surprisingly, the pain relief lasted until 6:30pm. i had none of the fibro pain at all and it worked just like the regular tincture. i skipped my mid afternoon tincture dose at 4pm to see how long the green dragon lasted. around 6:30 pm i started feeling the stinging, stabbing pains start up and then just took a regular tincture dose to quell that.

the only thing i noticed was after i took the 2 drops, for about 30 min or so i felt a bit draggy, like i had a glass of wine or a pain pill but it didnt last long. felt normal after that and just went about my day as usual. did not notice anything else except the firbo pain was gone, as i hoped. did not get buzzed, high, feel impaired, hear voices or go dancing naked on the roof of the truck. no munchies. just a bit draggy for a short time. so from about 1:00 to 6:30pm those 2 drops did the job of stopping the fibro pains as well as the regular tincture dose and lasted a bit longer.

my dh tried 3 drops on a cracker on an empty stomach and it did not affect him at all, never felt a thing, so that shows everybody is different.

im going to try it today again but this time use one drop for the noon does to see if there is still any draggy feeling and see if that gives relief and how long it lasts. if needed i will take a second drop. maybe a lower dose spaced out will do the trick.

if this method works as good as the regular tincture i will be taking less and it will save a ton of money on having to buy cases of vodka for tinctures over a year and will save time not having to wait for 30 days for the tincture to be ready. one fluid oz = 591 drops. if i can get it to 4-6 drops a day that works as well as the 8T of regular tincture a day i take now, that is a pretty big savings in the long run.

this is the green dragon instructions i followed

ingredients-
1/4 oz dry cannabis
4 oz 151 bacardi (i just used 80 proof vodka)

1-chop dry cannabis very fine or use coffee grinder to powder
2- put in foil or pie pan and bake at 325 for 4-5 min
this really stinks up the house for awhile, probably dont want the inlaws to pop over during this so maybe do it at night
3- take out of oven and put in wide mouth pint jar and add the rum
4-simmer in a hot water bath with one inch of hot water
for 20 min, keep temp between 150-165. be careful and dont walk away
5-strain thru cheesecloth and bottle with dropper, label
you will end up with about 2oz liquid from this

remember to start off with testing DROPS for pain relief not dropper-fulls. be very careful and dont be stupid. i know some people use this to get blitzed and i am not advocating that, this is an experiment for pain relief and for petes sake keep away from kids.

 

[jazzy]

well, tried the one drop, it seemed to last about 2 hrs then i had to take another drop which just seemed to last another 2 hours and i gave up and just took my regular 2T tincture dose.

later today i thought id try one drop in a single T of regular tincture dose and that lasted at least 6 hrs before it started to wear off, the pains started to come back and i felt i needed another. not bad.

so i learned that a single drop of the green dragon only lasted a couple of hours, 2 drops lasts longer and a single drop in one T of regular tincture lasted a good 6 hrs, longer than the 2T of regular tincture.

well, it was an experiment. the green dragon is worth making for pain relief and to have on hand. costs less to make and lasts longer but you have to be careful in taking it as it is strong..

that is about the extent of my experience and experimentation boys and girls. i still have a batch of the cannabis + coconut oil i made that i have not taken internally yet. i guess i should try that, it is sitting there in a jar looking at me and i made it to try it to see if it was any better than the tincture. supposed to be very good for pain relief, a lighter version of the rick simpsom oil. well, when i get to it ill post just for the heck of it.

i had decided to not bother with the different tea recipes as the tinctures work fine for my needs but then if the poop hits the fan and i cant get any vodka to make tincture i better learn another method for the pain relief cause i sure dont want to go back to they way things were before living like that.

so i guess i still got some learning to do.

 

[Pinecone]

Thanks for sharing, Jazzy. It certainly is new territory for many of us, which might be crucial if TSHTF, or rather . . . when.

 

[summerthyme]

Jazzy... IF things get so bad that you can't get vodka (although moonshine will *always* be available, somewhere!), a version of the Simpson oil (probably an infused oil like you've made, since getting naptha or other solvents will be even more difficult than getting pure ETOH) will probably be your best choice.

Another possibility is to get a vaporizer... if you don't want to smoke the herb, a vaporizer can provide the same results (fewer/smaller "puffs" to get pain relief, as opposed to getting a "buzz"), without the potential lung issues.

Or consider edibles... make some cannabis butter and make brownies or something; figure out the "dose" (the right size of a piece of brownie) that works, then freeze the brownies in those "single dose" pieces.

(since this herb is still stupidly illegal in this state, the above isn't from experience with cannabis... it's essentially how I've experimented with other herbs over the years)

I think it's amazing that you're getting as much relief as you are with such tiny doses. What an amazing gift from God, and what STUPID laws we've got in this country!

Summerthyme

 

[jazzy]

thanks summerthyme,
i had not thought of those options. ive read about them but had not thought of trying them. yeah it is pretty amazing to me that this stuff is working so well. dont understand the why of it , all i know is that it does. im definitely going to make a second batch of the green dragon when i can to keep on hand.

pinecone, if these little experiments help someone in the future id be very happy.

dh is about to go into surgery for a hernia (again). he always gets some pain meds post op that he doesnt like taking as it makes him woozy but he takes them the first couple of days and then toughs it out. he said he will try some of the green dragon drops to see if it helps with that kind of pain--so another experiment will be reported later this month. i dont know if it will work but he is willing to try.

i have an eroding disc in my back and 2 damaged knees that cause me trouble, the tincture or drops did not do anything to help that, except as a rub in the coconut oil. that worked nicely for a short time--maybe a couple of hours.

i guess i will keep on seeing what it can do.

 

[Broken Arrow]

I've heard from friends that salve made with the THC is very effective as a topical pain reliever.

 

[jazzy]

yes, they are right, broken arrow, it makes a good pain relief salve. i made some with coconut oil. i let it simmer in a crockpot on low overnight then strained and put in jar to solidify. absorbs quickly, is not greasy. relief seems to last a couple hours.

been experimenting with essential oils lately too. a real nice pain relief rub is eucalyptus oil mixed 50/50 with a carrier oil. rub that in and it works real nice.

 

[KauKau]

you are using the wrong proof. you need to use 190proof Cane alcohol. i suggest using these guys. medical grade cane etoh is what i use.
http://organicalcohol.com/store/

Get a candy thermometer, don’t ever go over 200f. you are losing to many terpenes at 300f. Your decarboxylation process will take a little longer is all. Watch your bubbles, you will start off with large bubbles and will then go to medium size down to small bubbles. stir until they are gone and your solution is clear of bubbles. You will read this and that about over carboxylating it, the theory is it will degrade down to Cbn. It won’t without a catalyst, an oxidizer is needed.. I know what the books say,,but i have tested hundreds of samples and i cannot get Thc to convert to cbn just through heat and time. A 20ml solution should take about 5 min at 200f. to decarboxylate. You want the Thc, but you want the Thc-A as well. All three forms of Thc (there’s more but for simplification there’s THc in acid form, bio available form and processed form once converted in the liver)((that’s why you are using the coconut oil, it passes the blood brain barrier, yes, which is nice,, but it also slows the liver down as it processes thc to delta9. And it seems to act as an enzymatic reaction with Thc. I will have raw Eo test at 82% but the coconut infused equal weight EO will be above 90%))

stay away from the naptha and hexane.. The absolute best way is to get a simple still and the cane 190 etoh and use that. You can make your Eo and your green dragon tincture. Thats all you need. i can help you get your stuff tested, or you can go to sclabs.com and get your stuff tested. its the only way to know if you have pharmaceutical grade essential oil. there are many steps along the way that can riddle your oil with badness,,and oil is a concentrate of all the goodness but all the badness As well and then some. The process of stripping plant material to expose the cannabinoids concentrates any inorganic problems with the original material. I can help anybody through that one.


i was going to make this whole tutorial but i have had a massive amount of work fall on my head and now i dont have the time. ill try to answer questions instead. There is so much to this that one post would not cover what is going on with this plant.

a little about me. I type like i talk, i have horrible spelling and i really dont care that i do at this point, haha. I can play the big word game but i dont have the energy, im just here to help all of you, so please dont get on me about that. (I only say this because i have been here for 16 years, sooo please dont get on me.) and i will not respond to the reefermadness posts. this plant does not have a chemical potential to be addictive or deadly. The only side effect is being high, which is a far less reaching high than Nyquil, Sudafed, Codeine, ASA, Ibuprofen, so lets be real,, i have pumped on more than one chest from every legal-over-the-counter-but-my-doctor-gave-it-to-me pill and liquid on the market. Every living creature on the planet has Cbd, Thc, Cbg, CBN receptor’s. Mammals have a highly developed Cannabinoid System. Read this book
http://www.amazon.com/Cannabis-Pharmacy-Practical-Medical-Marijuana/dp/157912951X
Our bodies need it to function. Read up on it. The book describes everything really well. i highly recommend it. in fact that’s a type of book everybody could read in about two hours. Then we make a discussion forum around the book. There are more things to this plant than thc. The funny thing about the thc thing, i love reading certain posters here going on about the strength of the weed now and the high thc is going to make you go insane. Here’s a little hint, it’s not the thc,,,,,its the terpenes. My stuff tests out at 30%thc on a regular basis, for flower. that’s pretty high. People would say my stuff gets them really high due to that value. It’s not, it’s the terpenes. I test my flower and see what three tepenes spike in that strain. i then add the terpenes back in while curing. That’s why my stuff is so good. and you now owe me a million dollars, hahaha. Not a lot of people understand the true chemistry of this plant. shoots i dont either,,seriously. I was a fireman/paramedic for many years. I contracted a virus from a patient and ended up having a massive MI and falling off a roof with a running chain saw. While recovering from my heart attack i ended up throwing 200 pulmonary emboli, and oh lucky me, they found i had three different cancers, thyroid, melanoma, and lung. ive died twice on an operating table and i am left with a shell of a body. i was an olympic level water polo player, sponsored free skiier and surfer. i was left with nothing after my illnesses, modern medicine did nothing for me. Weed saved my life. its a shame there are people here who are so against this herb. Whatever at this point, you can only help those that want it.

so I’m retired and can’t work. i have a degree in bio-chem, microbiology and psychology, so what to do now that i can’t chase fire and be generally bitchin? i dove into cannabis and figured out how to cure myself. I’ve been in the field now for 7 years. not to sound like a complete kook, but i know what im talking about. i run a care giver group responsible for thousands of patients. a large part of our group are very famous people who don’t want things to get out. All of the hollywood stars that you see healthy, is because of weed. I treat almost everybody, and their families. I also treat politicians that are far right assholes fighting the weed system to the end,(and the far left, and the middle,,,I figured out the political system of the world was a giant circus act in high school.) ,,,so im just kidding.. but you guys know what I meant. yet i administer essential oils to their kids and grandmothers, makes me want to puke, but i want to help people, so what are you going to do? I am involved with a group that is about to launch a whole program centered around cannabis. we will have an organic fertilizer, lights, and CBd products launching nationwide. We also have thc products in all the medical states. We are launching on QVC in a few months, we are producing a full length documentary which then leads into a nationally syndicated reality show, yes starring me. oh boy.

I am involved with a program that will legitimize the medicinal values of this herb. The person that came to me is a very wealthy connected individual. He started 100's of artists carrier’s, such as laddy gagag, snoop dogg, blah blah blah, anyways, his dad was very ill and is now hiking the hollywood hills at 80 years old, all because of cannabis. He is unique in that he has a reach that most people don’t and an unlimited pocket book. We became good friends once he saw the power of the medicine ive been making. So we have combined minds and will try to do something nobody has, bring weed out of the streets. i am unique, i am not in this for the money. i know trauma and disease. i know signs and symptoms and i know vital signs and labs. I also died twice on an operating table, i know I said this once but since i died twice, well i had to say it twice, i also deserved the right to say **** um. yep, thats right, **** um<< all of um,, the reefer madness, the doctors, the rockefellers, the rothchilds, and all the crazies that jumped on the bandwagon in the 30's,,all of you are killing us,,so **** you...thats why they picked me up, im ready and crazy enough to stand up to the machine. im here once, and i want to help as many people as i possibly can. and i will. Guaranteed,, i will help one of you here. and you will forever be a cannabis warrior.

so i make a Cannabis Essential Oil at 92.8% Thc (not thc-A) and 25% Cbd. I am chasing CBg, Cbn, and on and on. Rick simpson is not the pioneer or father of this movement. This oil has been used since cavemen days. Two of my recipes i got out of the bible. so, kinda hard to be a pioneer when king tuut was rockin the bong. Rick Simpson however is a Hero of the movement as well as jack herer. Rick simpson started his cancer treatment protocols at 1g at 22%thc one time a day for 62 days (maybe 64?). His protocols have been very successfull.

So my partner is a youngish man that moved to maui to die. He was an investment banker global capitalist. he and max kieser are actually good friends. he was very high pace high stress individual. he lost his best friend to rectal cancer last year, within a month of his death greg was diagnosed with stage 4 rectal cancer and given 4 months to live. he moved to maui to die. His buddy was an oncologist on the island and convinced him to at least do chemo, it would give him another month or two. He called me and was giving me his crying story, blah blah, stop your whining,, i sent him my EO, within in two months he was cancer free,, he had rectal cancer that had spread through his lymph system and encroaching into other major organs.. he was and is still completely cancer free. he has no markers of cancer,,i am in the same boat by the way... this is the herb that will help us through collapse,,this is why we must stop saying **** Cancer but **** you from keeping us from the cure and a bigger giant huge middle finger to the banks that are killing us and the rockefellers with their sick care. sorry, getting totally sidetracked.. i get a little passionate about this stuff. all this stuff. from the dirt to our medicine. its all messed up. its crazy to think that the answer is in a petrochemical driven solution, we are gooey biological miracles, not plastic miracles,,we need gooey biological cures. I think its in nature.

The plant is only mystical and complicated because of the misinfo. The studies have been done in other countries. It’s a harmless drug that needs to be a part of our daily diet. Anecdotal evidence and solid studies from Israel, Russia, Europe and so on is plenty good by me. Im sold, sign me up. I have never had a negative effect from MJ, modern medicine and all its miracle pills almost killed me,,so,, Yes pregnant woman to kids to grandpa. Before you fall over bewell, I am advocating ratios of all the cannabinoids and terpenes in some form of acid or bio available form to be consumed by all ages. I also advocate we bring back hemp and get our cottage industry back before we fall into complete collapse. Grow hemp, I can help if you want it.

As far as questions go I will just drop in once a day or so and answer any questions. There really is not a lot too this. The Cbd thing complicates and certainly increases costs to your oil. I can help in that department as well. It is crazy what these people are doing in the Cbd industry. Now that its gone public all the bankers have stepped in and distorted the prices. The pricing is for yuppie whole paycheck soccer moms. The shit wont work. The strengths they are selling at are ciminal. They are selling a two oz bottle of 500mg Hemp oil containing 9% CBd. So 60ml bottle has a little pin prick of Cbd oil, and each spray you get a tickle of Cbd oil. That aint going to do shit. People are paying 190$ for this stuff. I make a spray at 1000mg Hemp oil containing 20%Cbd. I see kids go from 2-4 grand mal seizures a week to none, zero, zippo, nadda,,with one spray. It is helping my son’s apraxia, he is only 8 and is able to recognize the healing power of the hemp oil.

We are getting set up for a currency collapse. And everything has been put into place. Not much to cry about now, its get er dun time. So im just here to help and I would like help with all the other essential oils. I make a few of them as well. Anyways. Hopefully you guys will have some questions. Feel free to pm me as well. I will try to answer everybody in a timely fashion. None of this information is hard to find. Its all on utube and in a chemistry book. Believe it or not both are very important. I can say this. It’s a plant. Its not a mystical unicorn that will make you chase pink eslephants down the clouds, there are many interesting aspects to the plant but its not that complicated. People on the internet tend to complicate things. If you can grow bad ass tomatoes, then you can grow bad ass cannabis. We use all organic , simple soil, water and teas. Its all about the strains and healthy dirt. I can help with any questions in that department as well.
I can help you with wholesale organic cbd oil if you want. Its legal throughout the world. So there should be no problem. Im not here to sell stuff. I have a lot going in my life. Making a few dollars here is not in my wheel house. So please don’t think im here to make any money off you guys. Im just here to pass info on and maybe offer some opportunities

 

[KauKau]

just a little video to enjoy. I have chased this young man around Mammoth for a day, he skiis fast and hard, and he skiis very stoned, high, stoned to the bujessus belt, stoney baloney, smashed, couch locked, all those stupid ass terms the stoners like to use. Basically he uses weed to calm his nerves to do the things he does. i followed him just as high, hahahaha,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKP7jQknGjs

 

[imaginative]

just a little video to enjoy. I have chased this young man around Mammoth for a day, he skiis fast and hard, and he skiis very stoned, high, stoned to the bujessus belt, stoney baloney, smashed, couch locked, all those stupid ass terms the stoners like to use. Basically he uses weed to calm his nerves to do the things he does. i followed him just as high, hahahaha,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKP7jQknGjs

That was phenomenally incredible stuff.

 

[jazzy]

thanks for joining in kaukau, there is so much to learn i realize. and i realize im not doing things perfectly and will be doing some more experiments. going to 190 has to be one of them.

 

[KauKau]

Hey jazzy. Check your pm

No worries, once you get a bold of the 190 call me. I can walk you through winterization as well. That will be a great product for skin cancers. The CBd is important. It stops the tumor from forming and the thc actually destroys the tumor. They all work together

 

[jazzy]

just a short update because i thought it was interesting.

a couple weeks back i got a bad inner ear infection and was given antibiotics for 10 days. i decided to stop taking the cannabis tincture for , well, just n case it might not mix well. dont know if that was right or wrong but i stopped the tincture 3X a day and steered myself for the return of all the pains and spasms i had been living with before i started the tincture.

here is the interestign thing----very little came back. im thinking maybe a 1/4 of what i had experienced in the beginning. it was irritating but livable. so for the 10 days on antibiotics with no tincture i had some of the old fibro pain but not near as bad. i did have to take a couple doses here and there at night tho, but i think only 3 times.

after the course of antibiotics was over i found i only need one or 2 of the tincture doses a day instead of 3 or 4. i take one in the am and sometimes i take one at night before bed if i feel i need it. id say i take the 2nd dose maybe half the time to put an end to the stabbing burning pain IF it starts. often it does not.

so, did the CBDs start healing my body of the fibro?

the pains when they comes are so minor compared to what i had before im kind of amazed. i still feel like i need to continue the tincture daily at this point, seems to help best if i just take one in the am to start the day. it is a very good improvmnet.

also, another thing---during the inner ear infection thing and the antibiotics, i stopped some other things i had been taking, sea mussel for my damaged knees. for the last several years ive had alot of pain and i could not endure without taking the sea mussel to cut the pain way back and would pop extra strength tylenol in evenings and before bed. it was getting expensive so i cut back from 6 to 4 pills a day to extend them and they still helped tho 6 or more would have been better. the sea mussel is good, it works.

but right afterwards my gallbladder decided to let m know it was NOT happy and caused me some problems until i did the oil-lemon juice flush which ive done for years with good success. so i started after the flush to take apple cider vinegar + lemon juice to help the gallbladder get back to normal, which always works real good for me.

i took 2 tsp with 1 tsp of lemon juice in glass of water with some stevia early in the am when i woke up before coffee and had a big glass of 2tsp ACV + lemon juice and stevia to sip on all day.

the pain in my knees stopped. no foolin'. id say it is 98% gone.

im walking around like normal, i can use stairs almost like normal, the difference is amazing. had not had any sea mussel or tylenol in a couple week, just the ACV every day.

people with joint pain might want to try it out and see if it helps.

 

[KauKau]

Hey jazzy (I love your name, it's so happy)

Sorry you got sick. Stay on your hemp oils through all your illness's. CBd is antimicrobial and viral. I double down on all my pills when I feel something coming on. It seems to knock anything down before it gets going.

Cannabinoids have a Bioaccumulative effect. The body will store and use the CBd as needed. The liver I think stores a lot of it. But there's science showing the whole body essentially stores and uses it. It would explain the tolerance effects we are seeing. It would help explain the things you are experiencing.

And, and, and, yes it's healing you. Part of the Rockefeller conspiracy, most petroleum based Rx treats symptoms, hemp treats the cause. Especially if you are living a truly clean lifestyle. (Which is hard to do, one measle shot is going to expose you to 10 different compounds that directly affect your nervous system) so yes the hemp oil is probably repairing some damage to your nerves. The science is there. You are living proof. That's an incredible thing.

 

[jazzy]

thanks kaukau,
i really DO appreciate everything you have posted and shared. you are a wealth of information and experience and have a passion for helping people so they can help themselves.

i did not know CBDs store up in the body so perhaps that is why i am needing less tincture now do deal with the firbo pain. quite amazing.

have not been able to make the oil as yet per your instructions but i plan on doing it as soon as i can. we are kinda behind the 8 ball right now as dh just had a double hernia op (no insurance) so we are kinda low on funds for awhile. i have to put back my projects awhile, bummer, they are fun.

making a better grade of tincture with the 190 is on my list also. if my poor little attempt has helped me so much, i reckon making a better product the right way will only greatly improve the end results. im starting to wonder just what this plant CAN NOT do.....lol, too bad it cant heal a hernia to prevent surgery.

hmmm, thats got me thinking about a poultice. i know what a castor oil poultice can do and comfrey and other things, i wonder what a cannabis poultice might be able to do. i will have to do some searching to see if there is anything out about that.

but again, thank you for all your help, thank you for your tips and advice, i will most certainly be following your directions in next batch of experiments when things get back to normal here and we have some extra bucks.

there is just so much to learn about this plant, how to use it correctly, how to make products correctly for certain health issues, dosages, so much for this old granny to learn.

im considering growing some this year, we are allowed 6 plants per adult--any advice on the best type seeds? there are so many opinions out there it gets confusing. need a short growing season one.

 

[KauKau]

Jazzy, the tincture won't mend the hernia, but it will reduce the inflammation. That's half the battle for pain and surgery. The recovery will be a lot faster as well. I have at least 4 people I owe stuff too. My lab build out took a lot longer than I thought (stupid rusty pipes) so I can't get to anything. I will have everything g done next week and we will be back on track. I'll get you a topical sprey that will really help