CORONA May 2020 COVID poll

What will be the ultimate result of COVID in the US and/or the world? PLEASE READ THE OP FIRST

  • TEOTWAWKI Within 6 months

    Votes: 8 3.4%
  • TEOTWAWKI within 12 months

    Votes: 14 5.9%
  • TEOTWAWKI within 18 months

    Votes: 6 2.5%
  • Major disruption lasting a decade or more

    Votes: 20 8.4%
  • Major disruption lasting 5-10 years

    Votes: 34 14.3%
  • Major disruption lasting less than 5 years

    Votes: 30 12.7%
  • Moderate disruption lasting up to 5 years

    Votes: 25 10.5%
  • Slight disruption of a year or two

    Votes: 36 15.2%
  • The worst is already over. Recovery will happen within 6-18 months

    Votes: 51 21.5%
  • Other - explain

    Votes: 13 5.5%

  • Total voters
    237

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Okay, let’s do this again. In your poll choice, please take into account your thoughts on the following, and add them all together to come up with your response.

Severity of COVID including:

- The disease itself (number of cases/deaths)
- Government responses (include lockdowns, forced closures, cash payouts, arrests, etc)
- People’s responses (include panic, mass buying, ignoring quarantine, etc)
- Likelihood of war between the US and (fill in the blank)
- CoG (include the chance all government in the US will collapse, massive rioting, etc)
- Supply chain stress/breakdown for an extended period (> 6 months)
- Medical care (include localized or nationwide unavailability, mass outbreak of diseases other than COVID)
- Unemployment and business closures
- Homelessness/foreclosures

The poll will only ask about your thoughts on the overall result of all these factors AS YOU JUDGE THEM.
 
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4RIVERS

Veteran Member
I’d really like to think the worst is over and everything will be back to normal within months, but that pessimist in me just doesn’t believe that will happen. There are so many factors that are now in play. I’d love to see things returning to normal soon, with Trump being re-elected in November, but so many things are lining up that could be the final nail in this countries coffin. I’m afraid we’re in for deep long term troubles that will make us wish for what we had today.
 

Fake Shemp

Banned for resurrecting the mayonnaise thread
Fear has become a dominating factor in this whole situation. That’s how I sum it up. While there is a genuine and legitimate concern here, I think the government, mostly local, has used this pandemic as a test to see how far they can push folks before any pushback. At least that has been my experience here in RI.

Governor Raimondo has been on TV and radio every single day for the past 7 to 8 weeks with the same doomsday scenario report.

While the stay at home order has been lifted, the situation is barely, if at all, any different than weeks ago.

When I go out and about, I see all the masks and I think I’m living in a Third World country.

While I get it, at the same time, I don’t get it. I don’t know what the timeframe is for any return to normalcy either.
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
It is looking like there will be war with china especially if they release another virus. If the governors do not stop the lock downs, there will be uprisings of Americans in multiple states which President Trump will not stop and will not allow the National Guard to interfere with the Americans taking back their local and state governments.

Texican....
 

Hawkgirl_70

Veteran Member
I voted TEOTWAWKI within 12 months ONLY IF Trump loses due to mass cheating and the Dems win. If they run all 3 branches, and add more Liberal Supreme Court Judges, they will quickly buckle and crash our frail economy and take us deep into a depression. I don’t know if our side will finally start physical revolting in some red states or not.
If this all does come true, we’ll never get rid of the Dems rule because of them in control of always counting the votes....unless we shoot our way out and try to form some break away republics. Even then, I don’t think we 100% succeed, as I could see their side calling in the UN soldiers to take us on.

If God intervenes and a miracle happens, and Trump wins, my vote above is null and void and Trump will eventually lead us out of this mess.
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Obviously none of us know and all we can do is make a wild guess.
I picked "Major disruption lasting 5-10 years"
I see about 40% think this is no big deal and will amount to nothing. That kind of surprised me. I hope they are correct.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
We cannot know what we cannot know, and at this point there are too many unknown unknowables in the situation to essay any reliable predictions IMO.

First of all, this virus is an RNA coronavirus. It can change rapidly even without further human intervention (and I do believe the existing virus was lab created). In fact it already has changed several times - there are multiple strains with varying severity already circulating in the wild.

We are learning more as time goes by and we will continue to learn. BUT so does the virus... changes that are advantageous to viral spread and survival will grow further and faster. And even if we can get ahead of natural changes, there is no guarantee that some kind of Plug and Play viral experiment that is even deadlier (which wouldn't take much) wont be set loose from some lab somewhere.

So for me the virus is an unknowable unknown, add another Rumsfeld category.

The economy is easier to plumb IMO. But no one likes what I have to say about "money" and the economy, so I will pass on that one as far as details are concerned. I do believe that the crash we are seeing right now and will continue to see unfold is deliberate but was intended as a controlled crash rather than the smoking hole that was beginning to happen (as of 19 Sept 2019 due to repo blowout). Will it work to "save the economy?" I don't believe it will, or can, or ever could have.

If you want a touch of optimism, DJT is Mr. Bankruptcy and this is the biggest bankruptcy settlement of all time. And that's the best I can offer at this point. Save to say good luck, all. And hang on. It will be a bumpy ride.
 

jward

passin' thru
WTH man. I don't do that much thinking to plan my own life, let alone answer internet poll. Wanna pick my brain, go dig it outta the trashcan in the corner and have at it.

And truthfully, I have no real opinions. I was lucky enough to stay too busy during the ramp up on the nuts and bolts issues to worry about what the forest might look like beyond the trees. I still neither know, or much care. The fullness of time provides answers, and they're never exactly what I would have predicted. I'm just here as a spectator.

In general though, if prognosticators and their opinions were gold, I'd be working part time, driving my flying car to work, and mars, and my best friend and kitchen slave would be a robot that ran my house and took care of all the kids I grew in my basement lab. So PFTFT to the fools who see the future. Blind as bats, most of em are.
 
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Laurane

Canadian Loonie
Depends on where you live, how old you are and what your health is like...... and if you have a job to go back to.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
I may be wrong but I don't think Trump can stop a governor from calling out the guard for his own state

All their gear belongs to Uncle Scam, and he can gather it all back up if so desired to bring the local yokels to heel. And active duty troops can be sent to get it. With as much persuasion as necessary.

Those plans got dusted off and revised as necessary not long ago.
 

Fairwillows

Where I am supposed to be.
Okay, let’s do this again. In your poll choice, please take into account your thoughts on the following, and add them all together to come up with your response.

Severity of COVID including:

- The disease itself (number of cases/deaths)
- Government responses (include lockdowns, forced closures, cash payouts, arrests, etc)
- People’s responses (include panic, mass buying, ignoring quarantine, etc)
- Likelihood of war between the US and (fill in the blank)
- CoG (include the chance all government in the US will collapse, massive rioting, etc)
- Supply chain stress/breakdown for an extended period (> 6 months)
- Medical care (include localized or nationwide unavailability, mass outbreak of diseases other than COVID)
- Unemployment and business closures
- Homelessness/foreclosures

The poll will only ask about your thoughts on the overall result of all these factors AS YOU JUDGE THEM.

I'm not sure, I voted 5-10 year disruption.....but if these are the good ole days, we're kinda screwed!
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Geez...

At this point, who knows???

Could be a blip...

Or, it could be the beginning of the Tribulation.

I have been preparing clients for the worst cases scenario for 25 years, now.

Usually, the worst doesn't happen and we are well prepared and come out looking good.

For this, no one listened and I just throw my hands up in disgust.

We MAY be okay when/if herd immunity becomes a thing but even that is not a definite.

All I can do right now is look at what we know:

1. 11 Secret service agents infected
Trump's military valet infected
Katie Hill ( VP assistant and Stephen Miller's wife ) infected
Ivanka's personal assistant infected...

Trump's re-election is a little too forward thinking, at the moment.

At the rate those close to the president and vice president are coming down with this, we will be lucky to not see the "coronation" of Nancy Pelosi.


2. There is a push to eliminate cash as many businesses are considering it infected.

Is the Coronavirus Killing Off Cash?

Dirty money: The case against using cash during the coronavirus outbreak

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3. Neighbors and Friends are being encouraged to turn in acquaintances for not "social distancing" and many are more than willing to do just that... And that is how the Gestapo and Stasi were so efficient. They did not have agents embedded in every neighborhood. They relied on local snitches to do the leg work for them.

4. The surveillance state is rising faster than ever before. American police departments using Chinese made drones to watch for quarantine breakers. Robot dogs patrolling parks. AI and facial recognition being fused with thermal imaging to check temperatures in real time as well as knowing personal data of every person checked.

5. Actual unemployment in America is near 25% and our numbers are worse than during the great depression. The difference is, in the 1930's we had a generation of folks with a "Get-it-Done" attitude, who were survivors, and the times they lived through tempered them to win the greatest war the world has ever known. WE, however, have a generation of entitled useless eaters who demand everything be handed to them on a silver platter, right now! I have no faith in the snowflake generation getting anything done but handing America over to the first ruler who promises to "make everything better"

6. We have a fifth column in America consisting of those who adhere to the teachings of Marxism and those who adhere to the teachings of Muhammad. They are stronger than ever before and are very, VERY, close to grasping the reigns of power in this country whether by mail-vote fraud, our current administration becoming incapacitated by the virus, or ( in another 4 years ) winning by election. Once they gain office, again, America as we all know and love it is DOA.

7. Due to COVID-19, religious gatherings and Christian church services in America... IN AMERICA... Are being persecuted and shut down. Synagogues are facing the same threat as the mayor of New York has threatened to arrest Jews who gather in numbers. Mosques, meanwhile, face no discrimination.



Taken as a whole... We are in some very dangerous times. I hope things go back to normal but I believe we have passed the Rubicon and all should prepare accordingly.
 
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Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
I voted other. It depends on what the virus does next, and no one knows what the virus will do next. There are a lot of guesses being made by scientists and economists about what the future will hold - but they're just guesses. Some educated, some not. Bottom line - we have to wait and see.

I think we were woefully under-prepared for the initial wave even though supposedly the experts were warning of a coming pandemic for years, including Dr. Fauci and Bill Gates who like to remind us, and the media likes to remind us, both predicted it was coming. But neither was ready when it got here. No one was. Despite all the speeches, all the money they asked for, all the self-congratulations they gave themselves - no one was ready. And not only was no one actually ready, they denied it was a problem for the first two months. And from January to May, when it was here and not some mental exercise, everyone wasted that time that could have been better used to get ready for what could come next. Instead they were too busy playing catch-up and boasting of what they did (when they didn't do squat for months), or pointing fingers, or trying to enrich themselves, or gain or yield political power. We are no more ready for a second wave than we were for the first wave. Even after 5 months of knowing this virus is out there.

Opening up the economy is as haphazardly being done as was done when it was closed. It's not logical, it's rushed and done more for optics than safety. And of course being politicized by both sides.

If there is no second wave, I think the economy could recover fairly quickly. I think Trump could pull it off and by this time next year, things will be back to the way they were in late 2019.

If there is a second, more deadly wave, all bets are off. The economy will shut back and the end result will be much worse than it is now.

No one knows for sure if there will be a second wave, and if there is, how bad it will get, so there's no accurate prediction that can be made.

HD
 
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Melodi

Disaster Cat
I voted major disruption for the next five to ten years but that is as much based on the economic fallout and the potential for both cold and hot wars (possibly with China or proxies in the Middle East) as much as the Virus itself.

IF, this virus is "natural" the most likely pattern (historically) is about three "waves" over a two to three year period and if it is like the Black Death (only virtual) or smallpox, a smaller wave coming back every decade or three for about 100 years, followed by 100-year blips - until it is either sorted, burns out or a treatment/cure is found.

Again, historically the second wave may be the "worst," and it could come as early as the Fall or if good treatment is found it might not come back at all - but one thing economic markets hate is uncertainty and this certainly makes things uncertain!

But the really serious long-term damage, which was also true in the case of the 14th-century attack of the Black Death, is likely to be economic and geopolitical.

Within a hundred and fifty years, Europe was pretty much unrecognizable from the rather staid, predictable, world of the High Middle Ages (where most people worried most about famine or war) to the helter/shelter world of the 1492 and the aftermath of serfs demanding wages, warfare morphing from private warbands and levies to standing armies and the change over from a largely barter to a money economy for most people.

These changes were not "bad" in retrospect, but it was heck on wheels for the folks living through it - I suspect we may be in for a similarly bumpy ride - even if the virus disappeared tomorrow, I think five years of economic distortions are pretty likely at this stage.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Other...

The Covid was the pin that pricked the bubble. All eyes are on the pin and few consider the bubble that has popped which has been fueled with cheap and increasing worthless fiat currency since 2008. The Covid was the catalyst but not the root cause of economic implosion.

While Covid is incredibly dangerous and engineered (imo) the release came at a fortuitous time for TPTB as they now have their scapegoat to blame the collapse on in hopes that the pitchforks will be aimed at the Chicoms and not at them.

Regardless, I would of rather faced an economic and banking reset without the virus but it is what it is. I look at it twofold. First is a dangerous virus whose long term effects on people with even mild cases nobody knows and then there is economic and financial implosion of this present system that could not be supported anymore.

Of course never letting a crisis go to waste they are going to try to lead us into a new financial system that they control which will have a large digital footprint and they will use the pandemic to scare people into accepting it just like they used 2008 and 2001 to further their liberty and freedom destroying machinations.

I chose ‘other’ as I eschew predictions except in the most general way. For me respecting the virus, it’s doing hazard and infection mitigation on one hand and OTOH using the past few months as a learning experience in hopes of filling a few more holes in long term planning. Getting back to the prediction the only one I will make is that if things get better from our perspective it’s only temporary and conditions as a whole are going to continue to spiral downward over time.

Prepare accordingly and keep your powder dry both physically and spiritually. We are still in the early innings here.
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
If the world doesn't see massive deaths in Africa, Central America and even our own homeless population, we'll run out of ropes and sturdy limbs. Lampposts will fill up quickly.

JMHO

I think there are 2000 ventilators on sub-Sahara Africa. Little purell too.
 

kiawahman

Contributing Member
12 months., TEOTWAWKI. Too much has already happened, too much coming into play as a result, (much we haven't even had time to contemplate yet). This next winter will make or break most of us.

The catalysts that preceded this event are still with us: an ever-growing world population, depleting of natural resources, and the earth herself being used as one giant polluted land fill. This planet just can't continue to support such irresponsibility and waste.

Then there's the issue of an election this fall. Too much is pinned on the back of one person. One person alone is a weak link. What happens if he dies? Stroke, heart attack, cancer, CV-19, jet/helicopter crash, assassination? Too much is at stake for it all to hinge on one mortal human. There is no back-up administration that I can see. And then, if he were to somehow lose...?
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
Personally, I feel that you can’t believe that we’re in the 4th Turning and also vote that the worst is over and that a recovery is imminent. I don’t make predictions, but I do have enough wisdom to know that while the pandemic itself may fizzle out (although I do think there will be a second wave), the economic effects worldwide are going to be disastrous. And that another thing will occur this year that deepen the impending depression. I don’t know what. War? Some kind of natural disaster? I don’t know. But there’s going to be something. It’s not over by a long shot.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
There is very little in life which is TEOTWAWKI.
1. The world has been here a couple billion years and it would take an event similar to what happened to Mars to end it.
2. The "as we know it" part requires some consideration because we "know" the world on a very wide spectrum. We know the cold war East Germany, Somalia, Bangladesh, Syria - the spectrum of human existence is very broad. We survive in some of the most inhospitable environments imaginable.

But I know that you did not mean either "the end of the planet" or "the end of humans on the planet"

You meant "the end of "truth, justice and the American way" or the "end of freedom/the constitution"
So, if TEOTWAWKI means the implementation of socialism where the government controls the means of production and decides what is essential and what is non essential . . .
Then that ship has sailed . . . like the Diamond Princess . . . and a lot of people are good with it . . . as long as they are on the upper decks . . . with an essential job and are able to buy their essential products.

And it left its home port a long time ago. Shelter in Place is just the latest. There was Obamacare before that. Before that there was the TSA and Homeland Security. Before that there was abandoning the gold standard. Before that there was Social Security.

So, as far as the first three regarding TEOTWWKI, we are already there - Denial is not just a river in Egypt

About Corona. It is not a planet killer. It is not a population reducer. It may be worse than the Flu. It may be twice as bad as the Flu. It might be three times as bad as the flu. YOU may die from it. I may die from it. The people I love my die from it. But it is not a species ender.

Politics. We are well on our way to full blown socialism. The bankers love it. The mega corporations love it. Healthcare workers love it because they are heroes and get free stuff. People who are chronically ill love it. Politicians on both sides love it. People who do not want to work love it. Half the population is liberal and they love it. Liberals will vote for Biden in the fall if he is the candidate because they love it so much and they are half the population. . . . Half the population leans liberal. Trump will still have a battle on his hands. And if he loses, most republicans will suck it up and hope for the next election.

So it comes down to economy. On Thursday, debt to the penny was 25.142 trillion. On January 1, debt to the penny was 23.167 trillion. The government has borrowed 2 trillion in 4 months. The Fed is buying up assets. The money supply has has gone exponential. Unemployment is at great depression levels. Small business is not allowed to open.
And we comfort ourselves with the idea that when business is allowed to open there will be a burst of "pent up demand".
Pent up demand means the people will have a surplus of ready cash
AND there will be a surplus of product that they want to buy.

And there are problems with both sides of that equation. People are going to have late bills that are due. And producers of products are going to have more regulation for production and delivery of product.

It is going to be a long row to hoe unless you are an essential worker making an essential product - because there are always winners and always losers and WWG1WGA is just a slogan.

Don't be a loser.
 

Fenwick Babbitt

Veteran Member
Current Death Rate in the State of Ohio

0.01025641025641%

1200 deaths out of 11,700,000 residents, as mentioned earlier this is all media-driven fear, they're using the Orangeman bad virus to get Trump out of office, in the end, the media is complicit in this and they need to swing from the tallest trees.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
Geez...

At this point, who knows???

Could be a blip...

Or, it could be the beginning of the Tribulation.

I have been preparing clients for the worst cases scenario for 25 years, now.

Usually, the worst doesn't happen and we are well prepared and come out looking good.

For this, no one listened and I just throw my hands up in disgust.

We MAY be okay when/if herd immunity becomes a thing but even that is not a definite.

All I can do right now is look at what we know:

1. 11 Secret service agents infected
Trump's military valet infected
Katie Hill ( VP assistant and Stephen Miller's wife ) infected
Ivanka's personal assistant infected...

Trump's re-election is a little too forward thinking, at the moment.

At the rate those close to the president and vice president are coming down with this, we will be lucky to not see the "coronation" of Nancy Pelosi.


2. There is a push to eliminate cash as many businesses are considering it infected.

Is the Coronavirus Killing Off Cash?

Dirty money: The case against using cash during the coronavirus outbreak

View attachment 196592

3. Neighbors and Friends are being encouraged to turn in acquaintances for not "social distancing" and many are more than willing to do just that... And that is how the Gestapo and Stasi were so efficient. They did not have agents embedded in every neighborhood. They relied on local snitches to do the leg work for them.

4. The surveillance state is rising faster than ever before. American police departments using Chinese made drones to watch for quarantine breakers. Robot dogs patrolling parks. AI and facial recognition being fused with thermal imaging to check temperatures in real time as well as knowing personal data of every person checked.

5. Actual unemployment in America is near 25% and our numbers are worse than during the great depression. The difference is, in the 1930's we had a generation of folks with a "Get-it-Done" attitude, who were survivors, and the times they lived through tempered them to win the greatest war the world has ever known. WE, however, have a generation of entitled useless eaters who demand everything be handed to them on a silver platter, right now! I have no faith in the snowflake generation getting anything done but handing America over to the first ruler who promises to "make everything better"

6. We have a fifth column in America consisting of those who adhere to the teachings of Marxism and those who adhere to the teachings of Muhammad. They are stronger than ever before and are very, VERY, close to grasping the reigns of power in this country whether by mail-vote fraud, our current administration becoming incapacitated by the virus, or ( in another 4 years ) winning by election. Once they gain office, again, America as we all know and love it is DOA.

7. Due to COVID-19, religious gatherings and Christian church services in America... IN AMERICA... Are being persecuted and shut down. Synagogues are facing the same threat as the mayor of New York has threatened to arrest Jews who gather in numbers. Mosques, meanwhile, face no discrimination.



Taken as a whole... We are in some very dangerous times. I hope things go back to normal but I believe we have passed the Rubicon and all should prepare accordingly.

A MOST EXCELLENT review and characterization of the FACTS
:applaud::applaud:WELL DONE RAG :applaud: :applaud:
 

FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Geez...

At this point, who knows???

Could be a blip...

Or, it could be the beginning of the Tribulation.

I have been preparing clients for the worst cases scenario for 25 years, now.

Usually, the worst doesn't happen and we are well prepared and come out looking good.

For this, no one listened and I just throw my hands up in disgust.

We MAY be okay when/if herd immunity becomes a thing but even that is not a definite.

All I can do right now is look at what we know:

1. 11 Secret service agents infected
Trump's military valet infected
Katie Hill ( VP assistant and Stephen Miller's wife ) infected
Ivanka's personal assistant infected...

Trump's re-election is a little too forward thinking, at the moment.

At the rate those close to the president and vice president are coming down with this, we will be lucky to not see the "coronation" of Nancy Pelosi.


2. There is a push to eliminate cash as many businesses are considering it infected.

Is the Coronavirus Killing Off Cash?

Dirty money: The case against using cash during the coronavirus outbreak

View attachment 196592

3. Neighbors and Friends are being encouraged to turn in acquaintances for not "social distancing" and many are more than willing to do just that... And that is how the Gestapo and Stasi were so efficient. They did not have agents embedded in every neighborhood. They relied on local snitches to do the leg work for them.

4. The surveillance state is rising faster than ever before. American police departments using Chinese made drones to watch for quarantine breakers. Robot dogs patrolling parks. AI and facial recognition being fused with thermal imaging to check temperatures in real time as well as knowing personal data of every person checked.

5. Actual unemployment in America is near 25% and our numbers are worse than during the great depression. The difference is, in the 1930's we had a generation of folks with a "Get-it-Done" attitude, who were survivors, and the times they lived through tempered them to win the greatest war the world has ever known. WE, however, have a generation of entitled useless eaters who demand everything be handed to them on a silver platter, right now! I have no faith in the snowflake generation getting anything done but handing America over to the first ruler who promises to "make everything better"

6. We have a fifth column in America consisting of those who adhere to the teachings of Marxism and those who adhere to the teachings of Muhammad. They are stronger than ever before and are very, VERY, close to grasping the reigns of power in this country whether by mail-vote fraud, our current administration becoming incapacitated by the virus, or ( in another 4 years ) winning by election. Once they gain office, again, America as we all know and love it is DOA.

7. Due to COVID-19, religious gatherings and Christian church services in America... IN AMERICA... Are being persecuted and shut down. Synagogues are facing the same threat as the mayor of New York has threatened to arrest Jews who gather in numbers. Mosques, meanwhile, face no discrimination.



Taken as a whole... We are in some very dangerous times. I hope things go back to normal but I believe we have passed the Rubicon and all should prepare accordingly.
Best analysis-in-a-nutshell of the situation at present.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
There is very little in life which is TEOTWAWKI.
1. The world has been here a couple billion years and it would take an event similar to what happened to Mars to end it.
2. The "as we know it" part requires some consideration because we "know" the world on a very wide spectrum. We know the cold war East Germany, Somalia, Bangladesh, Syria - the spectrum of human existence is very broad. We survive in some of the most inhospitable environments imaginable.

But I know that you did not mean either "the end of the planet" or "the end of humans on the planet"

You meant "the end of "truth, justice and the American way" or the "end of freedom/the constitution"
So, if TEOTWAWKI means the implementation of socialism where the government controls the means of production and decides what is essential and what is non essential . . .
Then that ship has sailed . . . like the Diamond Princess . . . and a lot of people are good with it . . . as long as they are on the upper decks . . . with an essential job and are able to buy their essential products.

And it left its home port a long time ago. Shelter in Place is just the latest. There was Obamacare before that. Before that there was the TSA and Homeland Security. Before that there was abandoning the gold standard. Before that there was Social Security.

So, as far as the first three regarding TEOTWWKI, we are already there - Denial is not just a river in Egypt

About Corona. It is not a planet killer. It is not a population reducer. It may be worse than the Flu. It may be twice as bad as the Flu. It might be three times as bad as the flu. YOU may die from it. I may die from it. The people I love my die from it. But it is not a species ender.

Politics. We are well on our way to full blown socialism. The bankers love it. The mega corporations love it. Healthcare workers love it because they are heroes and get free stuff. People who are chronically ill love it. Politicians on both sides love it. People who do not want to work love it. Half the population is liberal and they love it. Liberals will vote for Biden in the fall if he is the candidate because they love it so much and they are half the population. . . . Half the population leans liberal. Trump will still have a battle on his hands. And if he loses, most republicans will suck it up and hope for the next election.

So it comes down to economy. On Thursday, debt to the penny was 25.142 trillion. On January 1, debt to the penny was 23.167 trillion. The government has borrowed 2 trillion in 4 months. The Fed is buying up assets. The money supply has has gone exponential. Unemployment is at great depression levels. Small business is not allowed to open.
And we comfort ourselves with the idea that when business is allowed to open there will be a burst of "pent up demand".
Pent up demand means the people will have a surplus of ready cash
AND there will be a surplus of product that they want to buy.

And there are problems with both sides of that equation. People are going to have late bills that are due. And producers of products are going to have more regulation for production and delivery of product.

It is going to be a long row to hoe unless you are an essential worker making an essential product - because there are always winners and always losers and WWG1WGA is just a slogan.

Don't be a loser.

WOW!!!
:applaud::applaud:yet another dose of reality right up there with Ragnorok's #19 :applaud::applaud:
 

Maryh

Veteran Member
I think all of this would change for the better if the scientists discover a cure or safe vaccine. Most important, if enough people repented and prayed, God would heal the land. He is greater than this virus. As for me, I choose to repent and pray.
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
It all depends on this latest version of the virus and how it is interacting with kids. If granny dies at 70+ with a virus it is one thing, if little Johnny dies at 9 it is a whole 'nother ball game.
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
I chose a couple years disruption but that all hinges on Pres Trump's re-election.
I agree that it all hinges on Pes Trump's reelection, if he loses its katie bar the door and we are all in deep shit. If he wins, I think things will level out. I simply cannot wrap my brain around all the things you cited, or maybe I don't want to. its too early in the day. I voted other.

Judy
 

mourningdove

Pura Vida in my garden
I voted the worst is already over. Maybe its just wishful thinking. Maybe because I am here in Texas where the quarantine is not so draconian as in other states, maybe because I really, really want to see our country move forward.
I wish I could trust the numbers that they give us, but I don’t. I wish I could trust the advice they give us, but I don‘t.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Have recently been talking to my navy doctor buddy and my son that is just finishing up his last year of residency in internal medicine. We all three have come to the conclusion that this Chinese Virus is going to change the way we live for a long time. The mere fact that, as of my last count, we have somewhere around 35 strains of this bug is more than unnerving and predictive of the mess that has been unleashed on the world by China. We conclude that as we've never had a successful vaccine for the Common Cold primarily because of its constant mutation, we'll probably never totally control nor have a functional vaccine against this viral threat as well. In otherwords, we're going to be stuck dealing with this threat for about as long as we have been dealing with the Common Cold. CRAP!!

Another thing I've noticed when I do go out and about and even watching the news at night. Hardly anyone has the correct type of mask as well as how many people I see that are wearing what they do have incorrectly. Most folks might as well not be wearing anything. I'm noticing a lot of people wearing those Neck Gaiters or whatever they are called. Those things won't even stop dust let alone something as small as a virus. People are not covering their nose, or are wearing the bottom of the mask loose to make breathing easier and all those single and double layer cotton masks and bandanas aren't doing much of anything virus wise. So it's all a false sense of security.
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
I chose other. To me the election is too large an unknown to speculate. If Trump wins I see a slow recovery for the next four years provided he has the Senate. If Trump wins but loses the Senate I see a status quo to small slide towards socialism. If he loses but we hold the Senate the same. If we lose it all then fast forward socialism and TEOTWAWKI. I think this virus and the resulting economic issues don't bode well for him.

As for the virus, we will continue to see random/rotating shortages through the summer. Fall will be interesting depending on how the harvest goes. The GSM will play a role in that as well. I do anticipate a second wave in the fall but I cant hazard a guess as to what the reaction will be. I think a lot will depend on what happens as the states open up. If the numbers start to rise and we start seeing younger people die then I think the states clamp back down and everyone gets UBI just to try to keep the bread flowing.
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I voted for the "Slight disruption of a year or two"
But I think were somewhere between that and "The worst is already over. Recovery will happen within 6-18 months".
I think certain industries are going to be in the shitter for the longer time frame.
Mostly travel.
Housing is probably going to decline as well for a while due to people eating up savings they may have intend to use for a home.
I think nursing homes are going to be on the decline. More people are probably going to opt for home care if possible.

I foresee a cure from something new or something existing that works long before a vaccine.
 
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