On Bracken's point about how vulnerable elders are living by themselves, I agree, but will add that I see everyone living in urban/suburban areas as vulnerable. Take down the grid and most will quickly be out of water and they won't have working toilets. The parcels their homes are on are sufficiently tiny that even if they have a veggie garden or a fruit tree or two, it isn't going to feed them for long. Urban/suburban folks are almost totally dependent upon society being fully functional. I'm not saying that rural folks would have it easy in a collapse, but they will fare far better than those in cities & suburbs, no matter their age.
Yep. We just got back from enjoying Easter with our kids and grandkids. DD lives in a very nice "McMansion"... 2900 feet (not counting attic and basement, both of which are finished..the basement is a nice woodshop, with a 3D printer among other creative goodies) on 2 acres
It was built in a neighborhood of half million dollar homes, and will absolutely be a target in a Mad Max situation.
But the thing is...it's essentially worthless in a grid down situation. Fully electric, not defendable, and while they buy beef, chicken and pork from us...half a cow, a whole hog and 25, 6# chickens...AND grow a small garden, its simply not sustainable. Granted, they have 5 laying hens (6 until a hawk took one out in December), they are fully dependent on purchased feed.
What they do have is *skills*. All our kids are technically "xennials"
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Kids born between 1977 and 1983 are referred to as Xennials, a micro-generation bridging Generation X and Millennials. Often called the "Oregon Trail Generation," they are unique for having an analog childhood (no internet/social media) and a digital adulthood, experiencing both worlds. They are considered tech-adaptive, resilient, and the bridge between two generations.
Key Characteristics of Xennials (1977–1983):
Analog Childhood: Spent early years with cassette tapes, landline phones, handwritten letters, and television schedules.
Digital Adulthood: Hit by the internet boom and smartphone adoption in their early 20s.
Cultural Cusp: Experienced the "Wild West" era of social media but remember life before it.
Outlook: Known for a blend of Gen X cynicism and Millennial optimism, often feeling in-between the two.
Technology: They did not grow up with technology, but had to adapt to it quickly.
They are sometimes referred to as the Star Wars Generation or Generation Catalano. They are sometimes called "Zenials," although that term often includes those born up to 1985.
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They grew up working hard on our small dairy farm, we on,y had a TeeVee sporadically...my parents would "donate" one to us. We got three channels...mostly. When it died, no one cared enough to spend scarce money to replace it. So, 2 or 3 years later, soneone would feel sorry for our "deprivation" and donate another tv. Which would more or less be ignored, unless something like the first Gulf War was being broadcast, or the Kentucky Derby I loved to watch.
They started working for others by the time they were 12...we once "lent" the two oldest boys (11 and 12 at the time) to the sale committee for our breed of cattle having a State consignment sale. They were there to wash and clip cows, clean stalls, run errands..whatever was needed.
When hubby and I showed up at the sale, we were accosted by an older gentleman, who demanded pen and paper from me. I was thinking he forgot basic supplies to take notes about cattle he might want to buy, and was digging in my purse to try and provide what he needed, when he stopped me.
He said, laughing..."I just wanted to write a letter of recommendation for those two boys of yours! They've accomplished more than any five of our grown men, and they've been personable, responsive and willing. We NEED young men like that!"
Our daughter's first job was helping in the butcher department of our local Supermarket. I remember her coming out from the interview, crying her eyes out. I was ready to console her when I discovered she'd been hired immediately when they heard her last name and learned she'd been raised on a farm!
None of them have ever been unemployed. Second son is on his second week off, before starting a new job (project manager for a major engineering firm). He quit his last job last month, as they were abusing his hard working good nature. The last straw was when a very accomplished old timer retired, and they gave DS his entire job... on top of the one he was already doing. Yes, they gave him a 20% raise...which was still 6 figures below what the old timer was being paid. He found a better job in 2 weeks.
They all worked their way through college (the two who wanted the "name" degree went to State schools for 3 years, then transferred and got the diploma from the "fancy" college). One bought a duplex which needed some TLC. He renovated the entire thing, and paid off the mortgage with the rent from the other half. It was paid off in 14 years. One bought a HUD house, and (admittedly, with some cash help from his Boomer inlaws) renovated it, and had it paid off, along with chunk of land outside town, when the city house burned.
Our DD and her husband bought a starter house (new, relatively cheap subdivision) for $95k just past the year 2000. They paid it off in 15 years, and now live in the previously mentioned McMansion..except it's built 10x better than most, because SIL hounded the contractor about code violations and shoddy work until the guy quit..so DSIL took over the project as the main contractor...and it got done right.
Oldest son rented for at least 15 years. Then he bought a rural property with three friends...they put up the cash, he built a 3 bedroom "cabin" (hardwood floors, granite countertops!)...and he also bought a 1950s ranch house.
Yes, they all take vacations, and eat out occasionally...but they prioritized savings, and also taking jobs that provide excellent retirement supplementation.
They did this with almost NO financial help from us...we simply didn't have anything extra. They did "shop" in my preps if they needed, and we let them charge parts and stuff they needed for their cars on our account in town. But 10 years later, when the government screwed us on the milk price to the point the farm price for milk cost the farmer $2 for every 100# (12 gallons) he sold...one of our sons went to the auto parts store and quietly paid the entire bill.
I think people need to stop with the labels. And boy, do they need to talk and LISTEN more! We talked with our kids...no, we didn't burden them with the details of how hard it was at times! But we told them that we were rich in what counted, and we taught them to be grateful for the land, and what it was able to provide for us. Other kids got "Fruit RollUps" in their lunches. Our kids did, too...but ours were made from wild blackberries and strawberries!
The other points are valid, too...I grew up in a 1200 sq ft house..just 4 of us. Hubby grew up in an 1864 farm house with 4 sisters...no heat in the upstairs bedrooms. No TV. No wifi.
It was a very different world. I can't imagine what it might be like when my grandchildren are having kids!
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