POL Marjorie Taylor Greene Launches America First Movement Against Trump on Foreign Wars

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We said no more foreign wars and we meant it and supported Donald Trump because he made that promise. But he’s betrayed us all. Our commitment is America First for all Americans, right, left, and center. The movement has begun.
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MTG and Tucker Carlson announce new ‘movement’ in photo packed with MAGA renegades​


Marjorie Taylor Greene announced a new political “movement” with a group of MAGA stalwarts who have broken with President Donald Trump over the ongoing Iran war.

On August 1, the former Georgia Republican posted a photo on X depicting her alongside media personality Tucker Carlson, Rep. Thomas Massie and Joe Kent, the former director of the National Counterterrorism Center. Also pictured was conservative journalist Brian Glenn, whom Greene married in Las Vegas on Tuesday.

“We said no more foreign wars and we meant it and supported Donald Trump because he made that promise,” Greene wrote. “But he’s betrayed us all. Our commitment is America First for all Americans, right, left, and center,” she continued.”

“The movement has begun,” she added.

Greene, who resigned from Congress in January, had previously discussed the possibility of forming a new political party after growing “fed up” with Republicans.

“I think there’s a group of us that if we decide to align, we could launch a true America-focused party that doesn’t fall into the traps of Democrats or Republicans, but could align some serious players from the right and the left,” she told Piers Morgan on June 30.

Carlson, a former Fox News host turned popular podcaster, echoed this sentiment in July, telling The Columbia Journalism Review: “There’s going to be a third party, and I’m going to do everything I can to bring that about.”

Greene and Massie, who lost his Kentucky primary earlier this year to a Trump-backed rival, also vacationed together in May, where they discussed “the future of politics in America.”

Greene, Massie, Kent and Carlson all turned against Trump over the Iran war, launched in February, arguing that it amounted to a betrayal of his campaign promise to end “forever wars.”

Carlson called the war “disgusting and evil,” while Kent — who served as Trump’s counterterrorism chief — resigned in March over his opposition to the conflict.

“I cannot in good conscience support the ongoing war in Iran,” Kent wrote in a letter posted to X. “Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation, and it is clear that we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby.”

Greene, meanwhile, had already broken with Trump over the Epstein files by the time the war began. After Trump publicly attacked her, she said she would resign from Congress rather than “endure a hurtful and hateful primary.” Massie had also split with Trump over the Epstein files and lost his primary in May to retired Navy SEAL Ed Gallrein, a Trump loyalist. His current term ends in January.

In late July, Massie was among several Republicans who voted for a war powers resolution aimed at reining in Trump’s authority to wage the Iran war. The measure passed the House 214-208.

Trump has unleashed harsh attacks on the former MAGA allies who turned against him, calling Greene a “traitor,” Kent a “SLEAZEBAG,” Carlson a “Low IQ person” and Massie “Weak and Pathetic.”

In response to broader criticism of the war — which has led to the death of 18 U.S. service members and thousands of Iranians — Trump has said the conflict is necessary to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.

While multiple polls show that most Americans oppose a war with Iran, history suggests that a third party would face steep odds of success. No third-party candidate has won the presidency in the modern era, and only a small number of lawmakers in Congress are not aligned with either major party.

The Independent has contacted the White House for comment.

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MTG and Tucker Carlson announce new ‘movement’ in photo packed with MAGA renegades

‘Our commitment is America First for all Americans, right, left, and center,’ Marjorie Taylor Greene wrote on X
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King Samson said:
What do all of them have in common?
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They all do not want America in ANY foreign wars. It is pretty simple.
I do not really like any of them but their point is valid.
I liked Trump's first term. He tried to keep his promises.
This term he has become a turncoat, just another typical politician.
Don't say he is better than the drunk whore. I voted for what he said.
I will never waste my time voting ever again.
auxman said:
This new mega-party is destined to fail because our country is so polarized right now.
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Obviously this ^ is a true statement.
Maybe these people are just trying to get Trump to turn back to what he said he would do.
 
:fprt King Samson... you were asked politely by the thread starter to NOT be a jerk...that absolutely includes NOT drifting the thread and insisting on airing your personal views over and over.

If that's beyond your capabilities, please refrain from posting on this thread.

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Sherrynboo said:
To me, all they will accomplish is dividing the GOP to ensure a Dem win.
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The republican party is already divided. What caused that division? IMO, the inverse of your statement is what's going to give the Dem's one hell of a chance. Thankfully they are crazy AF and are experiencing their own division.

How Israel and Iran Are Fracturing Both Parties in the Midterms​

Bitter foreign policy debates over Israel and Iran are fracturing the Democratic and Republican parties, creating powerful wedge issues that are reshaping the battle for control of Congress this year and could affect the 2028 presidential election.
The dispute among Democrats, in particular, has already left a lasting mark on the midterms. Israel’s growing unpopularity since the war in Gaza began nearly three years ago emerged as a dominant force last week, when two incumbent House Democrats in New York lost to primary challengers who had cast them as insufficiently critical of the U.S. ally.

And both U.S. support of Israel and the war with Iran continue to cause fissures inside the Republican Party, and particularly within President Trump’s Make America Great Again movement. Isolationists who hailed Mr. Trump’s campaign promise to avoid foreign wars say they feel betrayed by his intervention in Iran and the domestic consequence: spiking prices.

Recently, another front has emerged against the president. Now that he is negotiating with Iran, he faces backlash from hawks within the party who believe he did not achieve his goal of crippling the country’s military and nuclear capabilities, let alone end its hard-line regime.

The rifts are producing unsettling election outcomes in a critical midterm year in which control of Congress, and the fate of Mr. Trump’s agenda, are at stake. Some centrist Democrats are losing, with more at risk in upcoming races. Some Republican voters are staying home, a potential disaster for their party if the trend carries to November.

All of those dynamics are emboldening critics who want to permanently reshape their respective parties’ ideologies and policy platforms — and who are planning to take that fight to the 2028 presidential election.
The powers within both parties seem at a loss on how to handle their increasingly restive and unpredictable bases.

Democrats were especially shaken by the insurgent left’s success in New York last Tuesday. Voters nominated two democratic socialists who embraced anti-Israel positions and rhetoric.

“We’ve got to figure out a way so it doesn’t blow the party apart,” said Matt Bennett, a co-founder of Third Way, a centrist Democratic think tank. Mr. Bennett described a Democratic “freakout” following the results on Tuesday over whether the rise of hard-left candidates would repel Jewish and moderate voters.

Republicans are experiencing divisions of their own over the party’s support for Israel. The Iran war exacerbated underlying tensions among Republicans over what “America First,” Mr. Trump’s resonant but ill-defined campaign message, means when it comes to backing Israel in conflicts in the Middle East.

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“It’s much more fun, I think — for most of us who lean right or right-leaning independents — to be fighting with the left,” the podcaster Megyn Kelly told Vice President JD Vance earlier this month. “But it’s been kind of civil war-y over on the conservative team since this whole thing got launched.”

Still, Mr. Trump’s hold on his party remains dominant, with Republicans he has derided as insufficiently loyal losing their primaries. That grip has tamped down some internal party conflict.

Decisive primary outcomes​

Polls show that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has radically changed attitudes among Democratic voters, who are now largely unified in sympathizing with the Palestinians. Many leading Democrats are now sharply more critical of Israel.
But the pro-Palestinian rhetoric from far-left candidates still makes some mainstream Democrats uncomfortable. Some of it, said Scott Stringer, a Democratic former New York City comptroller, amounts to “blatant antisemitism.”

“If there is a group of people who may be having temporary electoral success who believe the path forward is to use antisemitism as a wedge,” he said, “then there’s going to be a battle within the Democratic Party.”

The tensions have produced decisive primary outcomes only in states or congressional districts that are not competitive. The New York City races are likely to turn existing Democratic districts only a darker shade of blue.

The danger for establishment Democrats is for hard-left candidates to win competitive primaries and then struggle to appeal to more ideologically diverse voters in the general election, when economic issues are expected to drive voter choices.

Mr. Trump has already branded New York’s democratic socialist victors, who had the support of Mayor Zohran Mamdani, as “communists.”

“Donald Trump wants to portray the Democratic Party as either having been overtaken by D.S.A. or Mayor Mamdani, and that is not the case,” said Halie Soifer, chief executive of the Jewish Democratic Council of America. The New York candidates, she added, “could not win anywhere else.”

That has not stopped them from trying. Far-left progressives are on the ballot in several states, including Colorado, Michigan and Wisconsin, trying to challenge the conventional wisdom that extremists cannot win battleground races. The left argues that it is time to try a different tack that could win over some Trump voters — a theory that will not be tested until the fall.

Democratic leaders are perhaps most worried about Michigan’s upcoming Senate primary in August, a race they believe they must win in November if they are to succeed at gaining the Senate majority.

Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the minority leader, who has backed moderate candidates in an attempt to flip Republican-held seats, is supporting Representative Haley Stevens against Dr. Abdul El-Sayed, a progressive former public health official.

Richard Czuba, a Michigan pollster, said it would be a “huge mistake” to infer Michigan outcomes from the New York primary results. “The Michigan electorate for an August Democratic primary doesn’t look at all like a New York primary electorate,” he said, noting that Michigan voters lean older, less college educated and 30 percent Black.

Mr. Czuba also noted that, while most Democratic primary voters in the state consider Gaza an important issue, “consistently, Gaza comes in last on that list” as far as the issue that moves them to actually go vote.

In an interview, however, Dr. El-Sayed argued that Michigan voters share some of the same sentiments as New York City voters: that politicians are more interested in fund-raising from corporate donors than in making groceries, rent or homeownership more affordable.

“They are sick and tired of all of it, and they want answers,” he said on Friday. “And neither party seems to be giving it to them.”

“We make the mistake of thinking that Gaza is not a pocketbook issue,” he added. “People understand that their money is being used to kill other people.”

Declining Enthusiasm Within MAGA​

Overall, Republicans still overwhelmingly support Mr. Trump, polls show. Most of his endorsed candidates have won their primaries, with a few notable exceptions in governor’s races.

And the generational divide on foreign policy is stark: 53 percent of Republican voters under 45 disapprove of Mr. Trump’s handling of the Iran war, according to a New York Times/Siena poll conducted in May, compared with the 75 percent of older Republicans who approve.

Republicans were forced to grapple with some of those questions beginning with Mr. Trump’s ascent in 2016. Over time, the party transformed into the president’s pro-tariff, anti-interventionist image, bringing into the Republican fold new voters who found those positions appealing.

That transformation made Mr. Trump’s support for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and his military campaign in Gaza, and even more so the Trump administration’s decision to attack Iran, hard for some MAGA voters to swallow.

On the same day that the two democratic socialists won in New York City last week, Marjorie Taylor Greene, the former congresswoman and firebrand, announced that she was leaving the Republican Party because of her opposition to the Iran war. She followed the conservative media giant Tucker Carlson, who also left the party, citing the same reason.

In April, Mr. Trump lumped Ms. Kelly with Mr. Carlson, both former Fox News hosts, and other right-wing podcasters who have been critical of the Iran war, calling them “nut jobs” and “troublemakers.” But Mr. Vance’s appearance on Ms. Kelly’s popular podcast to defend the administration’s preliminary peace deal with Iran showed that the White House was attuned to the divisions over foreign policy on the right.

For Ms. Kelly and Mr. Carlson, the U.S.-Israeli war on Iran represented a betrayal of Mr. Trump’s promises to avoid Middle East entanglements, and highlighted Israel’s exceptional status in American foreign policy. Even as Mr. Trump was turning away from traditional U.S. allies in Europe and Asia, he was doubling down on the partnership with Israel.

The terms of the debate switched again in the last two weeks, as the administration reached a preliminary agreement with Iran. The deal angered some of the same Republicans who had enthusiastically backed Mr. Trump’s decision to go to war in February.

Mark R. Levin, the hawkish Fox News host, called the administration’s diplomatic push with Iran “one of the most shocking flips in military and diplomatic history.”
The electoral consequences of the intraparty fight remain far from clear. Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky, the Iran war’s loudest Republican critic in the House, lost in May to a primary challenger who was heavily backed by pro-Israel donors.

The depth of the fissures in the two parties will not become fully apparent until after the midterms, depending on how candidates representing anti-interventionist views in both parties do — and perhaps not until 2028 presidential contenders start campaigning. A presidential election, particularly in a year with no incumbent, more naturally leads to discussions about big policy questions and America’s role in the world.

“The intraparty fractures are really going to be interesting to watch,” Robert Blizzard, a Republican pollster, said. “The MAGA America First noninterventionists and progressive Democrats are not going to vote the same way on Election Day, but they’re functionally aligned.”

 
Iran's war on America started in 1979 with the seizing of the US embassy in Tehran. The US didn't start this war. Trump didn't start this war. Iran did under President Jimmy Carter, a Democrat. Trump took action with Israel after it was determined Iran was continuing it's development of nuclear weapons. Trump is making the world a safer, more prosperous place to live.

Nuclear armed terrorists cannot be allowed period!

If you want to live under that fear, then go ahead and support Iran and everything they stand for. Then live with the results.
 
From last month...

Tucker Carlson, Who Broke With Trump, Plans to ‘Help Build a Third Party’​


Tucker Carlson, the influential conservative media commentator, said in an interview that he planned to help start a new political party after leaving the Republican Party, but that he had no interest in running for office.

Mr. Carlson, a former close ally of President Trump who has broken with the Republican Party over the war with Iran, told the Columbia Journalism Review that he was “going to help build a third party.”

“There should be a good-faith effort to figure out what benefits the country,” Mr. Carlson said in an interview with the Columbia Journalism Review published Wednesday.

He outlined his plans at a moment of upheaval for both parties: The insurgent left appears ascendant in the Democratic Party as the base has grown angry over the party leadership’s stance on Israel since the war in Gaza. The Republican Party has been fractured by Mr. Trump’s handling of the war with Iran.

Mr. Carlson, a popular podcaster and former Fox News host, said last month that he was leaving the Republican Party. He described himself on a podcast episode as a “consistent defender” of the party for 35 years, but said that he believed the party had lost touch with “America first” principles under Mr. Trump.

In the Columbia Journalism Review interview, he described some of the policies that might animate his new party, saying he supports “ending all immigration.” A longtime nativist and immigration hard-liner prone to conspiratorial views, Mr. Carlson said immigration drives unemployment. (Many economists say it does not.)

He also argued that the two parties did not offer a sufficient contrast on “war and finance.”

“That’s not a democracy,” Mr. Carlson told the Columbia Journalism Review. “That’s a one-party state posing as a democracy, and it needs to be broken, and there’s going to be a third party, and I’m going to do everything I can to bring that about.”

Mr. Carlson was often at Mr. Trump’s side during his 2024 presidential campaign and pushed Mr. Trump to select JD Vance, then a senator from Ohio, as his running mate.

But he broke sharply with the president after the United States started the war with Iran in late February, declaring Mr. Trump was violating a core campaign promise to avoid foreign conflicts. By April, Mr. Carlson said he was “tormented” by his past support for the president.

He told the Columbia Journalism Review that he had not spoken to Mr. Trump since the start of the war, which has been largely paused by a fragile cease-fire.
“I’m not interested in talking to him,” Mr. Carlson told the publication.

In the past, Mr. Carlson’s relationship with Mr. Trump has been revived after rocky stretches. In a text surfaced by a defamation lawsuit filed by Dominion Voting Systems, Mr. Carlson wrote of Mr. Trump, “I hate him passionately.” (Mr. Carlson was fired by Fox News after it agreed to pay $787.5 million to resolve the case, which centered on the network’s promotion of 2020 election misinformation.)
But Mr. Carlson’s frequent, forceful public criticism of Mr. Trump since the war began has led to some speculation that he might be angling for his own run for office.

Mr. Carlson told the Columbia Journalism Review that he was not entertaining the idea, and he insisted he did not see himself as a competitor to Mr. Trump.

“I’m not a politician, that’s for sure,” Mr. Carlson told the publication. “I’m not a rival to Trump for power. I have no power. I’m someone who knows Trump, and I know him well, and I’ve known him for a long time.”

 
energy_wave said:
Iran's war on America started in 1979 with the seizing of the US embassy in Tehran.
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Hi, you're missing a lot of information and history with that statement. I'd start with educating yourself with the end of WW1 and the dividing of the Ottoman Empire, then read up all the way to the 1950's, then pay close attention to that decade and America's empire building dreams, with a lot of help from other western countries, took control of Iran oil. Cause and effect, leads you to 1979.

Here's a quick reference...


1953: The CIA assists in coup​

U.S. and British intelligence agencies laid the groundwork for a coup in Iran that would oust the country’s prime minister, Mohammad Mosaddegh, and return to power a monarchy that was friendly to the West, in the form of Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi. The act that prompted the coup was Mosaddegh’s nationalization of the country’s oil production, which had previously been controlled by the British. In the aftermath the U.S. and U.K. strong-armed the shah into giving U.S., British, and French oil companies an ownership stake in Iran’s oil production for 25 years. It would not be the last time oil played a key role in Western relations with Iran. (The CIA, which had long denied playing a role in the toppling of the Mosaddegh government, admitted its involvement in 2013.)
 
More power to 'em, if they want to try starting a third party. Seriously, I don't see any significant influence from them that will cause big problems. If it furthers actual DISCUSSION (rather than arguing pointlessly) it might even be positive in the long run. It could force the traditional parties to shape up, you know? Actually create platforms based on issues, in an ideal world. But I won't hold my breath.
 
Sometimes "absolutes" just don't work. I personally detest wars having been in one. However, should we have stayed out of WWII and allowed Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany take over the world?
This current "war" with Iran has been long simmering with generations of politicians whistling past the grave yard. Then, Shazaam, we hear that the crazies in Iran are very close to having a nuclear weapon. Should we just sit back and twiddle our thumbs?

I don't like the haphazard way this war is being prosecuted, but I'm not going to slouch away and mumble about never voting again.

Those in the picture are sore losers because they didn't get their way. Sometimes events overtake good intentions.

All they are in my opinion are

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That's my opinion to which I am entitled.
 
Groucho said:
should we have stayed out of WWII and allowed Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany take over the world?
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We would have had not Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. Or that's what the historians imply anyhow.
Groucho said:
. Then, Shazaam, we hear that the crazies in Iran are very close to having a nuclear weapon.
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No shazaam, we've been hearing that for 20+ years. It's also the same logic used by the neocons to get the US to invade Iraq. You remember all that mushroom cloud talk from Powell, Cheney, Rice??

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x49j6yzokMk

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Groucho said:
Sometimes events overtake good intentions.
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I do agree with this.
 
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energy_wave said:
Iran's war on America started in 1979 with the seizing of the US embassy in Tehran. The US didn't start this war. Trump didn't start this war. Iran did under President Jimmy Carter, a Democrat. Trump took action with Israel after it was determined Iran was continuing it's development of nuclear weapons. Trump is making the world a safer, more prosperous place to live.

Nuclear armed terrorists cannot be allowed period!

If you want to live under that fear, then go ahead and support Iran and everything they stand for. Then live with the results.
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Without getting too far in the weeds and thread drifting, this "War" started back in 1953 when WE, at the behest of what would become BP , made sure that the dully elected President of Iran would be overthrown , thus stopping him from nationalizing the oil fields, calling him a Communist sympathizer, anti west etc...

This could not have been further from the truth , he was not communist , he was VERY pro west however he did believ that the oil in those fields belonged to the people of Iran and not some foreign oil company. This then festered until the 1979 overthrow of the Shah. History is written by the victors so you dont find much about our part early on in 1953 but it is the root cause for the Radical Islamists being able to take over and absolutely hate us, hence why we are called the "Great Satan"

As much as I loath Islam in any form, we tend to cause our own trouble by getting involved where we should not be.
 
Countrybumpkin said:
I still think Trump knew Iran had a nuke, and was intent on using it-somewhere...and he had no choice but to go in and stop it. Some people- like MTG, should know the inside scoop on this. I think he saved thousands of lives by doing what he is doing.
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Almost like we KNEW Iraq has WMD's that were found and disposed of ...oh wait, we never found them either.

Iran has been "2 weeks away" from getting a nuke for 15+ years...who knows maybe they were.

Funny, we "Let " China, Russia, North Korea, Pakistan , India etc...to have them and most of them mean to do us harm for sure but why then did we "Allow" them to get them and do nothing ?
 
If Congress could bother themselves to pass the SAVE ACT and other legislation on the agenda, this third party development might not be such threat.

But the reality is that the bases of both parties are getting more and more demoralized. Witness the rise of the Democratic Socialists in just the last month. It's really got establishment Democrats in a tough spot.
TheHippie said:
The danger for establishment Democrats is for hard-left candidates to win competitive primaries and then struggle to appeal to more ideologically diverse voters in the general election, when economic issues are expected to drive voter choices.
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But if you compare the DSA party to this America First party, which do you think has more crossover appeal? So far it's young, wealthy white voters supporting minority candidates that is winning for the DSA. Not the broader working classes. Or anyone with half a brain. America First might just be the answer for disenfranchised voters that understand reality.


I don't see this America First party having much impact in 2026 but 2028?

Ross Perot didn't start his Reform Party until well into the 1992 election cycle and managed to get 20% of the vote. These people have a lot more runway.
 
energy_wave said:
Iran's war on America started in 1979 with the seizing of the US embassy in Tehran. The US didn't start this war. Trump didn't start this war. Iran did under President Jimmy Carter, a Democrat. Trump took action with Israel after it was determined Iran was continuing it's development of nuclear weapons. Trump is making the world a safer, more prosperous place to live.

Nuclear armed terrorists cannot be allowed period!

If you want to live under that fear, then go ahead and support Iran and everything they stand for. Then live with the results.
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Iranians did not just wake up one morning in 1979 and decide to hate America.

Actually if you zoom out a bit more, the war probably started when US intelligence agencies interfered in Iranian internal politics and started a coup in Iran (Operation Ajax). The Iranian anger on display in 1979 can largely be traced back to that. The US lit the fuse on the bomb which later blew up in its face.
 
TheHippie said:
The republican party is already divided. What caused that division?
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Absolutely. In effect, there is the “republican” party (aka boomers and early GenX), and then everyone else on the right (who is politically homeless at the moment).

auxman said:
This new mega-party is destined to fail because our country is so polarized right now.
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To a degree, but there is more overlap than you would imagine.

The defining issue on which success or failure of this party depends is support for Israel. People are done getting oppressed and bled dry by and for that country.

If they platform cutting all ties and support, they could absolutely take some GenX, and most millennials and younger from both conservative and liberal pools. It is that big of an issue.
 
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#1. Trump is the only choice.
#2. No one on either side is a close 2nd.
#3. The US has been in a state of war with Iran since ‘79. There has been no embassy there since.
#4. Trump is doing what every president since Jimmy Carter should’ve done.

I don‘t agree with how he is doing it
but my disagreement on the process
does not alter the reality of the thing.
 
America First indeed!

Ensuring our cultural continuity as a nation among other nations is a distinct part of the plan.

Nobody wants foreign wars, except maybe the Marines because they live to kick ass.

And I'd bet that most of them don't really enjoy it that much either.

Great statesmanship takes a big stick, and a big something that rhymes with it.

If MTG and krew don't like it, I've heard Somalia is looking to hire some 'influencers.'

Pack your ass and get on a plane...

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I say go for it.

At this point point Trump is the swamp. Maybe the other side of it, but still the swamp. His people are getting richer, but I don't think the average American is any better off. He seems more focused on putting gold on the whitehouse and building a ballroom, than working to fix the country.

He is a massive egotist, and wants to put his name everywhere he can. A lot of what he says seems to be at the moment. One day Iran is decimated and begging for peace, the next they are still massive threat. This has gone on for the last months. How many times did he state the Iran nuke program was dead, but he still started a war because of it. A war he said we wouldn't get into. A war that would only last 4 to 6 weeks 5 months ago. Current gas prices and issues with the straight of Hormuz are on him. He started this shooting war

The man is liar. Where are the epstine files? He lies on his truth social posts quite often and post things that he seems to think are presidential decrees for things that he doesn't power to do. Remember the one about when he posted that masks could no longer be worn at protests? He doesn't have the power. He wants to rule by a post and is an authoritarian.

He doesn't seem to care about freedom and has even taken freedom away from people. The pro 2nd amendment president banned bump stocks without any kind of grandfathering. His security can have automatic weapons for the subjects can't. He also took freedom of choice away from people 18-21 by banning them from buying tobacco products. He has turned into one of those old people that think he knows better than others and has no issue leading like a dictator.

Something that still pisses me off is how members in his administration labeled the people that were shot and killed by ICE a few months ago. Instead of saying that let investigation tell us what happened they were attacking the character of the dead, and even saying they were domestic terrorists. Those people might be, but the admin should not be having knee jerk reactions

But hey the american subjects get a new whitehouse ballroom that didn't cost the tax payers a dime.....oops what happened to that paying paid for by donations.... We got a cool UFC fight on the whitehouse lawn, don't I feel better.
 
hiwall said:
They all do not want America in ANY foreign wars. It is pretty simple.
I do not really like any of them but their point is valid.
I liked Trump's first term. He tried to keep his promises.
This term he has become a turncoat, just another typical politician.
Don't say he is better than the drunk whore. I voted for what he said.
I will never waste my time voting ever again.

Obviously this ^ is a true statement.
Maybe these people are just trying to get Trump to turn back to what he said he would do.
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Henry Bowman said:
Almost like we KNEW Iraq has WMD's that were found and disposed of ...oh wait, we never found them either.

Iran has been "2 weeks away" from getting a nuke for 15+ years...who knows maybe they were.

Funny, we "Let " China, Russia, North Korea, Pakistan , India etc...to have them and most of them mean to do us harm for sure but why then did we "Allow" them to get them and do nothing ?
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Boom headshot!
 
The current political system is alive in name only. Politician worship is dead where it matters.

This is dead:

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Once the current generation leaves political power we are going to see a tectonic shift in what is and what is known as “politics”.

What comes next? Who knows. This new America first (more akin to America only) political party is the start. It is an attempt to change the system from within, without bloodshed.

And for that, I hope they are successful.

We will see if it is successful, or if it is blocked by the current system and its proponents.

As we are seeing on this thread and many others, truth and reality cannot be reconciled with the personal worldviews of some posters. As I said in the other thread, the righteousness of the Iran war and President Trump have become a “load bearing belief”.

Further, as we saw with COVID, when the truth is made known, even to the MSM watching normies, many will still be unable to correct their course.

Fortunately, time will bear out the truth as it always does, and these viewpoints are dying.
 
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