ECON Make Preparations! Canadian Cross Border Trucking Vaxx Mandate Now In Effect, Domestic Trucking Mandate Starts Next Week

CaryC

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Make Preparations! Canadian Cross Border Trucking Vaxx Mandate Now In Effect, Domestic Trucking Mandate Starts Next Week
Authored by 'Sundance' via TheConservativeTreehouse.com,
The cross border vaccine mandate for truckers in/out of Canada is now in effect. The U.S. vaccine mandate takes effect on January 22nd.

It will take a few days to see the consequences, but there will be consequences.

Keep in mind, any impact is taking place in a supply chain system that is already tenuous and unstable at best. A small disruption that may have been minimally significant against a fully operational supply chain, is more likely to be a much bigger disruption in a supply chain that is already under a severe amount of demand side stress. Somewhere in the range of 16,000 to 38,000 daily loads are likely to be impacted.

When questioned about this, Canadian Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Dominic Leblanc says the trucking industry “has had adequate time to prepare for this. Keep in mind, the mandate was announced 45 days ago (November 30th). According to the Canadian government, changing the structural rules for all the logistics and commerce in cross border shipping, 45 days is enough notice.
WATCH:

CANADA – […] “I think you probably won’t see that movement … that the government’s looking for,” retail expert Bruce Winder told CTV News Channel on Saturday when asked if the effort will encourage truckers to get vaccinated.
[…] The mandate throws a “major wrench” in the Canadian and North American supply chains, he added, with grocers, food producers, the auto parts industry and building materials among the sectors expected to be most affected.
“I really hope that we’re not at the stage where you see food insecurity, where you’re actually going to grocery stores and there’s nothing on the shelf,” Winder said. “That could be the worst-case scenario.”
Mike Millian, president of the Private Motor Truck Council of Canada, told CTV News Channel on Saturday that there were as many 23,000 vacancies at the end of the third quarter of 2021, with his group’s own studies showing that roughly 20 per cent of Canadian truck drivers operating across the border are unvaccinated.
[…] “If we remove a fifth of that workforce, we’re going to see shortages on shelves and we’re going to see inflation of prices, because the cost to bring this stuff here is going to go up.” (read more)
The truth is no one knows how bad the disruption will be. What we do know is that there will be disruption, and there is no infrastructure for a level of rig-switching at the border crossing region that could accommodate changing rigs, drop-offs and/or pick-ups or driver transfers on the scale that is being discussed. The logistics here are a total mess.

Keep your fingers crossed, but prepare for FUBAR.

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ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Too bad. Would be interested in seeing everything shut down with a massive trucker strike. The High and Mighty don't really realize how important all these "little people" are. It's the "Little People" that really have the power to shut everything down.
 

mostlyharmless

Veteran Member
What do we import from Canada? The answer to the question seems to vary based on the source. Everything I've seen conflicts.


Canada Exports to United StatesValueYear
Iron and steel$4.53B2020
Cereal, flour, starch, milk preparations and products$4.06B2020
Articles of iron or steel$3.97B2020
Optical, photo, technical, medical apparatus$3.85B2020

  1. Mineral fuels including oil: US$69.1 billion (17.7% of total exports)
  2. Vehicles: $46.5 billion (11.9%)
  3. Machinery including computers: $28.9 billion (7.4%)
  4. Gems, precious metals: $23 billion (5.9%)
  5. Wood: $13.5 billion (3.4%)
  6. Plastics, plastic articles: $12.4 billion (3.2%)
  7. Electrical machinery, equipment: $11 billion (2.8%)
  8. Ores, slag, ash: $9.9 billion (2.5%)
  9. Aircraft, spacecraft: $9.7 billion (2.5%)
  10. Pharmaceuticals: $8.5 billion (2.2%)
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
Add up the percentages in that table and almost 60% of Canadian exports come to the USA, but not all via truck, admittedly. (A lot of oil crosses the border via rail; Warren Buffet's political payoff from the Obama and Bai-Den administrations keep his railroad afloat by shutting down Keystone, for instance) I confess to being somewhat surprised that it's only 60%, actually.

I've always said that the northern border should be closed off for 6 months every now and then to remind them uppity Canadians :D they're an accident of geography living large under our nuclear umbrella all these years. But I never considered the thought that they'd be foolish enough to do it to themselves!

Reality smacking everyone in the face will play havoc with tyrannical policies which are mostly supported by fear porn.
 

lonestar09

Veteran Member

Canada



U.S.-Canada Trade Facts
In 2019, Canada GDP was an estimated $1.7 trillion (current market exchange rates); real GDP was up by an estimated 1.6%; and the population was 37 million. (Source: IMF)
U.S. goods and services trade with Canada totaled an estimated $718.4 billion in 2019. Exports were $360.4 billion; imports were $358.0 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade surplus with Canada was $2.4 billion in 2019.

Canada is currently our 2nd largest goods trading partner with $612.1 billion in total (two way) goods trade during 2019. Goods exports totaled $292.6 billion; goods imports totaled $319.4 billion. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Canada was $26.8 billion in 2019.

Trade in services with Canada (exports and imports) totaled an estimated $106.3 billion in 2019. Services exports were $67.7 billion; services imports were $38.6 billion. The U.S. services trade surplus with Canada was $29.2 billion in 2019.
Exports
  • Canada was the United States' largest goods export market in 2019.

  • U.S. goods exports to Canada in 2019 were $292.7 billion, down 2.4% ($7.1 billion) from 2018 but up 43.0% from 2009. U.S. exports to Canada are up 191% from 1993 (pre-NAFTA). U.S. exports to Canada account for 18% of overall U.S. exports in 2019.

  • The top export categories (2-digit HS) in 2019 were: vehicles ($52 billion), machinery ($45 billion), electrical machinery ($25 billion), mineral fuels ($25 billion), and plastics ($13 billion).

  • U.S. total exports of agricultural products to Canada totaled $24 billion in 2019, our 1th largest agricultural export market. Leading domestic export categories include: prepared food ($2.0 billion), fresh vegetables ($2.0 billion), fresh fruit ($1.5 billion), snack foods not elsewhere specified or indicated ($1.4 billion), and non-alcoholic beverages (ex. juices) ($1.0 billion).

  • U.S. exports of services to Canada were an estimated $67.7 billion in 2019, 1.7% ($1.2 billion) less than 2018, but 55.9% greater than 2009 levels. It was up roughly 298% from 1993 (pre-NAFTA). Leading services exports from the U.S. to Canada were in the travel, professional and management services, and intellectual property (computer software, audio visual and related products) sectors.
Imports
  • Canada was the United States' 3rd largest supplier of goods imports in 2019.

  • U.S. goods imports from Canada totaled $319.4 billion in 2019, up 0.3% ($906 million) from 2018, and up 41.2% from 2009. U.S. imports from Canada are up 187% from 1993 (pre-NAFTA). U.S. imports from Canada account for 12.8% of overall U.S. imports in 2019.

  • The top import categories (2-digit HS) in 2019 were: mineral fuels ($86 billion), vehicles ($53 billion), machinery ($23 billion), special other (returns) ($18 billion), and plastics ($11 billion).

  • U.S. total imports of agricultural products from Canada totaled $24 billion in 2019, our 2th largest supplier of agricultural imports. Leading categories include: snack foods ($4.8 billion), red meats, fresh, chilled, or frozen ($2.5 billion), other vegetable oils ($1.8 billion), processed fruit & vegetables ($1.6 billion), and fresh vegetables ($1.6 billion).

  • U.S. imports of services from Canada were an estimated $38.6 billion in 2019, 1.4% ($517 million) more than 2018, and 62.7% greater than 2009 levels. It was up roughly 323% from 1993 (pre-NAFTA). Leading services imports from Canada to the U.S. were in the travel, transport, and telecommunications, computer, and information services sectors.
Trade Balance
  • U.S. foreign direct investment (FDI) in Canada (stock) was $402.3 billion in 2019, a 9.2% increase from 2018. U.S. direct investment in Canada is led by manufacturing, nonbank holding companies, and finance and insurance.

  • Canada's FDI in the United States (stock) was $495.7 billion in 2019, up 12.0% from 2018. Canada's direct investment in the U.S. is led by manufacturing, finance and insurance, and wholesale trade.
Investment
  • U.S. foreign direct investment (FDI) in Canada (stock) was $402.3 billion in 2019, a 9.2% increase from 2018. U.S. direct investment in Canada is led by nonbank holding companies, manufacturing, and finance and insurance.

  • Canada's FDI in the United States (stock) was $495.7 billion in 2019, up 12.0% from 2018. Canada's direct investment in the U.S. is led by depository institutions, finance and insurance, and manufacturing.

  • Sales of services in Canada by majority U.S.-owned affiliates were $122.1 billion in 2017 (latest data available), while sales of services in the United States by majority Canada-owned firms were $126.2 billion.
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
I always made them from scratch, but its been a long time, it may take awhile to find the recipe.


ETA
To make tortillas:

Pour 1c. of hot water into a large mixing bowl.(Hot water will make your tortillas,+more flexible, easier to roil out.) Add 2 T. oil (optional) and ‘1/2 t. salt.

Mix. Add 2 cups white flour. Mix well, gradually add about 1 c or more of flour. Knead until smooth, Shape dough into small balls, about 1 inch in diameter and roll them out thin on a thickly floured surface. Pat off excess flour.

Cook on a hot, dry griddle or frying pan until bubbly and brown-flecked. ( Don't over cook. Tortillas should be soft and flexible.) They are best served immediately, or you can stack them in a deep, covered container or wrap them in a slightly damp towel to keep them

This recipe is from The Farm cookbook. I made them when I was at the farm and later and they were good. Hopefully, my patience won't be tried to have to make them again. But they are a good bread alternative.

God is good all the time

Judy
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Hopefully everyone learned from the past two years and the early Covid shortages to keep a good supply of flour and yeast on hand.

This Canada thing..not going to sweat it. If things begin to get uncomfortable, both sides will back off. Just make sure you can be comfortable well past most. ;)
 

OldAndCrazy

Pureblood Forever
Hopefully everyone learned from the past two years and the early Covid shortages to keep a good supply of flour and yeast on hand.

This Canada thing..not going to sweat it. If things begin to get uncomfortable, both sides will back off. Just make sure you can be comfortable well past most. ;)

Hopefully, but they didn't.
Within weeks we'll see storys about starving babies and the lack of Molson available for Canadian-Americans.
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Well, I just got home from Kroger and as I posted in the shortages thread, there was not one single box of saltines. No brands.
Other types were picked over.
I got more pasta. Still need more.
 

Barry Natchitoches

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I
Well, I just got home from Kroger and as I posted in the shortages thread, there was not one single box of saltines. No brands.
Other types were picked over.
I got more pasta. Still need more.
I have given up on being able to buy saltines in the near future.

Fortunately, I have several large, unopened boxes of Bisquick in the pantry.

Last night, I opened one of them and made the first biscuits I have ever made in my life (that did not come out of a refrigerated tube).

My wife enjoyed them with some homemade vegetable soup that I made. She was happy, and the soup plus biscuits stayed down (she has trouble eating alot of things, which is why I have looked so hard for saltines).
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I have given up on being able to buy saltines in the near future.

Fortunately, I have several large, unopened boxes of Bisquick in the pantry.

Last night, I opened one of them and made the first biscuits I have ever made in my life (that did not come out of a refrigerated tube).

My wife enjoyed them with some homemade vegetable soup that I made. She was happy, and the soup plus biscuits stayed down (she has trouble eating alot of things, which is why I have looked so hard for saltines).
Barry... have you tried Walmart online? They seem to have lots in stock...

Summerthyme
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
This was posted on another thread but thought it was appropriate to post it to this thread as well.

Canada may get a little hungry if their government doesn't get their collective heads out of the nether regions. Historically that doesn't usually end well for the government.

Fair use.
Truckers Stage MASSIVE Protest Blocking U.S. Border Defying Vaccine Mandates, Shortages Get WORSE
Jan 18, 2022
Truckers Stage MASSIVE Protest Blocking U.S. Border Defying Vaccine Mandates, Shortages Get WORSE.

Cananda's new plan to require all truckers entering to be vaccinated is causing a major crisis. As food shortages hit maybe democrat state and cities the last thing needed is for Truckers to bow out.

Without truckers food and goods will not reach cities. Yet politicians like Trudeau and many democrats seem oblivious to how the economy actually works

link to source:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55C-cITMTWw
 

DazedandConfused

Veteran Member
I always made them from scratch, but its been a long time, it may take awhile to find the recipe.


ETA
To make tortillas:

Pour 1c. of hot water into a large mixing bowl.(Hot water will make your tortillas,+more flexible, easier to roil out.) Add 2 T. oil (optional) and ‘1/2 t. salt.

Mix. Add 2 cups white flour. Mix well, gradually add about 1 c or more of flour. Knead until smooth, Shape dough into small balls, about 1 inch in diameter and roll them out thin on a thickly floured surface. Pat off excess flour.

Cook on a hot, dry griddle or frying pan until bubbly and brown-flecked. ( Don't over cook. Tortillas should be soft and flexible.) They are best served immediately, or you can stack them in a deep, covered container or wrap them in a slightly damp towel to keep them

This recipe is from The Farm cookbook. I made them when I was at the farm and later and they were good. Hopefully, my patience won't be tried to have to make them again. But they are a good bread alternative.

God is good all the time

Judy
Thanks I'm going to be making a hard copy of this recipe..
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Milton's crackers are baked in canada, so it's a good think I bought a dozen of them.
I converted about $1000 of soon to be useless frn's over the last month: 2 pair of columbia boots and socks, mucho food and toiletries, plus clothes and sundries, ike the BIG windex refill soap etc. Now I'm set.

Gotta say.......it’s getting easier and easier to “spot” the preppers, as I and others tool through the average countryside.

Their windows bulge, literally, as though they were made of a heavy, transparent plastic, under constant air pressure.

But they aren’t plastic, and even the typically not-so-discerning can see that it is not air that is pressed up against them.



So much for op-sec.







:cmpcf:
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Milton's crackers are baked in canada, so it's a good think I bought a dozen of them.
I converted about $1000 of soon to be useless frn's over the last month: 2 pair of columbia boots and socks, mucho food and toiletries, plus clothes and sundries, ike the BIG windex refill soap etc. Now I'm set.
Also something to consider is ....underwear. Socks are especially good, but would also suggest to split between wool, and cotton. Wore wool socks for 3 years in the Army, all year long.

You'll probably get a lot of other things to consider, but just wanted to mention those items, for those who are thinking of doing the same thing.
 

Hi-D

Membership Revoked
UNDERWEAR !!!!


My god, (little g) I hadn’t even thought about that !!!

:hof::hof::hof::hof::hof:


But then......some folks don’t even wear any.

Is it a big deal for them, as well ?




Asking for a friend.



:popcorn3:
Sounds like someone who was cold in Florida during Ranger school. Some did panty hose though.
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Its dead Jim.



Canada drops vaccine mandate for its truckers after pressure from industry


Manitoba-based truckers, transporting goods to and from the United States, are being vaccinated against coronavirus disease (COVID-19) as part of a deal between the Canadian province and the state of North Dakota, at a rest stop near Drayton, North Dakota, U.S. April 22, 2021. REUTERS/Dan Koeck


Jan 12 (Reuters) - Canada will allow unvaccinated Canadian truckers to cross in from the United States, reversing a decision requiring all truckers to be inoculated against the coronavirus, Canada's border agency said on Wednesday.
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau had faced pressure from the main opposition party and trucking lobby to drop the vaccine mandate for truckers, due to come into force on Saturday, saying it could result in driver shortages, disrupt trade and drive up inflation.

The Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) said that unvaccinated, or partially vaccinated Canadian truck drivers arriving at the U.S.-Canada border will remain exempt from pre-arrival, arrival and post-arrival testing and quarantine requirements.
However, truckers from the United States will still need to be vaccinated or they will be turned back at the border from Jan. 15, a CBSA spokesperson said.

A Canadian government source said the decision was taken to ensure smooth supply chains.
Trudeau's Liberal government had set the Saturday deadline requiring all truckers entering from the United States to show proof of vaccination as part of its fight against COVID-19.
With more than two-thirds of the C$650 billion ($511 billion) in goods traded annually between Canada and the United States travelling on roads, the trucking industry is key.

The Canadian Trucking Alliance (CTA) had estimated the government mandate could force some 16,000 cross-border drivers - 10 % of them - off the roads.
The mandate was the first policy measure taken since the pandemic began that could limit cross-border trucking traffic. Trucks crossed the border freely when the border was closed for 20 months because they were considered essential to keep supply chains open.
Supply chain disruptions drove Canada's headlineinflation to an 18-year high in November, and the Bank of Canada has signalled that it could raise interest rates as soon as April.
The cost of bringing a truckload of fruit and vegetables from California and Arizona to Canada doubled during the pandemic due to a driver shortage, Steve Bamford, chief executive of Bamford Produce, an importer and exporter of fresh fruit and vegetables based in Ontario told Reuters last week.
Fresh foods are sensitive to freight problems because they expire rapidly.
The Biden administration wants truck drivers at companies with 100 or more employees to be vaccinated or submit to weekly testing, a policy that has been challenged to the Supreme Court.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Its dead Jim.



Canada drops vaccine mandate for its truckers after pressure from industry


Manitoba-based truckers, transporting goods to and from the United States, are being vaccinated against coronavirus disease (COVID-19) as part of a deal between the Canadian province and the state of North Dakota, at a rest stop near Drayton, North Dakota, U.S. April 22, 2021. REUTERS/Dan Koeck


Jan 12 (Reuters) - Canada will allow unvaccinated Canadian truckers to cross in from the United States, reversing a decision requiring all truckers to be inoculated against the coronavirus, Canada's border agency said on Wednesday.
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau had faced pressure from the main opposition party and trucking lobby to drop the vaccine mandate for truckers, due to come into force on Saturday, saying it could result in driver shortages, disrupt trade and drive up inflation.

The Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) said that unvaccinated, or partially vaccinated Canadian truck drivers arriving at the U.S.-Canada border will remain exempt from pre-arrival, arrival and post-arrival testing and quarantine requirements.
However, truckers from the United States will still need to be vaccinated or they will be turned back at the border from Jan. 15, a CBSA spokesperson said.

A Canadian government source said the decision was taken to ensure smooth supply chains.
Trudeau's Liberal government had set the Saturday deadline requiring all truckers entering from the United States to show proof of vaccination as part of its fight against COVID-19.
With more than two-thirds of the C$650 billion ($511 billion) in goods traded annually between Canada and the United States travelling on roads, the trucking industry is key.

The Canadian Trucking Alliance (CTA) had estimated the government mandate could force some 16,000 cross-border drivers - 10 % of them - off the roads.
The mandate was the first policy measure taken since the pandemic began that could limit cross-border trucking traffic. Trucks crossed the border freely when the border was closed for 20 months because they were considered essential to keep supply chains open.
Supply chain disruptions drove Canada's headlineinflation to an 18-year high in November, and the Bank of Canada has signalled that it could raise interest rates as soon as April.
The cost of bringing a truckload of fruit and vegetables from California and Arizona to Canada doubled during the pandemic due to a driver shortage, Steve Bamford, chief executive of Bamford Produce, an importer and exporter of fresh fruit and vegetables based in Ontario told Reuters last week.
Fresh foods are sensitive to freight problems because they expire rapidly.
The Biden administration wants truck drivers at companies with 100 or more employees to be vaccinated or submit to weekly testing, a policy that has been challenged to the Supreme Court.
This is an older article that has since been retracted...

Summerthyme
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
The flour we personally get from canada is sprouted and roundup free.
Sounds like it's the good stuff.

I didn't know until just a few months ago that Roundup is typically not used while growing wheat but that it is often sprayed on the crop before harvest in order to dry it up. My BIL up in Great Falls (wheat and beef country) is usually more knowledgeable about this kind of thing than me and related that to me one day when I was asking him about the non-GMO status of Montana wheat.

I haven't followed up on this tidbit, so consider it unconfirmed information from a normally reliable source, as I do.
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
Sounds like it's the good stuff.

I didn't know until just a few months ago that Roundup is typically not used while growing wheat but that it is often sprayed on the crop before harvest in order to dry it up. My BIL up in Great Falls (wheat and beef country) is usually more knowledgeable about this kind of thing than me and related that to me one day when I was asking him about the non-GMO status of Montana wheat.

I haven't followed up on this tidbit, so consider it unconfirmed information from a normally reliable source, as I do.

My understanding is that it is not used often for drying wheat. I have also never been able to find anything that states that there is commercial GMO wheat being used anywhere in the world. I know it has been developed but isnt economically viable yet.
 
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