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Ken Starr: Impeaching Trump post-presidency 'is a flagrant violation' of the Constitution

Starr says it is a constitutional violation for the Senate to hold an impeachment trial without the chief justice.

By Natalia Mittelstadt
Updated: February 5, 2021 - 10:02am

The impending Senate impeachment trial of former President Trump "is a flagrant violation of the text, structure and history of our Constitution, and of the historical example of the Nixon resignation, and the cessation at that stage in the House of Representatives of impeachment inquiry," said former appellate judge and U.S. Solicitor General Ken Starr Thursday in an interview on the John Solomon Reports podcast.

Starr, who represented then-President Trump in his first impeachment trial, suspects that Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John Roberts has opted out of presiding over the forthcoming Senate trial on constitutional grounds.

"I'm going to draw an inference," Starr said, "and that is, the chief justice of the United States reads the Constitution and says, 'I have no authority to preside. No authority whatsoever. In fact, it would be, I believe, a violation of the Constitution for the chief justice of the United States to come preside over the trial of a former president, because the Constitution is very clear: In cases of the impeachment of the President of the United States, the chief justice shall preside."

Starr would like to see a formalized response from the chief justice to confirm the impeachment trial's unconstitutionality.

"Let's have someone send a letter to the chief justice of the United States saying, 'Excuse me, you have a duty to be here,'" Starr said. "And I would hope that the chief justice would respond in a formal way in these proceedings to say, 'I do not have authority because this is not the sitting president of the United States.'"

Noting that 45 Republican senators have already voted that they believe this impeachment trial is unconstitutional, Starr said he hopes all senators "of goodwill … who have taken an oath to defend, to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, would take that second look and really leave, for once, politics at the bloody door, right?

"Just leave it at the door, read the text of the Constitution, reflect on exactly what's about to happen, which I think is a pernicious — it's not only unconstitutional — it's a pernicious precedent, because as someone has recently said, and they were serious about it, 'Alright, then let's impeach Hillary Rodham Clinton. Oh, well, let's impeach Barack Obama.'"

"I think this is constitutionally flagrant and should be dismissed for lack of jurisdiction," Starr added, "which is just a fancy way of saying lack of authority on the part of the Senate, because the president of the United States is not now the subject of impeachment. It's a former president, they've lost their authority on January 20."

Starr cited the precedent of the impeachment of President Nixon.

"Once Richard Nixon resigned, the House of Representatives stopped on a dime," he recalled. "They didn't continue them, they didn't debate, 'Well, wait a second, we've had all these hearings. The House Judiciary Committee, bipartisan, has voted out articles of impeachment, we need to go on, and we need to make sure Richard Nixon never runs for any office again.' Sound familiar? No, they stopped because they read their Constitution. The impeachment is about removal and then possible disqualification."

Starr explained that what the Senate would be doing with this impeachment trial is using it as a bill of attainder, which is prohibited by the Constitution.

"If the Senate goes forward, what they are toying with is what I consider a bill of attainder," he said. "They can't remove President Trump from office, he has left in accordance with with law, he left peacefully and lawfully. So, what are they doing? They are seeking to visit punishment on the head of a former government official, the former president of the United States. I believe that constitutes a constitutionally forbidden bill of attainder."
 

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AP-NORC Poll: Fewer Than Half Think Senate Should Convict Trump In Next Week’s Trial

ED MORRISSEYPosted at 11:00 am on February 5, 2021

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Maybe the rope-a-dope strategy imposed on Donald Trump by social-media platforms paid off. Almost exactly a month after the Capitol riot that resulted in a second impeachment, fewer than half of Americans want Trump convicted in the US Senate next week — even though a clear majority holds him at least somewhat responsible for it. A new poll from the Associated Press and NORC suggests that people may just want to move on:

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Nearly two-thirds of Americans believe that Trump bears at least a moderate amount of responsibility for the breach of the U.S. Capitol, including half who say he bears a great deal or quite a bit. Just over a third say he bears little to no responsibility. …
Fewer Americans, 47%, believe the Senate should vote to convict Trump after his impeachment trial, which begins next week. Another 40% say he should not be convicted, and 12% aren’t sure. Trump last month became the first president in the nation’s history to be impeached twice by the House, but it appears unlikely Democrats will have enough votes to convict him in the upper chamber.

Opinions on the trial fall along partisan lines, with more than 8 in 10 Democrats saying the Senate should convict, versus only about 1 in 10 Republicans. While those who believe he bears a large amount of responsibility generally believe he should be convicted, among those who say he is only moderately responsible, significantly more say the Senate should vote against than for conviction, 54% to 19%.
That last data bit speaks volumes about the tenor of this sample, and perhaps the country if this it’s representative. Those who passionately blame Trump fully for the riot and attack on Congress tend mainly to be Trump’s political opponents, and those are the most invested in Trump’s humiliation. Trump’s most loyal cadre of supporters don’t even want the trial, let alone a conviction.

Everyone else, however, just wants this to be over with, even if they think Trump bears at least some responsibility for what happened on January 6th.

Now, imagine what the tenor would be if Trump was still on Twitter and/or Facebook. It wouldn’t feel over, at least, and it would probably create more pressure for some action to lock Trump out for good among this group that considers him somewhat responsible. The social media bans have imposed the kind of message discipline on Trump that might have won him the election had he imposed it on himself a few months earlier.

A closer look at the results (although not at the data, unfortunately) shows that the middle ground is still pretty small. Only 13% assign a “moderate amount” of responsibility to Trump for the riot. Fifty percent give him “a great deal” or “quite a bit,” while 36% say “only a little/none at all.” Among independents, however, the distribution is much more even — 35% “great deal/quite a bit,” 27% “moderate,” and 34% for little or none. Essentially, impeachment and conviction is a partisan food fight, and the nonpartisans aren’t all that invested in it.

Two more data points are of interest in this poll. The snap historical judgment breaks down along almost identical lines to the conviction question:
Half of Americans say that Trump was a terrible or poor president, 15% say he was average, and 36% say he was good or great. In comparison, 52% said Barack Obama had been a good or great president after his eight years in office, 20% thought he was average, and 28% described him as terrible or poor.
Suffice it to say that all this demonstrates is how silly it is to ask that question two weeks after the end of a presidency. It will take decades to see how this fully plays out. Finally, we have this:

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Republicans had better start paying attention to independents on this issue.

Especially after seeing how the “stolen election” argument worked out for them in Georgia. If they can’t get Republicans to turn out, they’d better start working on the reach among independents.
 

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Ken Blackwell: What Trump Must Do in His Senate Impeachment Trial
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KEN BLACKWELL4 Feb 2021718

We are less than a week away from a congressional event that will be a pivotal moment on our nation’s history as a constitutional republic, and former President Donald Trump should use this unconstitutional impeachment trial to force a national conversation on democratic principles and election integrity.

The former president should order his lawyers to lay out the problems inherent in large-scale mail-in balloting and the constitutional violations that occurred in key states, to spur state-level reforms nationwide.

Now that the former president’s lawyers have confirmed that he will not be personally appearing in the Senate trial, the media will not be able to concoct an excuse not to cover his lawyer’s presentations on the constitutional and statutory violations that cast a shadow on how November’s election was conducted.

I have spent half a century in public life, with a special focus on elections, both here in America and abroad. As anyone who has been a candidate for office can tell you, in every campaign you need to take stock of your strongest issues, and make those the centerpiece of your pitch to the voters. You communicate those points to voters in language carefully selected to minimize your opponent’s ability to twist your words into something that misleads the public and unnecessarily costs you votes.

This is all the more true for presidential politics. As Ohio Secretary of State, I administered the presidential elections in the Buckeye State in 2000 and 2004. In that second election, Ohio was Ground Zero for the nation. If John Kerry had flipped just 60,000 votes, he would have beaten George W. Bush to become president of the United States.

I also know what it is to be wrongly accused of violating election rights.

Democrats accused me of short-changing Ohio Democrat stronghold Franklin County of voting machines, despite the fact that in Ohio the decision they criticized was made by the 88 county elections boards, and the elections board of Franklin County is controlled by – you guessed it – Democrats.

Once I was even involved in objections raised in the Jan. 6 joint session of Congress to certify the Electoral College results. Democrats in the House and Senate objected to counting the Bush electors from Ohio, arguing that I had suppressed black votes (despite being black myself), and therefore that Ohio’s results were not valid.

Even though those attacks were false, I acknowledge that Democrats in the House and Senate had the prerogative in 2005 to voice their objections during that joint session. It is an ominous sign of the current cancel culture that for raising objections in 2021, House and Senate members are threatened, and corporations announced that they will cut off campaign contributions to those lawmakers.

Hopefully that range of experience puts me in a position to offer some advice to President Trump on facing the challenges of an impeachment trial and channeling it in a direction to foster positive outcomes though the points his lawyers need to address.

This will be the second time I have offered advice to the former president’s advisers. The first was when I advised his reelection campaign that when referring to President Trump’s commitment to keep American neighborhoods safe and to support our wonderful men and women in law enforcement that he should use phrases like “rule of law” and “public safety” rather than “law and order.” I did this because there are two groups for whom “law and order” carries a negative connotation, especially after the president’s earlier references to the Secret Service using “vicious dogs” to protect the White House.

The first is black voters. “Law and order” was used in the 1950s, 60s and 70s as code for racism, where white politicians would use it as justification for mistreating black Americans and suppressing black votes. It brings back memories of Bull Connor, fire hoses, and large police dogs attacking black protestors. Areas like the Atlanta suburbs in Georgia are teeming with affluent black Americans for whom the phrase brings back painful memories for middle-aged and older black Americans, and disturbing stories passed down by parents and grandparents to younger black Americans.

The second group is suburban white voters. College-educated middle-income and higher-income white Americans who live in the suburbs and are moderate in their politics have become very sensitive to what they consider racially insensitive rhetoric. In recent election cycles this has been especially true for suburban white women (often called “soccer moms”), and in 2020 we saw this trend emerge among suburban white men as well.

Many in the Trump campaign thought that “law and order” was okay because Richard Nixon had invoked it in 1968 in what was in some regards a similar political climate to 2020, but they were wrong. In 1968, Nixon used George Wallace as a foil, who was openly racist and used the same phrase “law and order.” Nixon triangulated off of Wallace, charting a middle course, using the same phrase to channel people’s frustration, but then making campaign ads that showed unruly rioters who were white, not black.

But there was no third-party candidate in 2020 to pivot off of, so even though Trump used the phrase to refer to supporting police officers and protecting innocent people from angry mobs – especially protecting black Americans in high-crimes areas – Democrats and the establishment media were able to falsely accuse Trump of racism. The terms “rule of law” and “public safety” carry the positive message that Trump wanted to convey, without opening himself to unfair and slanderous accusations by his opponents.

Although some key players running the campaign stiff-armed my advice at the time, some of them have since come around after examining the polling data admitting their mistake, which cost the former president votes in key battleground states.

President Trump increased his black support to 12 percent, but I think he could have gotten 15 to 18 percent. And he did not need to lose near as many suburban white votes as he did to Joe Biden.

So I hope President Trump takes my advice on this one, which could help him prevail against this unconstitutional impeachment trial, help rehabilitate him in the eyes of millions by showing the valid points the president has to make, vindicate his supporters in the House and Senate who should not be condemned for following constitutional procedure, and foster much-needed reforms across the nation.

Rumors around D.C. are that President Trump wants his lawyers in the trial to focus on conspiracy theories about computer software, voting machines, and foreign interference.

I do not know if any of that is true, but I do know that the polls show that a majority of Americans are not onboard with wide-eyed conspiracy theories that sound like the plot of a spy-thriller movie, so the former president and the Republican Party would be better served by focusing on the following:
Article II of the Constitution says that members of the Electoral College in each state will be appointed in a manner determined by the state legislature. In modern America that is done in each state by a statewide popular election held on the federal Election Day. Yet in several key battleground states, those laws were rewritten by administration officials or by state judges, in violation of the U.S. Constitution.

Like in Pennsylvania, where courts ordered ballots to be accepted three days after the deadline specified by the legislature in law, and over 300,000 ballots were counted in massive convention halls where the candidate’s legally authorized observers were kept at a distance, unable to examine a single ballot.
Or in Wisconsin, where 220,000 absentee ballots were issued and counted in violation of state law. In a 4-3 decision, the liberal-led Wisconsin Supreme Court refused to rule on their legality, holding that the lawsuit should have been filed sooner, with the three conservatives on the court railing in dissent about how the ballots were definitely illegal, and that Wisconsin’s election laws were being trampled underfoot.

Or in Georgia, where Trump’s campaign lawsuit specified that over 15,000 ballots were cast by people whom the Postal Service says moved out of state, and that thousands more were cast by convicted felons (who cannot vote in Georgia), by people who listed a P.O. box as their residence, or by people who listed no address. The lawsuit alleges that over 60,000 ballots were illegal in a state where Biden’s margin was 12,000.

This does not even consider the impact of the illegal consent decree that Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger entered into with Stacey Abrams to not verify absentee ballot signatures against the voter registration file as required by Georgia law. Historically the rejection rate is 3 percent or more, which in November 2020 would have cost Biden up to 40,000 votes – three times his margin in the state.

That Georgia case specifically irritates some election experts because it was never given a court hearing. Trump’s lawyers filed suit on Dec. 4, yet when Congress convened on Jan. 6 there had still been no hearing to consider the evidence and rule on the merits of those claims. That is a denial of due process of law, and puts the lie to the notion that the courts had rejected all of Trump’s claims.

In each of these states, Biden appears to have been the beneficiary of these deviations from state election laws. Republicans in several other battleground states with close margins claim that their elections were similarly marred.

None of this necessarily involves any deliberate fraud. But these irregularities and constitutional violations taint those ballots, and lawyers in those states argued that under the laws of those states those ballots should have not have been counted. Even if it is possible that Biden might have won those states, members of Congress were entirely within their rights to raise objections, just like Democrats objected to my election results in 2005. None of that is an attempt to overturn an election; it is an attempt to determine who actually won the election.

President Trump needs to focus on these massive irregularities, illegalities, and unconstitutional rewriting of state legislatures’ election laws by administrators and courts, most of them showcasing the problems that plague large-scale mail-in balloting.

Some of the states listed above were decided by less than 1 percent. At most, these violations could have been determinative in each of these states, and Trump needed only three of them to win a second term. At minimum, it gives tens of millions of Americans reasonable doubt as to which candidate actually won the statewide contest in those very close states. Such doubts are toxic to the health of the American republic.

Focusing on these irregularities are what will show that those who raised these objections – like Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO), and over 140 House members – were raising completely legitimate points, not trying to undo an election. It will also show that Trump was trying to shine a spotlight on all this, perhaps laying the foundation for a 2024 rematch by impressing upon the nation that this election was so flawed that he deserved the chance to try again. That worked for Andrew Jackson in 1824 who came back to win in 1828, and my friend Newt Gingrich – who was a historian before he became Speaker of the House – has noted similarities in temperament and style between Trump and Jackson.

By focusing on these irregularities and constitutional violations instead of conspiracy theories, Trump could also spur serious election-law reform efforts in 2021 and 2022, as states look at how terribly wrong things went with mail-in ballots, early voting, no-excuse absentee voting, and abandoning verification measures such as checking signatures and requiring witness information to be fully listed on envelopes.

This focus would also show that the establishment media is flat-out lying when it says that claims of election problems are unfounded. The point about Georgia alone – where there was never any court hearing – by itself proves the media’s claim that the courts have rejected these claims is false. I am convinced that those false media claims further stirred up public frustration, as millions of Americans thought no one was listening to them, and that those who should have been giving voice to their concerns were instead calling them liars or fools.

This proposed presentation would also serve the nation well by highlighting the recurring nightmare that would be visited on America every two years if H.R. 1 – the For the People Act – were to become law, as that ill-conceived legislation takes everything that caused controversy and conflict in the 2020 election and would make them permanent features of elections in every single state going forward.

As I explained in a previous article, the upcoming Senate impeachment trial of Trump is unconstitutional. But if the former president has his lawyers focus on these issues in the trial with full presentations that the American people can consider and debate, his contribution to the public debate may yet result in public reforms to ensure that nothing of this sort ever happens in America again.

Reforming and restoring our election process is surely part of making America great again.
 

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How To Protect Your Local Economy From The Great Reset
BY TYLER DURDEN
SATURDAY, FEB 06, 2021 - 21:30
Authored by Brandon Smith via Birch Gold Group, (Gold)

Over the years, I have written extensively about the concept of economic “decentralization” and localization, but I think these ideas are difficult for some people to visualize without proper motivation. By that I mean, it’s not enough that the current centralized model is destructive and corrupt; it has to start breaking down or show its true totalitarian colors before anyone will do anything to protect themselves.

Sadly, the majority of people tend to take action only when they have hit rock bottom.


In recent months the pandemic lockdown situation has provided a sufficient wake up call to many conservatives and moderates.
We have seen the financial effects of pandemic restrictions in blue states, with hundreds of thousands of small businesses closing, tax revenues imploding and millions of people relocating to red states just to escape the oppressive environment.

Luckily, conservative regions have been smart enough to prevent self destruction by staying mostly open. In fact, red states have been vastly outperforming blue states in terms of economic recovery exactly because they refuse to submit to medical tyranny.

I outlined this dynamic in detail recently in my article Blue State Economies Will Soon Crumble – But Will They Take Red States With Them?

The data is undeniable: the states and cities that enforce lockdown mandates are dying, the states that ignore mandates are surviving. However, with a Biden presidency there is a high probability that the federal government will now seek to force compliance from all states. In other words, lockdowns will become a national issue rather than a state issue.

For now, Biden is pretending as if reopening is right around the corner, but as I have noted in the past, the Reset agenda will never allow this. A reopening, if it happens at all, will be short and lockdowns will return. We are already seeing a new narrative being introduced to the public involving “COVID mutations”, which are supposedly “more deadly” than the original COVID-19 outbreak. So, there is a brand new and useful threat and the establishment will exploit it as a rationale for more lockdowns and restrictions.

Beyond the pandemic mandates, there are also numerous Reset agenda policies that will be implemented under the Biden administration, including insane Green New Deal related executive orders and legislation claiming to reduce carbon emissions. What they will really do is annihilate resource production. Millions of jobs will be lost and entire industries will be erased unless conservatives act to stop Biden in his tracks.

This means doing far more than stalling through political maneuvers. We are going to have to use concrete strategies to retake control of resource management within the states. Pointless globalist carbon policies composed by entities like the UN have no place in American economic planning. A message needs to be sent that they will never be accepted here.

Time is running out to prepare. Lockdowns will return within a few months and this time they will be federally enforced. Conservatives must be ready to defy these orders if they have any hope of saving their local economies. This is going to take individual efforts to stock necessities and secure their finances, but ultimately wider organization is going to be needed to weather the storm.

Conservatives must establish coalitions of counties and states, and certain economic measures will have to be applied to insulate from damage. The federal government and Biden will attempt to punish red states for refusing to submit, and we need to be ready for that eventuality.

Here are some ways that conservative communities can stop the Reset agenda…

Localization
On a smaller scale, conservatives can accomplish a lot by simply changing their buying habits. If you do 80% of your retail spending with big box stores and online outlets like Amazon and only 20% at local small businesses, then try to switch that ratio. Spend 80% at local businesses and 20% at corporate outlets.

Yes, small businesses tend to cost a little extra, but who do you really want your money going to? Do you want your money filling the pockets of international corporate moguls that are working to destroy your freedoms and undermine your economy? Or, do you want your cash to circulate locally?

Individuals can also start their own business from home focusing on production of necessities or necessary skill sets. They can establish a small business co-op and encourage the community to buy locally. Often, people just don’t know how many services are available from small businesses in their area, so they automatically go to big box providers. Small businesses must work together to change the dynamic.

This strategy also extends to local farms. Consumers and grocery stores need to buy more of their produce from farms in the area and less from chains which ship in produce from other countries. There are millions of acres of farmland in the U.S. that do not grow food at all because these farms are paid by the federal government not to. Encouraging local food production is paramount to remaining free from centralized control.

Organized Refusal To Comply
The problem with conservatives is that we tend to be so independent that we avoid organization. This is a problem because it leads to self-isolation. During the pandemic lockdowns in blue states, some conservative-owned businesses refused to comply, but they were left mostly to fend for themselves with no aid from the wider community. If more businesses were to ally with each other and protested in tandem, dozens or hundreds of defiant businesses working together would be a lot harder to shut down than just a few.

By extension, it’s not enough for conservatives to merely argue against the lockdowns and demand businesses stay open, we need to also defend those businesses that take action. We need to support them with our dollars and stand in the way of anyone trying to close them down. They are taking a big risk for us, so we need to be willing to take risks for them.

Imagine if Biden tried to assert a national lockdown order and more than half the businesses in the country ignored him? What if patrons refused to allow federal agencies to intimidate those businesses? The lockdowns would be nullified, and Biden would have little recourse.

Establish Barter Networks
In the event that the U.S. economy breaks down completely, we must create contingencies to prevent total trade disruption. Without trade, populations become desperate because no one has the ability to provide every necessity all the time. People have to be able to barter goods and services in an open market.

Barter networks are a base fundamental, the universal go-to solution during economic collapse. Every society in modern history has used barter markets to stay afloat during financial crisis and to bypass government economic controls.

We must be willing to do the same.

Conservatives must start organizing barter networks within their communities now. It does not matter if you are trading with a couple of people or hundreds; the process needs to start somewhere.

Why is this so important? Because there is a very good chance that the federal government will try to fiscally punish any state or county that opposes lockdown measures and Reset policies. This means that the government will first seek to cut off federal funding to red states. In the midst of economic crisis, many regions have become reliant on federal stimulus as a crutch, and this dependency makes them vulnerable to control.

To truly rebel against the Reset, local economies need to be free from federal oversight or consequences. With barter networks in place along with possible local scrip and alternative currencies, the public will be less fearful of economic retaliation.

Take Back Management Of Local Resources
We have already seen attempts by Biden to disrupt production of carbon based energy resources like oil and coal. Frankly, the time is long past due for states and counties to take back control of federal lands. The government has been stifling American production for decades and this has hurt rural communities in particular.

In my area, the EPA has essentially destroyed the timber harvesting industry through unfair regulations. This has led to federal mismanagement of forests to the point that fire hazard has become a major issue. All the young men in the county used work as lumberjacks to support their families; now they have to leave, or work as wildland firefighters. It’s completely backwards. And this is happening while U.S. lumber prices are skyrocketing.

Conservative counties and states need to take back land and resource management and allow reasonable production to return. Biden should have no say in whether or not oil wells in North Dakota stay operational, or coal mines in West Virginia stay open, or trees Montana are selectively harvested. As long as the bulk of wealth from the resource production stays within the state where the resources were harvested, I see no downside to this kind of response.

If the federal government tries to retaliate by cutting off federal funds, it won’t matter because the states will be producing jobs and wealth for themselves independently.

Immunity From Cancel Culture
In our current political environment, it is becoming a fact of life that the hard left can and will try to harm people that oppose their ideology. Big tech companies and government are helping them to do this. Now more than ever, conservatives that wish to remain free to voice their views and share facts that are contrary to the leftist narrative must seek protection from cancellation. But how do we do this?

For one, we can work for ourselves. Being self employed means never having to worry about being fired because of your political opinions. Or, conservatives need to work for conservatives. This means conservative companies need to focus on hiring conservative employees, and if the leftist mob tries to attack an individual, those companies can easily ignore them. Of course, this also means that conservative consumers need to start making a list of conservative companies that have proven themselves to be immune to leftist pressure. We need to support these companies.

Conservatives should also look into the possibility of campaigns to build more platform alternatives to Big Tech and social media. We need more web service providers that are owned by people who respect free speech rights. We may even need our own internet.

All of these things are possible, but it takes organization and effort.

Conservative communities can become safe havens for civil liberties, but this means we cannot be isolated from each other anymore. We have to be connected by more than our principles, we must also be connected through actions.
 

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Raskin: Trump's Decision Not To Testify May Be Cited As Evidence Of His Guilt

SATURDAY, FEB 06, 2021 - 19:30
Authored by Jonathan Turley,
Over the last four years, we have seen an alarming trend of law professors and legal experts discarding constitutional and due process commitments to support theories for the prosecution or impeachment of Donald Trump or his family.

Legal experts who long defended criminal defense rights have suddenly become advocates of the most sweeping interpretations of criminal or constitutional provisions while discarding basic due process and fairness concerns. Even theories that have been clearly rejected by the Supreme Court have been claimed to be valid in columns. No principle seems inviolate when it stands in the way of a Trump prosecution.

Yet, the statement of House manager Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., this week was breathtaking.

A former law professor, Raskin declared that the decision of Trump not to testify in the Senate could be cited or used by House managers as an inference of his guilt — a statement that contradicts not just our constitutional principles but centuries of legal writing.


Presidents have historically not testified at impeachment trials. One reason is that, until now, only sitting presidents have been impeached and presidents balked at the prospect of being examined as head of the Executive Branch by the Legislative Branch. Moreover, it was likely viewed as undignified and frankly too risky. Indeed, most defense attorneys routinely discourage their clients from testifying in actual criminal cases because the risks outweigh any benefits. Finally, Trump is arguing that this trial is unconstitutional and thus he would be even less likely to depart from tradition and appear as a witness.

Despite the historical precedent for presidents not testifying, Raskin made an extraordinary and chilling declaration on behalf of the House of Representatives. He wrote in a letter to Trump that:
“If you decline this invitation, we reserve any and all rights, including the right to establish at trial that your refusal to testify supports a strong adverse inference regarding your actions (and inaction) on January 6, 2021.”
Raskin justified his position by noting that Trump “denied many factual allegations set forth in the article of impeachment.” Thus, he insisted Trump needed to testify or his silence is evidence of guilt. Under this theory, any response other than conceding the allegations would trigger this response and allow the House to use the silence of the accused as an inference of guilt.

The statement conflicts with one of the most precious and revered principles in American law that a refusal to testify should not be used against an accused party.

The statement also highlighted the fact that the House has done nothing to lock in testimony of those who could shed light on Trump’s intent. After using a “snap impeachment,” the House let weeks pass without any effort to call any of the roughly dozen witnesses who could testify on Trump’s statements and conduct in the White House. Many of those witnesses have already given public interviews.

Of course, the relative passivity of the House simply shows a lack of effort to actually win this case. The Raskin statement is far more disturbing. The Fifth Amendment embodies this touchstone of American law in declaring that “[n]o person . . . shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.” It was a rejection of the type of abuses associated with the infamous Star Chamber in Great Britain. As the Supreme Court declared in 1964, it is the embodiment of “many of our fundamental values and most noble aspirations.”
Murphy v. Waterfront Commission, 378 U.S. 52, 55 (1964).

Central to this right is the added protection that the silence of an accused cannot be used against him in the way suggested by Raskin. There was a time when members of Congress not only respected this rule but fought to amplify it. For example, in 1878, Congress was enacting a law that addressed testimonial rights but expressly stated that the failure of an accused to request to testify “shall not create any presumption against him.”

The Supreme Court has been adamant that the type of inference sought by Raskin is abhorrent and abusive in courts of law. In Griffin v. California, 380 U.S. 609 (1964), the Court reviewed a California rule of evidence which permitted adverse comment on a defendant’s failure to testify. The California rule sounded strikingly like Raskin’s position and mandated that a defendant’s “failure to explain or to deny by his testimony any evidence or facts in the case against him may be commented upon by the court and by counsel, and may be considered by the court or the jury.” The Court rejected such references or reliance by prosecutors as unconstitutional.

Later in Carter v. Kentucky, the Supreme Court held that “the privilege to remain silent is of a very different order of importance . ..from the ‘mere etiquette of trials and …the formalities and minutiae of procedure.'” It goes to the most fundamental principles of justice in our legal system.

In the past, when such concerns have been raised, members and pundits have reached for the “anything goes” theory of impeachment. Such principles are dismissed as relevant in the purely “political” process of impeachment. I have long rejected this view. This is not a political exercise. It is a constitutional exercise. These senators do not take the take to act as politicians but to act as constitutional actors in compliance with the standards and procedures laid out for impeachments. It would make this process a mockery if, in claiming to uphold constitutional values, members like Raskin destroy the very foundations of constitutional rights.

Yet, Harvard Professor Laurence Tribe (who has routinely favored any interpretation that disfavors Trump) declared Raskin correct promising to use a decision not to testify as evidence of guilt: “If Mr. Trump declines the chance to clear his name by showing up and explaining under oath why his conduct on January 6 didn’t make him responsible for the lethal insurrection that day, it’ll be on him. He can’t have it both ways.” No, it is on us. The House cannot have it both ways in declaring that it is upholding constitutional values while gutting them.

It is true that this is not a criminal trial. It is a constitutional trial. As such, the Senate should try an accused according to our highest traditions and values. That includes respecting the right to remain silent and not to have “inferences” drawn from the fact that (like prior presidents) Trump will not be present at the trial or give testimony.

This is not the first time that reason has been left a stranger in our age of rage. There appears no price too great to pay to impeach or prosecute Trump. Now, the House is arguing against one of the very touchstones of our constitutional system and legal experts are silent. If everything is now politics, this trial is little more than a raw partisanship cloaked in constitutional pretense.
 

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Wyoming Republican Party Censures Cheney For Voting To Impeach Trump

SUNDAY, FEB 07, 2021 - 11:35
Authored by Ivan Pentchoukov via The Epoch Times,

The Wyoming Republican Party voted overwhelmingly on Feb. 7 to censure Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) for voting to impeach President Donald Trump.

While there was no formal vote count, only eight of the 74 members of the party’s central committee stood up to show their opposition to the censure. The censure document stated that Cheney voted to impeach even though the House of Representatives did not offer Trump a “formal hearing or due process.”
“We need to honor President Trump. All President Trump did was call for a peaceful assembly and protest for a fair and audited election,” said Darin Smith, a Cheyenne attorney who lost to Cheney in the Republican U.S. House primary in 2016.
“The Republican Party needs to put her on notice.”
Added Joey Correnti, GOP chairman in Carbon County where the censure vote was held: “Does the voice of the people matter, and if it does, does it only matter at the ballot box?”

Cheney was among 10 Republicans who voted with the Democrats to impeach Trump. The article of impeachment accuses the president of inciting the mob that breached the Capitol on Jan. 6. Trump has denied the accusation.

In a speech on Jan. 6, Trump urged supporters to make their voices heard peacefully. The president mentioned Cheney by name in the speech and told the crowd to vote against lawmakers like her in the next election.
“And we got to remember, in a year from now, you’re going to start working on Congress and we got to get rid of the weak Congresspeople, the ones that aren’t any good, the Liz Cheneys of the world. We got to get rid of them,” Trump said.
The outer perimeter of the Capitol was breached when Trump was delivering his address at a location roughly a 45-minute walk away.

Cheney has said she voted her conscience. In a statement announcing her intention to vote for the impeachment, she alleged that Trump “summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack.”

In response to the censure vote, Cheney said she remained honored to represent Wyoming and will always fight for issues that matter most to the state.
“Foremost among these is the defense of our Constitution and the freedoms it guarantees. My vote to impeach was compelled by the oath I swore to the Constitution,” Cheney said.
Republican officials said they invited Cheney but she didn’t attend. An empty chair labeled “Representative Cheney” sat at the front of the meeting room.

The censure vote is the most recent backlash against her impeachment vote. A political action committee started by former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski is working to beat Cheney in the Republican primary in 2022. Two Republicans are already running against her in the race, including Republican state Sen. Anthony Bouchard, a gun-rights activist from Cheyenne, who was at the meeting but not among those who spoke.

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) led a rally against Cheney on Jan. 28 in front of the Wyoming Capitol. About 1,000 people took part, many of them carrying signs calling for Cheney’s impeachment, though several were supportive.

House Republicans voted on Feb. 3 to keep Cheney as their conference chair.

The Senate impeachment trial starts on Feb. 9.
 

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Liz Cheney: There Is Massive Criminal Investigation into if Trump Made ‘Premeditated Effort to Provoke Violence’

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Representative Liz Cheney (R-WY) said on Sunday’s broadcast of “Fox News Sunday” that there is a “massive criminal investigation underway” into former President Donald Trump’s role in inciting the deadly riot at Capitol Hill on January 6.

When asked if she would vote to convict Trump, Cheney said, “If I was in the Senate, I would listen to the evidence. I think that is the role the Senate has as jurors. I would also point out that the Senate trial is a snapshot. There’s a massive criminal investigation underway. There will be a massive criminal investigation of everything that happened on Jan. 6 and in the days before.”

She continued, “People will want to know exactly what the president was doing.

They will want to know, for example, if the tweet he sent out calling Vice President Pence a coward while the attack was underway, whether that tweet, for example, was a premeditated effort to provoke violence. There are a lot of questions that have to be answered, and there will be many, many criminal investigations looking at every aspect of this and everyone who was involved as there should be.”

She added, “We’ve never seen that kind of assault by a president of the United States on another branch of government, and that can never happen again.”
 

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Liz Cheney: Trump ‘Does Not Have a Role as the Leader of Our Party Going Forward’

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Representative Liz Cheney (R-WY), the House Republican Conference Chair. said on this week’s broadcast of “Fox News Sunday” that former President Donald Trump did “not have a role as the leader of our party going forward.”

Host Chris Wallace asked, “Is this still the party of Donald Trump, and does Marjorie Taylor Greene still hold a solid place in that party?”

Cheney said, “We are the party of Abraham Lincoln. We are the party of Ronald Reagan. We have to really take a hard look at who we are and what we stand for, and what we believe in. I think when you look at both his actions leading up to what happened on January 6th, the fact that he was impeached in a bipartisan fashion, the fact that he lost the presidency, the fact that we lost the senate. We have to be in a position where we can say we stand for principle. We stand for ideals.

She continued, “Somebody who has provoked an attack on the United States Capitol to prevent the counting of electoral votes, which resulted in five people dying, who refused to stand up immediately when he was asked to stop the violence, that is a person who does not have a role as the leader of our party going forward.”

She added, “We have to make sure that we are able to convey to the American voters, we are the party of responsibility, we are the party of truth, that we actually can be trusted to handle the challenges this nation faces like COVID and that’s going to require us to focus on substance and policy and issues going forward, but we should not be embracing the former president.”
 

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Wyoming GOP Party Censures Liz Cheney over Impeachment Vote
CHEYENNE, WY - JANUARY 28: A man holds up a sign against Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) as Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) speaks to a crowd during a rally against her on January 28, 2021 in Cheyenne, Wyoming. Gaetz added his voice to a growing effort to vote Cheney out of …
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Feb. 6 (UPI) — The Wyoming Republican Party’s state central committee voted Saturday to censure Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., for her vote to impeach then-President Donald Trump.

The Casper Star-Tribune reported that the vote came after just 11 minutes of debate, with just three people speaking against censoring the state’s lone representative in the House.

“Let’s resist this left-wing trend of ‘cancel culture,’ trying to censure and get rid of anybody that we disagree with,” said Teton County Chairman Alex Muromcew, who voted against the censure and said Republicans can vote her out next year if they disagree with her position.

JoAnn True, a state committee member from Natrona County and one of the handful of party members who voted “no,” said she stood to speak but was not permitted to do so during the meeting.

Supporters of the censure vote argued that Cheney’s vote to impeach ran counter to the will of Wyoming voters, who supported Trump by a more than 40-point margin, and robbed the president of due process by not allowing him the opportunity to defend himself in the House’s impeachment proceedings.

The resolution text also claimed the riot at the Capitol was “instigated by Antifa and BLM radicals”and that Trump at no point called for violence during the Jan. 6 rally at the U.S. Capitol in the lead-up to the riot that was the center of the impeachment vote.

At least a dozen county-level Republican committees had already passed censure resolutions of their own before Saturday’s vote, and several candidates in the state have already announced primary challenges for 2022.

“I’m honored to represent the people of Wyoming in Congress and will always fight for the issues that matter most to our state,” Cheney said in a statement issued shortly after the vote, for which she was not present. “Foremost among these is the defense of our Constitution and the freedoms it guarantees. My vote to impeach was compelled by the oath I swore to the Constitution. Wyoming citizens know that this oath does not bend or yield to politics or partisanship.”
Earlier this week House Republicans voted 145-61 to allow Cheney to keep her role as House Republican Conference Chair.

Cheney was one of just 10 House Republicans who voted in favor of impeaching Trump last month, and she is not the first to be censured by her local party for doing so.

Last week the South Carolina Republican party voted to censure Rep. Tom Rice, R-S.C., for his impeachment vote.

The Arizona Republican Party has censured Gov. Doug Ducey, former Sen. Jeff Flake and Cindy McCain, all of whom opposed Trump’s efforts to overturn President Joe Biden’s victory, or in the case of Flake and McCain, endorsed Biden in the 2020 election.

Nebraska’s Republican Party has also advanced a measure to censure Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., for his criticism of former President Trump.
 

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Pelosi Snaps at a Reporter Over Impeachment Question, Then Makes It Worse

By Nick Arama | Feb 06, 2021 7:00 PM ET

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) snapped off at a reporter who dared to ask her a question about Senator Lindsey Graham’s threat to start calling FBI agents to say how the actions at the Capitol had been pre-planned, which would kill the Democrats claim of “incitement” in the impeachment trial.

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Apparently she didn’t like having the deficiencies in her alleged case being questioned.

“Your question is a waste of time,” Pelosi shot back at the reporter. Of course, anything she doesn’t like, she’s not going to answer.

She also got a bit snippy when asked if there would be the unlikely event of enough Republicans that would cross the line in a vote on whether to convict.
Democrats would need a 2/3 vote.

From NY Post:
“They don’t know that. They don’t know that. They don’t know that. They haven’t heard the case. They don’t have the case. In the court of the Senate, they will make their case. In the court of public opinion, they will make their case,” she said.
“And we’ll see. We’ll see if it’s going to be a Senate of courage, or cowards,” she continued.
But then when she was asked about the Democrats stripping Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) of her committee assignments, if she was worried about setting a bad precedent. Of course she wasn’t.

“If any of our members threatened the safety of other members, we’d be the first ones to take them off of committee. That’s it. Thank you,” Pelosi said.

Oh really?

Let’s review.

Was Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) removed from committees when she encouraged people against Trump officials? “If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, at a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.”

Answer: of course she wasn’t.

Was Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-CA) removed from very significant intelligence and homeland security committees when it was found that he had a relationship with a Chinese spy? That doesn’t just compromise the members, that potentially threatens the country. Answer: no.

Were any members removed from committees for demonizing the Republicans during the healthcare debate which led to series of attacks on Republicans including the infamous GOP baseball practice shooting where four people including Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA) were shot? Answer: no.

Were any members removed from committees for falsely calling their colleagues insurrectionists or supporting insurrection, as Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) said about Rep. Burgess Owens (R-UT)? Answer: not yet and liberals were cheering the video of his lie.

Funny how Democrats can’t seem to handle any questioning about their efforts to consolidate their political control.
 

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February 6, 2021
What to Expect from Trump's Upcoming Impeachment Trial
By Jonathon Moseley

The U.S. Senate is scheduled to begin a trial on impeachment of Donald J. Trump officially announced for "the week of" February 8. According to C-SPAN, that means 1:00 P.M. EST on February 9, 2021. C-SPAN allows you to watch, live or whenever is convenient on demand, on a special web page.

Here is a preview for thinking Americans of some things to look for. You will be watching something like playing the Super Bowl in five minutes, with the best of players slipping and falling all over each other. No one can elegantly mash a two- to four-week trial into only a couple of half-days, while the Senate also conducts other business in the morning. compression will harm Trump's due process.

Each side has submitted briefs. The Democrat impeachment managers released an 80-page trial brief in small print. Trump's new lead attorneys, Bruce L. Castor, Jr. and David Schoen, submitted an "Answer" from Donald Trump later the same day on February 2, 2021. It is only 13 pages in big type plus a conclusion and signature block.

However, that was not Trump's trial brief. It was a reply to the Articles of Impeachment. It is in the style of "the allegations of paragraph 48 are denied in part and admitted in part." That sort of thing.

Trump's lawyers need to also file an actual trial brief. However, Castor and Schoen came on board only late last week. A case of this magnitude and complexity (more complex than you might think, with lifetime disqualification from public office and even criminal prosecution possibly down the line) would normally afford six months to eighteen months before going to trial. So Castor's and Schoen's Answer for Trump was thin.

Trump's new lawyers hit hard on a "bill of attainder." The U.S. Constitution absolutely forbids two things: an ex post facto law and a bill of attainder. An ex post facto law means that Congress criminalizes something only after you did it already. In fact, the Democrats are changing interpretations so severely that they are violating the ex post facto prohibition.

A "bill of attainder" is a legislature singling out a person for punishment rather than enacting a law of general application. Because the prohibition in the Constitution is absolute, Trump's lawyers raise it as a total bar.

In other words, they have put tyrannosaurus rex teeth into the argument that you cannot impeach a former president. They belabor the circumstances that the articles of impeachment have created: "a class of one" with only Donald Trump in the class.

That supports both an equal protection violation and a bill of attainder violation.

They come close to arguing equal protection, but it sounds as though they ran out of time before hammering that point home.

Now, clearly, everyone is focused on whether Trump is disqualified from holding any political office in the future. That could include something like serving on a board, not just running for president. Democrats have made clear that their goal is to not face Trump at the ballot box on November 5, 2024. How convenient and banana republic–like to disqualify political opponents. The Democrats' fever is practically an admission that they might lose a rematch with Trump.

The news media have been in a fit over whether or not Trump (his lawyers) will argue that the 2020 election was stolen. Don't bet the farm on Castor and Schoen being that brave, because most lawyers are really not. But typically trial lawyers would be mystified by the question "are you going to argue A or B?" As my law professor asked in a (pretend) stunned expression: "Why do I have to choose only one?" A good trial attorney would be required to hit and smash each and every accusation against his client, in a row. Leaving any accusation alive is not in a trial lawyer's DNA.

Amazingly, though, Trump's brief reminds us that the Democrats are actually required to prove that the election was not stolen. The articles of impeachment do not merely open the door and allow Trump to prove there was election fraud.

They accuse Trump of falsely claiming there was fraud in the election, thereby inciting protests.

Can you cry "fire!" in a crowded theater? Well, is there in fact a fire? Then yes. A prosecutor would have to prove there wasn't any fire.

In order to prove their case, the impeachment managers are actually required to prove that Trump's statements were false. The burden of proof is on the Democrats to prove that there was no fraud anywhere in the election. If Trump's statements were true or he reasonably believed they were true, then the articles of impeachment fail. And Trump should be able to respond. Of course, the Senate won't tolerate that or allow that much time.

Trump's lawyers hit hard on whether Trump's statements were incitement. They argue not only that Trump was exercising his rights of free speech guaranteed by the First Amendment, but also that the impeachment trial violates Trump's constitutional rights for that reason. Trump's Answer argues that the Constitution "specifically and intentionally protect unpopular speech from government retaliation."

The impeachment managers effectively admit that Trump called for peaceful lobbying of the Congress, which is an exercise of their right under the First Amendment to peacefully assemble and "petition their government for redress."

On page 14, their brief quotes Trump as saying:
I hope the Democrats, and even more importantly, the weak and ineffective RINO section of the Republican Party, are looking at the thousands of people pouring into D.C. They won't stand for a landslide election victory to be stolen.
This is the classic purpose of a lawful and peaceful protest. Many dozens of protests gather every year in D.C. for this very same purpose: to gather in large numbers and make their demands be known to their elected politicians. Every protest is intended to change the government's policies, positions, or actions.

The Democrats accuse Trump of whipping up his supporters. But their brief is an 80-page rhetorical screed that whips up their own supporters with inflammatory rhetoric. This is where most attorneys will probably try to be too nice and respectable. Most won't even know what hit them in a rhetorical sandstorm.

The brief is filled with opinion and incredibly cites the Washington Post as evidence.

The Democrats' brief continues the false narrative that Trump generated the protests. They actually say Trump "announced" the "Save America March" — which was organized by others. Women for America First filed for a permit from the Park Service. The protest at the Capitol was planned earlier than December 23. The Capitol Police media office is staying mum about the permit issued for the northeast corner of the Capitol grounds. But Trump did not suggest that anyone go to the Capitol. There was already a 1:00 P.M. demonstration with a permit pre-planned on the Capitol grounds.

The Answer also challenges the way that the articles of impeachment commingle and confuse allegations of different events and charges, in violation of Senate Rules and the Constitution. In that way, it is impossible to know if senators are all voting for the same charges or some voting for a few charges and others for different charges.

Totally neglected by everyone: the January 2 phone call. But I'm out of space. Maybe in another installment.
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Trump Impeachment Lawyer Reveals Part of Defense Plan, and It Is Brilliant

BY MATT MARGOLIS FEB 06, 2021 1:53 PM ET

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While the primary defense Trump’s legal defense teams plans to use at his upcoming Senate impeachment trial next week will be that the Senate lacks jurisdiction, on Friday night, President Trump’s impeachment lawyer Bruce Castor revealed that part of Trump’s defense will include videos of Democrats encouraging political violence. He described the defense to Laura Ingraham on Fox News.

“There’s a lot of tape of cities burning and courthouses being attacked and federal agents being assaulted by rioters in the streets, cheered on by Democrats throughout the country, and many of them in Washington using really the most inflammatory rhetoric that’s possible to use,” Castor pointed out before noting that Democrats were not accused on inciting that violence, yet Trump is on video stating clearly that he wanted people to march peacefully to the Capitol.

“You better be careful what you wish for,” Castor said of the Democrats.

Democrats plan to use video of Trump as evidence that he incited the violence at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, and Ingraham asked Castor if there would be a dueling video showing Democrats in Congress calling for political violence. “Will you then respond with Maxine Waters, a number of other Democrat officials not speaking out about the Antifa and other extremist rallies over the last summer?” Ingraham asked.

“I think you can count on that,” Castor said. “If my eyes look a little red to the viewers, it’s because I’ve been looking at a lot of video over the last several days.”

There is certainly ample evidence of Democrats calling for political violence that the Trump defense team could use, including Rep. Ayanna Pressley calling for “unrest in the streets,” Nancy Pelosi calling for uprisings against the Trump administration, and calling Republicans “domestic enemies,” Senator Cory Booker encouraging activists to “get up in the face” of Republican candidates and office-holders, and Maxine Waters encouraging the harassment of members of the Trump administration, just to name a few.

I eagerly await the presentation of this video. Though I suspect left-wing media outlets will refuse to show it. Nevertheless, I think this is a brilliant tactic by the Trump legal team.
 

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“You Can’t Just Criminalize Republican Speech and Ignore All the Democrats Who Have Incited Violence” – Rand Paul Blasts Schumer for Inciting Hate and Violence (VIDEO)

By Jim Hoft
Published February 8, 2021 at 10:14am

Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) joined Chris Wallace on FOX News Sunday this week.

During their discussion Senator Paul pointed out the obvious double-standard in our culture today. President Trump can call for a peaceful demonstration at the US Capitol and is facing impeachment. Meanwhile, Democrat Chuck Schumer can threaten Supreme Court Justices with violence and everything is just fine.

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Rand Paul blasted Majority leader Schumer over his threatening remarks.

Senator Rand Paul: “I think if we are going to criminalize speech and somehow impeach everybody who says, ‘oh, go fight to hear your voices heard,’ really we ought to impeach Chuck Schumer then. So if people want to hold President Trump accountable for language, there has to be a consistent standard, and to my mind, it’s a partisan farce.”

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Liz Cheney is Doing EVERYTHING She Can to Damage President Trump Before Senate Impeachment Just Like She Did Before House Impeachment

By Jim Hoft
Published February 8, 2021 at 10:42am
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Nice work, GOP!

On Wednesday night Republican lawmakers rallied around Liz Cheney and voted 145-61 to keep Cheney in a House leadership position.


This was after she joined Nancy Pelosi and Democrats and voted to impeach President Trump in a slapdash impeachment earlier in the month.

but worse than that, Liz Cheney released a statement allegedly on official House Conference Chair stationary the night before the impeachment vote to trash President Trump and smear him for inciting violence. House Democrats were thrilled to use Liz Cheney’s words against the president during their sham impeachment day.

91% of Republican voters would vote for President Trump again today.
Only 13% of Wyoming Republicans would vote for Liz Cheney again.

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It didn’t take long for Liz Cheney to continue her attacks on President Trump.

On Sunday morning Liz Cheney accused Trump of a “premeditated effort to provoke violence” in his January 6th tweet.

Here is what President Trump tweeted out after Mike Pence failed to address the massive voter fraud in the 2020 election.
Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 6, 2021
On Sunday Liz Cheney gave Democrats ammunition by suggesting this was an effort by President Trump to provoke violence!

Once again, Cheney’s remarks were timed perfectly to cause the most damage to President Trump before the senate trial by Democrats later this week.

Liz Cheney is so vicious she planned to hurt the greatest Republican candidate in history days before the Democrat’s garbage impeachment!

Liz Cheney: “People will want to know exactly what the president was doing. They will want to know, for example, if the tweet he sent out calling Vice President Pence a coward while the attack was underway, whether that tweet, for example, was a premeditated effort to provoke violence. There are a lot of questions that have to be answered, and there will be many, many criminal investigations looking at every aspect of this and everyone who was involved as there should be.”
Here is the video of Liz from Sunday.

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“Political Theater” – Trump’s Lawyers Demand Immediate Dismissal of Charges in Senate Impeachment Trial – With Legal Brief

By Cristina Laila
Published February 8, 2021 at 10:52am
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President Trump’s lawyers argued the Senate should immediately dismiss the articles of impeachment in a 75-page legal brief filed Monday morning.

Trump’s lead lawyers David Schoen and Bruce Castor in a pretrial brief accused the House Democrats of suffering from “Trump Derangement Syndrome,” engaging in “political theater” and called the trial unconstitutional because Trump is no longer in office.

“This was only ever a selfish attempt by Democratic leadership in the House to prey upon the feelings of horror and confusion that fell upon all Americans across the entire political spectrum upon seeing the destruction at the Capitol on January 6 by a few hundred people,” Trump’s lawyers wrote. “Instead of acting to heal the nation, or at the very least focusing on prosecuting the lawbreakers who stormed the Capitol, the Speaker of the House and her allies have tried to callously harness the chaos of the moment for their own political gain.”

Schoen and Castor demanded the Senate dismiss the charges immediately.

“The Article of Impeachment presented by the House is unconstitutional for a variety of reasons, any of which alone would be grounds for immediate dismissal,” the lawyers wrote. “Taken together, they demonstrate conclusively that indulging House Democrats hunger for this political theater is a danger to our Republic democracy and the rights that we hold dear.”

45 Senators already voted that the impeachment is unconstitutional so the trial is DOA.
 

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Depending how good Trump's lawyers are and how much they support him, I'd say, let the trials begin!

Dismissing it will deny President Trump his say in court. Yah, I know it's all rigged by the Democrats and RINOs.

But maybe a lot of things need to come out...and the whole world is watching this trial.

If it's dismissed THEY'LL still be ragging on for years about this. About how right they were and he should have been impeached by the Senate...blah, blah, blah.

I say bring it in. But ONLY IF Trump's lawyers aren't wolves in sheep clothing and are as deviously intelligent as the vipers - to counter and anticipate their every more.
 
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This reminds me of the Left and Meghan Kelly's 'blood coming out of everywhere'.

The nasty smut-filled minds of the Left went right after this....they saw how well this went for them.

They've perfected their depravity.
 

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The Democrats don't have to prove anything. They just have to say stuff and then it is so......
 

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Ron Paul Slams The Trump Political Show Trial

MONDAY, FEB 08, 2021 - 13:26
Authored by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity,
The Senate trial for now twice-impeached former President Donald Trump is set to begin this week, with little doubt over the outcome. A procedural vote in the Senate on the constitutionality of “removing from office” someone who is not in office revealed that nowhere near enough Republicans were willing to join their Democrat counterparts in voting to convict.



Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, who is required by the Constitution to preside, has by refusing to participate made it clear that he does not consider the upcoming action in the Senate to be a legitimate impeachment trial.

So if it is not a legitimate trial, what is it, then? Judging from the House impeachment resolution, it looks more like a banana republic “show trial” than a careful case detailing Trump’s “high crimes and misdemeanors.”

Trump was impeached by the Democrat-controlled US House for “incitement of insurrection” over the January 6th melee at the US Capitol. Telling his supporters they must fight or they’re “not going to have a country any more” was cited in the impeachment resolution as evidence that Trump “gravely endangered the security of the United States and its institutions of Government” and has “demonstrated that he will remain a threat to national security, democracy, and the Constitution if allowed to remain in office.”

Trump also told them to march to the Capitol “peacefully and patriotically” to encourage Congress to consider his claims of election fraud, but Democrats in the House say that he didn’t really mean it.

Why the snap impeachment? Why not, as Constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley has written, hold hearings and call witnesses to explore whether the former president actually had insurrection on his mind? Did he call off or delay the National Guard troops from protecting the Capitol, for example?

Or was he simply using heated political rhetoric that his accusers in Congress have also used plenty of times?

Weeks of hearings in the House with dozens of witnesses could have helped make the case for the Senate that Trump was guilty of inciting insurrection. Such hearings could have turned the tide against Trump in the Senate, where he is certainly not universally supported within his own party.

But the House had no interest in such hearings. They wanted a snap impeachment. They wanted no witnesses. They wanted to benefit from the universal mainstream media narrative that the mob who entered the Capitol building was not just unruly Americans angry over what they believed was a rigged election, but was actually trying to overthrow the government to keep Trump in power.

The House Democrats knew that the “insurrection” narrative would not stand the test of time – anyone familiar with “color revolutions” or coups overseas would easily recognize that this was not one. So they rushed through the impeachment not because they wanted to remove him from an office he no longer occupied, but because they wanted to bar him from ever running for office again.

It does raise the question: what are they afraid of? They called their impeachment a victory for democracy, but isn’t preventing Trump from running again a subversion of democracy?

Trump would do well to ignore the Senate proceedings. There is no reason to participate in a show trial. The media has reported that he intends to focus on the “stolen” election in his defense before the Senate. That would be counterproductive. The right question to ask is, “what if they held a show trial and nobody came”?
 

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Trump's Lawyers Demand Senate Dismiss Impeachment Charges Over 'Unconstitutional Political Theater'

MONDAY, FEB 08, 2021 - 12:23
Donald Trump's lawyers have demanded that the Senate dismiss impeachment charges against the former president, blasting his upcoming trial as 'unconstitutional political theater' in a 78-page brief filed on Monday, the day before the Senate meets as an impeachment court.

"This was only ever a selfish attempt by Democratic leadership in the House to prey upon the feelings of horror and confusion that fell upon all Americans across the entire political spectrum upon seeing the destruction at the Capitol on Jan. 6 by a few hundred people," wrote Trump attorneys David Schon and Michael T. van der Veen.

"In bringing this impeachment in the manner in which they did, namely via a process that violated every precedent and every principle of fairness followed in impeachment inquiries for more than 150 years, they offered the public a master’s class in the art of political opportunism," the filing continues.

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House managers will have until 12 p.m. ET to respond to Trump's initial filing, affording them an opportunity to argue why they think the proceedings - which would mark the first time in US history that a former president is tried - are constitutional.

Under the terms of a deal being hashed out between Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and anti-Trump GOP leader Mitch McConnell, each side would have up to 16 hours to present their cases, according to CNN, which adds that under the current iteration of the agreement, there would be a four-hour debate on the constitutionality of the trial on Tuesday, followed by a vote on that question.

Presentations will begin at noon on Wednesday. Friday at 5 p.m. the proceedings will pause, and will remain so all day Saturday in observance of the Sabbath at the request of Trump attorney Schoen, only to resume Sunday afternoon.

Show trial

According to CNN, "Even Republican senators open to voting to convict Trump say they recognize the votes aren't there for a guilty verdict, which would require 17 Republican senators to join every Democrat to vote for conviction. Last month, 45 of the Senate's 50 Republicans voted in favor of a procedural motion to dismiss the trial on constitutional grounds."

In short, there's virtually no way Trump will be convicted in the Senate.

"I think it's very unlikely, right?" Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA) told CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday. "I mean, you did have 45 Republican senators vote to suggest that they didn't think it was appropriate to conduct a trial. So, you can infer how likely it is that those folks will vote to convict. I disagreed with their assessment. I think it is constitutional."

As SocGen notes, perhaps it's just a distraction shrouded in symbolic payback:
Why now? Clearly the effort to impeach is payback and symbolic, but it is also a strategy to prevent former President Trump from ever returning to office. Censure is another option that at times since 6 January appeared to be the most likely scenario ... Right now, the trial is a distraction from other needed legislation and confirmations. The Senate used the past week to confirm several of President Biden’s appointments, but more appointees await confirmation. A concern beyond the next few weeks is that the push to impeach could also galvanize Republican voters who are currently split over Trump.
"This is all about a political theater," former Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows told Fox News' Maria Bartiromo on Sunday. "It's really about Democrats trying to once again make a political point. Listen, this whole impeachment is designed to remove someone from office. President Trump is a private citizen at this point."

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Why Has Trump Not Been Charged With Criminal Incitement?

MONDAY, FEB 08, 2021 - 10:32
Authored by Jonathan Turley,

Below is my column in The Hill on the news that Donald Trump will not be charged with campaign finance violations linked to payments made to Stormy Daniels.

The report (and the start of the Senate trial) raise another question as to why Trump has not been interviewed, let alone charged, with the crime of incitement. Various members and legal experts have claimed that the case for prosecution is clear on its face.

The crime occurred in public over a month ago
, but there is no indication of a move to prosecute. Why? It is presumably not because prosecutors feel it would be too easy.

Here is the column:

Donald Trump may be the most convicted man never charged in America.

According to media reports, the Justice Department has decided not to charge Trump with campaign finance violations related to hush money paid to former stripper Stormy Daniels. What was touted by many experts as a slam-dunk criminal charge has now joined a long list of alleged crimes that once were nightly cable-news sensations.


The disconnect between legal analysis and legal reality matters little in today’s media. Many of the same experts now trumpet the charge of criminal incitement in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. In their minds — unsurprisingly — it is another open-and-shut case. For four years, they have supplied a stream of allegations, all described as conclusive, to feed readers’ and viewers’ insatiable appetites. The campaign finance charge actually was one of the more credible claims, since former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to it. However, such crimes are notoriously difficult to litigate, as shown by the failed 2012 prosecution of former presidential candidate John Edwards.

Many of these alleged criminal acts were presented as reassuringly simple and straightforward. Former prosecutor and Washington Post columnist Randall D. Eliason insisted Trump committed bribery in the Ukraine scandal since “allegations of a wrongful quid pro quo are really just another way of saying that there was a bribe … it’s bribery if a quid pro quo is sought with corrupt intent, if the president is not pursuing legitimate U.S. policy but instead is wrongfully demanding actions by Ukraine that would benefit him personally.” It did not matter that the Supreme Court has roundly rejected such sweeping interpretations of bribery, extortion and related political corruption. Others claimed Trump committed “felony bribery” by fundraising for Republican senators when he was about to be impeached.

Former CNN legal analyst and former House impeachment counsel Norm Eisen claimed that, by not responding to Russian aggression, Trump was “colluding in plain sight” and the criminal case against him for obstruction of justice was “devastating.” That was in 2018.

Former Watergate prosecutor Nick Ackerman said Donald Trump Jr.’s emails about meeting with Russians at Trump Tower were “almost a smoking cannon,” adding that “there’s almost no question this is treason.” Professor Richard Painter claimed a clear case for treason. Harvard professor Laurence Tribe declared Trump’s dictation of a misleading statement about the Trump Tower meeting constituted witness tampering; Tribe previously found compelling evidence of obstruction of justice, criminal election violations, Logan Act violations, extortion and possible treason by Trump or his family.

Now, experts claim Trump’s Jan. 6 speech clearly was criminal incitement. Said CNN legal analyst Elie Honig: “As a prosecutor I’d gladly show a jury Trump’s own inflammatory statements and argue they cross the line to criminality.”

Richard Ashby Wilson, associate law school dean at the University of Connecticut, said “Trump crossed the Rubicon and incited a mob to attack the U.S. Capitol as Congress was in the process of tallying the Electoral College vote results. He should be criminally indicted for inciting insurrection against our democracy.”

Many were quick to repeat their certainty of yet another criminal act. Tribe declared: “This guy was inciting not just imminent lawless action, but the violent decapitation of a coordinate branch of the government, preventing this peaceful transition of power and putting a violent mob into the Capitol while he cheered them on.” Bolstering such claims, District of Columbia Attorney General Karl Racine said he was investigating Trump for a possible incitement charge.

What’s strange is that there’s no word of an interview, let alone a charge, on a purportedly clear crime committed more than a month ago. One possible reason is that it would collapse in court. It is much easier to claim easy prosecutions than to prosecute such made-for-TV charges. I do not fault experts for speculating about such a case — but many are claiming, again, that prosecution would be relatively easy. That simply is not true.

The problem is free speech. Trump’s Jan. 6 speech would not satisfy the test in Brandenburg v. Ohio, where the Supreme Court said even “advocacy of the use of force or of law violation” is protected unless it is imminent. Trump did not call for the use of force but actually told people to protest “peacefully” and to “cheer on” their allies in Congress. He later — and too belatedly — repeated that after violence erupted, telling his supporters to respect and obey the Capitol Police.

Racine showed how disconnected these theories are from case law. He noted that Trump failed to “calm them down or at least emphasize the peaceful nature of what protests need to be.” Setting aside that Trump did tell them to protest peacefully, his failure to calm down a crowd is not criminal incitement by omission.

Trump does face ongoing liability — largely the same threats that existed before he became president, in the form of bank, tax and business investigations. But the litany of crimes breathlessly suggested over the last four years passed without charges. Nevertheless, experts have lined up to argue now that there are no free-speech or legal barriers to prosecuting Trump for incitement.

There is now a difference, however: There’s no longer an excuse that Trump cannot be indicted in office (which I do not believe is true), or that he would just pardon himself (which he didn’t do despite predictions he would). What was conveniently hypothetical can be an actual prosecution today. If criminal incitement is such a strong case, make it — charge him. Of course, such prosecutions could come at a cost. Unless there is evidence of direct intent, Trump is likely to prevail at trial or on appeal. He then could claim not just vindication on a federal charge but also on his second impeachment.

There is no crime of incitement for legal analysts who exaggerate or oversimplify criminal provisions; the public can be whipped into a frenzy with claims of easy prosecutions or slam-dunk charges. Many people are addicted to rage and these claims, even if illusory, feed that addiction. It is all entertainment until someone actually tries to bring a prosecution — and that is when reality sets in.
 

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This whole shit show is nothing more than a Banana Republic wrapped in razor wire, guarded by troops they don't trust just to distract from their election steel. Yes Liz Chaney belongs with them. Yes Chuck Schumer is a clown. Yes Nancy Pelosi is an 80 year old drunk. Need I go on.
 

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Donald Trump Legal Team: Impeachment Unconstitutional, Violates First Amendment
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Former President Donald Trump’s legal team makes the case that the Democrat effort to impeach him is unconstitutional and violates his First Amendment right to free speech.

“The Senate should dismiss these charges and acquit the President because this is clearly not what the Framers wanted or what the Constitution allows,” the memo from Trump’s lawyers — Bruce L. Castor Jr., David Schoen, and Michael T. van der Veen — states.

The Trump legal team released a 78-page memo on Monday detailing their case against the push by Democrats to impeach the former president even after leaving office.

“Conviction at an impeachment trial requires the possibility of a removal from office,” the lawyers wrote. “Without that possibility, there cannot be a trial.”

Trump’s lawyers argued that the Senate did not have the authority to hold a trial of a private citizen, citing Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution prohibiting Congress from determining the guilt or punishment of a private citizen, or bill of attainder, a process reserved for the independent judicial branch.

“The Constitution only gives the Senate jurisdiction over the President, not the former President, of the United States,” the memo reads.

The former president’s lawyers also argue that Trump’s January 6th speech was constitutionally protected by the First Amendment.

“President Trump’s speech at the January 6, 2021 event fell well within the norms of political speech that is protected by the First Amendment, and to try him for that would be to do a grave injustice to the freedom of speech in this country,” the memo reads.

The Democrat article of impeachment, the legal team argues, are based on a false analysis of his speech delivered on January 6 in which he urged his followers to protest the 2020 election.

They argued that Trump only used the word “fight” a “little more than a handful of times and each time in the figurative sense” and finally called on his supporters to “peacefully and patriotically use their voices” to protest the election.

The memo also notes that Capitol Hill law enforcement had reports of a potential attack on the Capitol prior to and separate from the president’s speech.

“The real truth is that the people who criminally breached the Capitol did so of their own accord and for their own reasons, and they are being criminally prosecuted,” the memo reads.

The memo also argues Trump’s speech on January 6 did not inspire the riots because the rioting began before he was finished speaking.

“Protesters, activists, and rioters had already breached Capitol Grounds a mile away and 19 minutes prior to the end of President Trump’s speech,” they noted.
 

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Liz Cheney: Trump ‘Does Not Have a Role as the Leader of Our Party Going Forward’
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PAM KEY7 Feb 20212,206

Representative Liz Cheney (R-WY), the House Republican Conference Chair. said on this week’s broadcast of “Fox News Sunday” that former President Donald Trump did “not have a role as the leader of our party going forward.”

Host Chris Wallace asked, “Is this still the party of Donald Trump, and does Marjorie Taylor Greene still hold a solid place in that party?”

Cheney said, “We are the party of Abraham Lincoln. We are the party of Ronald Reagan. We have to really take a hard look at who we are and what we stand for, and what we believe in. I think when you look at both his actions leading up to what happened on January 6th, the fact that he was impeached in a bipartisan fashion, the fact that he lost the presidency, the fact that we lost the senate. We have to be in a position where we can say we stand for principle. We stand for ideals.

She continued, “Somebody who has provoked an attack on the United States Capitol to prevent the counting of electoral votes, which resulted in five people dying, who refused to stand up immediately when he was asked to stop the violence, that is a person who does not have a role as the leader of our party going forward.”

She added, “We have to make sure that we are able to convey to the American voters, we are the party of responsibility, we are the party of truth, that we actually can be trusted to handle the challenges this nation faces like COVID and that’s going to require us to focus on substance and policy and issues going forward, but we should not be embracing the former president.”
 

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Meghan McCain: Trashing Pro-Impeachment Republicans Is a ‘Losing Strategy’

PAM KEY8 Feb 2021172

Meghan McCain told her co-hosts Monday on ABC’s “The View” that reports of House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) asking Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) to apologize for voting to impeach former President Donald Trump concerned her because it is a “losing strategy.”

McCain said, “There was a really interesting report that came out in Axios over the weekend that said that Kevin McCarthy actually asked her to apologize for voting for impeachment, and she said that. She said people in the caucus asked me to apologize, and she said that publicly. It’s interesting to know that it’s the leader of the caucus that asked her to do that, and she defiantly said she won’t apologize, and she has nothing to apologize for. I now am feeling very concerned about the fact that the leader of Republicans in Congress seems to think that if you are for impeachment, you have something to apologize for and atone for, and I do think that’s a losing strategy. I’m very skeptical of the big-tent party narrative right now because it doesn’t seem like there’s a lot of love for the Liz Cheneys of the party, which I guess at this point includes me.”

She added, “I’m very skeptical of the promises that we will respect the Liz Cheneys after this. My question is, how long until we start trashing her? I think she’s doing good work now, but at a certain point, she’s a red-blooded conservative. She’s not a squish or a RINO. She is not someone in the middle.”
 

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Growing evidence Capitol attack was pre-planned undercuts Trump impeachment premise

Emerging evidence also raises questions about whether the FBI and other security agencies acted proactively enough to thwart the violence.

Days before former President Trump's impeachment trial begins, newly filed federal charges against anti-government activists offer fresh, compelling evidence that the accused perpetrators of the Capitol riots pre-planned their attack days and weeks in advance and in plain sight of an FBI that vowed to be vigilant to extremist threats.

A dozen FBI affidavits supporting charges against the more than 200 defendants show rioters engaged in advance planning on social media sites. The planning included training, casing sites, identifying commanders on scene, and requests for donations of cash, as well as combat and communication gear.

More than a half dozen of the suspects are now charged with conspiracy to commit violence for actions predating the Jan. 6 riots. The early actions identified in court documents date back to November, with planning and rhetoric accelerating after Christmas, court records show.

That growing body of evidence raises questions about whether the FBI and other security agencies acted proactively enough to thwart the violence. It also undercuts the House Democrats' impeachment claim — supported by 10 Republicans — that Trump's speech spontaneously incited the riots, legal experts told Just the News.

"I would hope that those 10 Republicans and hopefully even some Democrats would say as we now look at the timelines that the media, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and all are reporting on, here's exactly it, the facts," said Kenneth Starr, the former federal appeals judge, solicitor general and Whitewater independent counsel.

"[House lawmakers] made a huge, colossal blunder," said Starr, who was a member of the defense team for Trump's first Senate impeachment trial. "So walk back, and apologize to the former president, apologize to the American people that I never should have voted in favor of this without the benefit of all the facts. I rushed to judgment."

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Trump's lawyers are planning to argue the president's speech did not in fact incite violence but rather called for peaceful protest and was protected by the First Amendment. They also are preparing a video montage showing Democrats making comments encouraging violence dating to last summer's BLM protests.

George Washington University legal scholar Jonathan Turley, a Democrat who has defended Trump on impeachment issues, argued in a column published Sunday in The Hill newspaper that the impeachment claims do not meet the legal standard of incitement.

"It is so much easier to claim easy prosecutions than to prosecute such made-for-television charges," Turley wrote. "I do not fault these experts for speculating about such a case, but many claim that prosecution would be relatively simple. That is just not true.

"The problem is free speech. The remarks of Trump last month would not satisfy the test in [landmark free speech case Brandenburg v. Ohio] when the Supreme Court said 'advocacy of the use of force or of law violation' is protected unless it is imminent. Trump did not call for use of force. He told supporters to go 'peacefully' and to 'cheer on' his allies in Congress."

Beyond the First Amendment, the FBI's investigation provides growing evidence that the riot was not spontaneous but planned. For instance, last week federal prosecutors filed an FBI affidavit showing that two days after Christmas, an anti-government activist named Ethan Nordean in the state of Washington posted a message on his Parler account as he planned to come to Washington for the Jan. 6 Capitol protest. It made a fund-raising appeal to "help us with safety/protective gear and communications equipment," according to FBI documents,

By Jan. 4, Nordean, a Proud Boys member who also went by the fictional name Rufio Panman, escalated the rhetoric as he prepared to come to the capital, suggesting violence was imminent.

"Let them remember the day they decided to make war with us," Nordean allegedly wrote on his Parler account.

Screenshots taken from a video "show NORDEAN and other Proud Boys dressed in tactical gear along with the phrase 'Back the YELLOW,' which is a phrase commonly used to show support for the Proud Boys," the FBI affidavit said.

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FBI affidavits filed against other defendants in the attack detail extensive fundraising efforts on popular and public websites like Go Fund Me and the Christian fundraising site GiveSendGo, prompting a crackdown on such sites.

One of the cases in which the FBI has detailed the most extensive pre-planning involves the conspiracy charges against Thomas Edward Caldwell, Donovan Ray Crowl, and Jessica Marie Watkins.

"Evidence uncovered in the course of the investigation demonstrates that not only did CALDWELL, CROWL, WATKINS, and others conspire to forcibly storm the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021 — they communicated with one another in advance of the incursion and planned their attack," an FBI affidavit states.

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The FBI alleges intercepted audio from the Jan. 6 attacks shows the three discussing sticking to a plan.

"We have a good group," Watkins is quoted saying in one of the transmissions. "We have about 30-40 of us. We are sticking together and sticking to the plan."

The affidavit also cites a pre-riot meeting at a northern Virginia hotel

In one Facebook message, Crowl tells Caldwell: "Will probably call you tomorrow ... mainly because ... I like to know wtf plan is. You are the man COMMANDER."

The FBI also states that days before the riot Caldwell appeared to refer to Oath Keepers leader Elmer Stewart Rhodes in a Facebook message to group members in which he talked about coordinating with activists from other states.

"I don't know if Stewie has even gotten out his call to arms but it's a little friggin late," Caldwell wrote, according to the FBI. "This is one we are doing on our own. We will link up with the north carolina crew."

As the FBI uses open-source social media to make its case against many of the accused perpetrators, questions are also arising about why the FBi didn't do more beforehand to thwart actors who were talking about war, violence and combat when they got to Washington.

FBI officials, when pressed about whether agents were too complacent before the attacks, noted that an alert was sent Jan. 4 to the Joint Terrorism Task Force in Washington, D.C. warning of possible violence.

They also cited Director Chris Wray's testimony in September to the House Judiciary Committee in which he vowed vigilance against anti-government and white supremacist activists but warned that the bureau often feels constrained by the line between the First Amendment and imminent threats of violence.

"We recognize that the FBI must be aware not just of the domestic violent extremism threat, but also of threats emanating from those responding violently to First Amendment-protected activities," Wray testified.

"In the past, we have seen some violent extremists respond to peaceful movements through violence rather than non-violent actions and ideas, he said.

"The FBI is involved only when responses cross from ideas and constitutionally protected protests to violence. Regardless of the specific ideology involved, the FBI requires that all domestic terrorism investigations be predicated based on activity intended to further a political or social goal, wholly or in part involving force, coercion, or violence, in violation of federal law."
 

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Facts, facts, we don t need no stinking facts. :prfl: This is a sham, wrapped
in a farce, rolled in an emigma, put in a baggie full of :poop:
Impeachment my :stfu: demoncrats.
 

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Cheney defied McCarthy's orders on how to handle her impeachment vote

Rep. Liz Cheney refused to apologize at Wednesday's caucus meeting for how she handled the issue of the Trump impeachment hearings. She refused.

Rep. Liz Cheney refused to apologize at Wednesday's caucus meeting for how she handled the issue of the Trump impeachment hearings. She refused.

"Several members have asked me to apologize for the vote, they’ve asked my colleagues who also voted to impeach to apologize for the vote," said Cheney on the House floor.

"I cannot do that. It was a vote of conscience. It was a vote of principle — a principle on which I stand and still believe."

According to Axios, McCarthy amicably told Cheney it would be a good idea to apologize to her fellow party members, because it could sway some people who are currently opposed to her.

Cheney figured that she would have enough support to weather the storm that was coming, and did indeed manage to win the vote 145-61 against removing her from House leadership.

However, she has been formally censured by the Wyoming Republican Party on Saturday over her actions and posture regarding the Trump impeachment.

She also continues to be at odds with the House Freedom Caucus, an agglomeration of pro-Trump Representatives.

Unabashed, Cheney recently went on an interview with Fox News on Sunday morning, and doubled down on her anti-Trump position, saying:

"People have been lied to. President Trump, for months leading up to January 6th, spread the notion that the election had been stolen ... and people need to understand that."
 

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This Impeachment Is A Disgraceful Sham
Your betters want to decide who you can and cannot vote for. You should be angry.


David Marcus

By David Marcus
FEBRUARY 8, 2021

So the petty little fascists in the Democratic Party have decided that their first order of business is telling you who you are allowed to vote for in the future. You see, they know better than you. That first order of business was not $2,000 checks, and if you feel like a sucker you should. It wasn’t opening schools — turns out that’s not a priority for Joe Biden. No, It’s a sham impeachment instead.

There is little point in litigating whether Donald Trump “incited” crazy horn hat man and alt-right lunatics like Baked Alaska to storm the Capitol. He didn’t.

Given politicians’ common use of “fight” metaphors and language and the information coming out showing that the riot was pre-planned and began while Trump was speaking, it’s absurd to suggest he did. By that standard, Democrats should be paying reparations to the business owners whose stores were looted on their commands for racial justice. So let’s just stop with all that.

It’s not clear that the Biden administration has noticed, but we are in the middle of a pandemic lockdown in much of the country that is crippling our livelihoods, depressing our kids, and generally making life a morose mess. And what is Biden’s answer? What is the great unifier doing? He’s sticking it to Trump voters and kissing the rear ends of teachers unions who are fabulous at everything except doing a day’s work to teach our kids.

You see, the most important thing right now, the greatest issue facing the nation, is impeaching a guy who isn’t even freaking president anymore. Everyone involved in this colossal waste of time and money is fully aware it is futile. Trump will not be convicted. Instead, some Democrats will just hypocritically pontificate for another several weeks while the work of the country doesn’t get dealt with.

This is a reason to be legitimately upset. We all naively believed that the year of our Lord 2021 could not possibly be stupider and more pointless than last year’s 365 days. Boy, a little off on that so far. So far since becoming president, Biden has passed a buffet of executive orders that do nothing for you or your life. All that money he promised you is, you know, in the works? I don’t know. But starting today we are impeaching Donald Trump.

Think about this. Really think about it. What are we even doing? We are impeaching a president who just lost reelection. Like, that wasn’t enough? He lost. Delaware Joe is ensconced in the White House killing jobs and inviting a border crisis. The good people won. The scourge of Trump is over, but they just can’t quit him. It’s almost as though the Democrats and their sycophantic allies in the media don’t know what to do if they can’t keep tap, tap, Tappering away at the bad orange man.

This is unlimitedly the problem with picking the normal candidate. The normal candidate doesn’t care about you. The normal candidate knows better than you. The normal candidate will screw you over to appease the powers that put him there. You don’t matter; you are the ruled rubes, not the governed citizens. And so this sham impeachment comes to be.

This week — maybe longer — we will see a trial that is no trial. It will be no fair and balanced weighing of facts. It already is an absurdity the likes of which no American should brook. Vladimir Putin could not conceive of a shabbier and shoddier pantomime of the rule of law than this “trial” that comes after a 10-minute impeachment in the House of Representatives. These people think you’re stupid. They really do.

This utterly and absolutely pointless exercise is an affront to our republic. It is grounded in nothing. It is not in the least bit meant to help you. You don’t even matter to them. Well, not exactly: it is meant to keep you from voting for whoever you want to be president. See, you can’t be trusted with that choice.

Biden knows better.

We have just spent four years with Democrats screaming outrage about the violations of norms. We were promised unity. And what do we have? A political pogrom against the ex-president that serves less purpose than a Hindu steakhouse. And you’re just supposed to take it.

The adults are in charge again, kids. Those four years where Trump thought about and delivered what you wanted are over. It’s back to politics as usual. None of this will benefit you in any way. But that’s kind of the point. It’s not about you. So shut up and take it.
 

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MOSELEY: Trump Team’s New Legal Brief DESTROYS Democrats’ Post-Presidency Impeachment Dreams

Virginia attorney Jon Moseley says Trump's legal team expertly crafted a legal brief that demolishes the Democrats' hopes of impeachment.
Jon Moseley
by JON MOSELEY
February 8, 2021

MOSELEY: Trump Team’s New Legal Brief DESTROYS Democrats’ Post-Presidency Impeachment Dreams
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On Monday, Donald Trump’s lawyers dropped a hydrogen fusion bomb on the idea of Congress impeaching a former official, such as former President Donald trump. The day before the Senate’s trial of Trump, new lawyers released Trump’s February 8 Trial Memorandum (aka “trial brief”).

The House of Representatives voted on Articles of Impeachment. Trump’s lawyers then responded to the Articles with President Trump’s 13-page “Answer” agreeing with or disputing the various allegations in the Articles on February 2, 2021.

Also on February 2, 2021, the Democrat House Impeachment Managers released their 80-page trial brief. Today, Monday, February 8, 2021, Trump’s lawyers filed their own 75-page trial brief.

There is plenty to interest everyone in a 75 page trial brief. It summarizes all the context and background. It challenges the lack of any evidence offered by the Democrats., only opinions and newspaper articles.

The brief challenges the legal meaning of “insurrection” as unrelated to what happened on January 6. Insurrection means an attempt to over-throw a government and replace it with a new government, the brief proves from legal authorities, not a protest expressing dissatisfaction. Not even a temporary interruption of a government body to try to change a decision qualifies as anything like an insurrection. (Remember the months of protests that disrupted the building of the Keystone XL pipeline.)

The brief accuses the Democrats of ripping President Trump’s words out of context and misrepresenting what Trump said. Trump’s brief chronicles in detail how Trump did not incite anyone because those people were already preparing to breach the Capitol starting weeks earlier.

The brief touches on the well-established legal doctrine that one is not responsible for the independent intervening actions of third parties. For example, if I roll a bowling ball down a hill and it hits a house, I am responsible because the bowling ball has no intelligence, will, or movement of its own. But if I say “Hey, isn’t that the guy who stole your bicycle? We should call the police,” and then the victim runs after the thief and beats him up, there is an intervening third-party cause. Humans think and decide for themselves, which breaks the chain of causation in the law.

However, everyone in politics or law has been debating whether the Senate can constitutionally hold a trial on impeachment after a public official has already left office. The Constitution says too little, as is typical. Therefore, we are left looking for clues.

But President Trump’s new lawyers, Bruce L. Castor, Jr., David Schoen, and Michael T. van der Veen, just nuked that debate on pages 15 to 17 of their trial brief. Whereas everyone has been searching for elusive clues within the very few words in the Constitution, Trump’s lawyers slammed “Bill of Attainder” on the table.

The Constitution absolutely prohibits a “Bill of Attainder” — no wiggle room.

President Trump’s trial brief proves from legal authorities that the impeachment (trial of impeachment) of a private citizen is a prohibited “Bill of Attainder.”

First, many of these details demonstrate a complete and sharp rejection of the British style of impeachment. The British Parliament did these things. The United States firmly rejected these practices. That’s why impeachment from England cannot guide us in the U.S.A. The Prime Minister is chosen by Parliament and subject to removal on a moment’s notice. The U.S.A. created three equally-strong, independent branches. Parliament could try private citizens for any high crimes. The framers of the U.S. Constitution went out of their way to slam the door on what the Parliament did in England.

The trial brief explains on page 15 that the Bill of Attainder clause:
“prohibits Congress from enacting ‘a law that legislatively determines guilt and inflicts punishment upon an identifiable individual without provision of the protections of a judicial trial.’37 Simply put, ‘[a] bill of attainder is a legislative act which inflicts punishment without a judicial trial.’38 ‘The distinguishing characteristic of a bill of attainder is the substitution of legislative determination of guilt and legislative imposition of punishment for judicial finding and sentence. 39”
President Trump’s lawyers found what the entire political and legal worlds missed. The Constitution absolutely prohibits punishment of a private citizen by Congress, rather than by the Judiciary.
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Democrat House Impeachment Managers and officials walk second Articles of Impeachment to the U.S. Senate

Therefore, impeachment of a former public official is not constitutional. What the Democrats are doing in the Senate Tuesday and what they did on January 13 in the House is a Bill of Attainder. You can’t do that. A bow and “we are not worthy” to Trump’s recently-appointed attorneys.
“When the Senate undertakes an impeachment trial of a private citizen, it is acting as a judge and jury rather than a legislative body. And this is exactly the type of situation that the Bill of Attainder [clause] was meant to preclude. It is clear that disqualification from holding future office is a kind of punishment that is subject to the constitutional inhibition against the passage of bills of attainder, under which general designation bills of pains and penalties are included; in Cummings, Ex parte Garland, and Brown, the Supreme Court thrice struck down provisions that precluded support of the South or support of Communism from holding certain jobs as being in violation of this prohibition.44 Thus the impeachment of a private citizen in order to disqualify them from holding office is an unconstitutional act constituting a Bill of Attainder.”
Curiously, the brief also argues that the Democrats are trying to redefine “President” to include “former President.” But that cannot be. Would the Democrats accept a former President nominating judges to fill court vacancies, or issuing pardons, or declaring war? Clearly “President” does not include “former President.”

Now, it is true that the Senate has held a couple of impeachment trials of former civil officials. But that does not change the Constitution. The 1876 impeachment of President Grant’s Secretary of War Belknap was defeated because 22 of the Senators did not believe the impeachment of a former official was valid. No former civil official was ever convicted.

The brief also quotes from famous Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, in his influential three volume treatise Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States and Professor Alan Dershowitz to show in detail, legally, why a former official cannot be impeached.

The brief delightfully quotes from Columbia Law professor Philip Bobbitt:
“by this logic a president could be disqualified from holding office without being removed, an obvious absurdity.”
The brief also quotes from Alexander Hamilton:
“Of this kind is the doctrine of disqualification, disfranchisement, and banishment by acts of the legislature. The dangerous consequences of this power are manifest. If the legislature can disfranchise any number of citizens at pleasure by general descriptions, it may soon confine all the votes to a small number of partisans, and establish an aristocracy or an oligarchy; if it may banish at discretion all those whom particular circumstances render obnoxious, without hearing or trial, no man can be safe, nor know when he may be the innocent victim of a prevailing faction. The name of liberty applied to such a government would be a mockery of common sense.85”
Finally, Democrats are distraught that a civil official could escape punishment by resigning. That fever in Washington, D.C. is a falsehood. The Constitution explicitly says that even an impeached and removed official remains subject to criminal prosecution after leaving office, but by the Article III courts, not by Congress. This unfortunately is the real danger facing Donald Trump.

Juries in D.C. will be drawn from the voter rolls, where 95% of D.C. voters voted for Joe Biden. Until conservatives can get 250,000 conservatives (without regard to race of course) to move to Washington, D.C, the 341,000 D.C. voters will not be a friendly place if Trump is prosecuted.

C-Span expects the trial to start 1:00 PM EST on Tuesday, February 9, 2021. People can watch live or whenever convenient “on demand” on C-Span’s special website page.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment

Schumer, McConnell Reach Agreement on Trump Impeachment Trial – Here Are the Details

By Cristina Laila
Published February 8, 2021 at 4:21pm
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Top Senators Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell announced Monday they reached an agreement on the framework for Trump’s impeachment trial.

The sham trial will begin Tuesday, February 9th.

Here are the details via Fox News:
Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said on Monday that he, Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and former President Donald Trump’s counsel had reached an agreement on the structure for the upcoming impeachment trial.

That structure will include four hours divided evenly between the Impeachment Managers and Trump’s counsel to present arguments on Tuesday regarding the constitutionality of the trial, followed by a vote.
If the trial proceeds, there will be up to sixteen hours for the Impeachment Managers in the House to lay out their case starting on Wednesday, and 16 hours for Trump’s defense.

There will then be equal time provided for senator’s questions, closing arguments and Senate deliberations.
It will be up to the managers to request witnesses.
“For the information of the Senate, the Republican leader and I, in consultation with both the House managers and Former President Trump’s lawyers, have agreed to a bipartisan resolution to govern the structure and timing of the impending trial,” Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said from the Senate floor.

“All parties have agreed to a structure that will ensure a fair and honest Senate impeachment trial of the former president,” Schumer said.

WATCH:

View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1358887074582134785
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Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) confirmed on the Senate floor that he reached a deal with Schumer.

“I’m pleased that Leader Schumer and I were able to reach an agreement on a fair process and estimated timeline for the upcoming Senate trial,” McConnell said. “It will give senators as jurors ample time to receive the case and the arguments.”

Trump’s lead lawyers argued the Senate should immediately dismiss the articles of impeachment in a 75-page legal brief filed Monday morning.

Trump’s impeachment lawyers David Schoen and Bruce Castor in a pretrial brief accused the House Democrats of suffering from “Trump Derangement Syndrome,” engaging in “political theater” and called the trial unconstitutional because Trump is no longer in office.

Update: Trump’s lawyers responded to Schumer and McConnell’s announcement they came to deal on impeachment:

“President Trump and his counsel are pleased that there was bipartisan support on how to structure the impeachment trial,” Trump’s team said in a statement.

“We appreciate that Senate Republican leadership stood strong for due process and secured a structure that is consistent with past precedent. This process will provide us with an opportunity to explain to Senators why it is absurd and unconstitutional to hold an impeachment trial against a private citizen.”
 

Nich1

Veteran Member
I am not an attorney and I don't play one on TV, BUT...if the election and voter fraud is not included in this "trial," it will be another opportunity for justice that won't be seized. The vote has already been taken about the impeachment...the republicans cannot take back their votes so it's a "no brainer." Show the world WHY people went to DC to rally around the President...they went because the election was stolen. To date, very limited hearings have been allowed to showcase what happened. Here's a chance to rub into the mud all the noses of all those who have been saying "there is no evidence." Show the Mary Fanning evidence of international intervention, for cryin' out loud!

OK...calm down...speaking to myself. This may be the final chapter, at least as I see it. If this election is not corrected, there will never be another legitimate election in this country. Those who are saying that in 2022, we can get things back on track are sadly mistaken. They have done it more than once now. Isn't that enough? Bring on the law and order that we crave.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
My real serious problem with all this is the Constitution Says "The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court SHALL" be the one presiding over a presidential impeachment trial.

Robert's "declined" so this isn't an actual impeachment trial,
since I haven't seen a constitutional amendment or anything recently passed by 2/3rds of the States to change that. Nor do we even have an "Associate Justice" deemed a reasonable substitution - we have instead a Senator.

There are a lot of other things that make this a show trial, but that is the most glaring. Because if they go through with this the Senate is basically screaming out there and in public "The Constitution no longer has any standing."

I mean we all know it gets ignored sometimes (and that has probably happened on occasion since the document was first signed and distributed).

But I can't recall any time it has been so publically and obviously totally ignored even when the topic has been printed, mentioned, and talked about directly in the media since probably Lincoln. I mean there have been other cases sure where it has been ignored, but I can't recall anywhere it that was practically announced without fanfare as if the constitution did not exist.

Usually, such things are "handled" away from the public with hopes no one notices, and if I can notice this (as can anyone on this forum) I can't for a moment understand why the lawyers are not playing this up more or maybe they will tomorrow we shall see.

That's in addition to the absurdity of trying a "private citizen" by Congress which is also illegal (and they have figured that part out to argue at least). If they think they have criminal charges, the Senators should let a Grand Jury and the Justice system "get on with it."

I mean they probably will on some topics, but I suspect "insurrection" will not be one of them (taxes and other stuff is much more likely, that's always a fallback when going against nearly anyone, especially those in business).
 
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