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pauldingbabe

The Great Cat
its getting nutty, or maybe the zombies are starting to hatch. must be city folk.

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The howling you heard last night? It wasn’t coyotes. Communities across CO have started howling at 8 p.m. each night to connect with one another while staying home, and show solidarity for health care workers and first responders during the pandemic. http://ow.ly/QlSq50z9pdt

Seriously? Most of these people can't get the phone out of their faces even if they are outside. Are they really this bored?

I'm never that desperate or bored. There is always something that needs doing.

Different lives i guess? I don't get it.
 

marsh

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marsh

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State telemeeting about California fishing ban erupts into chaos. ‘Make fishing great again!’
BY RYAN SABALOW AND

HANNAH WILEY
APRIL 09, 2020 10:11 AM, UPDATED 1 HOUR 7 MINUTES

The California Fish and Game Commission was supposed to host a telemeeting April 29, 2020, to discuss granting power to a Newsom appointee to close the fishing season in certain areas. Because of technical problems, it devolved into chaos. BY DAVID CARACCIO | RYAN SABALOW

The California Fish and Game Commission abruptly canceled a teleconference Thursday morning amid cries of “make fishing great again!” and “fascists!” before it could consider authorizing a limited ban on sportfishing in some areas.

Earlier this week, a group of conservative politicians, sheriffs and media outlets told their followers that Gov. Gavin Newsom’s administration was planning to outright cancel the fishing season statewide because of COVID-19.

Some rural communities fear too many out-of-town anglers would import the new coronavirus and infect residents. About 1 million licensed anglers regularly fish California’s waterways through the year, making the state one of the country’s most active fishing states.

The intent of the state’s proposed order was more limited, however. The Fish and Game Commission’s teleconference meeting Thursday was supposed to decide whether to give emergency powers to Charlton Bonham, Newsom’s appointee overseeing the Department of Fish and Wildlife, so he could close fishing season in certain areas at the request of local officials.

Almost immediately, the 8:30 a.m. meeting was overwhelmed by more than 500 participants on the call.

State officials and participants urged everyone on the line to mute their lines amid the howls of background noise and beeping as dozens called in. One of those who didn’t mute shouted, “I have a right to speak!”

“Fascists!” another said.

“You cancel, we’re just coming back,” another said.

“Let’s make fishing great again!” said another.

“Make a stand! Join the Klan!” said another as the meeting devolved into chaos.

At one point, someone broadcast what sounded like an evangelist’s sermon.

The commission stopped the meeting because members of the five-member board couldn’t get on the line and have a quorum, the majority of members needed to hold a vote.

“We’re trying to work this out. This is a new system. This is a crisis,” Commission President Eric Sklar said before getting cut off by an abrupt few seconds of silence.

State officials said they were trying to figure out a way to reschedule the meeting next week, while also trying to figure out a system that would allow them to better moderate public comments. When the meeting is rescheduled, it will be posted on the commission’s website, sent out via listserv.

“We also want to make it crystal clear that today’s proposed decision was not about banning fishing statewide or locally,” Bonham and Sklar said in a joint statement emailed to reporters after the meeting. “We are not contemplating statewide closure. The decision is to help prepare us to work with counties and tribes to make those decisions based on their requests. We are working on a tailored and surgical approach based on local needs and knowledge.”

Later Thursday, The Nor-Cal Guides and Sportsmen’s Association condemned the offensive remarks on the conference call.

“We do not condone this behavior,” the group said on Facebook. “It was out of control and it even got worse after! Please join the public process and tell your friends to be part of this conversation, but this is completely inappropriate and it doesn’t help our cause.”

NEWSOM ADDRESSES CONCERNS

Newsom responded to the meeting during his daily coronavirus press conference on Thursday, after his office had been “inundated by people who are concerned that we canceled the fishing season.”

“That is not the case,” Newsom said. “We just want to delay, not deny, the season.”

Newsom said Mono and Inyo County officials had reached out with concerns that the upcoming season would bring a wave of people to their rural areas, which don’t have the health care resources to mitigate a massive COVID-19 outbreak.

“They have fishing season coming up and they’re just worried about being overwhelmed by everybody who has a little cabin fever that wants to get out and get on those streams,” Newsom said.

Newsom, who said he’s “passionate” about fishing, explained that he’s working with local officials and the Department of Fish and Wildlife to develop a “county by county” protocol.

“Just know that we are not ending the season,” he said, “We just want to delay it a little bit and work with the counties to address the surge of interest and the need to keep everyone protected and everyone safe in this circumstance.”

STATE WANTED ‘SOMETHING DIFFERENT’

Bonham told The Sacramento Bee on Monday that, so far, only a couple of rural counties, Inyo and Mono, had urged fisheries regulators to postpone the upcoming spring trout season in their areas to prevent thousands of out of town anglers from coming in and spreading the virus to residents. Sierra and Alpine counties also had requested a closure.

“Instead of all at once and a mammoth (statewide) closure, we’re going to do something different,” Bonham told The Bee.

Soon after Bonham spoke to The Bee, the conservative media site the “California Globe” posted a story lifting sections of The Bee’s reporting and leaving out Bonham’s remarks that he wasn’t closing the season outright.

“CA Department Of Fish And Wildlife Commissioner Wants To Close Sportfishing Season Due To COVID-19,” the Globe’s headline read.

The story was shared on Facebook by Assemblyman James Gallager, R-Yuba City. “Um no. This makes no sense at all,” he wrote Tuesday. Gallagher clarified on his official page Wednesday that he checked with officials who told him there was no statewide ban under discussion, and local counties weren’t asking for one.

Meanwhile, U.S. Rep. Doug LaMalfa, R-Richvale, also shared the Globe story on his personal Facebook page.

“The enviros don’t really want you out there to begin with,” LaMalfa wrote.

“Using this quarantine period to advance government control that would never sell otherwise is a breach of trust. It could have the effect of many deciding to become defiant and do what they want when they sense their ‘leadership’ isn’t fair or logical.”

“Fishing is an essential part of rural life, Unlike SoCal, Northstate lakes & rivers are not crowded,” State Sen. Jim Nielsen, R-Gerber, said Wednesday evening on Twitter. “Anglers respect social distancing. No need to ban fishing statewide as proposed in Thursday’s mtg.”

He linked to a commission meeting notice that very clearly stated the closure would only be “in specific areas within the state when necessary to protect public health from the threat posed by COVID-19.”

At least two north state sheriffs — Modoc’s and Shasta’s — also shared letters they sent the commission on Wednesday with their Facebook followers urging the commission not to close the statewide fishing season, despite that not being what was under discussion.

California isn’t the only state to consider suspending fishing in some form. Late last month, Washington state closed fishing statewide. Meanwhile, some other states are taking a different approach. For instance, the governor of Texas included hunting and fishing in a list of “essential services.”

On Thursday, Oregon closed its fishing and hunting seasons to non residents.
 

marsh

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Is an 'immunity certificate' the way to get out of coronavirus lockdown?
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By Laura Smith-Spark, CNN

Updated 3:00 PM ET, Fri April 3, 2020

(CNN)Perhaps half the world's population is living under some form of restriction to help curb the spread of coronavirus. Many are starting to wonder when and how these tough limits on everyday activities will end.

Most experts agree that the only way out of a lockdown is testing. Reliable tests would allow people to know whether they have had the virus, and therefore enjoy at least a degree of immunity. They would give officials the ability to isolate new outbreaks when they emerge.

But just how would people prove their status -- and just what rights would that status confer? These are big questions that countries around the world are grappling with.

In the UK, Health Secretary Matt Hancock -- who has himself just emerged from self-isolation after testing positive for Covid-19 -- suggested that Britons who've had the virus might be issued with a certificate, which has already been dubbed an immunity passport.

"We are looking at an immunity certificate, how people who've had the disease, have got the antibodies and therefore have immunity, can show that and get back as much as possible to normal life," he said. On the BBC later, he said it could take the form of a wristband.

As China goes back to work, many wonder if the country's coronavirus recovery can be trusted

For many who have already lost their jobs or are desperate to return to work and keep businesses alive, the idea sounds like a godsend. But little is yet known about how feasible or reliable such a scheme would be -- not least because the evidence surrounding Covid-19 immunity is not clear. "It's too early in the science of the immunity that comes from having had the disease" to take any firm decisions now, Hancock said.

Potential challenges include finding a reliable test to determine who has antibodies for the coronavirus, establishing the level of immunity conferred by previous infection and how long it lasts, and the capacity of overstretched health systems to carry out reliable, widespread antibody tests in the general population.

Difficult social questions could also be thrown up. Could immunity passports create a kind of two-tier society, where those who have them can return to a more normal life while others remain locked down?

The UK government has already been widely criticized this week over its limited coronavirus testing capacity for frontline health care workers and others, prompting skepticism about whether it could deliver a more ambitious program.

Britain's Health Secretary Matt Hancock is seen at the opening of the NHS Nightingale field hospital in London on Friday.


Britain's Health Secretary Matt Hancock is seen at the opening of the NHS Nightingale field hospital in London on Friday.

Pressed about the immunity passport idea Friday, Hancock told UK broadcaster ITV that the UK government had not so far found an antibody test that works.

The idea of immunity certificates is "a really smart one," he said. "But as yet we're not going to bring them in because we don't know yet that the immunity is strong enough and there's still more science that needs to be done about the levels of immunity in people after they've had the disease.

"So it's only when we have the confidence that that's reasonable are we going to do that."

Scientists are looking seriously at the idea, he added, including at Public Health England's laboratories at Porton Down, a top-secret government research site.

Two-tier society?
Paul Hunter, professor of health protection at England's University of East Anglia, told CNN that his first reaction on hearing Hancock's proposal was "what a brilliant idea" but that his thoughts had quickly turned to what could go wrong.

On the positive side, he said, "if you get something like this, you can get people back into areas where they are going to be meeting lots of others -- health care workers, front line workers, supermarket workers, who would otherwise be at risk but once they've had the infection know that they don't need to worry they will take the infection back to their families."

One big downside, however, is the potential for people to act fraudulently.

"Could people pretend they were immune when they weren't because they needed to go out and earn money?" Hunter asked.

It's also not clear whether the antibody test, once a reliable type has been developed, would be administered at home or in a healthcare setting.
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"If you are basing it on home tests, how does whoever signs your 'passport' know that you have actually read it right?" said Hunter. "How do they know that you have tested properly, read it properly, and the result is accurate? If you go somewhere else, how do they know that you are who you say you are and that you haven't swapped with someone who looks like you on your driving license?"

Another more serious issue, he said, is whether people might deliberately seek to get infected in order to -- hopefully -- recover and go back to work. "If that happens, that might undermine a lot of what we are trying to do with social distancing."

But while such an immunity passport would be divisive, the inequality wouldn't last forever, Hunter points out.

A vaccine will most likely be developed by early next year, he said, allowing those most at risk to be protected, and by then more of the population would in any case be immune.

Medical staff work at a National Health Service drive-through coronavirus testing facility in an IKEA car park in Wembley, London.


Medical staff work at a National Health Service drive-through coronavirus testing facility in an IKEA car park in Wembley, London.

China's color-based QR codes
The United Kingdom is not alone in grappling with the idea of how safely to end its population's confinement and get people back to work.

China, which is cautiously beginning to open back up after weeks of restrictions, is using smart phone technology to try to prevent a resurgence of the coronavirus.

Residents of Hubei province, except for the city of Wuhan, were told last month that they would be allowed to leave the province if they have a green QR code on their mobile phones.

Asia may have been right about coronavirus and face masks, and the rest of the world is coming around

Hubei had previously ordered all its residents to obtain the color-based QR code -- which comes in red, yellow and green -- and acts as an indicator of people's health status.

The colors are assigned according to the provincial epidemic control database: people who have been diagnosed as confirmed, suspected or asymptomatic cases, or people with a fever will receive the red color code; their close contacts will receive the yellow code; and people without any record in the database will get the green code -- meaning they're healthy and safe to travel.

On April 8, the easing of restrictions will be extended to Wuhan, where the coronavirus first emerged in December, and residents with a green QR code will be able to leave the city and the province for the first time in more than two months.

Officials in the city of some 11 million residents have warned people not to go out too much, however, amid fears of a renewed wave of cases.

The authorities last week introduced strict new limits on foreigners arriving in the country, in order to prevent just such a second wave.

South Korea, which has relied on aggressive testing and contact tracing to curb the coronavirus' spread, introduced a GPS-based app to make sure that people who were self-quarantined at home stayed put.
 

marsh

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We hear you, and we understand your concern.
We hear you, and understand your perspective and perception of our proposed Digital Immunity Verification. From the minute the idea was conceived, it has been about enabling our freedom, not constricting it. We saw a way to leverage our existing technology to help businesses re-open and our economy get back to moving as soon as possible. Lifekey was developed in 2018 to enable access to emergency medical information when it’s needed most —

It is not our intention to mandate antibody testing, only to enable those with the COVID-19 antibody to be able to get back out there. With the antibody, we saw a way to let doctors, nurses and first responders to get peace of mind and perform at home health services again. And, to give volunteers a way to help those at high-risk with things like grocery shopping, delivering prescribed medications and more.

We don’t track data and again, we don’t want this to be a mandate of any sort. It was our hope that we could use technology to partially solve a problem that would enable us to get businesses back open and public places active again.

We’re a small startup and are not affiliated with any large organizations, government entities, groups or anyone other than our small team. We are not funded by any of those entities either. Please, give us the benefit of your understanding. We thought we were doing something positive and unfortunately, the narrative hasn’t always been clear. We welcome your ideas to help the economy get moving as quickly as possible.

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jward

passin' thru
From my observations watching their carts at the local Farmington, nm Sam's and walmarts, they tend to eat predominately cheap carbohydrates and drink way too much soda and booze. I am sure type 2 diabetes is off the charts...just like the blacks. Anecdotally, the Gallup, NM and west end Farmington Walmarts haven't carried Auguson farms storage food in the 5 years I have been in the area but the candy aisles are the biggest I have ever seen. Take it for what it's worth and stating what I see doesn't make me a racists....so piss up a rope John Reb!

You may or may not be racist lol, but what you say about the lifestyle being the primary cause of the high rates in that population seems borne out by the research. May be a slight genetic predisposition to insulin resistance, but ....
 

marsh

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Nancy Pelosi Claims There’s ‘No Data’ To Prove Small Businesses Need More Emergency Funds
By Emily ZanottiDailyWire.com

WASHINGTON, DC - APRIL 01: U.S. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) is interviewed by CNN about the government response to the ongoing global coronavirus pandemic in the rotunda of the Russell Senate Office Building on Capitol Hill April 01, 2020 in Washington, DC. Pelosi told host Anderson Cooper that the federal government needs to give more financial help to state and local governments dealing with COVID-19. We had $150 billion in the bill that the President just signed. That is simply not enough, unfortunately, she said. (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)
Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), the architect behind Democrats’ decision to block $250 billion in additional funding to small businesses suffering because of coronavirus-related lockdowns, now says there’s “no data” to support an influx of emergency cash, even as banks are reaching their lending capacity due to unprecedented demand for aid.

Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) moved to block Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) from passing the emergency bill by unanimous consent on Thursday morning. McConnell had hoped that the need for assistance would be evident enough that he would not have to call Congress back from recess to vote on the measure, but Democrats disagreed.

McConnell was left incensed, noting that the $350 billion Paycheck Protection Program fund, which guarantees entrepreneurs with fewer than 500 employees low-interest loans that will be forgiven if they use the money to keep workers on the payroll, is “on track to be depleted by the end of this month.”

Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin reportedly told McConnell the funds are going fast and, according to Fast Company, some banks, including Wells Fargo, have actually reached their lending capacity after loaning out a shocking $10 billion in just the first week of the program — and Wells Fargo limited its loans to small businesses with 50 or fewer employees.

“Given the exceptionally high volume of requests we have already received, we will not be able to accept any additional requests for a loan through the Paycheck Protection Program,” the company said in a statement. “We will review all expressions of interest submitted by customers via our online form through April 5 and provide updates in the coming days.”

In her weekly news conference, Pelosi made the shocking claim that American small businesses are not in desperate need of help, claiming there’s “no data” to support expanding the Paycheck Protection Program.

“There is no data as to why we need the rest when there are outstanding needs,” Pelosi said, calling McConnell’s decision to bring the emergency measure to the floor a “stunt.”

But Pelosi told Anderson Cooper later that the PPP “really needs money right away, we know that, because of the demand,” according to the Hill, and acknowledged that “the $350 billion for the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) included in the last round of coronavirus relief is insufficient to meet the demand.”

What she wants from McConnell, though, is a guarantee that the funds will help only specific Americans, according to identity, and that any new relief package will provide additional funding to cities, states, and health care systems that just received an influx of cash under the third coronavirus relief package, negotiated and passed in late March. Healthcare systems received $150 billion under the CARES act and cities received $340 billion.

“When the secretary called this morning to ask for the additional funds, we were like, we want to make sure that the program is administered in a way that does not solidify inequality in how people have access to capital,” Pelosi said.

Pelosi and Democrats want money earmarked for “community-based financial institutions that serve farmers, family, women, minority and veteran-owned small businesses and nonprofits in rural, tribal, suburban and urban communities across our country” — requirements that would complicate the first-come, first-served nature of the program with further government checks and red tape.

Of course, Pelosi and the Democratic caucus are hard at work on a separate relief package of their own, thought to cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $1 trillion.
 

Shadow

Swift, Silent,...Sleepy

Nancy Pelosi Claims There’s ‘No Data’ To Prove Small Businesses Need More Emergency Funds
By Emily ZanottiDailyWire.com


Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), the architect behind Democrats’ decision to block $250 billion in additional funding to small businesses suffering because of coronavirus-related lockdowns, now says there’s “no data” to support an influx of emergency cash, even as banks are reaching their lending capacity due to unprecedented demand for aid.

Of course, Pelosi and the Democratic caucus are hard at work on a separate relief package of their own, thought to cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $1 trillion.
Where was the data for the appropriations the dems did make?
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jward

passin' thru
humm.


Seattle’s Army-built field hospital is coming down without treating a single patient



SEATTLE -- Even as some questions remain about the extent of the outbreak in Washington state, Gov. Jay Inslee Wednesday announced he would return to the federal government the field hospital recently assembled in Seattle’s CenturyLink Field Event Center to help the health care system cope with the new coronavirus.

With the USNS Comfort still stationed in New York, and the USNS Mercy in Los Angeles, Inslee's decision could mark the first return of hospital beds to the federal government during the pandemic from anywhere in the nation.

Inslee in recent days has cited more favorable projections for what's to come next in the outbreak of COVID-19 in Washington, the state that at one time led the nation in cases and deaths. As of Wednesday afternoon, there were 9,097 confirmed cases of coronavirus in Washington, with 421 deaths.

The University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation recently sharply reduced its estimate of how many Washingtonians are likely to die from COVID-19, and it has suggested the state may already have passed its peak for COVID-19 hospitalizations.

Still, those downward revisions come as state health officials have struggled to post full and timely reports for hospital admissions of patients with suspected or confirmed diagnoses of COVID-19.

In addition to the return of the field hospital, Inslee announced Sunday that he was returning 400 ventilators to the federal government's national stockpile, to assist other states in worse shape.



In his statement Wednesday, the governor said the move to disassemble the field hospital will allow the facility to "be deployed to another state facing a more significant need."

[This emergency management specialist has spent years planning for a moment like this. Here’s how an Anchorage hospital is preparing for COVID-19.]

The field hospital, which just last week was toured by the Army's chief of staff, never treated a single patient, according to Inslee spokesman Mike Faulk.

Nathaniel Castonguay, a licensed vocational nurse out of Fort Lewis, helps organize medical drawers as the Army sets up a field hospital for non-COVID-19 patients at CenturyLink Field Events Center in Seattle. (Amanda Snyder/Seattle Times/TNS)

Nathaniel Castonguay, a licensed vocational nurse out of Fort Lewis, helps organize medical drawers as the Army sets up a field hospital for non-COVID-19 patients at CenturyLink Field Events Center in Seattle. (Amanda Snyder/Seattle Times/TNS)

A U.S. Army soldier walks inside a mobile surgical unit being set up by soldiers from Fort Carson, Colo., and Joint Base Lewis-McChord as part of a field hospital inside CenturyLink Field Event Center, Tuesday, March 31, 2020, in Seattle. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)

A U.S. Army soldier walks inside a mobile surgical unit being set up by soldiers from Fort Carson, Colo., and Joint Base Lewis-McChord as part of a field hospital inside CenturyLink Field Event Center, Tuesday, March 31, 2020, in Seattle. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)

Set up about a week ago by hundreds of U.S. Army soldiers, the 250-bed field hospital was intended to handle any overflow of non-COVID-19 patients while area medical centers dealt with the pandemic.

The portable hospital is designed to include intensive-care beds and surgical services, as well as a laboratory, pharmacy and a radiological unit. The 62nd Medical Brigade from Joint Base Lewis-McChord and the 627th Hospital Center and 10th Field Hospital, both based at Fort Carson, Colorado, were assigned to staff the facility.

Washington now has no requests for military medical personnel to assist in the coronavirus response, according to state Military Department spokeswoman Karina Shagren.

"It's possible the 62nd Medical Brigade will stay in the state to support JBLM's response -- or if necessary, they could go to support another field hospital elsewhere," Shagren wrote in an email.

The governor said the hospital was requested "before our physical distancing strategies were fully implemented and we had considerable concerns that our hospitals would be overloaded with COVID-19 cases.

"But we haven't beat this virus yet, and until we do, it has the potential to spread rapidly if we don't continue the measures we've put in place," Inslee added.

In an email, Inslee spokeswoman Tara Lee wrote that other than the field hospital and the 400 ventilators, she wasn't aware of the state returning any other medical supplies to the federal government.

Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan called Inslee's announcement the right decision, because the region's hospitals appear to have enough capacity, ICU beds and ventilators.

"While Seattle fought hard for these resources, it's clear other communities are in desperate need of this high-quality medical facility and personnel," Durkan said. "This virus knows no borders, and we must care for the sick and vulnerable, regardless of any city, county, or state line."

Isolation and quarantine sites being run by King County -- such as the Shoreline Temporary Field Hospital -- remain in operation, according to Chase Gallagher, a spokesman for King County Executive Dow Constantine.

That facility is for people who are unable to isolate and recover from COVID-19 in their own house.

On Tuesday, King County had 39 people using its various quarantine and isolation sites, according to Gallagher.
 

Squid

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Ilhan Omar: Next Relief Package Must Provide Cash Payments to Non-Citizens

U.S. Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., left, joined at right by U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., responds to base remarks by President Donald Trump after he called for four Democratic congresswomen of color to go back to their broken countries, as he exploited the nation's glaring racial divisions once again for …'s glaring racial divisions once again for …
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Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) on Tuesday proposed legislation that would extend cash benefits from the latest emergency coronavirus relief measure to members of “mixed status” families and stressed that the next stage of relief must extend cash payments to non-citizens.

An individual must have a Social Security number to receive the cash benefit portion provided in the CARES Act — a requirement that has been met with heavy criticism from several members of the Democrat Party, including Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY). Her fellow “Squad” member agrees, with her press release lamenting that the bill “leaves out many noncitizens and mixed status families—even if members of the family are citizens.”

As a result, Omar introduced the Recovery Rebates Improvement Act which “fixes the major error by expanding the special rule for the military in the CARES Act.” However, Omar also called for comprehensive legislation in the next relief package to “ensure that all noncitizens, whether holding a SSN or not, can access these relief payments.”

“It is absurd and cruel that a taxpaying, mixed status couple or family could be excluded from this relief,” Omar said in a statement.

“Over 140,000 Minnesotans live in mixed status families of some form. As currently written, many Minnesotans who are in this country legally or part of a mixed status family will not receive any stimulus money, even if one of them has a social security number but the other does not,” she explained:


Per the release:

She also sent a letter to the Department of Treasury, urging it to address the eligibility requirements to “clarify how certain taxpayers and dependents can actually receive these payments.”

Three House Democrats, Reps. Lou Correa (CA), Judy Chu (CA), and Raúl Grijalva (AZ), introduced a measure to amend the CARES Act, extending the cash benefits to ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers) taxpayers, which includes those residing the country illegally.

“The Leave No Taxpayer Behind Act amends the CAREs Act to ensure that all taxpayers are eligible for their $1,200 relief check,” the release states, adding that “every individual taxpayer irrespective of citizenship status should receive government assistance.”
Has anyone else noticed when these crazy-eyed government democrats start waving their arms they really start looking like Hitler in one of his speeches????

:cool:
 

marsh

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Pence Blacklists CNN After Network Cut Back Airtime For Coronavirus Briefings
By Tim PearceDailyWire.com

U.S. President Donald Trump speaks during his coronavirus task force briefing in the Brady Press Briefing Room at the White House on April 08, 2020 in Washington, DC. Trump vowed to hold back funding for the World Health Organization at the briefing, accusing the organization of having not been aggressive enough in confronting the virus, but later denied saying the funding would be withheld, according to published reports. (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)
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Vice President Mike Pence’s office has blocked CNN’s access to administration health officials over the way the network has covered the Coronavirus Task Force daily briefings.

For the past week, Pence’s office has refused to make available health officials, such as Drs. Deborah Birx or Anthony Fauci, for appearances on CNN, according to the network. CNN has frequently refused to air the opening portion of President Trump’s daily press briefings, only to cut in when Trump begins taking question from reporters. As CNN reports:
CNN often only broadcasts President Donald Trump’s question and answer session, which sometimes includes the health care officials, live on-air.
After Trump leaves the podium, CNN frequently cuts out of the White House briefing to discuss and fact-check what the President had said. A CNN executive said that the network usually returns to such programming because of the extensive length of the full briefing that includes Pence, which can run in excess of two hours.
The White House has approved two non-health officials, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and White House economic adviser Peter Navarro, to appear on CNN within the past week. Pence’s office has not blacklisted any other network from bringing on administration officials.

“When you guys cover the briefings with the health officials, then you can expect them back on your air,” a Pence spokesperson told CNN.

Trump has conducted daily Coronavirus Task Force press briefings since late March, bringing in various department heads and experts in his administration to showcase how the government is working to slow the spread of the pathogen. During the briefings, he often gets into contentious exchanges with members of the press.

Trump touted the briefings’ ratings on in a pair of tweets on Wednesday, comparing the briefings to Monday Night Football and The Bachelor.

“The Radical Left Democrats have gone absolutely crazy that I am doing daily Presidential News Conferences. They actually want me to STOP! They used to complain that I am not doing enough of them, now they complain that I ‘shouldn’t be allowed to do them,’” Trump said.

“They tried to shame the Fake News Media into not covering them, but that effort failed because the ratings are through the roof according to, of all sources, the Failing New York Times, ‘Monday Night Football, Bachelor Finale’ type numbers (& sadly, they get it $FREE). Trump Derangement Syndrome!” the president added.
…the Fake News Media into not covering them, but that effort failed because the ratings are through the roof according to, of all sources, the Failing New York Times, “Monday Night Football, Bachelor Finale” type numbers (& sadly, they get it $FREE). Trump Derangement Syndrome!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 8, 2020

The media at large received mixed reviews on its handling of the coronavirus last month. A Gallup poll of 536 adults conducted between March 13-22 found that 44% of Americans approve of the media’s work, while 55% disapproved.

The Pew Research Center surveyed 11,537 adults in its American Trends Panel between March 19-24, finding that 54% of adults said the media has done an excellent or good job while 46% rated the media’s coverage as fair or poor.

Trump’s average approval rating has fallen about two points since a high of over 47% in late March in the early stages of the government’s coordinated response to the coronavirus pandemic. It now sits at 45.2%, according to Real Clear Politics.
 

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We hear you, and we understand your concern.
We hear you, and understand your perspective and perception of our proposed Digital Immunity Verification. From the minute the idea was conceived, it has been about enabling our freedom, not constricting it. We saw a way to leverage our existing technology to help businesses re-open and our economy get back to moving as soon as possible. Lifekey was developed in 2018 to enable access to emergency medical information when it’s needed most —

It is not our intention to mandate antibody testing, only to enable those with the COVID-19 antibody to be able to get back out there. With the antibody, we saw a way to let doctors, nurses and first responders to get peace of mind and perform at home health services again. And, to give volunteers a way to help those at high-risk with things like grocery shopping, delivering prescribed medications and more.

We don’t track data and again, we don’t want this to be a mandate of any sort. It was our hope that we could use technology to partially solve a problem that would enable us to get businesses back open and public places active again.

We’re a small startup and are not affiliated with any large organizations, government entities, groups or anyone other than our small team. We are not funded by any of those entities either. Please, give us the benefit of your understanding. We thought we were doing something positive and unfortunately, the narrative hasn’t always been clear. We welcome your ideas to help the economy get moving as quickly as possible.

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There has to be a way to make it both permanent and visible, say an implant on the wrist with some sort of tasteful mark. Hey why not tie it to a digital currency.

This is just the type of 2020 thinking that can drive us into an entirely new world. Probably help if this was globally accepted.
 

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Trump Forming Task Force To Reopen Economy; Key Members Named; Follows His ‘Good Idea’ Tweet
By James BarrettDailyWire.com

U.S. President Donald Trump speaks at the daily coronavirus task force briefing in the Brady Press Briefing Room at the White House on April 08, 2020 in Washington, DC. Trump vowed to hold back funding for the World Health Organization at the briefing, accusing the organization of having not been aggressive enough in confronting the virus, but later denied saying funding would be withheld, according to published reports. (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)
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On Saturday, President Donald Trump expressed his support for the idea of a second coronavirus task force charged specifically with laying out a plan for “the reopening of the economy” through the easing of coronavirus-related shutdowns and other social-distancing measures. According to officials, he’s now in the process of following up on the idea.

Trump first signaled that he was looking into the idea in response to a social media post from Fox News host Dana Perino. “I think we need a 2nd task force assembled at direction of POTUS to look ahead to reopening of the economy. Made up of a nonpartisan/bipartisan mix of experts across industry sectors, so that we have their recommendations [and] plan – let 1st taskforce focus on crisis at the moment,” Perino tweeted Saturday.

“Good idea Dana!” the president responded. He elaborated on the idea at a press conference later that day. “Thinking about it, getting a group of people and we have to open our country,” Trump told reporters. “You know, I had an expression, the cure can’t be worse than the problem itself. Right? I started by saying that and I continue to say it. The cure cannot be worse than the problem itself. We got to get our country open.”
Good idea Dana! Dana Perino on Twitter
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 4, 2020
On Wednesday, citing multiple unnamed administration officials, The Washington Post reported that Trump is “preparing to announce as soon as this week a second, smaller coronavirus task force aimed specifically at combating the economic ramifications of the virus and focused on reopening the nation’s economy, according to four people familiar with the plans.”

“The task force will be made up of a mix of private-sector and top administration officials, including chief of staff Mark Meadows — whose first official day on the job was last week — Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and national economic adviser Larry Kudlow, a senior administration official said,” the Post reports. “…The economic task force — which will be separate from the main coronavirus task force, despite having some overlapping members — will focus on how to reopen the country, as well as what businesses need to rebound amid catastrophic conditions. The goal is to get as much of the country as possible open by April 30, the current deadline Trump set for stringent social distancing measures.”

Two officials say that Meadows is likely to lead the task force. Another potential member is Kevin Hassett, Trump’s former chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers.

The preparation of the economy-focused task force comes amid three weeks of devastating, historic unemployment claims. On Thursday, the Department of Labor revealed that roughly 6.6 million Americans applied for unemployment last week, the second week in a row in which over 6 million Americans filled jobless claims. The Labor Department also revised last week’s report of 6.6 million weekly claims up to 6.8 million.

As The Daily Wire noted, “The new data is significantly higher than economists’ expectations, who predicted around 5 million lost jobs, according to The Wall Street Journal. For the past three weeks, more than 16 million people have filed for unemployment, largely due to coronavirus-related business closures.”
 

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Democrats Block McConnell’s Bid For Emergency Funds To Save Small Businesses
By Emily ZanottiDailyWire.com

WASHINGTON, DC - MARCH 19: U.S. Senate Majority Leader Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) walks into his office after he spoke on the Senate floor at the U.S. Capitol March 19, 2020 on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC. The Senate is back in session today as GOPs and Democrats work behind the scenes to produce “phase three” of the coronavirus response bill to combat the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic. (Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images)
Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images

Senate Democrats blocked an emergency measure designed to inject an additional $250 billion into a swiftly depleting fund to bolster Americans small businesses Thursday, telling Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) that they want “add-ons to help businesses in disadvantaged communities and additional funding for states and hospitals” in addition to the extra funding.

The news comes amid a Department of Labor report showing an astounding 10% of the American workforce has now applied for unemployment insurance and concerns that small businesses are rapidly running out of survival time, especially as most states have now extended coronavirus-related lockdowns until the end of April.

Originally, an emergency coronavirus relief measure, negotiated by the Senate, featured a $350 billion fund for small businesses, but demand has far exceeded supply, leaving Republicans begging Democrats to help pass an emergency cash infusion to save American entrepreneurs.

The measure is designed to expand the Paycheck Protection Act, which “helps businesses with under 500 employees apply for loans up to cover eight weeks of their payroll, benefit and rent expenses. The loans will be converted to grants and fully forgiven if 75% of the loan is used to keep employees on the payroll,” per Fox News.

The program is “on track to be depleted” by the end of this month.

“The extra funding is being sought amid concerns that the original $350 billion program to help businesses stay afloat during coronavirus pandemic could run dry in the near future in the face of an enormous demand,” Fox News reports. “McConnell pleaded with Democrats to pass a measure that would change the funding for the program from $350 billion to $600 billion total in a ‘clean’ emergency measure.”

Since the Senate is in recess and most Members are in their home districts, sheltering in place to avoid spreading the coronavirus, McConnell had hoped to get the measure passed with a small group of in-town Senators, and by unanimous consent.

Democrats likely sensed an opportunity to pass additional funding for pet projects. Unsurprisingly, they say their package will cost “double” what Republicans are asking.

“Democrats say they’ve got a better plan, and want additional provisions and protections to help businesses in disadvantaged communities,” Fox News adds. “Their proposal would cost roughly double the Republicans’ and include additional funding for hospitals and local governments.”

McConnell was left incensed.

“This does not have to be nor should it be contentious,” he said, adding that lawmakers who want greater handouts to “disadvantaged communities” can include that in the fourth coronavirus relief bill, currently being drafted by the House of Representatives.

“To my Democratic colleagues, please do not block emergency aid you do not even oppose just because you want something more,” he added. “The country cannot afford unnecessary wrangling or political maneuvering.”

Democrats contended that McConnell’s plan was a “stunt” and that, while the measure might have passed the Senate by unanimous consent, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) wasn’t about to allow it through the House without significant debate, particularly given that she has her own relief plan on the agenda for when Congress returns to work in three weeks.
 

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- Dozens of members of the ruling Saudi royal family, as many as 150, including at least one high-ranking royal, have been infected with the coronavirus in recent weeks.

Coronavirus widespread among Saudi royal family: Report
At least one high-ranking royal, as well as dozens of lower-level officials, have COVID-19, The New York Times reports.
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And here I was hoping it was every STD and infectious disease...

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My pathologist friend and his buds are talking about their observations on ventilation made by NY Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell, the paper on hemoglobin and various other topics refernced (3 part post)

These were his comments: The doctor is arguing that the usual pathophysiology of viral pneumonia, which leads to acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) is not present in COVID-19 viral attack. Rather this virus is causing anoxia, as if the patient were in a depressurized airplane or climbing on Mount Everest. This observation is fascinating since other viral pneumonias cause a secondary bacterial pneumonia, which kills the patient, the modus operandi for the Spanish flu, as well as influenza A and B. Others have suggested that COVID-19 seems to be worse in patients taking certain high blood pressure medicines. Thus the pathophysiology might involve a direct attack on the receptors on the cell membranes, resulting in a diminished ability of the cells to absorb and circulate oxygen throughout the body. Researchers might be looking at this phenomenon, but if not, they should be.

Here is an audio interview with Dr. Kyle-Sidell
COVID Clinical Discussion w/Cameron Kyle-Sidell: NYC ED/ICU doc in the trenches. #FOAMed 19:10 min

Here is a transcript of an interview with Dr. Kyle-Sidell
Do COVID-19 Vent Protocols Need a Second Look?
After treating patients with COVID-19, a New York city physician suggests ventilator protocols may need revisiting
John Whyte, MD, MPH; Cameron Kyle-Sidell, MD
April 06, 2020

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Do COVID-19 Vent Protocols Need a Second Look?

This transcript has been edited for clarity.
John Whyte, MD, MPH: Hello. I'm Dr John Whyte, chief medical officer at WebMD. Welcome to "Coronavirus in Context." Today we're going to talk about whether we're managing coronavirus correctly; do we need to think about a change in our treatment regiments? My guest is Dr Cameron Kyle-Sidell. He's a physician trained in emergency medicine and critical care, and he practices at Maimonides in Brooklyn, New York. Welcome, Dr Sidell.

Cameron Kyle-Sidell, MD: Thank you very much. Thank you for inviting me.

Whyte: You've been talking a lot about the number of patients, the percentage of patients dying on ventilators. When did you first notice this trend?

Kyle-Sidell: In preparation of opening what became a full COVID-positive intensive care unit, we scoured the data just to see what was out there—those who have experienced it before us, primarily the Chinese and the Italians; it was hard to find exactly, like the rate of what we call successful extubation—meaning, someone was put on a ventilator and taken off. And that data are still hard to find. I imagine there are a lot of people still on ventilators. But from the data we have available, it appears to be somewhere between 50% and 90%. Most published data puts it around 70%. So, that's a very, very high percentage in general, when one thinks of a medical disease.

Whyte: You've been talking on social media; you say you've seen things that you've never seen before. What are some of those things that you're seeing?

Kyle-Sidell: When I initially started treating patients, I was under the impression, as most people were, that I was going to be treating acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), similar in substance to AIDS, which I saw as a fellow. And as I start to treat these patients, I witnessed things that are just unusual. And I'm sure doctors around the country are experiencing this. In the past, we haven't seen patients who are talking in full sentences and not complaining of overt shortness of breath, with saturations in the high 70s. It's just not something we typically see when we're intubating some of these patients. That is to say, when we're putting a breathing tube in, they tend to drop their saturations very quickly; we see saturations going down to 20 to 30. Typically, one would expect some kind of reflexive response from the heart rate, which is to say that usually we see tachycardia, and if patients go too low, then we see bradycardia. These are things that we just weren't seeing. I've seen literally a saturation of zero on a monitor, which is not something we ever want and something we actively try to avoid. And yet we saw it, and many of my colleagues have similarly seen saturations of 10 and 20. We try to put breathing tubes in to avoid this very situation. Now, these patients tend to desaturate extremely quickly, so these situations have occurred. Still, what we're seeing—that there was no change in the heart rate—is just unusual. It's just something that we are not used to seeing.

Whyte: This is more like a high-altitude sickness. Is that right?

Kyle-Sidell: Yes. The patients in front of me are unlike any patients I've ever seen., and I've seen a great many patients and have treated many diseases. You get used to seeing certain patterns, and the patterns I was seeing did not make sense. This originally came to me when we had a patient who had hit what we call our trigger to put in a breathing tube, meaning she had displayed a level of hypoxia of low oxygen levels where we thought she would need a breathing tube. Most of the time, when patients hit that level of hypoxia, they're in distress and they can barely talk; they can't say complete sentences. She could do all of those and she did not want a breathing tube. So she asked that we put it in at the last minute possible. It was this perplexing clinical condition: When was I supposed to put the breathing tube in? When was the last minute possible? All the instincts as a physician—like looking to see if she tires out —none of those things occurred. It's extremely perplexing. But I came to realize that this condition is nothing I've ever seen before. And so I started to read to try to figure it out, leaving aside the exact mechanism of how this disease is causing havoc on the body, but instead trying to figure out what the clinical syndrome looked like.

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First British victim, 25, describes coronavirus

What it's REALLY like to catch coronavirus: First British victim, 25, describes how 'worst disease he ever had' left him sweating, shivering, and struggling to breathe as his eyes burned and bones ached
  • Connor Reed, 25, an expat teacher from North Wales, lives and works in Wuhan
  • In November, he became the first British man to catch the deadly coronavirus
  • Here he explains how he beat the illness that is sweeping across the globe
  • By CONNOR REED FOR THE DAILY MAIL

PUBLISHED: 17:08 EDT, 4 March 2020 | UPDATED: 14:07 EDT, 5 March 2020
Connor Reed, a 25-year-old expat from Llandudno in North Wales, has worked in a school in Wuhan, China, for almost a year. In November he became the first British man to catch the coronavirus. From coughs and aches to burning up and spending the night in hospital, here’s how he beat the illness that is sweeping the globe.

Day 1 — Monday November 25: I have a cold. I’m sneezing and my eyes are a bit bleary. It isn’t bad enough to keep me off work. I arrived in this country to teach English as a foreign language — but now I’m a manager at a school in Wuhan, the city in central China where I have lived for the past seven months.

I speak Mandarin well, and the job is interesting. My cold shouldn’t be very contagious, so I have no qualms about going to work. And I live alone, so I’m not likely to give it to anyone. There hasn’t been anything in the news here about viruses. I have no cause for concern. It’s just a sniffle.

Connor Reed, a 25-year-old expat teacher from North Wales, was the first British man to contract the killer virus in November last year, while working at a school in Wuhan, China


Connor Reed, a 25-year-old expat teacher from North Wales, was the first British man to contract the killer virus in November last year, while working at a school in Wuhan, China

Day 2: I have a sore throat. Remembering what my mum used to do when I was a child, I mix myself a mug of honey in hot water. It does the trick.

Day 3: I don’t smoke and I hardly ever drink. But it’s important to me to get over this cold quickly, so that I can stay healthy for work. For medicinal purposes only, I put a splash of whisky in my honey drink. I think it’s called a ‘hot toddy’.

Day 4: I slept like a baby last night. Chinese whisky is evidently a cure for all known ailments. I have another hot toddy in the evening.

Day 5: I’m over my cold. It really wasn’t anything.

Day 7: I spoke too soon. I feel dreadful. This is no longer just a cold. I ache all over, my head is thumping, my eyes are burning, my throat is constricted. The cold has travelled down to my chest and I have a hacking cough.

This is flu, and it’s going to take more than a mug of hot honey, with or without the magic whisky ingredient, to make me feel better.

The symptoms hit me this afternoon like a train and, unless there’s an overnight miracle, I will not be going to work tomorrow. It’s not just that I feel so ill — I really don’t want to give this flu to any of my colleagues.

Day 8: I won’t be in work today. I’ve warned them I’ll probably be off all week. Even my bones are aching. It’s hard to imagine I’m going to get over this soon.

Even getting out of bed hurts. I am propped up on pillows, watching TV and trying not to cough too much because it is painful.

Day 9: Even the kitten hanging around my apartment seems to be feeling under the weather. It isn’t its usual lively self, and when I put down food it doesn’t want to eat. I don’t blame it – I’ve lost my appetite too.

Day 10: I’m still running a temperature. I’ve finished the quarter-bottle of whisky, and I don’t feel well enough to go out and get any more. It doesn’t matter: I don’t think hot toddies were making much difference.

Day 11: Suddenly, I’m feeling better, physically at least. The flu has lifted. But the poor kitten has died. I don’t know whether it had what I’ve got, or whether cats can even get human flu. I feel miserable.

Day 12: I’ve had a relapse. Just as I thought the flu was getting better, it has come back with a vengeance. My breathing is laboured. Just getting up and going to the bathroom leaves me panting and exhausted. I’m sweating, burning up, dizzy and shivering. The television is on but I can’t make sense of it. This is a nightmare.

By the afternoon, I feel like I am suffocating. I have never been this ill in my life. I can’t take more than sips of air and, when I breathe out, my lungs sound like a paper bag being crumpled up. This isn’t right. I need to see a doctor. But if I call the emergency services, I’ll have to pay for the ambulance call-out myself.

That’s going to cost a fortune. I’m ill, but I don’t think I’m dying — am I?
Surely I can survive a taxi journey. I decide to go to Zhongnan University Hospital because there are plenty of foreign doctors there, studying. It isn’t rational but, in my feverish state, I want to see a British doctor. My Mandarin is pretty good, so I have no language problem when I call the taxi. It’s a 20-minute ride. As soon as I get there, a doctor diagnoses pneumonia. So that’s why my lungs are making that noise. I am sent for a battery of tests lasting six hours.

Day 13: I arrived back at my apartment late yesterday evening. The doctor prescribed antibiotics for the pneumonia but I’m reluctant to take them — I’m worried that my body will become resistant to the drugs and, if I ever get really ill and need them, they won’t work. I prefer to beat this with traditional remedies if I can.

It helps, simply knowing that this is pneumonia. I’m only 25 and generally healthy: I tell myself there’s no reason for alarm. I have some Tiger Balm. It’s like Vick’s vapour rub on steroids. I pour some into a bowl of hot water and sit with a towel over my head, inhaling the fumes. I’m going ‘old school’. And I’ve still got the antibiotics in reserve if I need them.

Day 14: Boil a kettle. Add Tiger Balm. Towel over head. Breathe for an hour. Repeat.

The government's battle plan has been divided into four stages – 'Contain', 'delay', 'research' and 'mitigate'

Day 15: All the days are now blurring into one.

Day 16: I phone my mother in Australia. There was no point in calling her before now — she’d only worry and try to jump on a plane. That wouldn’t work: it takes an age to get a visitor’s visa to China. I’m glad to hear her voice, even if I can’t do much more than croak, ‘Mum, I feel so ill.’

Day 17: I am feeling slightly better, but I don’t want to get my hopes up yet. I’ve been here before.

Day 18: My lungs no longer sound like bundles of broken twigs.

Day 19: I am well enough to stagger out of doors to get more Tiger Balm. My nose has cleared enough to smell what my neighbours are cooking, and I think I might have an appetite for the first time in nearly two weeks.

Day 22: I was hoping to be back at work today but no such luck. The pneumonia has gone — but now I ache as if I’ve been run over by a steamroller. My sinuses are agony, and my eardrums feel ready to pop. I know I shouldn’t but I’m massaging my inner ear with cotton buds, trying to take the pain away.

Day 24: Hallelujah! I think I’m better. Who knew flu could be as horrible as that, though?

Day 36: A tip-off from a friend sends me hurrying to the shops. Apparently, the Chinese officials are concerned about a new virus that is taking hold in the city. There are rumours about a curfew or travel restrictions. I know what this will mean — panic buying in the shops. I need to stock up on essentials before everyone else does.

Day 37: The rumours were right. Everyone is being told to stay indoors. From what I’ve heard, the virus is like a nasty dose of flu that can cause pneumonia. Well, that sounds familiar.

Day 52: A notification from the hospital informs me that I was infected with the Wuhan coronavirus. I suppose I should be pleased that I can’t catch it again — I’m immune now.

However, I must still wear my face mask like everyone else if I leave the apartment, or risk arrest. The Chinese authorities are being very thorough about trying to contain the virus.

Day 67: The whole world has now heard about coronavirus. I’ve told a few friends about it, via Facebook, and somehow the news got out to the media.

My local paper back in Llandudno, North Wales, has been in touch with me. Maybe I caught the coronavirus at the fish market.

It’s a great place to get food on a budget, a part of the real Wuhan that ordinary Chinese people use every day, and I regularly do my shopping there.

Since the outbreak became international news, I’ve seen hysterical reports (especially in the U.S. media) that exotic meats such as bat and even koala are on sale at the fish market. I’ve never seen that.

The only slightly weird sight I’ve seen is the whole pig and lamb carcasses for sale, with their heads on.

Day 72 — Tuesday, February 4: It seems the newspapers think it’s terrific that I tried to cure myself with hot toddies.

I attempt to explain that I had no idea at the time what was wrong with me — but that isn’t what they want to hear.

The headline in the New York Post says, ‘UK teacher claims he beat coronavirus with hot whisky and honey.’

I wish it had been that easy.
 

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Proposal forces insurance industry to cover massive coronavirus losses

Plan would treat the COVID-19 pandemic like an act of terrorism

  • By Dave Boyer - The Washington Times
    Sunday, April 5, 2020
Pressure has been building on the insurance industry to reimburse companies big and small for their losses after a proposal began circulating in Congress that would treat the COVID-19 pandemic like an act of terrorism for insurance purposes.

The Pandemic Risk Insurance Act would require insurers to cover business losses resulting from pandemics. The federal government would serve as a backstop for insurance companies. Some are arguing that the coverage should be offered to companies retroactively as a solution to the massive losses hitting nearly all sectors of the economy during the outbreak.

“If they don’t do this, we’re in very, very big trouble,” said Zachary Finn, director of the risk management program at Butler University. “Business interruption spreads through the economy like a contagion. What’s happening is Congress can’t bail us out fast enough.”

Mr. Finn drafted a proposal for Congress based on a project created by four of his former students to address business losses from a theoretical cyberattack. The measure is modeled on the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act of 2002.

The proposal has the backing of House Financial Services Committee Chairwoman Maxine Waters, California Democrat.

“The circumstances we are facing are unprecedented and will require creative approaches,” she said as House Democrats consider a fourth economic rescue package. “America’s consumers, small businesses and vulnerable populations are suffering. It is time for a policy and fiscal response to address their needs.”

House Republican leaders are hesitant. They say it’s more important to deliver aid to businesses and workers from the just-approved $2.2 trillion “phase three” rescue plan.

“We aren’t involved in any talks along those lines and wouldn’t support retroactively amending [insurance] contracts like some are suggesting,” said a House Republican leadership aide. “We are focused on getting firms support through the mechanisms established in the CARES Act.”

President Trump, asked last week whether insurance companies would be compensated for “extraordinary expenses” incurred during the pandemic, said the administration is talking with insurers. He noted that two major health care insurers have agreed to waive patient co-pays for treatment of COVID-19.

“That’s a lot of money they gave up,” Mr. Trump said. “But we’re discussing that with the insurance companies.”

A coalition of 36 insurance and business trade groups called on the administration and Congress last week to create a recovery fund to supplement the $2.2 trillion economic rescue package, which is providing aid to distressed companies and laid-off workers.

“Without broad-based and expeditious federal action, long-term damage to the financial markets, rampant unemployment, and irreparable harm to communities are almost certain,” the groups wrote. “Although the loan programs instituted by the CARES Act provide a down payment on economic support for Main Street businesses, additional liquidity will be required for impaired industries and businesses to avoid an unprecedented systemic, economic crisis.”

They are proposing another program “funded by the federal government and under the authority of a special federal administrator with the ability to enter into contracts with interested businesses to administer the ‘Recovery Fund’ and facilitate the distribution of federal funds and liquidity to impacted businesses and their employees.”

John Q. Doyle, president and CEO of the global insurance and risk management firm Marsh & McLennan, wrote to congressional leaders, Treasury Secretary Steven T. Mnuchin and White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow last week to propose a “pandemic risk insurance program” to accelerate the recovery and protect against another pandemic.

“The stakes for businesses, their employees and the economy are simply too high to defer action in addressing pandemic risk exposure,” Mr. Doyle wrote. “The time is now to structure a public-private partnership with input from policyholders, insurers and the federal government.”

Under his proposed plan, “policyholders would absorb initial losses up to specified deductibles.”

“Insurers would then provide business interruption coverage between that threshold and a higher limit,” Mr. Doyle wrote. “The federal government would then backstop the overall program by bearing a portion of the damages above a certain level. Naturally, the precise contours of the program, including trigger points and limits, will need to be developed in close collaboration with these stakeholders and the federal government.”

He said the insurance industry can’t cover the massive crisis on its own.
“Given the magnitude of the COVID-19 exposure and current capital levels in the industry, the private insurance sector does not have the risk bearing capacity alone to manage this peril across the U.S. economy,” Mr. Doyle said. “There are certain risks, like terrorism, that require the full weight of the United States government to manage in partnership with the insurance industry.”

Insurers are fighting the House proposal. The vast majority of property and casualty insurance policies don’t cover losses caused by contagion or losses stemming from government orders for business shutdowns.

“Business income loss from a virus, bacterium or other micro-organism is generally not covered,” said Patrick Shea, co-founder of Tower Program Insurance in Austin, Texas. “If the government shuts your business down, most policies don’t cover it. I don’t see Zurich and AIG and Lexington and all those big carriers saying that they have some vulnerability to pay some of these claims on these big casinos and hotels.”

Lawsuits against insurers already have been filed. The Oceana Grill restaurant in New Orleans filed the first lawsuit late last month over business interruption coverage. It asked a state court to rule that its all-risks policy from Lloyd’s of London should cover its losses if local authorities shut down the establishment.
The New Jersey General Assembly late last month was advancing a measure to authorize coverage retroactively in insurance policies for businesses with fewer than 100 employees. Legislators tabled the proposal after insurance trade groups agreed to devise a voluntary approach to help small-business policyholders cover their losses.

A bipartisan group of 18 House lawmakers asked four major insurance trade associations on March 18 to retroactively recognize financial losses for policyholders relating to COVID-19 under commercial business interruption coverage. The group comprised six Republicans and 12 Democrats.

“During times of crisis, we must all work together,” the lawmakers wrote. They said civil authorities’ shelter-in-place orders should enable businesses to receive compensation from insurers.

“In many commercial property insurance policies, business interruption coverage is triggered when the policyholder sustains ‘direct physical loss of or damage to’ insured property,” their letter stated. “In addition, many commercial property insurance policies provide coverage for business income losses sustained when a civil authority prohibits or impairs access to the policyholder’s premises.”

The insurance trade groups rejected the lawmakers’ request in a letter to Rep. Nydia Velazquez, New York Democrat and chairwoman of the House Small Business Committee.

“Business interruption policies do not, and were not designed to, provide coverage against communicable diseases such as COVID-19,” wrote David Sampson, president and CEO of the American Property Casualty Insurance Association; Charles Chamness, president and CEO of the National Association of Mutual Insurance Companies; Bob Rusbuldt, president and CEO of the Independent Insurance Agents & Brokers of America, and Ken Crerar, president and CEO of the Council of Insurance Agents & Brokers.

They said the U.S. insurance industry “remains committed to our consumers and will ensure that prompt payments are made in instances where coverage exists.”

“We recognize the extraordinary challenges our country is facing — our member businesses, our employees, and our families are confronting the same trials,” the trade groups’ letter said. “The U.S. is in the midst of a national crisis that will require federal assistance that provides funding directly to those American individuals and businesses most in need. Our organizations stand ready to work with Congress on solutions that provide the necessary relief as soon as possible.”

But the Risk and Insurance Management Society of New York said it was encouraged by what it called growing momentum for a federal backstop.
“It is encouraging to hear that the federal government recognizes the important role insurance and risk management can have in assisting the countless businesses that have been affected by COVID-19,” Whitney Craig, the group’s director of government affairs, told the publication Business Insurance. “RIMS has already reached out to congressional leaders, offering our support as they attempt to develop a strategy to address the impact of this global pandemic.”

Mr. Finn said he has been working with Ms. Craig to advance his proposal in Congress, and he thinks it will be approved.

“The program would pay exactly as it would have paid if terrorism was the cause,” Mr. Finn said in an interview. “That gives certainty to the market because [the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act is] already there, so it’s stood the test of time politically. I would argue it will save more money in litigation than [insurance companies] would pay, and I would also argue that this is good for their business in the long term.”

Copyright © 2020 The Washington Times, LLC.
A bio weapon is an act of war....wrapped in terrorism......how's the insurance play out, pay out, in that? The litigation is a done deal, why pay more.....unless you can put it off for a time, time and half a time.........
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
Part 3 of 3

The dark side of ventilators: Those hooked up for long periods face difficult recoveries

Although the machines can mean the difference between life or death, they often cause other complications.
Medical staff, wearing protective suits and face masks, work at the intensive care unit for coronavirus disease patients at Ambroise Pare clinic in Neuilly-sur-Seine, near Paris. (Benoit Tessier/Reuters)
Medical staff, wearing protective suits and face masks, work at the intensive care unit for coronavirus disease patients at Ambroise Pare clinic in Neuilly-sur-Seine, near Paris. (Benoit Tessier/Reuters)
By
Carolyn Y. Johnson and
Ariana Eunjung Cha
April 6, 2020 at 10:25 a.m. PDT

For people desperately ill with covid-19, getting hooked up to a mechanical ventilator can mean the difference between life and death. But despite officials’ frantic efforts to secure more of the machines, they are not a magic bullet.
Many attached to the scarce machines will not make it out of the hospital. Data from China, Italy and the U.S. suggest that about half of those with covid-19 who receive ventilator support will die.

“They’re called life support for a reason — they just keep people alive while typically buying time for something else to heal the lungs,” said Scott Halpern, a bioethicist at the University of Pennsylvania. But with covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, “we don’t have a treatment for the underlying insult.”

For those who manage to defeat the virus and come off ventilators, the really hard part begins. Many will suffer long-term physical, mental and emotional issues, according to a staggering body of medical and scientific studies. Even a year after leaving the intensive care unit, many people experience post-traumatic stress disorder, Alzheimer’s-like cognitive deficits, depression, lost jobs and problems with daily activities such as bathing and eating.
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“I think what we’re going to see is a wave, about six weeks after the initial illness,” said Samuel Brown, director of the Center for Humanizing Critical Care at Intermountain Healthcare in Utah. “One to three weeks to get off the ventilator, and a couple of weeks to get their sea legs back to get home — and then to finally realize: What happened? What did I just survive? And how desperately frightening that experience was for a wave of survivors who are going to have really difficult psychological symptoms.”

Although the vast majority of people with covid-19 experience mild cases of infection, about one in six known cases develop severe shortness of breath. About half of those become critically ill, as people’s damaged lungs fill with fluid, staying alive only with the help of a mechanical ventilator, according to evolving data.

By the end of the pandemic, hundreds of thousands of Americans who have survived severe cases of covid-19 are likely to seed the next health-care crisis as many struggle with the physical and psychological effects of long hospital stays, say epidemiologists.

Patients with covid-19 typically stay on ventilators for prolonged periods which increases the likelihood of long-term complications. The risk of infection also means they are cut off from human contact, which also increases the risk of psychological issues.

“We normally kneel at their bedside and hold their hand and ask them, ‘How are you’ and tell them, ‘It is my privilege to help you.’ Instead what they are getting is someone in spacesuit garb with very little time to spend with them,” said E. Wesley Ely, a professor at Vanderbilt University in Nashville.

He recounted how a medical resident recently came to him in tears.
“I don’t feel like I’m a doctor,” the resident told Ely. “The first time I really sat with that patient was to pronounce him dead.”

Nic Brown scribbled this message to health-care workers at Cleveland Clinic who cared for him while he was hospitalized for covid-19: “I think you are all rock stars. … Today I leave this ICU a changed person, hopefully for the better.
Nic Brown scribbled this message to health-care workers at Cleveland Clinic who cared for him while he was hospitalized for covid-19: “I think you are all rock stars. … Today I leave this ICU a changed person, hopefully for the better." (Courtesy Cleveland Clinic)

ICU Survivors
The ranks of covid-19 survivors are just beginning to expand in the United States, but acute respiratory distress syndrome — the lung failure that kills patients — is also caused by other infections, giving doctors a deep reservoir of knowledge about what happens to such people after they leave the hospital.

Each year, there are about 200,000 people with acute respiratory distress in the United States, and about 60 percent of them live. Many of these survivors have been watching the unfolding pandemic in the United States with an unsettling sense of foresight and empathy.

A common complication of prolonged stays in intensive care units is something called “ICU delirium,” in which patients become severely confused and may have nightmarish hallucinations — which could be worse if people never see their caregivers’ faces and don’t have family there to help them understand what really happened.

Nic Brown, a 38-year-old information technology manager, spent 18 days at the hospital — seven on a ventilator. He was Cleveland Clinic’s first covid-19 patient and said he has more memories of the ICU than he cares to remember.

“I had these horrible dreams and it was night after night of torment,” he said in an interview. “There was a point I wanted to ask them to pull the plug. I couldn’t do it.”

Brown was lucky. His condition improved after doctors treated him with a variety of experimental medications, and he was discharged last week. His lungs are still struggling to recover, and when he does ordinary things like stand up to check his computer printer, he gets winded. He also said he’s experienced some vision issues and, earlier on, confusion. He would write something down, but it wouldn’t match the message he intended to convey.

“When you typically get out of the ICU at the hospital, you get all this support like physical therapy and speech therapy but when you are a covid-19 patient, you get none of that,” he said.

With the risk of infection and social distancing orders in place, doctors say, many rehabilitation services have not been accepting patients recovering from the virus.
Michelle and Ken Bryden of Ellicott City, Md. A year ago, Michelle Bryden spent four days on a ventilator because of acute respiratory distress syndrome, which also occurs in covid-19. (Courtesy of Michelle Bryden)
Michelle and Ken Bryden of Ellicott City, Md. A year ago, Michelle Bryden spent four days on a ventilator because of acute respiratory distress syndrome, which also occurs in covid-19. (Courtesy of Michelle Bryden)

Michelle Bryden, a 49-year-old engineer from Ellicott City, Md., was able to take advantage of that kind of support after her hospitalization for bacterial meningitis and sepsis left her on a ventilator for four days. She has been thinking about people recovering from covid-19 as she approaches the first anniversary of her hospitalization, imagining what her path through the medical system would have been like if she had been alone.

Bryden’s husband, Ken, was with her constantly in the hospital and has helped her fill in the gaps in her memory from when she was sedated and had no idea what was happening. But when he left the hospital to shower or sleep, the isolation was difficult, even though she knew he would soon return.

“Having him there was important, and I think not having visitors in the hospital would be so hard,” Bryden recalled. “I found the nights to be very scary.”
Eileen Rubin, now 57, who spent eight weeks on a ventilator due to acute respiratory distress syndrome caused by sepsis when she was 33, said that she isn’t sure she would have survived without her family’s presence and support.

“I cry for them [covid-19 patients], really, because they don’t have that support that is really so significant and meaningful, and there’s no way to change that,” Rubin said. “It’s a feeling you have that you carry with you. … You know somebody is fighting for you when you can’t fight for yourself.”

Health-care teams are finding ways to alleviate patients’ isolation, knowing that even small changes could mean the difference between a person who survives and one who is better-equipped to recover. Some health-care workers have put their photos in patients’ rooms so that when they come in covered in a mask and gown, they can point to the photo and say, “I’m that person.”

Others are communicating with telehealth apps from inside the hospital, so that they can at least have some face-to-face interactions, albeit on screen. Still others have used their private cellphones covered in zip-top bags to bring family members to the bedside with video chat. The Mayo Clinic recently brought up video chat on iPads to make sure that patients can see their families as they fight the virus alone.

Psychological risks
Even when people survive the illness, they will likely reenter a world where much of their support network simply can’t give them a hug due to social distancing guidelines — and where fear of contagion could create stigma, too.
“I think that’s a dynamic you can’t overemphasize — that it is always bad to be in the ICU, but it’s probably doubly bad to be in the ICU during a pandemic, because of the anxiety that is just fomenting,” said James Jackson, a psychologist at Vanderbilt University. “It’s in the air, if you will. And that all adds to the psychological burden.”

Just as combat veterans may not want to ever return to the battlefield, people who recover from critical illness may not even want to drive by the hospital, Jackson said — and that means that post-traumatic stress disorder could compound other medical problems, impeding people’s ability to seek the medical support they need.

How ventilators work and why we need them to fight covid-19

Coronavirus may cause a shortage of ventilators, and U.S. health-care workers are worried there won't be enough of them to serve covid-19 patients. (Daron Taylor/The Washington Post)

Centers to support ICU survivors are not at every hospital, and delivering additional care for a person’s physical, cognitive and mental health during a pandemic will be harder. Recovery may also be affected by the absence of family members in the hospital, as people trying to support their loved one may have little idea what they experienced.

“So now you have the family member who survived, and they’ve been through war. But no one really knows what that war experience was like,” said Michael Wilson, a pulmonary intensive care unit physician at Mayo Clinic.

It’s at home, after the first few weeks of convalescence, when people begin to try to bathe themselves or feed themselves that most people begin to grapple with limitations they may not have recognized in the hospital. They begin to reconstruct the lost time, piecing together fragments of memories. People may feel depressed as they realize that they have left the hospital — only to navigate a new set of problems that often last six months to a year.

“When someone is critically ill and so sick they require life support, such as a mechanical ventilator, most patients do not return to that former state when the life support is discontinued — particularly in the context of covid” where they may be on ventilators for long periods, said Dale Needham, professor of pulmonary and critical care medicine at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.

Bryden, for example, knows that she’s considered to be a “good” recovery case and is glad, because she’s not sure she could have handled worse. She lost 20 pounds of muscle. She had to learn how to get out of bed and use a walker, although she had once exercised every morning. She was cleared to eat food, but she tried eating rice, and the simple act of coordinating the movement of her mouth to chew and push food into her throat was impossible at first.

Bryden was able to return to work in six weeks, walking with a cane, and by six months, she says, she began to feel like herself.

“I would just emphasize that it is hard, and the fact you’ve gotten out of the ICU or the hospital is really only half the battle,” Bryden said, of the advice she would give people recovering from the worst cases of covid-19. “From the patient perspective, it was harder after I got out.”
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
This is my take the COVID 19 virus spread prodigiously prior to any lockdowns and probably equally so during lockdowns, it is very contagious and even during lockdowns there is considerable contact between people. IMO there is already considerable infection within the population which does not mean we're all going to die, just that we were all infected earlier than normally thought.
There were reports of a strange illness in Wuhan in September.......likely the initial release...then by December it had saturated the general population. By February that cat was out of the bag.....so, five months give or take.

I'd think the spread from Wuhan took off in December or so....there September. Do the math. We are roughly three months behind them... which makes May a bitch...... It's all about the cycle we are in....or is coming.
 

Quiet Man

Nothing unreal exists
WARNING: Hard to read and no happy ending. Stark reality presented...



International Forecaster Weekly

Bioweapon

Which one is worse? The possibility of getting a virus that could kill you, especially if you have comorbidities, or … have your life savings wiped out, your home foreclosed, your car repossessed, your kids college dreams crushed, and living on welfare?


Bob Rinear | April 8, 2020

Everyone’s life is upside down right now. Life as we were accustomed, is grotesquely distorted. Tuesday it was my younger son’s time to run into the effects of this Corona virus lock down. He was laid off from his job.

He worked in an Infinity car dealership, as a budding technician. He really enjoyed his job. But, instead of servicing 30 – 40 cars a day, they’re down to 7. 8. So, they had to make some cuts. He understands it. He was surprised they kept him on last week as the numbers dwindled.

This is being played out in not hundreds or thousands, but MILLIONS of families across our nation. Every day that this shut down goes on, more stories like my son will continue to emerge.

So, many people are questioning the push for this extended shut down, when the seasonal flu kills so many people every year. It’s a good question, because in any normal year, the flu kills between 30 and 60 thousand people. If we don’t shut down the entire nation over that, why such a response to this?

There’s a lot of theories. One of course is that the globalists ordered the world to be shut down, to crash economies, and have so many more people totally dependent on Government. Then there’s those who believe that the virus was released to scare the hell out of everyone, and then those very people that let it loose, will make trillions off of the “mandatory” vaccine they’ll certainly introduce. Then of course here in the states, there’s no shortage of people who think that the left ( including our traitorous main stream media) wants the economy to crash, so they can blame it all on Trump.

I don’t have an issue believing any or all of those theories. But I do think that there’s a twist to this situation. This is NOT the flu. This was an engineered bioweapon. Don’t roll your eyes, don’t think it’s conspiracy. The conspiracy was them trying to have us believe some old hag eating bat soup was the start of this. If you happen to catch the “bad” version of this bug, your life is most seriously in danger. You’re going to be sicker than you ever have, and in the worst cases you will suffocate in agony and die.

That is why this shut down is such a conundrum. This bug was designed years and years ago. It shares many attributes of SARS. But with previous bioweapons like SARS, or MERS or even Ebola, they couldn’t make it contagious enough. This puppy is a different animal.

Remember back in the early reporting of this bug, some researchers said they discovered what appeared to be HIV virus encoded into it? I mentioned it in one or two of my letters. Anyway, those reports were very quickly yanked, and any of the ones you do find, are labeled “retracted.” But, when the entire world is sick, there’s hundreds of thousands of researchers, trying to figure this thing out. What they’re finding is scary.

Here is the original abstract.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.full.pdf

If you read it you come away stunned. They found 4 insertions in this virus that exist in NO OTHER Corona virus. Let just post their conclusion:

Conclusions

Our analysis of the spike glycoprotein of 2019-nCoV revealed several interesting findings: First, we identified 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike glycoprotein that are not present in any other coronavirus reported till date. To our surprise, all the 4 inserts in the 2019-nCoV mapped to the short segments of amino acids in the HIV-1 gp120 and Gag among all annotated virus proteins in the NCBI database.

This uncanny similarity of novel inserts in the 2019- nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag is unlikely to be fortuitous. Further, 3D modelling suggests that atleast 3 of the unique inserts which are non-contiguous in the primary protein sequence of the 2019-nCoV spike glycoprotein converge to constitute the key components of the receptor binding site.

Of note, all the 4 inserts have pI values of around 10 that may facilitate virus-host interactions. Taken together, our findings suggest unconventional evolution of 2019-nCoV that warrants further investigation.

You’ve heard that the damned thing can incubate inside you for up to two weeks, and you have NO symptoms. Yet during that time, you can infect other people. Then, when it “hits” you, it’s FAST. Why does it hit so hard and so fast? Because your body didn’t know it was infected. It was undetected by your immune system, while all the time the virus was infecting your cells and replicating.

The key here is that “layer” around the corona virus. This virus was designed to create a covering layer around the “spikes” of the virus. Your immune system has seen corona viruses a million times. The common cold is a corona virus. All it needs to do is discover these things with spikes on it floating in your system, and it goes to work trying to kill it.

This virus however, has a twist to it. It creates a layer, very very similar to the HIV protein that envelopes that disease. Your immune system doesn’t recognize it as an invading virus. By the time it finally discovers that there’s something terribly strange going on at the cellular level, the virus has replicated millions of times. You’re overwhelmed.

Which brings us back to this shutdown. What’s the right thing to do here? If the shutdown continues for months, the consequences will be horrific. Destitute people, maybe no food, dying of unrelated health issues, no work, debts piling up, utilities shut off, and on and on.

Yet every day the amount of people found with the infection rises. Every day the death toll climbs. We don’t really have any clue as to how many people have this, but show no symptoms. So people are torn over this. No one wants to get this thing, but no one wants to be destitute. They need to go to work, but they know that they could get sick.

So they’re going to clamor for a vaccine. Could it be that was the key to this entire thing? It could. And, if you remember I wrote about ID 2020, and even one of the past Fed heads are saying that people should wear “badges” to prove they’ve been vaccinated.

A vaccine is coming, no doubt. But can we wait that long? How much damage will there be by then? So we’re in a helluva pickle here. If Trump just threw the switch and said “Everyone’s open, get back to business” you know he’d be blamed for “genocide” and they’d remove him as being mentally deficient. But if he keeps pushing it out, like NJ just did Tuesday, more and more lives are going to be wrecked.

Which one is worse? The possibility of getting a virus that could kill you, especially if you have comorbidities, or … have your life savings wiped out, your home foreclosed, your car repossessed, your kids college dreams crushed, and living on welfare?

There’s no good answer to this folks. Each one has dire consequences. I personally think that keeping distances, wearing masks, and obsessive hand washing, should allow for incremental opening. ESPECIALLY because we know the Chloroquine/Zpak works. I consider that to be the game changer. The positive results that have been reported by doctors using it, is huge. And on top of that, they’re only giving it to people that are on their death bed. Imagine being able to get it prophylacticly, or at the very first signs of infection. The death rate could plummet to zero.

We’re living in very strange times, and some things will never be the same. It sounds cliché, but it’s not. It’s the real deal. I wish it weren’t so.
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Re the videos at the bottom of post #43,157, these are MUST WATCH videos. This doctor is the first I’ve heard from the US/NY asking whether covid19 is a lung disease with blood issues or a blood disease with lung issues.

Ragnarok and others have posted about this being a blood disease. Sounds like they may be right.

I’m really grateful to doctors who are making videos and trying to get the word out like this.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
This is another paper the pathologist and buds were discussing. They referred to it as the "Italian paper"


Covid-19 Does Not Lead to a “Typical” Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome Luciano Gattinoni1 , Silvia Coppola2 , Massimo Cressoni3 , Mattia Busana1 , Sandra Rossi4 , Davide Chiumello2 1Department of Anesthesiology and Intensive Care Medicine, Medical University of Göttingen 2Department of Anesthesiology and Critical Care, San Paolo Hospital, University of Milan 3Department of Radiology, San Gerardo Hospital, University of Milan-Bicocca, 4Department of Anesthesia and Intensive Care, University Hospital, Parma Correspondence: gattinoniluciano@gmail.com Page 1 of 5 AJRCCM Articles in Press. Published March 30, 2020 as 10.1164/rccm.202003-0817LE American Thoracic Society

Dear Editor,

In northern Italy an overwhelming number of patients with Covid-19 pneumonia and acute respiratory failure have been admitted to our Intensive Care Units. Attention is primarily focused on increasing the number of beds, ventilators and intensivists brought to bear on the problem, while the clinical approach to these patients is the one typically applied to severe ARDS, namely high Positive End Expiratory Pressure (PEEP) and prone positioning.

However, the patients with Covid-19 pneumonia, fulfilling the Berlin criteria of ARDS, present an atypical form of the syndrome. Indeed, the primary characteristics we are observing (confirmed by colleagues in other hospitals), is the dissociation between their relatively well preserved lung mechanics and the severity of hypoxemia.

As shown in our first 16 patients (Figure 1), the respiratory system compliance of 50.2 ± 14.3 ml/cmH2O is associated with shunt fraction of 0.50 ± 0.11. Such a wide discrepancy is virtually never seen in most forms of ARDS. Relatively high compliance indicates well preserved lung gas volume in this patient cohort, in sharp contrast to expectations for severe ARDS.

A possible explanation for such severe hypoxemia occurring in compliant lungs is the loss of lung perfusion regulation and hypoxic vasoconstriction. Actually, in ARDS, the ratio between the shunt fraction to the fraction of gasless tissue is highly variable, with mean 1.25 ± 0.80(1). In eight of our patients with CT scan, however, we measured a ratio of 3.0 ± 2.1, suggesting remarkable hyperperfusion of gasless tissue.

If so, the oxygenation increases with high PEEP and/or prone position are not primarily due to recruitment, the usual mechanism in ARDS(2), but instead, in these patients with a poorly recruitable pneumonia(3), to the redistribution of perfusion in response to pressure and/or gravitational forces.

We should consider that: 1. Patients treated with Continuous Positive Airway Pressure or Non Invasive Ventilation, presenting with clinical signs of excessive inspiratory efforts, intubation should be prioritized to avoid excessive intrathoracic negative pressures and self-inflicted lung injury(4).

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High PEEP in a poorly recruitable lung tends to result in severe hemodynamic impairment and fluid retention; 3. Prone positioning of patients with relatively high compliance results in a modest benefit at the price of a high demand for stressed human resources. After considering that, all we can do ventilating these patients is “buying time” with minimum additional damage: the lowest possible PEEP and gentle ventilation. We need to be patient.

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Steve308

Contributing Member
its getting nutty, or maybe the zombies are starting to hatch. must be city folk.

Colorado Department of Public Health & Environment


The howling you heard last night? It wasn’t coyotes. Communities across CO have started howling at 8 p.m. each night to connect with one another while staying home, and show solidarity for health care workers and first responders during the pandemic. http://ow.ly/QlSq50z9pdt

Not just big city folk, though it started in Denver. It going on even in my small town. Its normally so quiet around here in the evening that I can distinctly hear people howling. The dogs love it, they run outside and bark/howl back at them The whole idea seems kind of stupid, but if it helps someone not feel so alone, I guess it's performing a useful function.

Steve308
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Our county just issued a requirement for individuals or companies/businesses holding more than X (X varies with the item) of certain items to disclose that fact. Items include N95 masks, surgical masks, vinyl or nitrile gloves, eye goggles, face shields, and on and on, down to/including ventilators. Most of those items X varies from 500-5000, but if you have even 1 ventilator, you are required to disclose that. (The only people I can think of who would have ventilators would be veterinarians, and I recall reading an article yesterday about some vet clinic giving up their ventilator to a hospital.)

What is a little disconcerting is the hint that these items may be necessary for a potential surge, yet I think that our state is supposed to peak in about a week, so how much of a surge are they expecting? Supposedly nobody is required to donate anything, yet on the other hand this "one time only" inventory is to assess what is "available" in the county, which suggests to me that mandatory "donations" may be in the offing.

FYI, possibly coming soon to a county near you.

Kiss my ass...
 

bsharp

Veteran Member
There has to be a way to make it both permanent and visible, say an implant on the wrist with some sort of tasteful mark. Hey why not tie it to a digital currency.

This is just the type of 2020 thinking that can drive us into an entirely new world. Probably help if this was globally accepted.
My smallpox vaccine scar is permanent and visible. Not very tasteful though.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
I am a little.concerned about everyone that is pushing for a vaccine. I am thinking follow the money.

What political agenda is being filled or who is getting rich like a vaccine maker? Who has already run simulations a year ago and has invested heavily in vaccine technology?

I do not trust the WHO organization. I do not trust him he UN. I do not trust the CCP. I do not trust people.associated with charitable foundations when the foundation gives only small percentage of contributions to help those it was created to help.

I do not trust anyone with TDS as they would betray the.country to get rid of one political opponent.

I do not trust anyone backing and voting for people that have TDS, guilt by association.



The Elites are Already Prepared for the Coming Dollar Crash
The collapse of the dollar along with the pandemic opens the door to implementation of a cashless society, a goal long desired by the elites. Even now, there are bills being presented in the Senate which call for a digital dollar and digital wallet policy to be instituted in the U.S.
The Elites Are Already Prepared For The Coming Collapse Of The Dollar Bubble

The Fed Explores Possibility of Digital Dollar
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Digital Dollar and Digital Wallet Bill Hits U.S. Senate
Digital Dollar And Digital Wallet Bill Surfaces In The U.S. Senate

ID2020 Certification Mark: The Call for Global ID
ID2020 Certification Mark: The Global Call for a Digital ID | Harbingers Daily

ID2020 and Partners Launch Program to Provide Digital ID With Vaccines
ID2020: Digital ID With Vaccines | VIANO'S BITS OF EVERYTHING

Price Waterhouse is all for ID2020 to forcibly install digital chips into all of us
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5P0J-eXUek&feature=emb_title
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment

First round of coronavirus stimulus checks on the way

by: Alexa Mae Asperin
Posted: Apr 9, 2020 / 04:46 AM PDT / Updated: Apr 9, 2020 / 07:29 AM PDT

SAN FRANCISCO (KRON) – The first wave of Americans will receive stimulus payouts starting today, according to an internal plan circulated by IRS Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, The Washington Post reports.

Those who will be receiving this first round of payouts are those who have already given their bank account information to the IRS as well as Social Security beneficiaries who filed a federal tax return with direct deposit information.

The next phase of checks will be paid no later than the week of April 20, the Post reports.

The third and final round of payouts will be paid through checks and will be mailed at a date that is yet to be determined.

According to the Post, the groups of checks that will be mailed over the next several weeks could take until May or August to reach recipients.

The IRS says the best way to make sure you receive your money quickly is to make sure the IRS has your bank account information on file, since a direct deposition option will reach you more quickly than a paper check.
 

Big Sarge

Old School
:shk: I've noticed while watching the evening/nightly snooze, it appears to me that the media is rapidly portraying this pandemic in the US as a racial issue and more and more politicos are jumping on the bandwagon. I'm very confident that COVID isn't racist. The virus is statistically affecting folks that have other health probs like being overweight, diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. It just happens to be that alot of black / brown folk have those health issues and are getting sick with the virus. Its the same with white folk too. And Asians and pretty much everyone else. They are just comparing numbers and picking out the stuff they WANT to see and ignore all the other variables. The whole thing makes me :gaah::bhd:
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked

With ventilators running out, doctors say the machines are overused for Covid-19
By SHARON BEGLEY
APRIL 8, 2020
  • Bloom Energy Ventilators
A fuel cell stack testing engineer tests ventilator oxygen at Bloom Energy in Sunnyvale, Calif. The company has switched over to refurbishing ventilators as an increasing number of patients experience respiratory issues as a result of Covid-19

"Even as hospitals and governors raise the alarm about a shortage of ventilators, some critical care physicians are questioning the widespread use of the breathing machines for Covid-19 patients, saying that large numbers of patients could instead be treated with less intensive respiratory support.

If the iconoclasts are right, putting coronavirus patients on ventilators could be of little benefit to many and even harmful to some.

What’s driving this reassessment is a baffling observation about Covid-19: Many patients have blood oxygen levels so low they should be dead. But they’re not gasping for air, their hearts aren’t racing, and their brains show no signs of blinking off from lack of oxygen.

That is making critical care physicians suspect that blood levels of oxygen, which for decades have driven decisions about breathing support for patients with pneumonia and acute respiratory distress, might be misleading them about how to care for those with Covid-19. In particular, more and more are concerned about the use of intubation and mechanical ventilators. They argue that more patients could receive simpler, noninvasive respiratory support, such as the breathing masks used in sleep apnea, at least to start with and maybe for the duration of the illness.

“I think we may indeed be able to support a subset of these patients” with less invasive breathing support, said Sohan Japa, an internal medicine physician at Boston’s Brigham and Women’s Hospital. “I think we have to be more nuanced about who we intubate.”

That would help relieve a shortage of ventilators so critical that states are scrambling to procure them and some hospitals are taking the unprecedented (and largely untested) step of using a single ventilator for more than one patient. And it would mean fewer Covid-19 patients, particularly elderly ones, would be at risk of suffering the long-term cognitive and physical effects of sedation and intubation while being on a ventilator.

None of this means that ventilators are not necessary in the Covid-19 crisis, or that hospitals are wrong to fear running out. But as doctors learn more about treating Covid-19, and question old dogma about blood oxygen and the need for ventilators, they might be able to substitute simpler and more widely available devices.

An oxygen saturation rate below 93% (normal is 95% to 100%) has long been taken as a sign of potential hypoxia and impending organ damage. Before Covid-19, when the oxygen level dropped below this threshold, physicians supported their patients’ breathing with noninvasive devices such as continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP, the sleep apnea device) and bilevel positive airway pressure ventilators (BiPAP). Both work via a tube into a face mask.

In severe pneumonia or acute respiratory distress unrelated to Covid-19, or if the noninvasive devices don’t boost oxygen levels enough, critical care doctors turn to mechanical ventilators that push oxygen into the lungs at a preset rate and force: A physician threads a 10-inch plastic tube down a patient’s throat and into the lungs, attaches it to the ventilator, and administers heavy and long-lasting sedation so the patient can’t fight the sensation of being unable to breathe on his own.










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In this video, we look at how ventilators work, and how they are used to treat patients with Covid-19.

But because in some patients with Covid-19, blood-oxygen levels fall to hardly-ever-seen levels, into the 70s and even lower, physicians are intubating them sooner. “Data from China suggested that early intubation would keep Covid-19 patients’ heart, liver, and kidneys from failing due to hypoxia,” said a veteran emergency medicine physician. “This has been the whole thing driving decisions about breathing support: Knock them out and put them on a ventilator.”

To be sure, many physicians are starting simple. “Most hospitals, including ours, are using simpler, noninvasive strategies first,” including the apnea devices and even nasal cannulas, said Greg Martin, a critical care physician at Emory University School of Medicine and president-elect of the Society of Critical Care Medicine. (Nasal cannulas are tubes whose two prongs, held beneath the nostrils by elastic, deliver air to the nose.) “It doesn’t require sedation and the patient [remains conscious and] can participate in his care. But if the oxygen saturation gets too low you can achieve more oxygen delivery with a mechanical ventilator.”

The question is whether ICU physicians are moving patients to mechanical ventilators too quickly. “Almost the entire decision tree is driven by oxygen saturation levels,” said the emergency medicine physician, who asked not to be named so as not to appear to be criticizing colleagues.

That’s not unreasonable. In patients who are on ventilators due to non-Covid-19 pneumonia or acute respiratory distress, a blood oxygen level in the 80s can mean impending death, with no room to give noninvasive breathing support more time to work. Physicians are using their experience with ventilators in those situations to guide their care for Covid-19 patients. The problem, critical care physician Cameron Kyle-Sidell told Medscape this week, is that because U.S. physicians had never seen Covid-19 before February, they are basing clinical decisions on conditions that may not be good guides.
“It’s hard to switch tracks when the train is going a million miles an hour,” said Kyle-Sidell, who works at a New York City hospital. “This may be an entirely new disease,” making ventilator protocols developed for other conditions less than ideal.


As doctors learn more about the disease, however, both frontline experience and a few small studies are leading him and others to question how, and how often, mechanical ventilators are used for Covid-19.

The first batch of evidence relates to how often the machines fail to help. “Contrary to the impression that if extremely ill patients with Covid-19 are treated with ventilators they will live and if they are not, they will die, the reality is far different,” said geriatric and palliative care physician Muriel Gillick of Harvard Medical School.

Researchers in Wuhan, for instance, reported that, of 37 critically ill Covid-19 patients who were put on mechanical ventilators, 30 died within a month. In a U.S. study of patients in Seattle, only one of the seven patients older than 70 who were put on a ventilator survived; just 36% of those younger than 70 did. And in a study published by JAMA on Monday, physicians in Italy reported that nearly 90% of 1,300 critically ill patients with Covid-19 were intubated and put on a ventilator; only 11% received noninvasive ventilation. One-quarter died in the ICU; 58% were still in the ICU, and 16% had been discharged.

Older patients who do survive risk permanent cognitive and respiratory damage from being on heavy sedation for many days if not weeks and from the intubation, Gillick said.

To be sure, the mere need for ventilators in Covid-19 patients suggests many in the studies were so critically ill their chances of survival were poor no matter what care they received.
But one of the most severe consequences of Covid-19 suggests another reason the ventilators aren’t more beneficial. In acute respiratory distress syndrome, which results from immune cells ravaging the lungs and kills many Covid-19 patients, the air sacs of the lungs become filled with a gummy yellow fluid. “That limits oxygen transfer from the lungs to the blood even when a machine pumps in oxygen,” Gillick said.

As patients go downhill, protocols developed for other respiratory conditions call for increasing the force with which a ventilator delivers oxygen, the amount of oxygen, or the rate of delivery, she explained. But if oxygen can’t cross into the blood from the lungs in the first place, those measures, especially greater force, may prove harmful. High levels of oxygen impair the lung’s air sacs, while high pressure to force in more oxygen damages the lungs.


In a letter last week in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine, researchers in Germany and Italy said their Covid-19 patients were unlike any others with acute respiratory distress. Their lungs are relatively elastic (“compliant”), a sign of health “in sharp contrast to expectations for severe ARDS.” Their low blood oxygen might result from things that ventilators don’t fix. Such patients need “the lowest possible [air pressure] and gentle ventilation,” they said, arguing against increasing the pressure even if blood oxygen levels remain low. “We need to be patient.”

“We need to ask, are we using ventilators in a way that makes sense for other diseases but not for this one?” Gillick said. “Instead of asking how do we ration a scarce resource, we should be asking how do we best treat this disease?”

Researchers and clinicians on the front lines are trying. In a small study last week in Annals of Intensive Care, physicians who treated Covid-19 patients at two hospitals in China found that the majority of patients needed no more than a nasal cannula. Among the 41% who needed more intense breathing support, none was put on a ventilator right away. Instead, they were given noninvasive devices such as BiPAP; their blood oxygen levels “significantly improved” after an hour or two. (Eventually two of seven needed to be intubated.) The researchers concluded that the more comfortable nasal cannula is just as good as BiPAP and that a middle ground is as safe for Covid-19 patients as quicker use of a ventilator.
“Anecdotal experience from Italy [also suggests] that they were able to support a number of folks using these [non-invasive] methods,” Japa said.

To be “more nuanced about who we intubate,” as she suggests, starts with questioning the significance of oxygen saturation levels. Those levels often “look beyond awful,” said Scott Weingart, a critical care physician in New York and host of the “EMCrit” podcast. But many can speak in full sentences, don’t report shortness of breath, and have no signs of the heart or other organ abnormalities that hypoxia can cause.

“The patients in front of me are unlike any I’ve ever seen,” Kyle-Sidell told Medscape about those he cared for in a hard-hit Brooklyn hospital. “They looked a lot more like they had altitude sickness than pneumonia.”

Because U.S. data on treating Covid-19 patients are nearly nonexistent, health care workers are flying blind when it comes to caring for such confounding patients. But anecdotally, Weingart said, “we’ve had a number of people who improved and got off CPAP or high flow [nasal cannulas] who would have been tubed 100 out of 100 times in the past.” What he calls “this knee-jerk response” of putting people on ventilators if their blood oxygen levels remain low with noninvasive devices “is really bad. … I think these patients do much, much worse on the ventilator.”

That could be because the ones who get intubated are the sickest, he said, “but that has not been my experience: It makes things worse as a direct result of the intubation.” High levels of force and oxygen levels, both in quest of restoring oxygen saturation levels to normal, can injure the lungs. “I would do everything in my power to avoid intubating patients,” Weingart said.

One reason Covid-19 patients can have near-hypoxic levels of blood oxygen without the usual gasping and other signs of impairment is that their blood levels of carbon dioxide, which diffuses into air in the lungs and is then exhaled, remain low. That suggests the lungs are still accomplishing the critical job of removing carbon dioxide even if they’re struggling to absorb oxygen. That, too, is reminiscent of altitude sickness more than pneumonia.

The noninvasive devices “can provide some amount of support for breathing and oxygenation, without needing a ventilator,” said ICU physician and pulmonologist Lakshman Swamy of Boston Medical Center.

One problem, though, is that CPAP and other positive-pressure machines pose a risk to health care workers, he said. The devices push aerosolized virus particles into the air, where anyone entering the patient’s room can inhale them. The intubation required for mechanical ventilators can also aerosolize virus particles, but the machine is a contained system after that.

“If we had unlimited supply of protective equipment and if we had a better understanding of what this virus actually does in terms of aerosolizing, and if we had more negative pressure rooms, then we would be able to use more” of the noninvasive breathing support devices, Swamy said."
 
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