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northern watch

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(((Henry L Niman PhD)))‏ @hniman 5m5 minutes ago

Hubei nCoV Confirmed Cases Increase To 19,665 - Deaths To 549 DETAIL 2328 severe cases and 756 critical cases - 633 patients have been cured and discharged - 549 deaths
 

jward

passin' thru
Yikes. Are we going to have planes dropping from the sky, for having no place that they're allowed to land?
...nah. probably not, right? :shkr:l
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm on your side of the issue, but I think there are a few differences between the West and China.

1). They were the original point of contact. I would imagine to have the numbers they have(unofficial), there would have been a mass release of the bioweapon.

2). The West isn't going to make matters worse in country by covering up the data.

3). The West has started quarantines quicker.

4). The West has better hygiene, facilities and training.

5). We are not point of contact but secondary contact, big difference.
Especially #4.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Yikes. Are we going to have planes dropping from the sky, for having no place that they're allowed to land?
...nah. probably not, right? :shkr:l
No, they'll land. But the passengers might be kept on the plane for some time, until they can be moved off and sealed up. Think ten or twenty hours, that kind of thing. Not a good place to be.
 

jward

passin' thru
I have a hunch that if they're being tight lipped about this, it's another college campus. Likely Ohio State. The college campuses are going to be like dominoes, with the students that went back to China during semester break. If it were another student at Miami University, it would be such a shock. But two universities in one state? That will start freaking people out. Parents especially.
Yup, campuses are practically states in their own right, don't believe that, try getting some accurate crime #s from them.

But, don't forget that illegals are protected classes, too....would not surprise me if one of those cases being kept quiet were of an illegal.
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
Personally, my belief is that some awkward Chinese science nerd had romantic affections from afar over some very cute little lady whose hand was betrothed to another suitor and in a failed attempt to eliminate the competition he secretly removed a virus sample to infect his competition. However, his romantic scheme failed and the virus infected the object of his affection and on her deathbed he sent her on the journey to the other side with a farewell kiss thus infecting himself. After which he stopped on the way home at the fish market for comfort food to ease his pain selecting a dish of bat soup.
Wumeo & Ju-Li :lol:
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have a hunch that if they're being tiGHt lipped about this, it's another college campus. Likely Ohio State. The college campuses are going to be like dominoes, with the students that went back to China during semester break. If it were another student at Miami University, it would be such a shock. But two universities in one state? That will start freaking people out. Parents especially.
OSU, University of Cincinnati, or Case Western in Cleveland would be my guess.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
I'm on your side of the issue, but I think there are a few differences between the West and China.

1). They were the original point of contact. I would imagine to have the numbers they have(unofficial), there would have been a mass release of the bioweapon.

2). The West isn't going to make matters worse in country by covering up the data.

3). The West has started quarantines quicker.

4). The West has better hygiene, facilities and training.

5). We are not point of contact but secondary contact, big difference.
1 nope

2 LOL are you kidding me? Yesterday, I heard the head of CDC (or maybe WHO) say “the problem is that the ordinary people have TOO MUCH INFORMATION!!

3 Whole Cities? Nope, they will drag out deciding till it’s too late and too many infected have left.4. So

4 So What? In a big virulent epidemic none of that matters. You run out of masks, you’re screwed. We have millions who can’t read, millions more who don't know BASIC math, so even a 50%
Death rate wouldn’t impress them because they never learned percentages. We have millions of spoiled snowflake “you can’t make me” ADULTS who never were made to respect or obey ANYBODY

5. Are you serious? As soon as it is “unknown” from whom you caught it, it is considered “loose in your community” and they don't care, if you are a resident or just present there you’re “suspected” to be exposed and a possible carrier of the virus. Most of the people of WuHan did NOT have it when they locked down the whole City!
 
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Marthanoir

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Disclaimer: I don't know this site and cannot vouch for it. I did check the proscribed sites list and did not find it. If anyone has thoughts good or bad let me know.

The Financial Times , FT is one of the original British BroadSheet newspapers , its now owned by Nikkei Inc
The same group that calculates the Nikkei Index
The Financial Times calculates the UK's FTSE.

Probably the least woo you will find
 

raven

Has No Life - Lives on TB
have we seen this...filing it under things that make me wanna :hof:

Max Howroute▫ (@howroute) Tweeted:
Another video of chemical disinfection in the streets of Wuhan, an epicenter of #coronavirus outbreak. Ray Lau on Twitter View: https://twitter.com/howroute/status/1225162279001432064?s=20
Overstock of Febreeze
On a serious note: The Chinese must be aware of something about this virus that we are not aware of. You do not generally see tanker trucks spraying disinfectant over wide areas of the landscape to kill a virus. You normally see this kind of reaction to insects that carry disease
 
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Tarryn

Senior Member
The Financial Times , FT is one of the original British BroadSheet newspapers , its now owned by Nikkei Inc
The same group that calculates the Nikkei Index
The Financial Times calculates the UK's FTSE.

Probably the least woo you will find
Thank you! It is good to see someone from the WHO breaking ranks.
 
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shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm on your side of the issue, but I think there are a few differences between the West and China.

1). They were the original point of contact. I would imagine to have the numbers they have(unofficial), there would have been a mass release of the bioweapon.

2). The West isn't going to make matters worse in country by covering up the data.

3). The West has started quarantines quicker.

4). The West has better hygiene, facilities and training.

5). We are not point of contact but secondary contact, big difference.
Every body needs to read this book, released last November, to get firm grasp on both the threat and
the expected (overwhelming) deficiencies in USA planned Federal/State/Local pandemic responses.
Written primarily by Dr Steven Hatfill, click on his name there to read his bio.
Also, practical DIY stay-at-home quarantine advice and even how to safely care for sick family member.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Question: Do you all think the outbreak in China slow down/cut the fentanyl epidemic here?
Shucks, library lady, they're exporten both here... Numbers don't matter- just body count, an' to th' chinese, they don't matter at all- theirs, or ours... Heartless savages, their govmint, not the folks over there who're sufferin.'

OA
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
Every body needs to read this book, released last November, to get firm grasp on both the threat and
the expected (overwhelming) deficiencies in USA planned Federal/State/Local pandemic responses.
Written primarily by Dr Steven Hatfill, click on his name there to read his bio.
Also, practical DIY stay-at-home quarantine advice and even how to safely care for sick family member.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
Yeah, I've been listening to him on the War Room w/Steve Bannon.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Way back when on this thread, I pointed out that there were about 350,000 Chinese students in this here country and a big bunch of them went back to China over the Xmas break and quite likely many got back without being 'screened'.

I think we will start bearing the fruits of that starting right now.
 

1911user

Veteran Member
Some Info debunking the idea that masks can be recycled or reused----j

Source: 水煮、喷酒精、照紫外线…… 防病毒口罩不能用这些方法循环使用 - 冠状,都是,再利用,防病毒,很难 - 科技日报 - 汉丰网

Boiled, sprayed with alcohol, irradiated with ultraviolet light ... Anti-virus masks cannot be recycled in these ways
2020-02-03 02:40:28 Source: Science and Technology Daily

Xinhua News Agency reporter Wang Quanchao

With the continued development of the epidemic, anti-virus masks such as N95 (KN95) and medical surgery are still on the market, and the inventory of masks in many families is about to bottom out. So, the Internet began to spread the "remedy" for reusing used masks in the pot, steaming them, boiling them in water, baking them under the ultraviolet lamp, spraying them with alcohol and then drying them.

At first glance, these methods are completely consistent with the weakness of the new type of coronavirus that is afraid of high temperature, alcohol, and ultraviolet rays, and it can indeed kill the virus on the mask. But can anti-virus masks labeled with "disposable" really be on the "infinite cycle" of use, disinfection and reuse?

The reporter from Science and Technology Daily interviewed Prof. Jin Xiangyu, the deputy director of the Industrial Textile Engineering Center of the Ministry of Education and the Department of Nonwoven Materials and Engineering of Donghua University. He has presided over the completion of the "Development of Anti-SARS Virus Protective Textiles" project for the SARS epidemic.

According to the "New Coronavirus Infected Pneumonia Diagnosis and Treatment Scheme (Trial Version 4)", "56 ° C for 30 minutes" can effectively inactivate the virus. Can masks be reused by "steaming and boiling"?

Jin Xiangyu: No.
Whether it is N95 or medical surgical masks, their means of achieving "anti-virus" rely on the "filter layer" to adsorb and block micro particles (aerosols) such as viruses, and the filter layer is mainly composed of polypropylene melt-blown ultrafine fibers.

According to design requirements, masks must achieve comfortable barrier ventilation while achieving good barrier effects. Generally, the suction resistance to medical masks cannot exceed 343.2 Pascals (Pa), and the suction resistance of daily protective masks is less than 135 Pascals ( Pa).

Therefore, the mask filter material often needs to undergo "electret treatment" to make it carry a small amount of charge, so that it can still effectively adsorb various particles in the air under relatively fluffy conditions.

There is no doubt that whether it is "steaming" or "boiled", the entry of water will quickly eliminate the charge in the filter layer, resulting in a significant reduction in the filtering effect. At the same time, polypropylene meltblown materials have very thin fibers, which are ten times thinner than hair, with an average of only two microns. They are not resistant to high temperatures. When the temperature is higher than 80 ° C, they will shrink and deform, resulting in structural damage and reduced protective effects.

According to the "New Coronavirus Infected Pneumonia Diagnosis and Treatment Scheme (Trial Version 4)", 75% ethanol can effectively inactivate the virus. Can the used masks be disinfected with alcohol and then dried and reused?

Jin Xiangyu: No.
On the one hand, the outer surfaces of medical surgical masks and medical N95 masks have undergone a "water-repellent treatment". Alcohol, water, blood, saliva, etc. are difficult to penetrate. The purpose is to strengthen the protection of doctors and prevent liquid spray from coming into contact with patients. Cause cross infection.

Therefore, it is difficult for the surface to be smeared and sprayed with alcohol to disinfect the inside of the medical mask. On the other hand, alcohol can also damage the waterproof structure of the outer layer of the mask. The reason is that the surface tension of alcohol is very different from that of water. The mask material treated with alcohol will enhance the absorption of water (blood, saliva), which will speed up the mask. Filter layer failed.

According to the "New Coronary Virus Infected Pneumonia Diagnosis and Treatment Scheme (Trial Version 4)", the virus is sensitive to ultraviolet rays. Can UV masks and disinfection cabinets be used to disinfect masks for reuse?

Jin Xiangyu: No.
Polypropylene meltblown material is a thermoplastic polymer material, which has poor aging resistance and is very sensitive to ultraviolet rays. After being irradiated with ultraviolet rays, the structure will be destroyed or oxidatively degraded, which will greatly reduce the filtration performance.

The research team has conducted experiments. If N95-level masks are steamed, washed, and sterilized by UV lamps, its filtration efficiency will be rapidly reduced from 95% to less than 60%, which is similar to ordinary gauze masks and cotton masks.

So is there any way to achieve disinfection and reuse of masks?

Jin Xiangyu: For ordinary people, no.
The disinfection method adopted in the mask production process is ethylene oxide gas disinfection, which cannot be achieved by ordinary households. Moreover, the mask continuously absorbs the water vapor exhaled by the human body during use, which gradually causes the charge loss of the filter layer and the decrease of the adsorption capacity. It cannot be recovered even after disinfection and drying, and it will not provide a good protective effect. Under the current epidemic conditions, disinfection and reuse of disposable anti-virus masks should not be promoted.

Although medical surgical masks and medical N95 masks are both "disposable", from the designer's point of view, ordinary people do not need to use a protective mask before throwing them away unless they go to hospitals, large supermarkets or contact with suspected patients. It can be used two or three times to reduce the consumption of mask resources.

Further reading

Why medical masks are mostly blue

The outer layer of the medical surgical mask is blue, on the one hand, to relieve the visual fatigue of the doctor at work. The white coat + white mask will be more "dazzling" under the light, which is not conducive to the doctor's long-term work. On the other hand, the blue surface is water-repellent, and different colors are also reminding the user that this face is outward.

What is the difference between medical surgical masks and N95 (KN95)? From the perspective of appearance, ordinary medical surgical masks are flat masks, while N95 masks are often arched design, and fit better to the face. But the filter layers of both are made of polypropylene meltblown material, but the thickness is different. In general, the area density of the filtering layer of general medical surgical masks is about 20 to 30 grams per square meter, while the density of the filtering layer of N95 masks is about 55 to 60 grams per square meter.
One idea I had for reusing N95-type masks is to simply rotate them. i.e. wear a mask then hang it in dry, warm (not hot) air for a minimum of 1, preferably 2 weeks before wearing it again. This assumes there are no tears, worn spots, or holes. My thought is that should be enough time for a virus to die if they on the mask and time for it to dry completely. Proper handling of the mask (wearing gloves) after wearing the mask would be required. It seems easier and cheaper to buy a box or 2 of disposable gloves than to pay the ever-rising price for N95 or better masks.

If this is a bad idea, please say why. It won't hurt my feelings and might help people with a limited supply of masks make them last longer.
 

jward

passin' thru
Way back when on this thread, I pointed out that there were about 350,000 Chinese students in this here country and a big bunch of them went back to China over the Xmas break and quite likely many got back without being 'screened'.

I think we will start bearing the fruits of that starting right now.
Yup, this was going earlier in China than we normally cite, so it must already be seeded and bearing it's poisoned fruit here. The 14th might be an uptick, but...
 

marsh

TB Fanatic
New episodic videos by physicians.

Sorry, Helen, sex is now out. Unfortunately, I have heard people online saying that all those bored people in quarantine in China will be so occupied leading to an anticipated baby boom in 9 months. The Doc Campbell says that SARS caused birth defects, so there is reason to believe this CaronaVirus could as well. What sorrow that will bring....

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WLk-Mxydrk
22:01 min

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27:08 min

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Coronavirus Epidemic Update 11: Antiviral Drugs, Treatment Trials for nCoV (Remdesivir, Chloroquine)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfGpdFNHoqQ
9:58 min
 

Roscoe's Daddy

Veteran Member
Every body needs to read this book, released last November, to get firm grasp on both the threat and
the expected (overwhelming) deficiencies in USA planned Federal/State/Local pandemic responses.
Written primarily by Dr Steven Hatfill, click on his name there to read his bio.
Also, practical DIY stay-at-home quarantine advice and even how to safely care for sick family member.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
Just received my copy. Looking forward to reading it. Thanks, Shane.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Every body needs to read this book, released last November, to get firm grasp on both the threat and
the expected (overwhelming) deficiencies in USA planned Federal/State/Local pandemic responses.



Three Seconds Until Midnight: Dr. Steven Hatfill, Robert J. Coullahan, Dr. John J. Walsh Jr.: 9781700120298: Amazon.com: Books
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Written primarily by Dr Steven Hatfill, click on his name there to read his bio.


Absolutely agree with this suggestion - my copy came in yesterday and it is essential. Called my county emergency manager today and recommended it to them, too.
 
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