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Tom McDowell

Tom McDowell

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[CCP Virus] Virologist Steven Hatfill: Virus Origin, Local Government Failure & Guarding Your Health
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American Thought Leaders - The Epoch Times

KEY POINTS OF INTEREST
02:07 Breaking down America’s pandemic preparations, and how many local governments failed to do their part

10:24 What are the origins of the coronavirus?

17:44 Impact of the Chinese regime’s cover-up and suppression of information on coronavirus

40:09 Should people be panicking? How severe is the situation really?

47:01 How important is social distancing?

51:03 Are masks effective?

1:01:04 Are drugs like chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine a good idea?

1:10:12 How should the world prepare for future pandemics?

Through the eyes of virologist and professor of medicine Dr. Steven Hatfill, how did the Chinese Communist Party’s weeks-long cover-up of coronavirus, or CCP virus, contribute to the global pandemic?

What are the likely origins of the virus?

What structural problems have inhibited the US response?

And how serious is CCP virus in the US? What’s in store for the near future?

In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Steven Hatfill, a physician, virologist, bio-weapons expert, and an adjunct professor of emergency medicine at George Washington University Medical Center.

He has studied the Ebola, Marburg, and Monkeypox viruses at the US Army Institute for Infectious Diseases, and he is the co-author of the prescient book on pandemics, “Three Seconds Until Midnight.”

This is American Thought Leaders , and I’m Jan Jekielek.

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Ravekid

Ravekid

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Mixin said:
I was pretty shocked to learn that our first death, Roberta Shelton, had no contact tracing done. She had been to a bar, Moose Lodge and worked at a car rental place in the 5 days prior to being admitted to the hospital. The mayor of Beech Grove didn't even get a notice. Citing health care privacy restrictions, state and local health officials did not respond to questions about actions they took to notify people in close contact with Shelton.
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The old "medical privacy" excuse. While I like how Indiana is ran in some ways, but a huge issue with this state is that those in charge are pretty tight with money. We don't believe in "big government" here, so we don't have large units of government that are very good at quickly moving on something like this. We don't pay all that great for most state jobs, and the mediocre pension the state offers doesn't make up for the low pay, so there is high turnover and the state likely isn't getting top quality, driven workers.

The state just released some stats the other day. For Indiana, 86% of the patients who've died with COVID-19 are over the age of 60.
 
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John Deere Girl

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Mixin said:
Do you suppose those are included in our stats?

I came across an Indystar article the other day that discussed some problems Indy was having. I was pretty shocked to learn that our first death, Roberta Shelton, had no contact tracing done. She had been to a bar, Moose Lodge and worked at a car rental place in the 5 days prior to being admitted to the hospital. The mayor of Beech Grove didn't even get a notice. Citing health care privacy restrictions, state and local health officials did not respond to questions about actions they took to notify people in close contact with Shelton.
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I don't know. Just talked to a family member who is a PCP. As of Friday the practice is closed and the Dr's there will be working at the hospital. Things are deteriorating fast.
 
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Mixin

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John Deere Girl said:
I don't know. Just talked to a family member who is a PCP. As of Friday the practice is closed and the Dr's there will be working at the hospital. Things are deteriorating fast.
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This is from the article I posted this morning and I expect we will see more of the shifting happening:

“As we mentioned stopping elective surgery, that allows us to have some anesthesia machines that we can re-purpose (to) use as ventilators," Dr. Chris Weaver said. "They have that capability.”

There is also now a statewide pool of healthcare workers. Providers in other areas of practice, medical students at local schools, and even retired clinicians are being called to help. So far, more than 5,000 have stepped forward. “
 
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Mixin

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Ravekid said:
The old "medical privacy" excuse. While I like how Indiana is ran in some ways, but a huge issue with this state is that those in charge are pretty tight with money. We don't believe in "big government" here, so we don't have large units of government that are very good at quickly moving on something like this. We don't pay all that great for most state jobs, and the mediocre pension the state offers doesn't make up for the low pay, so there is high turnover and the state likely isn't getting top quality, driven workers.

The state just released some stats the other day. For Indiana, 86% of the patients who've died with COVID-19 are over the age of 60.
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I follow crime on another site and I'm really pleased at how easy it is to navigate Indiana's court sites but I'm frustrated to no end at how this corona stuff is being handled.

It's sure trying to thin out the herd of us old folks.
 
Tom McDowell

Tom McDowell

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US president Donald Trump said a few minutes ago, addressing the media, that the country is “going to go through a very tough two weeks,” striking a more somber tone than he has at previous briefings. “This is going to be a very, very painful two weeks.”

There will be“light at the end of the tunnel,” he added. We are going to see things get better “all of a sudden” like a “burst of light.”

Maanvi Singh

White House predicts up to 240,000 deaths
The White House has predicted 100,000 to 240,000 deaths in the US from coronavirus pandemic, even with mitigation measures. This isn’t the first time that the task force scientists have presented these grim projections.

But Birx said the model doesn’t assume every American does everything they’re supposed to do, “so it can be lower than that,” she said.

“Our hope is to get that down as much as we can,” Fauci added. The numbers are what “we need to anticipate, but that doesn’t mean that that’s what we’re going to accept.”

www.theguardian.com

Global confirmed virus death toll passes 40,000 – as it happened

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marsh

marsh

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MedCram - Medical Lectures Explained CLEARLY

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update 47 with Roger Seheult, MD of https://www.MedCram.com As global COVID-19 infections continue to increase rapidly, Dr. Seheult continues his discussion on possible strategies to promote a robust immune system, including a nod to the past with hydrotherapy techniques. Interestingly, these techniques were used during the Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918 and there are reports about a significant benefit to patients who participated. Initiating studies or attaining data from randomized controlled trials for techniques practiced in the “pre-antibiotic era” is a challenge. Links referenced in this video: Johns Hopkins - https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/ap... Worldometer - https://www.worldometers.info/coronav... Frontiers in Immunology - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti... PubMed - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2... Adventist Digital Library - https://adventistdigitallibrary.org/a... John Harvey Kellogg Article on Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ha... https://health.howstuffworks.com/well... Contrast Shower Video: https://vimeo.com/165013134/346f3ef87a Fomentations Video: https://vimeo.com/165038398/c13ccc4e25 Revulsive Treatment with Hot Foot Bath Video: https://vimeo.com/165043194/1b70b2e433
 
Trivium Pursuit

Trivium Pursuit

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bassaholic said:
The US's version of social distancing isn't going to work. People are still out and about in large numbers. Just because you are 6 feet away from someone in line (the places that are doing this are very few) isn't going to help much.

They are going to have to shut down restaurants, Costco's, Targets, Walmarts, etc, etc.

A real social distancing.

This will have to be enforced with the help of the military.

This party is just getting started.
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I wish they would just published the Hunan bus picture on every national news show and spread it throughout the Internet. That's what they need to see to understand social distancing.
 
greysage

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Carrier Roosevelt CO Asks Navy to Quarantine Entire Crew Ashore as COVID-19 Outbreak Accelerates - USNI News

The commander of USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) asked U.S. Pacific Fleet leadership to take his crew off his carrier and send them all into quarantine ashore on Guam, as a COVID-19 outbreak on the carrier spreads at an accelerating rate, according to a Monday letter obtained by USNI News. Capt...
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Carrier Roosevelt CO Asks Navy to Quarantine Entire Crew Ashore as COVID-19 Outbreak Accelerates
By: Sam LaGrone
March 31, 2020 1:21 PM


USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) sails in formation as part of an Expeditionary Strike Force. US NAvy Photo
The commander of USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) asked U.S. Pacific Fleet leadership to take his crew off his carrier and send them all into quarantine ashore on Guam, as a COVID-19 outbreak on the carrier spreads at an accelerating rate, according to a Monday letter obtained by USNI News.

Capt. Brett Crozier wrote Pacific Fleet leadership asking for more resources to effectively isolate his crew and fight the virus, a Navy official who verified the authenticity of the letter USNI News on Tuesday. Contents of the letter were first reported by The San Francisco Chronicle on Tuesday. Last week the carrier was sent pier-side to Guam after three sailors tested positive for COIVD-19 and were shipped to a nearby hospital.


Capt. Brett Crozier
The ship was sent pier-side to test sailors and isolate those who were infected from the rest of the crew.
“No one on the crew will be allowed to leave anywhere into Guam other than on pier-side. And we are already starting the process of testing 100 percent of the crew to ensure that we’ve got that contained,” Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly told reporters last week.

Since then, the crew has been isolated to the pier and kept separate from the rest of the military and civilian population on the island while the testing continued. Crozier said from their experiences the testing and isolation regime has been ineffective due to tight quarters on the ship.

“Testing has no direct influence on the spread of the COVID-19 virus. It merely confirms the presence of the virus. Due to the close quarters required on a warship and the current number of positive cases, every single Sailor, regardless of rank, onboard the TR must be considered ‘close contact’ in accordance with the [Navy guidance],” he wrote. “Testing will only be useful as the ship returns to work after isolation or quarantine to confirm the effectiveness of the quarantine period. Our focus now must be on quarantine and isolation in strict compliance with CDC and [Navy] guidance.”

In his letter, Crozier presented two scenarios to leaders, one in which the 4,000 sailors of the carrier would remain at sea, fight sick and suffer losses from the virus. It’s unclear how many sailor are infected with reports ranging from 30 to close to 100.
“We go to war with the force we have and fight sick. We never achieve a COVID free TR,” he wrote.
“There will be losses to the virus.”

The second was to pause the operations of the carrier, quarantine sailors and disinfect the ship with a skeleton crew aboard to maintain the nuclear reactor and essential systems.
“[This] requires strict adherence to CDC guidelines and a methodical approach to achieve a clean ship,” Crozier wrote.
“A clean ship is required. Every sailor onboard must be guaranteed virus-free and the ship environment must be disinfected. One infected sailor introduced to the ship will spread the virus. Off ship lodging in compliance with CDC and [Navy] guidance is required for over 4,000 sailors to achieve a clean ship and crew.”

Croizer wrote that is was impossible to keep the crew healthy with its current protocols.
“Based on CDC guidelines and TR observations, the only effective method to preserve an individual’s health is total isolation for 14+ days in accordance with the NAVADMIN (i.e. Individual hotel/barracks rooms with separate heads). Due to a warship’s inherent limitations of space, we are not doing this. The spread of the disease is ongoing and accelerating,” he wrote.

“With the exceptions of a handful of senior officer staterooms, none of the berthing onboard a warship is appropriate for quarantine or isolation. Thousands of close contact sailors require quarantine in accordance with guidance. TR has begun to move personnel off ship into shore-based group restricted movement locations. Of the off-ship locations currently available, only one complies with the [Navy] guidance. Infected sailors reside in these off-ship locations. Two sailors have already tested positive in an open bay gymnasium equipped with cots. Although marginally better than a warship, group quarantine sites are not a solution and are not in accordance with current guidance.”

USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) arrives in Da Nang, Vietnam on March 5, 2020. US Navy Photo
It’s unclear if Guam has the space to absorb the crew of the carrier. According to the Guam Visitors Bureau, the island has 8,860 hotel rooms.

Modly said today during a CNN interview that “we don’t disagree with that CO of the ship” about the need to get sailors off the ship and into individual rooms for quarantine, though he expressed worries that there weren’t enough rooms available on the island to do so in accordance with health officials’ recommendations.
He said the Navy was working to meet the needs of the carrier – ideally, Modly said, that would involve bringing all the sailors off the ship, sending back a small team of essential personnel to operate the reactor after verifying those personnel did not have the virus, and then waiting out the quarantine period for the rest of the sailors.
A Navy official also told USNI News that the service was working to address the concerns.

“The commanding officer of Theodore Roosevelt alerted leadership in the Pacific Fleet on Sunday evening of continuing challenges in isolating the virus,” the Navy official said.
“The ship’s commanding officer advocated for housing more members of the crew in facilities that allow for better isolation. Navy leadership is moving quickly to take all necessary measures to ensure the health and safety of the crew of USS Theodore Roosevelt, and is pursuing options to address the concerns raised by the commanding officer.”
While Theodore Roosevelt is at the pier, the rest of the strike group has remained underway, a Navy official told USNI News. As of this posting, it’s unclear if the embarked Carrier Air Wing 11 is still aboard the ship. The core crew of an aircraft carrier is about 4,000. With the air wing, that number rises to more than 5,000.

USS Bunker Hill (CG-52) sails alongside amphibious assault ship USS America (LHA-6) on Feb. 15, 2020. US Navy Photo
While the Navy is unsure where the virus came from, the carrier had made a port visit to Vietnam along with guided-missile cruiser USS Bunker Hill (CG-52) in late February and early March. USNI News understands that three sailors came into contact with a person who later tested positive for COVID-19. However, Navy leaders stressed last week that the ship received several visitors on and off the ship during the same period. U.S. Pacific Fleet commander Adm. John

Aquilino also was part of the delegation that traveled to Vietnam for the port visit in Da Nang. He told USNI News last week he and his travel team have not shown symptoms for COVID-19 and had not been tested.
In his letter, Crozier said that without changes to how the ship was handling the outbreak, Theodore Roosevelt could suffer a fate similar to the Diamond Princess cruise ship.

“The current strategy will only slow the spread. The current plan in execution on TR will not achieve virus eradication on any timeline,” Crozier wrote.
“We are not at war. Sailors do not need to die. If we do not act now, we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset – our sailors.”
 
marsh

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Antibodies from recovered COVID-19 patients could be key to fighting virus
•Mar 30, 2020


CBS This Morning

Patients who have been infected with the coronavirus and recovered could be the key to fighting the disease. One potential treatment uses the antibodies built up in the blood of patients who've had the illness. Dr. Jon LaPook speaks with a doctor who is overseeing the treatment in Houston.

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Can blood of recovered COVID-19 patients help treat disease?
•Mar 31, 2020


ABC News

ABC News’ Diane Sawyer speaks to researchers who are looking at the experimental treatment while an approved vaccine is months away, at best.
 
Shooter

Shooter

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if you close walmart and Costco, where do you expect people to get food?

the number of people in those stores increased, because they cut there hours, I would be going at 3 am, to avoid people. but now I cant, same number of people a day are going there, just less hours for them to do that
 
Ragnarok

Ragnarok

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NCGirl said:
It's a joke. Everyone is still out and about. Friend sent me a picture from Lowe's yesterday. It looked like Black Friday. I am not sure if the people even realized that they would still be open today. My friend has a landscape supply company, they are "essential" and going to work through. I mean getting mulch right now is vital dontcha know :rolleyes:
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Arizona Lists Golf as an "Essential Activity"
The coronavirus pandemic has forced people, and governments, to focus on the important things in life. What can you not live without? What is truly essential?

Well, as far as the State of Arizona is concerned, golf, qualifies as an essential activity.

According to TMZ Sports, “Officials laid down the new rules in the Grand Canyon State this week … forcing Arizonans to shelter in place unless they had good reason to leave — like for jobs or ‘essential activities.'”

“In the order, they deem golf — along with walking, hiking, running and biking — as “essential” exercises … and some feel that ain’t helping stop the spread of coronavirus one bit.”

While listing golf as an “essential” activity may seem odd to most, the game is likely allowed more because it takes place in open spaces that allow for social distancing, as opposed to being “essential.” Though some, such as O.J. Simpson, who recently said he would go crazy if golf courses were shut down, might consider golf essential.

However, as TMZ Sports points out, there are other complications that arise from keeping golf courses open. Specifically, clubhouses, practice greens, and driving ranges, can become crowded and potential hotspots for contamination.
Arizona Lists Golf as an Essential Activity
 
Ragnarok

Ragnarok

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TorahTips said:
So let me get this straight: You can't go to church in Florida without the threat of arrest and closing the church down forever but you can go to Florida to go on a cruise. Did I get that correctly?
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Yes, you got that correct. You can't get on a cruise but if you are on one now and the whole flippin' ship gets sick, Governor Ron DeSantis will be happy to let you dock and disembark in this state!
 
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