WAR Main Armenia Versus Azerbaijan War Thread - Open Hostilities Underway Now

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Doge (BAL 2-0)
@IntelDoge
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My concern now is that Armenia could trigger Article 4 in CSTO, if the Turkish F-16 claim by President Harutyunyan is accurate. Definitely something to watch.


Article 4 states "If one of the States Parties is subjected to aggression by any state or group of states, then this will be considered as aggression against any of the participating States, all other participating states will provide him with the necessary assistance, --

including military, and will also provide support at their disposal in exercising the right to collective defense in accordance with Article 51 of the UN Charter."
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
This is kind of a no-win tangled mess for the USA as far as I can tell, at least for the next few days until things sort on in one direction or the other.

I gather (and this is so not my area of the world) that Azerbaijan has at least one US Military base (they like the West for a given degree of like) and Armenia is a mostly Orthodox Christian nation (like Greece or Russia) with a huge diaspora population in the US.

Not only that but look up "Armenian Genocide" but not while eating dinner or right before bed, neither is a good idea.

So the US either keeps its base and sides with Turkey, who has also been Sabor rattling against Greece or it turns it back on one of the only largely Christian nations in the area (and Russia also gets stuck in the middle here).

No good options other then try to stay out of the fray as long as possible, if things go really hot maybe evacuate the US base for now if they can't make a stronghold out of it, getting seriously involved in this is going to be a nightmare for any nation.
 

northern watch

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Armenia Orders 'Full Troop Mobilization' Against Azerbaijan As Tanks Clash, Martial Law Declared

by Tyler Durden
Zero Hedge
Sunday, 09/27/2020 - 14:36

Sunday saw huge clashes erupt between the armies of Armenia and Azerbaijan along the already militarized and disputed Nagorno-Karabakh border region. An official state of war in the region has been declared by Yerevan.

"Early in the morning, around 7 a.m. the Azerbaijani forces launched a large-scale aggression, including missile attacks..." Armenia's Defense Ministry stated Sunday. Armenia has since reportedly declared martial law and a "total military mobilization" in what looks to be the most serious escalation between the two countries in years.


Tank warfare unfolding Sunday. Armenian Defense Ministry produced footage (still frame) of attack on Azeri positions.

Air and artillery attacks from both sides ramped up, with each side blaming the other for the start of hostilities, while international powers urge calm. Crucially, civilians have already been killed on either side by indiscriminate shelling. At least a dozen soldiers on either side have also been reported killed.

Armenia's high command has ordered all troops throughout the country to muster and report to their bases: “I invite the soldiers appointed in the forces to appear before their military commissions in the regions,” a statement said.

The recent conflict hearkens back to 2016, but before that to post-Soviet times. Christian Armenia and Muslim Azerbaijan fought a war at that time in which at least 200 people were killed over Armenian ethnic breakaway Nagorno Karabakh, which declared independence in 1991, despite being internationally recognized as within Azerbaijan territory.

The first war for the territory finished in 1994, but the region has been militarized since, amid sporadic shelling.

Dozens of civilians have already been injured Sunday in the major flare-up of fighting, as CNN reports:

While Armenia said it was responding to missile attacks launched by its neighbor Sunday, Azerbaijan blamed Armenia for the clashes.
In response to the alleged firing of projectiles by Azerbaijan, Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan tweeted that his country had "shot down 2 helicopters & 3 UAVs, destroyed 3 tanks."

Multiple dramatic battlefield videos are circulating on social media confirming the large-scale deployment of tanks, artillery units, and airpower. Multiple Azerbaijani soldiers have been reported killed, but it's as yet unclear what casualty numbers could be.

Turkey's role in new fighting is attracting scrutiny. Its foreign ministry blamed Armenia and called for it to halt military operations, however, it hardly appears to be a mere outside or 'neutral' observer, given new widespread reports Turkey has transferred 'Syrian rebel' units to join the fighting on Azerbaijan's side.

These reports of Turkish supplied Syrian mercenaries began days ago, in what regional analysts predicted would be a huge escalation in hostilities in the Caucuses.

Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan late in the day slammed Turkey's meddling in the conflict. Ankara had called Armenia "an obstacle" to peace after the fresh hostilities broke out. Yerevan has now formally confirmed Turkey is supplying fighters.


Via BBC

Given the number of vital oil and gas infrastructure facilities and pipelines in the region, impact on global markets could be seen as early as Monday.

"At least 16 military and several civilians were killed on Sunday in the heaviest clashes between Armenia and Azerbaijan since 2016, reigniting concern about stability in the South Caucasus, a corridor for pipelines carrying oil and gas to world markets," Reuters reports.

Azerbaijan has also declared an official state of martial law while clashes between the armies are unfolding.

Meanwhile footage has emerged showing Armenia's nationwide mustering of its national and reserve forces:

Unverified footage of frontline fighting into the night:

"Pipelines shipping Caspian oil and natural gas from Azerbaijan to the world pass close to Nagorno-Karabakh," Reuters reports. "Armenia also warned about security risks in the South Caucasus in July after Azerbaijan threatened to attack Armenia’s nuclear power plant as possible retaliation."

The fighting is expected to grow fiercer along front lines in the disputed region into the night as the prospect of a full 'state of war' is looming between the historic rivals.

 
Ahhh no.

Armenia geographically fell under the former Soviet Union. Having a well educated and productive population it did alright under Soviet rule. If the US bases weren't in Turkey and Turkey wasn't part of NATO The story might be very different.

Yes Armenia is a Christian state and no they don't dislike the west. There is a significant population of Armenians and their descendants here in the US.

Armenians are long on family, church and education. Think Greece only surrounded by muslim countries. Part of their church service is to "Pray for the victories of Christian Princes and Kings.". That includes President Trump.
Armenians are also long on organized crime, corruption and lying.
 
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