rob0126
Veteran Member
Whether desantis pulls the trigger on it or not, the mechanism is still there for someone else in .gov to do it.
I have Zero trust in any US official at this point in time.
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FASCISM Law Signed by DeSantis Will Allow for Forced Vaccinations (UPDATE post #97. Changed)
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Whether desantis pulls the trigger on it or not, the mechanism is still there for someone else in .gov to do it.
I have Zero trust in any US official at this point in time.
rob0126
Veteran Member
After accusing Ping of being paranoid, you give these paranoid 'what if's'?
But I can give a simple solution:
Put a sign out front warning people to stay away, as this is a quarantined area.
pinkelsteinsmom
Veteran Member
I'm not, DeSantis is a zionist RINO. I was surprised by his actions in the last 6 months. It seems he did sonething right, noticed the praise and built on that to look like a patriot. He is pence lite.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
In the past when REAL quarantines occurred, there WAS a sign warning people away, and ONLY the County Health Nurse or a designee was permitted inside. And there was NO "visit across the back fence' either. the laws are pretty clear as are the procedures. Most are just too young to know them.
Appartments would be interesting given how the rules and procedures were then.
Oh about eating. Unless someone was bringing food to you and left it on your porch, you didn't eat.
No body you know or delivering? too bad so sad. try to go out for yourself, you got returned home by the police. ya MIGHT be gifted with a cocobolo wood shampoo to enforce the understanding of "QUARANTINE"
Appartments would be interesting given how the rules and procedures were then.
Oh about eating. Unless someone was bringing food to you and left it on your porch, you didn't eat.
No body you know or delivering? too bad so sad. try to go out for yourself, you got returned home by the police. ya MIGHT be gifted with a cocobolo wood shampoo to enforce the understanding of "QUARANTINE"
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Read the actual history of Typhoid Mary and the number of people that she killed to understand why this type of law exists.
It is up to us to elect people like De Santis who wont abuse their power, who has proven by his actions, not words, that he is on the side of a free people. If we elect scum bags like in NY, MI and CA, they will abuse us, lock us down, inject us and so on.
Anyone can sit around handwringing about how De Santis could let us down, but his actions over the last several years have proven him to be the best of any republican in office in the entire country. I know that is not good enough for some and they would rather not vote and have Hillary or Biden since he does not live up to their high standards, but he is as good as can be found in the USA at this time.
It is up to us to elect people like De Santis who wont abuse their power, who has proven by his actions, not words, that he is on the side of a free people. If we elect scum bags like in NY, MI and CA, they will abuse us, lock us down, inject us and so on.
Anyone can sit around handwringing about how De Santis could let us down, but his actions over the last several years have proven him to be the best of any republican in office in the entire country. I know that is not good enough for some and they would rather not vote and have Hillary or Biden since he does not live up to their high standards, but he is as good as can be found in the USA at this time.
I worked at the state department of health before I retired.
Hell after I retired from the Navy I popped positive on the TB skin test but my X-rays were good but I still had to take Isoniazid for 6 months as a condition of working there. No big deal.
In Florida if you were exposed to TB and or had latent TB you were given Isoniazid for 3 to 6 months and a chest x-ray.
Most people did this with no problem.
Some were even provided with masks and told to wear them in addition to taking their medication and periodically reporting to the TB clinic for checkups. This quarantine usually lasted a few weeks before the patient was non contagious.
All in all it was not a big deal for the average joe sixpack.
In cases of serious active TB the person may be hospitalized in a special ward or clinic.
Most of the real problems come from the TB patients that are homeless, drug addicts or illegals, or sometimes all of the above. These people need to be physically quarantined and sometimes forcibly confined if they prove that they won't live in special controlled settings.
This is a whole different class of people than most of you are used to dealing with. For most of them, they could care less if they infect you or your family. They don't usually wear a mask or stay in residential facilities the state provides for the couple of weeks it takes for them to be no longer contagious.
Here in Florida the county Health Director has the authority to order emergency confinement for someone who is a danger, but has only so many hours before it has to go to the governor or judge for concurrence.
FYI I also believe cops and judges can do this for mentally unstable people too.
Bottom line: confinement for contagious TB lasts for a few weeks until the patient in no longer contagious provided they finish their medication regimen.
As far as applying this to Covid, I don't think it does.
Most people spread covid before they even know they are infected. If they get really sick they usually self isolate.
In fact the hospitals used to send covid patients with non life threatening symptoms home with instructions to self isolate.
During the absolute worst of the Covid pandemic I don't recall a single case of someone being involuntarily confined or quarantined, although in Israel they did heavily fine people in quarantine if they left their homes.
I don't recall any of that happening here.
One thing I do find suspicious is this whole move against DeSantis started happening only after he polled ahead of Trump in some stupid meaningless straw poll. But I guess it wasn't meaningless to Trump.
We'll see if these attacks continue or even ramp up.
DeSantis has all the same policies as Trump and then some.
The difference is that he actually knows how to implement them, and has here in Florida.
Trump was hamstrung during his tenure because he acted like a bull in a china shop and lacked the finesse and smarts to implement many policies. Lot's of good ideas, but very little got put into practice.
Many people here loved it when he made liberals blow gaskets, but liberals blowing gaskets didn't manage to put the country back on track.
I think a smarter more effective version of Trump, namely DeSantis might actually be able to do that.
jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
Traditional quarantine was -and should be- severe. NO interaction with outsiders, other than medical personnel properly attired and only when necessary. Food delivered and left outside the door by authorities.
it IS my body and NO ONE should be able to override my RIGHT TO LIFE, including those mothers that want to kill the babies, who also have a right to life, that are already living within them!
Yep, such a law already exists. And no one is perfect and I'm not defending De Santis because he is still on my crap list from the eviction moratorium idiocy.
However, just remember, such a laws as mandated treatment (including vaccination) already exists. Doubt me? Then how do they force mental health patients to take their meds while in-patient? How did they arrest and require treatment of AIDS infected to prevent them from knowingly passing AIDS to other people? How do they arrest certain types of TB infected people and basically keep them in-patient and force treatment on them? How do they force some dementia patients that are a danger to themselves or others to get treatment/take meds? How can they force pedophiles to take meds to be chemically castrated?
The law already exists.
intowolves
Veteran Member
Desantis has pushed back so much on the covid crap that I'll let the dust settle abit before I throw him under the bus
ohiohippie
Veteran Member
Tell me that’s not so!!!
Heartbreaking for me!!!
Heartbreaking for me!!!
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
In MOST states those laws have been on the books for 60-100 years.
Sicario
The Executor
And in America the government has gotten progressively more evil and corrupt over those 60-100 years. Time to rein them in!
Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Vaccine=pharmaceutica=sorcery
Let’s best not try forcing certain individuals to comply/participate with that.
Be content with your true believers and those lacking bottom-line conviction.
Weaponized blowback on the part of the convicted will be the least of your worries.
Let’s best not try forcing certain individuals to comply/participate with that.
Be content with your true believers and those lacking bottom-line conviction.
Weaponized blowback on the part of the convicted will be the least of your worries.
rob0126
Veteran Member
lines up with revelation; corrupting the whole world with sorceries.
ohiohippie
Veteran Member
I’ll be hiden from biden.
Only a dart from a helicopter will put that prick in me.
I gotta a plan.
Heliobas Disciple
TB Fanatic
I thought I would update this thread for posterity. In November, DeSantis and the FL Legislature CHANGED THIS PROVISION. It's gone. There is no longer a provision in FL code for forced vaccinations. It was part of the laws they passed about COVID and mandates, but they specifically changed the language this thread was about.
See: http://laws.flrules.org/files/Ch_2021-275.pdf
EXCERPT:
STRIKETHROUGHS ARE CHANGES MADE TO THE LEGISLATION
4. Ordering an individual to be examined, tested, vaccinated, treated, isolated, or quarantined for communicable diseases that have significant morbidity or mortality and present a severe danger to public health. Individuals who are unable or unwilling to be examined, tested, vaccinated, or treated for reasons of health, religion, or conscience may be subjected to isolation or quarantine.
a. Examination, testing, vaccination, or treatment may be performed by any qualified person authorized by the State Health Officer.
b. If the individual poses a danger to the public health, the State Health Officer may subject the individual to isolation or quarantine. If there is no practical method to isolate or quarantine the individual, the State Health Officer may use any means necessary tovaccinate or treat the individual.
See: http://laws.flrules.org/files/Ch_2021-275.pdf
EXCERPT:
STRIKETHROUGHS ARE CHANGES MADE TO THE LEGISLATION
4. Ordering an individual to be examined, tested,
a. Examination, testing,
b. If the individual poses a danger to the public health, the State Health Officer may subject the individual to isolation or quarantine. If there is no practical method to isolate or quarantine the individual, the State Health Officer may use any means necessary to
That means that if they find an illegal alien/immigrant/whatever you want to call them that has TB and is running from the law, they can be forced to receive treatment.
Just remember, forced vaccinations (via US Supreme court case involving Massachusettes) is already the law of the land back to 1905 as I recall.
Every law on the book is a two-edged sword. The point being to make sure that the right people get into positions of power.
bracketquant
Veteran Member
It depends on what the meaning of the word treat is.
Macgyver
Has No Life - Lives on TB
That is incorrect. Go read it again.
Heliobas Disciple
TB Fanatic
Usually I'd agree with your pessimism. But not this time. DeSantis wanted this provision removed just like all of us on the thread did.
I specifically copied over only the paragraphs that were being discussed in the OP. But this is the intro to the Act, it's very clear what the purpose of those deletions were.
CHAPTER 2021-275
House Bill No. 7-B
An act relating to vaccinations during public health emergencies; amending s. 381.00315, F.S.; removing the authority of the State Health Officer to order the vaccination of individuals upon declaration of a public health emergency; revising a requirement that the Department of Health adopt certain rules; providing an effective date.
The provision was removed but the 1905 case can still be used. Has even gotten used in the past in Florida to force treat TB cases.
MinnesotaSmith
Membership Revoked
Me, too. He just decided not to ever run for Prez.
MinnesotaSmith
Membership Revoked
At least as far as the AIDS-infected queers, druggies, and whores go, they never did "arrest and require treatment" AFAIK.
In California, I think they run for office.
In November, DeSantis and the FL Legislature CHANGED THIS PROVISION. It's gone. There is no longer a provision in FL code for forced vaccinations. It was part of the laws they passed about COVID and mandates, but they specifically changed the language this thread was about.
See: http://laws.flrules.org/files/Ch_2021-275.pdf
EXCERPT:
STRIKETHROUGHS ARE CHANGES MADE TO THE LEGISLATION
4. Ordering an individual to be examined, tested,
a. Examination, testing,
b. If the individual poses a danger to the public health, the State Health Officer may subject the individual to isolation or quarantine. If there is no practical method to isolate or quarantine the individual, the State Health Officer may use any means necessary to
Sicario
The Executor
I still have a problem with FORCED anything, particularly "treatment" and quarantine. Either we're FREE or we're not. Which is it going to be?
Sucks to be you then. If you have active TB, refuse to be treated and won't stay your ass at the house, you NEED to be locked up. They have to have some sort of laws like this due to morons to stupid to do the right thing, see Typhoid Mary as an example.I still have a problem with FORCED anything, particularly "treatment" and quarantine. Either we're FREE or we're not. Which is it going to be?
NoDandy
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I am somewhat surprised !
If this is true, I would suspect that his national popularity is going to nose dive, quickly !!
Again if true, this will show he is working for someone other than Americans.
He is either a traitor, or is being threatened, or blackmailed !!!
Either way, he is off of my " Good Guy " list !!!
workerbee
* Winter is Coming *
I am somewhat surprised !
If this is true, I would suspect that his national popularity is going to nose dive, quickly !!
Again if true, this will show he is working for someone other than Americans.
He is either a traitor, or is being threatened, or blackmailed !!!
Either way, he is off of my " Good Guy " list !!!
Please read the last page of this thread.
There is an update.
vector7
Dot Collector
This ^^^
The Communists in power are all about Two Tiered JustUS Systems and Abuse of Power, using freedoms against the innocent to change the system to gain power more for themselves. Kind of like radical Jihadis invading a host free nation terrorizing the population into Chaos to fundamentally change and topple their freedoms to hold power over the population.
Sicario
The Executor
No, what sucks is the fact that we've come to a place in time where we must shun and scrutinize EVERYTHING the government does "for us" to determine whether or not it carries murderous intent. What also sucks is the premise that I must give up my rights because of the misdeeds of others. The Communists have been trying to do this with our guns for decades. Should we give up that right too? After all, it would be the "right thing," wouldn't it?
A very wise man once said, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
I'm not interested in doing that, so unfortunately we're going to have to agree to disagree on this.
bracketquant
Veteran Member
I'm not a pessimist. I'm a realist.
Is "gene therapy" a vaccination or treatment?
DeSantis is meaningless in this, as he is temporal. He/she who comes after him could use the treatment clause to administer "gene therapy". The definition of vaccination has changed a few times in the past few years. The useless laws cannot keep up with it.
NoDandy
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yes, I read the update !! Have to admit went back & observed the original date. Not enough coffee I guess !!
Regardless,my original sentiments remain. With the update, to me it is like someone hit me with a ball bat, then saying " gee I am sorry, I did that because " bla, bla, bla, bla, bla " " To me, it just shows their true thinking attitude & intentions !!!!
My distrust for Desantis has grown now, after thinking highly of him. I just have been disappointed by too many politicians over the years !! I remember the old saying " fool me once, shame on YOU, fool me a 2nd time, shame on me !!! "
He signed it once, how can I trust him again ?
Time will tell if he is worthy of my trust again !
Elza
Veteran Member
The very reason 'they' keep changing the definitions.