mama of two
Senior Member
I knew I shouldn't have watched it. They make the good cops look bad. Bastards. Karma is a bitch. Hope they get what is coming to them.
CRIME Karen Garner Arrest - Horrific Highlight Reel from Booking Area/Update: they're gone (Settlement Post 86)
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Oscar Wilde
Membership Revoked
Please folks, if there were any bad cops there couldn't possibly be any good ones ...
it was just a misunderstanding is all.
If she'd a been black no one here would of said "boo".
O.W.
it was just a misunderstanding is all.
If she'd a been black no one here would of said "boo".
O.W.
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Landcruiser
Contributing Member
No reasonable person should agree with the way she was treated from start to finish... All the way back to how Walmart handled it (with the assumption that she tried to pay...and even if she didn't)
If the crime doesn't come up to the aggravated assault that Police inflict when they make an improper arrest, then why are they even touching her. Petty theft=citation... they shouldn't be legally able to do this to any one simply for not following their orders.
If the crime doesn't come up to the aggravated assault that Police inflict when they make an improper arrest, then why are they even touching her. Petty theft=citation... they shouldn't be legally able to do this to any one simply for not following their orders.
bw
Fringe Ranger
When I worked for the state police I found an old woman, clearly with some kind of dementia, who fell down in our compound and was just sitting there. I picked her up and carried her into our secretary's office. She weighed nothing at all. We called around, found the nursing home she wandered out of, and got her home.
I can't stop thinking of her, now that I've read this story. I cannot imagine the sort of psychopath who would have cuffed her, much less broken her arm.
I can't stop thinking of her, now that I've read this story. I cannot imagine the sort of psychopath who would have cuffed her, much less broken her arm.
libertylover
Contributing Member
I don't believe this for a minute. Wrong is wrong. I don't give a shit what color you are.
Oscar Wilde
Membership Revoked
Oscar Wilde
Membership Revoked
Jaybird
Veteran Member
I live in a good place with good law enforcement. I know this can come to my doorstep any day now. The police around here are people I know. Stay out of the cities. Know your neighbors. know your law enforcement officers. Not all of them are bad. Only about 50% should be strung up.
Milkweed Host
Veteran Member
I'm betting that these two scumbags will be in handcuffs within the next week or two.
I started to watch the video, but had to stop. I don't understand any of it. These two scumbags
are sick.
Criminal charges and a large payout are on the horizon.
This criminal behavior can not be ignored.
I started to watch the video, but had to stop. I don't understand any of it. These two scumbags
are sick.
Criminal charges and a large payout are on the horizon.
This criminal behavior can not be ignored.
DazedandConfused
Veteran Member
I see crap like this everyday ! Black white ot doesn't matter.
The bad cops now out way the good ones.
The bad cops now out way the good ones.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Post from the Loveland CO Facebook page---GOOD INFO---spread it far and wide:
If you want Police Accountability in Loveland demand it from council, the liaisons to LPD is Don Overcash and Steve Olson, both voted to give the City Manager authority to indemnity police officers. Demand better from council , they granted LPD the authoritarian superiority and complete unaccountability. This is the culture of LPD. You want better? Demand they are held accountable. Clean the council , clean the police department.
If you want Police Accountability in Loveland demand it from council, the liaisons to LPD is Don Overcash and Steve Olson, both voted to give the City Manager authority to indemnity police officers. Demand better from council , they granted LPD the authoritarian superiority and complete unaccountability. This is the culture of LPD. You want better? Demand they are held accountable. Clean the council , clean the police department.
After all the good cops are gone, these are the shitbags that are going to be left.
They knew they hurt that woman, whom they had no bussiness arresting anyways as there was no crime, the store got their merch back = no shoplifting.
Then left her in the cell broken and in pain...
going to cost dearly, and it should.
They knew they hurt that woman, whom they had no bussiness arresting anyways as there was no crime, the store got their merch back = no shoplifting.
Then left her in the cell broken and in pain...
going to cost dearly, and it should.
when the good ones cover up or look the other way
they become bad also
I remember watching a vid recently where 1 cop looks at the other
and says "turn off your cam"
IMO, The officer that first made contact with her was confrontational and power tripping from the get-go and set the stage for a confrontation. An 80-pound senior woman with flowers in her hand peacefully walking along the road was of little threat, she smiled and simply said "I am going home." The officer, IMO, could have approached her and the whole situation much differently-hindsight. SHAME on all of them though for displaying such disregard toward her as she sat in booking while the one officer admitted he heard her shoulder pop. She should have been checked out medically immediately once they knew it was blue star level and became aware of her age.
We could fill this thread with accounts. Maybe not quite as bad, but bad enough.
Diabetic issues. Strokes.
I know a guy that had an over-the-road truck-driver dad.
Had a stroke, side-swiped a disabled car on an interstate. Responding police drug him out of the cab-over on his face. (About a 6 foot drop)
Took him to jail. Other inmates begged for medical attention for the unresponsive guy. (They said he was drunk).
Following morning at shift change, the new shift called an ambulance. He lived as a vegetable after that. Couldn't walk or talk.
ANYTIME, a police gets caught "dead to rights" in a case like this, they should get ZERO mercy from criminal or civil courts.
For every policeperson's life ruined, maybe that will make others think.
ETA: A lawyer in that state told my friend and his mother there was nothing they could do...
He said it happened way too frequently in that state.
This was years ago in Tennessee
Diabetic issues. Strokes.
I know a guy that had an over-the-road truck-driver dad.
Had a stroke, side-swiped a disabled car on an interstate. Responding police drug him out of the cab-over on his face. (About a 6 foot drop)
Took him to jail. Other inmates begged for medical attention for the unresponsive guy. (They said he was drunk).
Following morning at shift change, the new shift called an ambulance. He lived as a vegetable after that. Couldn't walk or talk.
ANYTIME, a police gets caught "dead to rights" in a case like this, they should get ZERO mercy from criminal or civil courts.
For every policeperson's life ruined, maybe that will make others think.
ETA: A lawyer in that state told my friend and his mother there was nothing they could do...
He said it happened way too frequently in that state.
This was years ago in Tennessee
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You are correct. Only dreaming.
Oscar Wilde
Membership Revoked
It don't hurt to dream / fantasize. Sometimes it helps the mind to work out the disbelief, the absurdity, the moral decay.
My daughter's tormentor frequently visits my subconscious and given that he
also mistreated my grand baby, well ... the opportunity will eventually present.
I don't let the thought rest there too long.
O.W.
Steel Chips
Veteran Member
"“Ready for the pop? Here comes the pop.” The quote above is from a Loveland Police officer – Austin Hopp – said in reference to the sound it made when he dislocated and fractured Karen Garner’s shoulder."
Ms Garner is a 73 years old grandmother with possible dementia issues.
The city of loveland corporation hired the exact type of cop they wanted on their police force, i.e. sadistic, vicious dogs. Apparently, the city management, the true pigs, has filled their police force with psychopaths and sociopaths. However, the fault ultimately lies with the city voters, who chose their city leaders, who then chose the police chief.
The city of loveland corporation violated Ms. Garner’s civil rights. I hope the d.o.j. gets involved but unfortunately, she is white.
Regardless, the corporation’s liability insurance company is facing a huge out of court settlement. They wouldn’t dare take this to trial. It is doubtful the cops involved will be punished either, due to the magic of “qualified immunity” and corrupt police unions. (Peruse the CATO institute at cato.org)
I have often wondered if liability payouts are in the hundreds of millions of dollars every year due to bad cops in the US. Of course, some will say these are just a few bad apples, and not representative of the general cop population. I suspect they really do represent the average cop, and is just an extension of cop school training over the past several decades.
Now, how long before Ms. Garner is denigrated on here, and that she deserved her abuse, which is typically how cop behavior is defended by the badge bunnies, holster sniffers and assorted cop worshipers.
Ms Garner is a 73 years old grandmother with possible dementia issues.
The city of loveland corporation hired the exact type of cop they wanted on their police force, i.e. sadistic, vicious dogs. Apparently, the city management, the true pigs, has filled their police force with psychopaths and sociopaths. However, the fault ultimately lies with the city voters, who chose their city leaders, who then chose the police chief.
The city of loveland corporation violated Ms. Garner’s civil rights. I hope the d.o.j. gets involved but unfortunately, she is white.
Regardless, the corporation’s liability insurance company is facing a huge out of court settlement. They wouldn’t dare take this to trial. It is doubtful the cops involved will be punished either, due to the magic of “qualified immunity” and corrupt police unions. (Peruse the CATO institute at cato.org)
I have often wondered if liability payouts are in the hundreds of millions of dollars every year due to bad cops in the US. Of course, some will say these are just a few bad apples, and not representative of the general cop population. I suspect they really do represent the average cop, and is just an extension of cop school training over the past several decades.
Now, how long before Ms. Garner is denigrated on here, and that she deserved her abuse, which is typically how cop behavior is defended by the badge bunnies, holster sniffers and assorted cop worshipers.
custom2006
Senior Member
The people on here acting like this type of behavior is "new" and it's due to the "good" cops leaving their jobs and / or it's due to a "few bad apples" or it's only happening in Democrat cities, simply have not been paying attention or, the social engineering over the last several years for the people to love and adore the police and troops has worked just as designed!
Police brutality and corruption has been an epidemic for many, many years!!! The career of Police Office is on the top 10 list of careers that attracts Psychopath's ... there is a link between people who have a desire to control others and the careers that they choose!
policecrime.bgsu.edu
invisible.institute
Just remember when viewing the listed databases above, that every Cop who finally got arrested, surely did not get caught the first time he decided to break the law and as well, remember, for every Cop that finally gets caught, there is more just like him committing the same crimes! Until we start seeing body cameras of good cops arresting bad Cops when they commit a crime, nothing is going to change and we will get more of this ...
At least 93 Milwaukee police officers have been disciplined for violating law
>>> and they are still employed as Police Officers!!!
At least 93 Milwaukee police officers — ranking from street cop to captain — have been disciplined for violating the laws and ordinances they were sworn to uphold, a Journal Sentinel investigation found.
Their offenses range from sexual assault and domestic violence to drunken driving and shoplifting, according to internal affairs records. All still work for the Police Department, where they have the authority to make arrests, testify in court and patrol neighborhoods.
Officers who run afoul of the law often aren't fired or prosecuted, the newspaper found. Consider:
At least six officers disciplined by the department for illegal behavior suffered no legal consequences whatsoever. One was Reginald Hampton, accused of sexually assaulting two women he met on duty. Another was Mark Kapusta, suspended after a woman said he pointed a gun at her head during a drunken road-rage incident. Neither officer was charged or ticketed.
Twenty-three officers got breaks from prosecutors that allowed them to avoid being convicted of serious charges — or any charges at all — as long as they didn't commit more crimes and followed prosecutors' instructions. One was Patrick Fuhrman, originally charged with a felony for a beating that sent his wife to the hospital and, according to a witness, left blood in every room of their house. A conviction on that charge could have gotten him fired from the department, banned from carrying a gun for life and imprisoned for 3½ years. Instead, he ended up with two tickets for disorderly conduct.
Nine of the 93 officers were convicted of crimes. Some even spent time behind bars. Yet when their criminal cases were concluded, they went back to their careers with the Milwaukee police. At least one, John P. Corbett, was a police sergeant by day and an inmate by night. Convicted of driving drunk with a child in the car, Corbett did his job at the police station while on work release from jail. His 13-year-old daughter told authorities Corbett took the wheel after she got lost driving back from a tavern.
Police brutality and corruption has been an epidemic for many, many years!!! The career of Police Office is on the top 10 list of careers that attracts Psychopath's ... there is a link between people who have a desire to control others and the careers that they choose!
Search the list of more than 30,000 police officers banned by 44 states.
A USA TODAY Network investigation uncovered records of thousands of police officers investigated for serious misconduct.
www.usatoday.com
The Henry A. Wallace Police Crime Database
policecrime.bgsu.edu
Citizens Police Data Project — Invisible Institute
invisible.institute
Just remember when viewing the listed databases above, that every Cop who finally got arrested, surely did not get caught the first time he decided to break the law and as well, remember, for every Cop that finally gets caught, there is more just like him committing the same crimes! Until we start seeing body cameras of good cops arresting bad Cops when they commit a crime, nothing is going to change and we will get more of this ...
At least 93 Milwaukee police officers have been disciplined for violating law
>>> and they are still employed as Police Officers!!!
At least 93 Milwaukee police officers — ranking from street cop to captain — have been disciplined for violating the laws and ordinances they were sworn to uphold, a Journal Sentinel investigation found.
Their offenses range from sexual assault and domestic violence to drunken driving and shoplifting, according to internal affairs records. All still work for the Police Department, where they have the authority to make arrests, testify in court and patrol neighborhoods.
Officers who run afoul of the law often aren't fired or prosecuted, the newspaper found. Consider:
At least six officers disciplined by the department for illegal behavior suffered no legal consequences whatsoever. One was Reginald Hampton, accused of sexually assaulting two women he met on duty. Another was Mark Kapusta, suspended after a woman said he pointed a gun at her head during a drunken road-rage incident. Neither officer was charged or ticketed.
Twenty-three officers got breaks from prosecutors that allowed them to avoid being convicted of serious charges — or any charges at all — as long as they didn't commit more crimes and followed prosecutors' instructions. One was Patrick Fuhrman, originally charged with a felony for a beating that sent his wife to the hospital and, according to a witness, left blood in every room of their house. A conviction on that charge could have gotten him fired from the department, banned from carrying a gun for life and imprisoned for 3½ years. Instead, he ended up with two tickets for disorderly conduct.
Nine of the 93 officers were convicted of crimes. Some even spent time behind bars. Yet when their criminal cases were concluded, they went back to their careers with the Milwaukee police. At least one, John P. Corbett, was a police sergeant by day and an inmate by night. Convicted of driving drunk with a child in the car, Corbett did his job at the police station while on work release from jail. His 13-year-old daughter told authorities Corbett took the wheel after she got lost driving back from a tavern.
Both Sides of the Law: At least 93 Milwaukee police officers have been disciplined for violating law
From shoplifting to battery, some 93 officers faced few consequences for violations.
www.jsonline.com
custom2006
Senior Member
After reading the above, you have to wonder how many bad Cops there really are ... and then there is this!
"9 Ways Police Have More Protections Than You Do When They’re Arrested"
1. That an accused officer cannot be interrogated within 24 hours of an incident.
2. That complaints be expunged from an officer’s personnel file and destroyed after five years.
3. That complaints against an officer submitted more than 180 days after the contested incident be disqualified, along with complaints that require more than a year to investigate.
4. That civilian oversight boards are severely limited in their ability to penalize officers.
Police union contracts in Austin, Texas; Columbus, Ohio; and Seattle include all four of these provisions. Many of the municipal contracts also mandate that officers involved in shootings receive paid leave.
Here are a few of the provisions in the Union Contract for the Chicago Police Department ...
Provision 1: An officer should be interrogated while on duty, preferably during daylight hours.
Owens: “Police officers don’t have to care whether you’re not off work or just got off work or just got there. They arrest suspects whenever it’s convenient for them. I’ve seen interrogations start early in the morning or late at night and go all night when somebody should be asleep. So that is a protection not afforded [civilian] criminal suspects who are being interrogated by the police.”
Provision 2: Interrogations may take place only in specific locations: the officer’s usual workplace, the Independent Police Review Authority, the Internal Affairs Division, or another “appropriate” site.
Owens: “Regular suspects have no ability to determine where they will be interrogated. You often see suspects moved from room to room to room at a particular police station. Most of these rooms don’t have clocks, so it’s hard to determine how much time has transpired, which itself is disorienting. Obviously it would be different if the interrogation happened at a suspect’s house or at their place of work or someplace that’s comfortable. But usually a custodial interrogation occurs at the police station—so that’s already sort of a coercive environment. By contrast, the police contract allows officers to be questioned in a place that they’re most comfortable.”
Provision 3: Prior to an interrogation, the officer must be given the names of the person leading the investigation, the primary and secondary interrogators, and anyone else who will be present.
Owens: This seems corrupt. Think about one of the classic things you get when individuals are interrogated: good cop, bad cop. Part of that relies on the fact that you don’t know who this cop is—you don’t know if he’s really a good guy or a bad guy. And that’s a strategy that’s used to, again, disorient you. The police union contract seems to structure the exact opposite. You’ll know who it is, what their rank is, where they’re from. You may know who they’re politically aligned with—if you have friends in common. It gets to a real troubling aspect if you know who these people are, because it makes it seem like this is not an impartial search for the truth—it’s kind of rigged.
Provision 4: Two interrogators may not question an officer simultaneously. The secondary interrogator may speak when invited to by the primary, and should only be asking follow-up questions. The primary interrogator may speak again when the secondary is finished. No more than two investigators may be in the room at the same time.
Owens: “When individuals are being interrogated by police officers, there’s no rule that there be a primary or secondary interrogator. There’s no courtesy—one person talk at a time. There are no rules on what topics anybody can ask about. But you can understand why the police would want that. Because it can be confusing when you have people screaming random questions at you. I’ve seen cases where who interrogates you is shift-dependent. So you may have two or three detectives starting on one shift—they keep you in a room. Those guys sign off, and then two different guys come in. So there can be four, five, six, seven people involved.”
Provision 5: An officer must be given breaks to use the bathroom, eat, make phone calls, and rest during an interrogation. The length of the interrogation must be “reasonable.”
Owens: “There’s no time limit on [civilian] interrogations. Usually, there’s a constitutional thing where if you’re being held and they don’t have evidence, they have to let you go after 48 hours—which sometimes gets pushed to 72. But that’s a really long time. And there’s no requirement about food at your will. There’s no requirement about sleep or phone calls or rest or anything like that. They’re in complete control, and you have very few—if any—rights. In a number of cases, I’ve seen food used as an incentive to elicit an incriminating statement. ‘Look, man—you’ve been here 15 hours and we haven’t given you any food. You want some food? Just tell us what we want to know.'”
Provision 6: Interrogators may not threaten an officer with transfer, dismissal, or other disciplinary action—or offer a reward for providing information.
Owens: “That’s consistent with rules that you would see for average suspects. And this gets to the issues of coercion and voluntary statements. Promises of leniency are supposed to be forbidden. However, this raises a second issue—how do these rules play out? The question becomes, how explicit does an officer have to be for there to be an actual promise of leniency that is forbidden? And the lines get murky. ‘Tell us this information and you can go home.’ ‘Tell us this information and we’ll give you some food.’ ‘Oh—are you worried about getting back to somebody who could be in danger? Give us this information.’ So you see things just short of that all the time that sound like offers and promises that would motivate somebody to act.”
Provision 7: A copy of all statements, written or recorded, made by an officer must be given to the officer within 72 hours of when the statements were made. If he/she is interrogated again during that period, the officer must be given a copy of his previous statements before he is questioned again.
Owens: “You can understand why the police would want that: They can surmount their defense. They can keep their story together. Interrogators try to catch people in lies. If you have a copy of every story that you’ve given, it’s going to be easier to tell that story again and again. That is not at all what you see with any [civilian] criminal defendant. Information asymmetry is one of the things that’s supposed to make the interrogation effective.”
Provision 8: Officers cannot be disciplined for refusing to take a lie detector test, and the results are not admissible in court unless mandated by law or court order. If an officer is required to take the test, the complainant must also take the test. If the complainant refuses, the officer does not have to take the test.
Owens: “That’s a mixed one. In most courts and many proceedings, lie detector tests are not admissible anyway. They’re considered totally unreliable. Joe Blow on the street probably doesn’t know that, but an officer does. And so there’s information asymmetry. The [detectives] say, ‘If you’re telling us that this happened, will you give us a lie detector test?’ And the guy says, ‘Yes.’ And then the officers tell him, ‘Oh, you failed the test.’ And, in fact, the polygraph test becomes a method of eliciting a statement because it provides more pressure. You think you have failed something about the truth. But the officer’s contract sets up the exact opposite. One: You’re going to know about this in advance. Two: You have certain rights about it. And it’s a two-way street. There’s no requirement that regular suspects be allowed to put whoever has implicated them through a polygraph test.”
Here is a list of Police Contracts from over 100 cities in America ...
www.checkthepolice.org
"9 Ways Police Have More Protections Than You Do When They’re Arrested"
1. That an accused officer cannot be interrogated within 24 hours of an incident.
2. That complaints be expunged from an officer’s personnel file and destroyed after five years.
3. That complaints against an officer submitted more than 180 days after the contested incident be disqualified, along with complaints that require more than a year to investigate.
4. That civilian oversight boards are severely limited in their ability to penalize officers.
Police union contracts in Austin, Texas; Columbus, Ohio; and Seattle include all four of these provisions. Many of the municipal contracts also mandate that officers involved in shootings receive paid leave.
Here are a few of the provisions in the Union Contract for the Chicago Police Department ...
Provision 1: An officer should be interrogated while on duty, preferably during daylight hours.
Owens: “Police officers don’t have to care whether you’re not off work or just got off work or just got there. They arrest suspects whenever it’s convenient for them. I’ve seen interrogations start early in the morning or late at night and go all night when somebody should be asleep. So that is a protection not afforded [civilian] criminal suspects who are being interrogated by the police.”
Provision 2: Interrogations may take place only in specific locations: the officer’s usual workplace, the Independent Police Review Authority, the Internal Affairs Division, or another “appropriate” site.
Owens: “Regular suspects have no ability to determine where they will be interrogated. You often see suspects moved from room to room to room at a particular police station. Most of these rooms don’t have clocks, so it’s hard to determine how much time has transpired, which itself is disorienting. Obviously it would be different if the interrogation happened at a suspect’s house or at their place of work or someplace that’s comfortable. But usually a custodial interrogation occurs at the police station—so that’s already sort of a coercive environment. By contrast, the police contract allows officers to be questioned in a place that they’re most comfortable.”
Provision 3: Prior to an interrogation, the officer must be given the names of the person leading the investigation, the primary and secondary interrogators, and anyone else who will be present.
Owens: This seems corrupt. Think about one of the classic things you get when individuals are interrogated: good cop, bad cop. Part of that relies on the fact that you don’t know who this cop is—you don’t know if he’s really a good guy or a bad guy. And that’s a strategy that’s used to, again, disorient you. The police union contract seems to structure the exact opposite. You’ll know who it is, what their rank is, where they’re from. You may know who they’re politically aligned with—if you have friends in common. It gets to a real troubling aspect if you know who these people are, because it makes it seem like this is not an impartial search for the truth—it’s kind of rigged.
Provision 4: Two interrogators may not question an officer simultaneously. The secondary interrogator may speak when invited to by the primary, and should only be asking follow-up questions. The primary interrogator may speak again when the secondary is finished. No more than two investigators may be in the room at the same time.
Owens: “When individuals are being interrogated by police officers, there’s no rule that there be a primary or secondary interrogator. There’s no courtesy—one person talk at a time. There are no rules on what topics anybody can ask about. But you can understand why the police would want that. Because it can be confusing when you have people screaming random questions at you. I’ve seen cases where who interrogates you is shift-dependent. So you may have two or three detectives starting on one shift—they keep you in a room. Those guys sign off, and then two different guys come in. So there can be four, five, six, seven people involved.”
Provision 5: An officer must be given breaks to use the bathroom, eat, make phone calls, and rest during an interrogation. The length of the interrogation must be “reasonable.”
Owens: “There’s no time limit on [civilian] interrogations. Usually, there’s a constitutional thing where if you’re being held and they don’t have evidence, they have to let you go after 48 hours—which sometimes gets pushed to 72. But that’s a really long time. And there’s no requirement about food at your will. There’s no requirement about sleep or phone calls or rest or anything like that. They’re in complete control, and you have very few—if any—rights. In a number of cases, I’ve seen food used as an incentive to elicit an incriminating statement. ‘Look, man—you’ve been here 15 hours and we haven’t given you any food. You want some food? Just tell us what we want to know.'”
Provision 6: Interrogators may not threaten an officer with transfer, dismissal, or other disciplinary action—or offer a reward for providing information.
Owens: “That’s consistent with rules that you would see for average suspects. And this gets to the issues of coercion and voluntary statements. Promises of leniency are supposed to be forbidden. However, this raises a second issue—how do these rules play out? The question becomes, how explicit does an officer have to be for there to be an actual promise of leniency that is forbidden? And the lines get murky. ‘Tell us this information and you can go home.’ ‘Tell us this information and we’ll give you some food.’ ‘Oh—are you worried about getting back to somebody who could be in danger? Give us this information.’ So you see things just short of that all the time that sound like offers and promises that would motivate somebody to act.”
Provision 7: A copy of all statements, written or recorded, made by an officer must be given to the officer within 72 hours of when the statements were made. If he/she is interrogated again during that period, the officer must be given a copy of his previous statements before he is questioned again.
Owens: “You can understand why the police would want that: They can surmount their defense. They can keep their story together. Interrogators try to catch people in lies. If you have a copy of every story that you’ve given, it’s going to be easier to tell that story again and again. That is not at all what you see with any [civilian] criminal defendant. Information asymmetry is one of the things that’s supposed to make the interrogation effective.”
Provision 8: Officers cannot be disciplined for refusing to take a lie detector test, and the results are not admissible in court unless mandated by law or court order. If an officer is required to take the test, the complainant must also take the test. If the complainant refuses, the officer does not have to take the test.
Owens: “That’s a mixed one. In most courts and many proceedings, lie detector tests are not admissible anyway. They’re considered totally unreliable. Joe Blow on the street probably doesn’t know that, but an officer does. And so there’s information asymmetry. The [detectives] say, ‘If you’re telling us that this happened, will you give us a lie detector test?’ And the guy says, ‘Yes.’ And then the officers tell him, ‘Oh, you failed the test.’ And, in fact, the polygraph test becomes a method of eliciting a statement because it provides more pressure. You think you have failed something about the truth. But the officer’s contract sets up the exact opposite. One: You’re going to know about this in advance. Two: You have certain rights about it. And it’s a two-way street. There’s no requirement that regular suspects be allowed to put whoever has implicated them through a polygraph test.”
Here is a list of Police Contracts from over 100 cities in America ...
Police Contracts Database — Check The Police
Access police union contracts and other documents related to police accountability for the 100 largest U.S. cities.
www.checkthepolice.org
Loveland Police Officers Placed on Leave Over Karen Garner Arrest
www.newsweek.com
Colorado authorities have placed four officers on leave as they continue their investigation into the arrest of Karen Garner, a 73-year-old woman who has dementia.
According to 9News in Denver, Loveland Police Department officers Austin Hopp and Daria Jalali, Sergeant Phil Metzler and community service officer Tyler Blackett are all on administrative leave.
Garner's attorney, Sarah Schielke, has released a video that shows Hopp, Jalali and Metzler watching bodycam footage of Garner's arrest in the Loveland PD booking office. In the clip, Hopp appears to brag about the incident, telling Jalali: "I thought it went great. I think we crushed it."
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Loveland Police Officers Placed on Leave Over Karen Garner Arrest
Karen Garner, who is 73 and has dementia, suffered a fractured elbow and a dislocated shoulder during the arrest, according to her attorney.
www.newsweek.com
Colorado authorities have placed four officers on leave as they continue their investigation into the arrest of Karen Garner, a 73-year-old woman who has dementia.
According to 9News in Denver, Loveland Police Department officers Austin Hopp and Daria Jalali, Sergeant Phil Metzler and community service officer Tyler Blackett are all on administrative leave.
Garner's attorney, Sarah Schielke, has released a video that shows Hopp, Jalali and Metzler watching bodycam footage of Garner's arrest in the Loveland PD booking office. In the clip, Hopp appears to brag about the incident, telling Jalali: "I thought it went great. I think we crushed it."
READ MORE
Woman with dementia sues city of Loveland, police officers, alleging excessive use of force in 2020 arrest
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A Loveland, Colorado, police officer is on administrative leave and two other officers have been reassigned to administrative duties after a federal civil rights lawsuit alleging excessive use of force was filed against the city of Loveland and the three officers.
The lawsuit, filed April 14, alleges that 73-year-old Karen Garner was forcibly arrested last June for allegedly shoplifting from a Walmart.
According to the lawsuit, Garner has dementia and suffered multiple injuries, including a broken humerus, a dislocated shoulder and a sprained wrist, after she was taken to the ground and handcuffed by an officer on June 26 as she was walking along a road.
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The complaint described Garner as 5 feet tall and weighing 80 pounds. The suit claims she accidentally left the store, forgetting to pay for $14 in items.
According to both police and the lawsuit, Walmart employees stopped Garner and took the items back.
CNN obtained the police body camera footage from the office of Garner's attorney.
The video shows Loveland Police Officer Austin Hopp knocking Garner to the ground within 30 seconds after he first got on scene and attempting to detain her.
Garner repeatedly told Hopp that she was going home as he held her down on the ground alongside the road.
"After a short struggle, she is now detained," Hopp says over his radio, with Garner calling out "don't do that" from the ground.
"I told you to stop, you don't get to act this way," he tells her.
Garner was wrestled to the ground within 30 seconds of a police officer exiting his patrol car.
The bodycam footage shows the officer pulling Garner off the ground as he tries to get her into the police car.
"Right now you're resisting, which is not going to fly with me, and before that you tried to steal from Walmart and they caught you and took the stuff back," he tells her as he pushes her toward the police vehicle.
Witness attempted to intervene
According to the lawsuit, Garner suffers from dementia and sensory aphasia, which limited her ability to understand what was occurring.
"I'm going home," Garner continues to insist.
Another police officer arrives on scene and walks up to Garner, who is pressed against the police car.
"Quit," the second officer says, as Garner slides down to the ground and says "Ow."
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Hopp searches Garner and she struggles with the officers as they try to get her in the car.
A witness attempts to intervene. "Do you have to use that much aggression?" he asks the officers.
"What are you doing, get out of here, this is not your business," Hopp tells him.
The witness asks Hopp for his sergeant's name and tells the officer he saw him "throw the little kid."
"She's not a little kid," Hopp says, adding, "I have to use force to safely detain her, that's what this is. This isn't just some random act of aggression."
"Before you go to a snap judgment, you've got to get all of the facts," he tells the witness.
Several minutes later, a Loveland police sergeant arrives on scene and speaks to both officers.
"A little bloody, a little muddy, that's how it works," the female officer says.
"Is the blood on her?" the sergeant asks.
"Yeah, that's her blood," Hopp replies.
District attorney's office will review incident
The bodycam video also shows the officers processing Garner at the police station where she repeatedly tells them she was going to pay for the items.
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The 8th Judicial District Attorney's Office of Colorado said a previous administration dismissed Garner's case and "no investigation regarding any improper use of force has been presented to our office."
The district attorney's office said it will review the incident and consider if an independent criminal investigation is needed.
The Loveland Police Department said in a statement that it first learned of the incident via an edited bodycam video posted to its Facebook page on April 14.
"LPD takes very seriously the allegations concerning the arrest of resident Karen Garner, and shares with the community the concerns about video images that became public on Wednesday," the police statement said.
CNN has contacted the Loveland Police Officers Association for comment. It's not clear if Hopp has an attorney and attempts to reach the officer were unsuccessful.
Woman with dementia sues city of Loveland, police officers, alleging excessive use of force in 2020 arrest | CNN
A Loveland, Colorado, police officer is on administrative leave and two other officers have been reassigned to administrative duties after a federal civil rights lawsuit alleging excessive use of force was filed against the city of Loveland and the three officers.
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The lawsuit, filed April 14, alleges that 73-year-old Karen Garner was forcibly arrested last June for allegedly shoplifting from a Walmart.
According to the lawsuit, Garner has dementia and suffered multiple injuries, including a broken humerus, a dislocated shoulder and a sprained wrist, after she was taken to the ground and handcuffed by an officer on June 26 as she was walking along a road.
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The complaint described Garner as 5 feet tall and weighing 80 pounds. The suit claims she accidentally left the store, forgetting to pay for $14 in items.
According to both police and the lawsuit, Walmart employees stopped Garner and took the items back.
CNN obtained the police body camera footage from the office of Garner's attorney.
The video shows Loveland Police Officer Austin Hopp knocking Garner to the ground within 30 seconds after he first got on scene and attempting to detain her.
Garner repeatedly told Hopp that she was going home as he held her down on the ground alongside the road.
"After a short struggle, she is now detained," Hopp says over his radio, with Garner calling out "don't do that" from the ground.
"I told you to stop, you don't get to act this way," he tells her.
Garner was wrestled to the ground within 30 seconds of a police officer exiting his patrol car.
The bodycam footage shows the officer pulling Garner off the ground as he tries to get her into the police car.
"Right now you're resisting, which is not going to fly with me, and before that you tried to steal from Walmart and they caught you and took the stuff back," he tells her as he pushes her toward the police vehicle.
Witness attempted to intervene
According to the lawsuit, Garner suffers from dementia and sensory aphasia, which limited her ability to understand what was occurring.
"I'm going home," Garner continues to insist.
Another police officer arrives on scene and walks up to Garner, who is pressed against the police car.
"Quit," the second officer says, as Garner slides down to the ground and says "Ow."
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Hopp searches Garner and she struggles with the officers as they try to get her in the car.
A witness attempts to intervene. "Do you have to use that much aggression?" he asks the officers.
"What are you doing, get out of here, this is not your business," Hopp tells him.
The witness asks Hopp for his sergeant's name and tells the officer he saw him "throw the little kid."
"She's not a little kid," Hopp says, adding, "I have to use force to safely detain her, that's what this is. This isn't just some random act of aggression."
"Before you go to a snap judgment, you've got to get all of the facts," he tells the witness.
Several minutes later, a Loveland police sergeant arrives on scene and speaks to both officers.
"A little bloody, a little muddy, that's how it works," the female officer says.
"Is the blood on her?" the sergeant asks.
"Yeah, that's her blood," Hopp replies.
District attorney's office will review incident
The bodycam video also shows the officers processing Garner at the police station where she repeatedly tells them she was going to pay for the items.
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The 8th Judicial District Attorney's Office of Colorado said a previous administration dismissed Garner's case and "no investigation regarding any improper use of force has been presented to our office."
The district attorney's office said it will review the incident and consider if an independent criminal investigation is needed.
The Loveland Police Department said in a statement that it first learned of the incident via an edited bodycam video posted to its Facebook page on April 14.
"LPD takes very seriously the allegations concerning the arrest of resident Karen Garner, and shares with the community the concerns about video images that became public on Wednesday," the police statement said.
CNN has contacted the Loveland Police Officers Association for comment. It's not clear if Hopp has an attorney and attempts to reach the officer were unsuccessful.
This has gone one for years, bad caps tarnish the goods cops. I had a dear friend's son beaten so badly he had life altering seizure for the rest of his lift until he died. His crime was twirling his key ring in his finger and it flew off and broke a window at his apartment. He had a 700.00 security deposit on the rental, so it was needless. They handcuffed him and as he descended stairs to parkin lot they pushed him because he kicked at one of them. He fell head first down the stair and was loaded into the paddy wagon and hauled to jail. He had no 1 call because he was unconscious. Next morning when his parent found him they bailed him out and called ambulance to take him to hospital. His head was the size of a watermelon by then.
I have told all my nephews don't resist in anyway because you might be a big bad football player and you get this small town PD piss-ant deputy but he will call for backup and they will beat you down.
I have told all my nephews don't resist in anyway because you might be a big bad football player and you get this small town PD piss-ant deputy but he will call for backup and they will beat you down.
The evidence pretty much establishes the popo are messed up here.
One tangent worth mentioning may be Walmart's culpability.
I live in small world Appalachia. I have been told our wally world doesn't even attempt to prosecute people "who appear over 60 years old".
Reason I know this is a guy we know gets followed by an employee whenever he is seen entering the store.
They just try to keep him from stealing them blind.
He's not senile, just a thief. His antics over insurance fraud have been EPIC for decades. Never been punished.
Maybe each store or each region gets to make corporate decisions concerning theft.
Not detracting from police misconduct nor trying to rationalize shoplifting. Just pointing out that wally world played a hand how this went down. You put their employees under oath, I bet they knew she was impaired mentally.
Some lawyers are gonna get rich tying this story together. Jmho
One tangent worth mentioning may be Walmart's culpability.
I live in small world Appalachia. I have been told our wally world doesn't even attempt to prosecute people "who appear over 60 years old".
Reason I know this is a guy we know gets followed by an employee whenever he is seen entering the store.
They just try to keep him from stealing them blind.
He's not senile, just a thief. His antics over insurance fraud have been EPIC for decades. Never been punished.
Maybe each store or each region gets to make corporate decisions concerning theft.
Not detracting from police misconduct nor trying to rationalize shoplifting. Just pointing out that wally world played a hand how this went down. You put their employees under oath, I bet they knew she was impaired mentally.
Some lawyers are gonna get rich tying this story together. Jmho
Raggedyman
Res ipsa loquitur
100% correct. I have very little hope for the future of this country.
Oscar Wilde
Membership Revoked
Perhaps some more sensitivity training ....
How is it that ALL goobermint entities at practically all levels enjoy protection of unions,
providing the ability to extort we peepses (has occurred on numerous occasions) and
protect members from any liability, personal or otherwise.
The one exception is the military. Had we been unionized ... well, the world would
be a much different place right now.
O.W.
How is it that ALL goobermint entities at practically all levels enjoy protection of unions,
providing the ability to extort we peepses (has occurred on numerous occasions) and
protect members from any liability, personal or otherwise.
The one exception is the military. Had we been unionized ... well, the world would
be a much different place right now.
O.W.
I'm doing something a little different since I figure they won't read or listen to messages people are leaving, so I sent this: Ship Your Friends an Embarrassing Box Prank: MicroPenisCure.
Addressed to the cop that dislocated her arm, sent a little humiliation his way.
NOTE: I didn't post a pic of the mailing tube that's being sent as it may be a little too over the top to post here, you can see it at the link. I wish a couple hundred more people would do this and it really would send a message that they can't ignore.
Henry Bowman
Veteran Member
Yes but did the cops get home ok ? Because that is what is important, thin blue line and all.
Henry Bowman
Veteran Member
So all of those so called "Good Cops" do they go after the bad ones?
Because everyone always says this but if they outnumber the bad ones should they no be arresting them ?
Annnnndddd, they're gone!
Three Colorado cops resign after their merciless mocking of a violent arrest of a 73-year-old lady with dementia was caught on video
Revealed: 22:20 BST, 30 April 2021 | Up to date: 22:20 BST, 30 April 2021
A Colorado police division introduced that three cops concerned within the violent arrest of a 73-year-old lady with dementia are not employed there.
Loveland Police Chief Bob Ticer introduced Friday that officers Austin Hopp and Daria Jalali, and neighborhood service officer Tyler Blackett, are not employed by his division.
Division spokesman Tom Hacker later confirmed that they had resigned, CBS reported.
The chief additionally issued a public apology for the habits of the officers. ‘Our objective on the Loveland Police Division has at all times been to make our neighborhood proud,’ Ticer stated. ‘We failed and we’re very sorry for that.’
‘What you noticed on the video was not the Loveland Police Division. It harm to see that.’
Loveland Police Chief Bob Ticer (pictured) introduced that officers Austin Hopp, Daria Jalali and neighborhood service officer Tyler Blackett are not employed by his division
DailyMail.com revealed that officers Austin Hopp and Daria Jalali (pictured) are in a romantic relationship and moved in collectively whereas Hopp was nonetheless married
Bodycam footage captured the arrest of 73-year-old Karen Garner (pictured) who was slammed to the bottom by officer Hopp after she repeatedly stated: ‘I am going dwelling’
In June 2020, Karen Garner was arrested by Hopp and Jalali after she left a Colorado Walmart with out paying for $13 value of things. Earlier than Garner’s arrest, the shop recovered the objects and knowledgeable police earlier than they arrived.
The responding officers discovered Garner selecting flowers by the facet of the highway. Bodycam footage captured them slamming the 73-year-old to the bottom as they arrested her whereas she cried out in confusion.
She was then taken to the native police station the place she sat in a jail holding cell awaiting reserving for six hours, crying in ache over her arm accidents.
Hopp and Jalali had been caught on safety video fist-bumping one another and joking over footage of the arrest, alongside officer Tyler Blackett, whereas Garner might be heard from the holding cell begging for assist.
A federal lawsuit filed on Garner’s behalf names a complete of 5 officers concerned within the arrest or who had been on the jail, together with the three who resigned and Sgt. Phil Metzler, who stays with the division however is on administrative go away. It accuses them of violating her civil rights.
DailyMail.com revealed that Hopp and Jalali are in a romantic relationship and moved in collectively whereas Hopp was nonetheless married.
The video went viral this month after it was launched with the lawsuit, which additionally names town of Loveland, thedenverchannel.com reported. It alleges the officers used extreme power whereas arresting Garner and failed to offer her with correct medical care or to intervene when the alleged extreme power was getting used.
Garner (pictured) was transported to an area police station the place she sat in a jail holding cell awaiting reserving for six hours crying in ache over her arm accidents
Images taken within the aftermath of the arrest present Garner with a severely bruised and swollen arm
‘For the six hours that Ms. Garner was saved in custody by Loveland and the jail, regardless of many jokes made about her being disabled and mentally unfit, nobody tried to find Ms. Garner’s caregiver, console or assist her, de-escalate her, or alert her family members to her horrible scenario,’ the lawsuit says.
Garner was finally identified with a fractured arm, dislocated shoulder in addition to a sprained wrist and was coated in scrapes and bruises, in accordance the lawsuit.
She has by no means regained full mobility in her arm, her lawyer Sarah Shielke instructed DailyMail.com.
She nonetheless wants assist with on a regular basis duties like getting dressed or showering, Shielke stated, due to her accidents.
The incident is presently below felony investigations on the request of the district lawyer in addition to an inner affairs investigation dealt with by town’s human assets director, Ticer stated.
Three Colorado cops resign after their merciless mocking of a violent arrest of a 73-year-old lady with dementia was caught on video
- Loveland Police Chief Bob Ticer introduced officers Austin Hopp, Daria Jalali and neighborhood service officer Tyler Blackett are not employed by his division
- ‘What you noticed on the video was not the Loveland Police Division’ the chief instructed reporters on Friday
- The resignations come amid a lawsuit filed on behalf of Karen Garner, 73, who was arrested in June 2020 by the officers after she left a Colorado Walmart with out paying for $13 value of things
- The officers slammed the 73-year-old to the bottom as they arrested her whereas she cried out in confusion
- Officers Hopp and Jalali had been caught on safety video fist-bumping one another and joking about her arrest as they watched the bodycam footage
- DailyMail.com revealed that officers Hopp and Jalali are in a romantic relationship and moved in collectively whereas officer Hopp was nonetheless married
Revealed: 22:20 BST, 30 April 2021 | Up to date: 22:20 BST, 30 April 2021
A Colorado police division introduced that three cops concerned within the violent arrest of a 73-year-old lady with dementia are not employed there.
Loveland Police Chief Bob Ticer introduced Friday that officers Austin Hopp and Daria Jalali, and neighborhood service officer Tyler Blackett, are not employed by his division.
Division spokesman Tom Hacker later confirmed that they had resigned, CBS reported.
The chief additionally issued a public apology for the habits of the officers. ‘Our objective on the Loveland Police Division has at all times been to make our neighborhood proud,’ Ticer stated. ‘We failed and we’re very sorry for that.’
‘What you noticed on the video was not the Loveland Police Division. It harm to see that.’
Loveland Police Chief Bob Ticer (pictured) introduced that officers Austin Hopp, Daria Jalali and neighborhood service officer Tyler Blackett are not employed by his division
DailyMail.com revealed that officers Austin Hopp and Daria Jalali (pictured) are in a romantic relationship and moved in collectively whereas Hopp was nonetheless married
Bodycam footage captured the arrest of 73-year-old Karen Garner (pictured) who was slammed to the bottom by officer Hopp after she repeatedly stated: ‘I am going dwelling’
In June 2020, Karen Garner was arrested by Hopp and Jalali after she left a Colorado Walmart with out paying for $13 value of things. Earlier than Garner’s arrest, the shop recovered the objects and knowledgeable police earlier than they arrived.
The responding officers discovered Garner selecting flowers by the facet of the highway. Bodycam footage captured them slamming the 73-year-old to the bottom as they arrested her whereas she cried out in confusion.
She was then taken to the native police station the place she sat in a jail holding cell awaiting reserving for six hours, crying in ache over her arm accidents.
Hopp and Jalali had been caught on safety video fist-bumping one another and joking over footage of the arrest, alongside officer Tyler Blackett, whereas Garner might be heard from the holding cell begging for assist.
A federal lawsuit filed on Garner’s behalf names a complete of 5 officers concerned within the arrest or who had been on the jail, together with the three who resigned and Sgt. Phil Metzler, who stays with the division however is on administrative go away. It accuses them of violating her civil rights.
DailyMail.com revealed that Hopp and Jalali are in a romantic relationship and moved in collectively whereas Hopp was nonetheless married.
The video went viral this month after it was launched with the lawsuit, which additionally names town of Loveland, thedenverchannel.com reported. It alleges the officers used extreme power whereas arresting Garner and failed to offer her with correct medical care or to intervene when the alleged extreme power was getting used.
Garner (pictured) was transported to an area police station the place she sat in a jail holding cell awaiting reserving for six hours crying in ache over her arm accidents
Images taken within the aftermath of the arrest present Garner with a severely bruised and swollen arm
‘For the six hours that Ms. Garner was saved in custody by Loveland and the jail, regardless of many jokes made about her being disabled and mentally unfit, nobody tried to find Ms. Garner’s caregiver, console or assist her, de-escalate her, or alert her family members to her horrible scenario,’ the lawsuit says.
Garner was finally identified with a fractured arm, dislocated shoulder in addition to a sprained wrist and was coated in scrapes and bruises, in accordance the lawsuit.
She has by no means regained full mobility in her arm, her lawyer Sarah Shielke instructed DailyMail.com.
She nonetheless wants assist with on a regular basis duties like getting dressed or showering, Shielke stated, due to her accidents.
The incident is presently below felony investigations on the request of the district lawyer in addition to an inner affairs investigation dealt with by town’s human assets director, Ticer stated.
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Fringe Ranger
Ourdia-medium? Jannah news? Sounds Indian. Who is this? Clearly not written by a native English-speaker. Is this what we're reduced to in covering American issues? AAAARGHH!