ALERT Justification by CDC for Democrats to set up Concentration camps

mikeabn

Finally not a lurker!
Death camps pure and simple. People targeted for these camps by definition need medical care.
Diabetes, heart problems, COPD, etc. all need extra medical care and drugs. Great way to reduce expenses.
The Germans under AH had a MASSIVE euthanasia campaign based on costs to keep people like this- PEOPLE LIKE US! - alive and all the ways the $ (well, RM) could be better spent. This will be even more seductive when an inheritance is pending.
 

John Wall

Senior Member
As one who trained Law Enforcement in another life, I can say with authority that SWAT is not trained to neutralize defenders set up in an Enfilade, Defilade, or other types of military style defensive techniques. They are trained to acquire targets in an urban setting, i.e., going in buildings and neutralizing occupants at spitting distance by using overwhelming force, or neutralizing lone wolf armed offenders at relatively short distances, under 250 yards. Very few Designated Marksmen in Law Enforcement are trained to shoot over 250 yards. Military is a different situation, and may be trained to engage a target at distances exceeding one kilometer.

A dozen or so trained rifle shooters with high performance firearms using the Enfilade or Defilade technique will give most any civilian Law Enforcement team more than they can handle. A poorly trained Lone Wolf is easy to neutralize. A single defender in their home will not have a good ending.

Not recommending anything, just sayin'.
 

SpokaneMan

Veteran Member
I ponder of this move will push people more conservative. It really could have a negative effect on Uncle Sugar if so. There is no way even progressives would be okay with this. This will turn their Utopian dream into a Dystopia right quick.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Hmmmmm, ever play Dungeons & Dragons?

How about a bag of tricks full of devious deeds and deadly devices.....??

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ohiohippie

Veteran Member
This lays out, or tries to, JUSTIFY IMPRISONING INNOCENT PEOPLE WITHOUT TRIAL, OR EVEN THEIR CONSENT! They say they can get rid of the lockdowns , masks, and other precautions and limitations Of the general population if we submit to “sheilding (read imprisoning) certain, “at risk populations”!
For Arresting, relocating, AND actually IMPRISONING, HEALTHY, INNOCENT, mostly older, US Citizens that have “underlying conditions” they deem make us “high risk” to catch COVID19, forbidding contact with family, friends, and other “low risk Americans”. I do not doubt that the first arrested will be conservatives, Christians, Republicans, writers, speakers, and people with influence. Their document asserts they will be kept under MINIMAL Humane conditions indefinately! Nothing I read provides for their release! They say they estimate 6 months to implement this!
There is another thread about this, https://www.timebomb2000.com/xf/ind...nfections-in-humanitarian-settings.589887/but the title is bad and few are reading it!
Most of us expected something like this sooner than later.
 

xtreme_right

Veteran Member
I didn’t realize how much farther along New Zealand is. I can’t tell if this is only for travelers or for all their citizens.

Quarantine | Managed isolation and quarantine
Quarantine
If you have COVID-19, or if there is reason to believe you might have COVID-19, then you will need to stay in a quarantine facility for at least 14 days.

People in a quarantine facility are those who have been diagnosed with COVID-19, have COVID-19 symptoms or have been in close contact with someone with suspected, probable or confirmed COVID-19 in the past 14 days.
Otherwise, you will stay in a managed isolation facility, which is for people who are well but have a risk of having COVID-19, for example, after having arrived from overseas.
Both types of facilities are located within hotels, separate from each other.
Quarantine facilities have increased health, safety, and cleaning measures, and additional restrictions on your movements.
There are no exemptions from quarantine for people with COVID-19 or COVID-19 symptoms.
Leaving quarantine
You will be able to leave quarantine after you have:
  • spent at least 14 days in quarantine, and
  • been free of COVID-19 symptoms for at least 72 hours.
You will also need to have an onward travel plan and tell us about where you plan to be staying.
 

Craftypatches

Veteran Member
Everything fits now that I think back and worked at medical facilities. The plan of Obamacare from Obama was so the government would get its hooks in the Healthcare field. At that time everything that was in paper records had to be digitalized. This plan gave government every medical record on every person. They know your health history so they would later come up with the Covid and have records on every person. They are now able to sort people by health conditions and take them away and “take care of them”.
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
As one who trained Law Enforcement in another life, I can say with authority that SWAT is not trained to neutralize defenders set up in an Enfilade, Defilade, or other types of military style defensive techniques. They are trained to acquire targets in an urban setting, i.e., going in buildings and neutralizing occupants at spitting distance by using overwhelming force, or neutralizing lone wolf armed offenders at relatively short distances, under 250 yards. Very few Designated Marksmen in Law Enforcement are trained to shoot over 250 yards. Military is a different situation, and may be trained to engage a target at distances exceeding one kilometer.

A dozen or so trained rifle shooters with high performance firearms using the Enfilade or Defilade technique will give most any civilian Law Enforcement team more than they can handle. A poorly trained Lone Wolf is easy to neutralize. A single defender in their home will not have a good ending.

Not recommending anything, just sayin'.
All good points.
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Meanwhile the Moorish Sovereign Citizens will take over your home while you are there.
I believe there are some members here, that if the Moorish Sovereign citizens attack, their yards will look like the aftermath at Roarks Drift !!!
 

155 arty

Veteran Member
This lays out, or tries to, JUSTIFY IMPRISONING INNOCENT PEOPLE WITHOUT TRIAL, OR EVEN THEIR CONSENT! They say they can get rid of the lockdowns , masks, and other precautions and limitations Of the general population if we submit to “sheilding (read imprisoning) certain, “at risk populations”!
For Arresting, relocating, AND actually IMPRISONING, HEALTHY, INNOCENT, mostly older, US Citizens that have “underlying conditions” they deem make us “high risk” to catch COVID19, forbidding contact with family, friends, and other “low risk Americans”. I do not doubt that the first arrested will be conservatives, Christians, Republicans, writers, speakers, and people with influence. Their document asserts they will be kept under MINIMAL Humane conditions indefinately! Nothing I read provides for their release! They say they estimate 6 months to implement this!
There is another thread about this, https://www.timebomb2000.com/xf/ind...nfections-in-humanitarian-settings.589887/but the title is bad and few are reading it!
Trying to do the same in canada!!!!;so I'm going to believe it ....it was brought up in parliament about 2 months ago
 

155 arty

Veteran Member
The Germans under AH had a MASSIVE euthanasia campaign based on costs to keep people like this- PEOPLE LIKE US! - alive and all the ways the $ (well, RM) could be better spent. This will be even more seductive when an inheritance is pending.
That's how it all started in germany in the 30's
 

155 arty

Veteran Member
I didn’t realize how much farther along New Zealand is. I can’t tell if this is only for travelers or for all their citizens.

Quarantine | Managed isolation and quarantine
Quarantine
If you have COVID-19, or if there is reason to believe you might have COVID-19, then you will need to stay in a quarantine facility for at least 14 days.

People in a quarantine facility are those who have been diagnosed with COVID-19, have COVID-19 symptoms or have been in close contact with someone with suspected, probable or confirmed COVID-19 in the past 14 days.
Otherwise, you will stay in a managed isolation facility, which is for people who are well but have a risk of having COVID-19, for example, after having arrived from overseas.
Both types of facilities are located within hotels, separate from each other.
Quarantine facilities have increased health, safety, and cleaning measures, and additional restrictions on your movements.
There are no exemptions from quarantine for people with COVID-19 or COVID-19 symptoms.
Leaving quarantine
You will be able to leave quarantine after you have:
  • spent at least 14 days in quarantine, and
  • been free of COVID-19 symptoms for at least 72 hours.
You will also need to have an onward travel plan and tell us about where you plan to be staying.
And they have no firearms!...never ever give up your guns!
 

Trouble

Veteran Member
As one who trained Law Enforcement in another life, I can say with authority that SWAT is not trained to neutralize defenders set up in an Enfilade, Defilade, or other types of military style defensive techniques. They are trained to acquire targets in an urban setting, i.e., going in buildings and neutralizing occupants at spitting distance by using overwhelming force, or neutralizing lone wolf armed offenders at relatively short distances, under 250 yards. Very few Designated Marksmen in Law Enforcement are trained to shoot over 250 yards. Military is a different situation, and may be trained to engage a target at distances exceeding one kilometer.

A dozen or so trained rifle shooters with high performance firearms using the Enfilade or Defilade technique will give most any civilian Law Enforcement team more than they can handle. A poorly trained Lone Wolf is easy to neutralize. A single defender in their home will not have a good ending.

Not recommending anything, just sayin'.
They're also not used to those that return fire, they're used to finding some coward dead in the corner, self inflicted wound. This will be a hard lesson learned.
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
I hope my camp has a Starbucks....

That'd be much better then being in one where the libs are whining, hating, and crying because they can't have it. Made me think of this song, of which I will not put the video...I had to shut off that vid, it is sinister!

Aenima by Tool

Some say the end is near
Some say we'll see Armageddon soon
I certainly hope we will
I sure could use a vacation from this

Bull**** three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless ****ing hole we call L.A.
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away
Any ****ing time, any ****ing day
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona Bay

Fret for your figure and
Fret for your latte and
Fret for your lawsuit and
Fret for your hairpiece and
Fret for your Prozac and
Fret for your pilot and
Fret for your contract and
Fret for your car

It's a
Bull**** three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless ****ing hole we call L.A.
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away
Any ****ing time, any ****ing day
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona Bay

Some say a comet will fall from the sky
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves
Followed by fault lines that cannot sit still
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dip-s****

Some say the end is near
Some say we'll see Armageddon soon
I certainly hope we will because
I sure could use a vacation from this

Silly s***, stupid s***. . .

One great big festering neon distraction
I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied

Learn to swim

Mom's going to fix it all soon
Mom's coming around to put it back the way it ought to be

Learn to swim

**** L. Ron Hubbard and
**** all his clones
**** all those gun-toting
Hip gangster wannabes

Learn to swim

**** retro anything
**** your tattoos
**** all you junkies and
**** your short memory

Learn to swim

**** smiley glad-hands
With hidden agendas
**** these dysfunctional
Insecure actresses

Learn to swim

Because I'm praying for mayhem
And I'm praying for tidal waves
I want to see the ground give way
I want to watch it all go down
Mom, please flush it all away
I want to see it go right in and down
I want to watch it go right in
Watch you flush it all away

Time to bring it down again
Don't just call me pessimist
Try and read between the lines

I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend

I want to see it all come down
Suck it down
Flush it down



Play "Aenima"
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Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
The alarm on this was, actually, almost 20 years old, now...

Everyone just dismissed it out of hand.



A U.S. Military Manual for the Internment of Thousands of Civilians in Concentration Camps Exists and It’s Horrifying
“Army Field Manual 3–39.40: Internment and Resettlement Operations” Gives Instruction on the Internment of Tens of Thousands of American Citizens

If there is one positive aspect to the worldwide political chaos of recent years, it is a much wider acceptance that “it couldn’t happen here” is a complete fallacy. As the West moves ever closer toward all-out Orwellian authoritarianism, swathes of the public are informed and aware enough to understand precisely what is happening and why.

We have all read well-told tales of historic horrors such as Operation Northwoods. We know of the immigrant concentration camps on the American border, and all saw the horrific scenes of the military rolling into U.S. cities to suppress Black Lives Matter protests. This growing acceptance that governments do not have the interests of either the planet or humanity at heart is a silver lining amidst a black cloud of oppression.

Yet, there still comes a time when the machinations of the government still have the power to shock. There comes new information on the actual depth of their depravity and willingness to commit atrocities against their own people.

Here in the U.K. rumours of rationing, evacuations and mass detentions initially swirled around no-deal Brexit following the release of the “Yellowhammer” documentation in 2019. The alarm at the willingness of the government to suppress the freedom to protest and arrest thousands en masse only increased on the left following the suppression of Extinction Rebellion protests in 2019. It might be suggested that the police used those protests as a convenient dry-run for the possibility of Yellow Vest or Chile style demonstrations to come.

Of course, those protests never came. The “silver lining” of the COVID-19 outbreak for governments around the globe was that a growing anti-capitalist protest movement was stopped in its tracks. Anger instead turned to racial justice and BLM, with many anti-capitalists joining that fight on American streets.

The coronavirus necessitated the implementation of restrictions on our way of life that has caused a severe reaction from libertarians and capitalists. Protest movements that deny the science behind COVID-19 include a growing “anti-mask” movement and even those who believe the entire contagion to be a conspiracy to bring in authoritarianism. While the causes of this movement are varied and many adherents cross political lines, the lack of public scrutiny and openness from our governments is undoubtedly a factor.

We may rightfully criticise the anti-mask movement for their denial of science and recognise that far-right libertarians make up the bulk of the activity. Equally, we may realise that capitalist interests are undoubtedly fueling the fire to ensure the openness of the economy. Still, we have to also understand that the worry surrounding government oppression often has a legitimate cause.

While the British government’s Yellowhammer plans prior to Brexit were supposed to be secret, there is no such secrecy in the United States. The military plan for the mass detention of thousands of people and identification of political dissidents is openly out there for the world to see.

Initially written in 2010 and leaked via PublicIntelligence.net in 2013, the document entitled — “Army Field Manual 3–39.40: Internment and Resettlement Operations” caused a storm after its leaking, with activists horrified by the implications and military precision of the plan to imprison thousands of civilians in detention facilities that closely resemble concentration camps.

The document in question has origins much further back than 2010 however and has existed in various forms since 1978. It contains headings such as “Capture, Detention, and Initial Screening,” “Detainee Flow,” “Theater Internment Facility,” “Strategic Internment Facility,” and “Detainee Rehabilitation Programs.” The document is a well-considered plan for the control of tens of thousands of people, not only on foreign soil but also domestically.

Indeed, the report is explicit that it applies not only to foreign theatres but also to potential internment in the United States.

Page 38 of the 325-page document makes it clear that the procedure applies to the homeland and page 146 makes it equally explicit that U.S. citizens would be identified through social security numbers, photographs and fingerprints. The methods in the document are taken directly from the United States’ policy and experience of internment in Iraq and Afghanistan at facilities such as Camp Bucca which is said to have housed Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and other future Islamic State leaders.

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Defenders of the document both within the military and online have suggested that the procedures are benign and even humanitarian, that they concern disaster relief for significant incidents such as a potential nuclear or biological attack or another natural disaster on the scale of Hurricane Katrina. Yet this argument fails to hold water, with page 238 of the document stating that deadly force is permissible to “terminate an active escape attempt”. Page 244 says that snipers will be utilised to “scan a crowd and identify agitators and riot leaders for apprehension and fire lethal rounds if warranted”. The fact that the detainees are to be considered prisoners is obvious.

1607155143244.png

The removal of political dissidents and opposition activists from the internment group is identified as a priority, stating that “malcontents, trained agitators, and political leaders” will need to be identified within the controlled groups in order “to reduce or remove antagonistic attitudes.”

The layout of the Camp Bucca style “facilities” to house the interned includes interrogation areas, tribunal areas and mortuaries with a capacity of 4,000. The camps would be divided into several regions that are separated by barbed wire and would have a double barbed-wire outer perimeter and 24 watchtowers.

While a separate program from the one identified in this document, the United States’ willingness to utilise facilities such as those outlined in Field Manual 3–39.40 has also come under scrutiny more recently with the controversy surrounding Border Patrol holding facilities. The facilities have been described as “concentration camps” by those on the left such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. They have been constructed with very similar physical and psychological echoes of what is explained above.

Dolly Lucio Sevier, a private-practice physician, was given access to one such facility in McAllen, Texas in 2019. After examining 39 children, she discovered that all were showing signs of trauma and had been exposed to “extreme cold temperatures, lights on 24 hours a day, no adequate access to medical care, basic sanitation, water, or adequate food.” This is merely a snippet of the conditions created at these camps.

There is little doubt that the U.S. has moved to once again place mass-detention on the table. The concepts and images from these kinds of facilities are piecemeal exposed to the public as they are drip-fed information. From Afghanistan to Iraq and the Texas border, inhumane treatment, mass incarceration, the identification of dissidents, and the potential for lethal force are issues that are not only being openly discussed but widely encouraged. Though base nationalism and capitalist endeavour, these ideas are celebrated by the far-right and military-industrial complex in equal measure.

As nations ever increase their methods of surveillance and control and as the neoliberal elites continue to milk the tired and desperate populations for more work and less pay, we begin to see rights and humanity being pulled ever further apart. As those freedoms vanish, we will start to see yet more scenes such as those we have witnessed over the past 12 months in Portland, Louisville, Chile, France and beyond, a public yearning for change and willing to take direct action to ensure it happens. This eternal fear of the masses by the elite has historically led governments down the path of atrocity, and the American government has in place all the planning and facilities it needs to ensure that those calls for change remain forever unheeded.


Here is the referenced Army Manual:

 

rob0126

Veteran Member
The alarm on this was, actually, almost 20 years old, now...

Everyone just dismissed it out of hand.



A U.S. Military Manual for the Internment of Thousands of Civilians in Concentration Camps Exists and It’s Horrifying
“Army Field Manual 3–39.40: Internment and Resettlement Operations” Gives Instruction on the Internment of Tens of Thousands of American Citizens

If there is one positive aspect to the worldwide political chaos of recent years, it is a much wider acceptance that “it couldn’t happen here” is a complete fallacy. As the West moves ever closer toward all-out Orwellian authoritarianism, swathes of the public are informed and aware enough to understand precisely what is happening and why.

We have all read well-told tales of historic horrors such as Operation Northwoods. We know of the immigrant concentration camps on the American border, and all saw the horrific scenes of the military rolling into U.S. cities to suppress Black Lives Matter protests. This growing acceptance that governments do not have the interests of either the planet or humanity at heart is a silver lining amidst a black cloud of oppression.

Yet, there still comes a time when the machinations of the government still have the power to shock. There comes new information on the actual depth of their depravity and willingness to commit atrocities against their own people.

Here in the U.K. rumours of rationing, evacuations and mass detentions initially swirled around no-deal Brexit following the release of the “Yellowhammer” documentation in 2019. The alarm at the willingness of the government to suppress the freedom to protest and arrest thousands en masse only increased on the left following the suppression of Extinction Rebellion protests in 2019. It might be suggested that the police used those protests as a convenient dry-run for the possibility of Yellow Vest or Chile style demonstrations to come.

Of course, those protests never came. The “silver lining” of the COVID-19 outbreak for governments around the globe was that a growing anti-capitalist protest movement was stopped in its tracks. Anger instead turned to racial justice and BLM, with many anti-capitalists joining that fight on American streets.

The coronavirus necessitated the implementation of restrictions on our way of life that has caused a severe reaction from libertarians and capitalists. Protest movements that deny the science behind COVID-19 include a growing “anti-mask” movement and even those who believe the entire contagion to be a conspiracy to bring in authoritarianism. While the causes of this movement are varied and many adherents cross political lines, the lack of public scrutiny and openness from our governments is undoubtedly a factor.

We may rightfully criticise the anti-mask movement for their denial of science and recognise that far-right libertarians make up the bulk of the activity. Equally, we may realise that capitalist interests are undoubtedly fueling the fire to ensure the openness of the economy. Still, we have to also understand that the worry surrounding government oppression often has a legitimate cause.

While the British government’s Yellowhammer plans prior to Brexit were supposed to be secret, there is no such secrecy in the United States. The military plan for the mass detention of thousands of people and identification of political dissidents is openly out there for the world to see.

Initially written in 2010 and leaked via PublicIntelligence.net in 2013, the document entitled — “Army Field Manual 3–39.40: Internment and Resettlement Operations” caused a storm after its leaking, with activists horrified by the implications and military precision of the plan to imprison thousands of civilians in detention facilities that closely resemble concentration camps.

The document in question has origins much further back than 2010 however and has existed in various forms since 1978. It contains headings such as “Capture, Detention, and Initial Screening,” “Detainee Flow,” “Theater Internment Facility,” “Strategic Internment Facility,” and “Detainee Rehabilitation Programs.” The document is a well-considered plan for the control of tens of thousands of people, not only on foreign soil but also domestically.

Indeed, the report is explicit that it applies not only to foreign theatres but also to potential internment in the United States.

Page 38 of the 325-page document makes it clear that the procedure applies to the homeland and page 146 makes it equally explicit that U.S. citizens would be identified through social security numbers, photographs and fingerprints. The methods in the document are taken directly from the United States’ policy and experience of internment in Iraq and Afghanistan at facilities such as Camp Bucca which is said to have housed Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and other future Islamic State leaders.

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Defenders of the document both within the military and online have suggested that the procedures are benign and even humanitarian, that they concern disaster relief for significant incidents such as a potential nuclear or biological attack or another natural disaster on the scale of Hurricane Katrina. Yet this argument fails to hold water, with page 238 of the document stating that deadly force is permissible to “terminate an active escape attempt”. Page 244 says that snipers will be utilised to “scan a crowd and identify agitators and riot leaders for apprehension and fire lethal rounds if warranted”. The fact that the detainees are to be considered prisoners is obvious.

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The removal of political dissidents and opposition activists from the internment group is identified as a priority, stating that “malcontents, trained agitators, and political leaders” will need to be identified within the controlled groups in order “to reduce or remove antagonistic attitudes.”

The layout of the Camp Bucca style “facilities” to house the interned includes interrogation areas, tribunal areas and mortuaries with a capacity of 4,000. The camps would be divided into several regions that are separated by barbed wire and would have a double barbed-wire outer perimeter and 24 watchtowers.

While a separate program from the one identified in this document, the United States’ willingness to utilise facilities such as those outlined in Field Manual 3–39.40 has also come under scrutiny more recently with the controversy surrounding Border Patrol holding facilities. The facilities have been described as “concentration camps” by those on the left such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. They have been constructed with very similar physical and psychological echoes of what is explained above.

Dolly Lucio Sevier, a private-practice physician, was given access to one such facility in McAllen, Texas in 2019. After examining 39 children, she discovered that all were showing signs of trauma and had been exposed to “extreme cold temperatures, lights on 24 hours a day, no adequate access to medical care, basic sanitation, water, or adequate food.” This is merely a snippet of the conditions created at these camps.

There is little doubt that the U.S. has moved to once again place mass-detention on the table. The concepts and images from these kinds of facilities are piecemeal exposed to the public as they are drip-fed information. From Afghanistan to Iraq and the Texas border, inhumane treatment, mass incarceration, the identification of dissidents, and the potential for lethal force are issues that are not only being openly discussed but widely encouraged. Though base nationalism and capitalist endeavour, these ideas are celebrated by the far-right and military-industrial complex in equal measure.

As nations ever increase their methods of surveillance and control and as the neoliberal elites continue to milk the tired and desperate populations for more work and less pay, we begin to see rights and humanity being pulled ever further apart. As those freedoms vanish, we will start to see yet more scenes such as those we have witnessed over the past 12 months in Portland, Louisville, Chile, France and beyond, a public yearning for change and willing to take direct action to ensure it happens. This eternal fear of the masses by the elite has historically led governments down the path of atrocity, and the American government has in place all the planning and facilities it needs to ensure that those calls for change remain forever unheeded.


Here is the referenced Army Manual:


I guess we will see what happens.

But Im not going to worry. If its our time to die as Christians, to be martyred, then theirs nothing we can do.
But the question is: Is this the time?

I will fight for what is holy, just, equal, and right, according to the Word of God.

I would gander to say that by doing this, is what causes our martyredom.
 
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