ambereyes
Veteran Member
Problem around here is it's very low population density, so they can get really desperate. Crazy you still have to go to the court house.
CHAT Jury Summons
- Thread starter Border Collie Dad
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Problem around here is it's very low population density, so they can get really desperate. Crazy you still have to go to the court house.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Sounds like they're professional grifters.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
probably to ensure that no one is around trying to make the jurors decision for them.
It’d be more fun to tell them you’re FIJA. if you have any doubt about it working, I assure you it’s as good as gold. FIJA is poison to our court system.
Meemur
Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
My thought, as well. If I had a rich husband, that might be another consideration, but I don't. I'm also not going down
there and sit on those hard benches while wearing a mask while they decide to toss me. I'm older and it's not worth the back pain. Sorry, that's just how it is.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
And that's my problem I'm not able to wear a regular fabric mask, that doesn't have a rebreather filter on it, for more than five minutes before my O2 levels drop low enough that would cause me to pass out. I breath just fine without that damned face diaper. The reason I have a rebreather mask, which are nigh impossible to find now due to covid, is to protect my lungs in the winter time due to temp changes from a building to the car or vice versa or on days like last week when it was super windy here and the air was filled with dust, pollen, and mold. But again that's for less than a few minutes to make it from the car to a building or vice versa.
Doc explained that they would have to give me a break every 15 minutes so I could go outside for fresh air, and that they would have to monitor my O2 levels if they insisted on my wearing a mask... boom no jury duty.
Meemur
Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Neither of us need to be in those old buildings with the standard a/c (no higher level filters). That's a recipe for Covid.
I will continue to avoid old buildings and most restaurants and small shops for that reason.
colonel holman
Veteran Member
Just got called for June, shutting down two paid-for camping trips.
annieosage
Inactive
DD had her one and only jury case back in about 2006- 2007. It was a 5 weeks long (maybe 4 weeks) murder trial. The man was convicted of first degree murder and sentenced to death.
DD at the time was the youngest juror ever to sit on a capital case. When it was over the judge called her to her chambers and thanked her. She told DD she would be excused from ever having to serve again.
To this day DD has never forgotten it. The man and his accomplice murdered a young mother coming out of Walgreens with medicine for her sick child.
DD at the time was the youngest juror ever to sit on a capital case. When it was over the judge called her to her chambers and thanked her. She told DD she would be excused from ever having to serve again.
To this day DD has never forgotten it. The man and his accomplice murdered a young mother coming out of Walgreens with medicine for her sick child.
You contact them and say that you’ll be out of the country in June, and could they reschedule you.
ShadowMan
Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Have only been called once since I retired from the navy. Prior to that I was called, but excused due to military duty, my CO signed off that I was essential personnel as I worked in the Emergency Room, plus was an EMT/Ambulance crew as well as squadron corpsman for several ready Marine Squadrons. Later on I would simply show up in uniform and that ended that. Once since retirement from the navy while I was sitting in the jury pool they asked if anyone was related or knew anyone in Law Enforcement....my younger brother and brother in law were both cops. POOF! Your gone!!
Being retired military is also usually a golden ticket to leave. The last thing the lawyers want is anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together. Personally it kind of pisses me off the way they select jurors. I sure as hell wouldn't want my life dependent on the majority of serious losers I've seen in selection pools. SCARY!!
Being retired military is also usually a golden ticket to leave. The last thing the lawyers want is anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together. Personally it kind of pisses me off the way they select jurors. I sure as hell wouldn't want my life dependent on the majority of serious losers I've seen in selection pools. SCARY!!
Elza
Veteran Member
Sounds just like me. In my case my beard traps CO2 making it that much worse. The only place I wear a mask is to the doctor. It's that or do without needed medical care. So I bought an air fed mask. (4WDKING Rechargeable Electrical Air Purifying, Reusable Portable Air Purifier with HEPA Filter on Amazon.) It's just a filter and a blower but it does the job. Keeps fresh air flowing through mask at all times so I don't pass out.
Scarletbreasted
Galloping geriatric
It is a call to duty, viz to uphold the rights of your countries legal system ...........trying to get out of that duty is akin to "draft dodging" IMHO!
sb
sb
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
I did that, too.
The legal system has so many issues and way too many laws making criminals where there shouldn't be one.
In most cases, it's not to protect me or you or give justice.
Raggedyman
Res ipsa loquitur
sorry to hear that colonel - the bright spot in that all is you're the type of individual that can really impact a significant case - which is ALSO the very reason you'd never be permitted to sit as juror in any "significant case"
"You say you haven't been the same since you had your little crash
But you might feel better if they gave you some cash
The more I think about it, Old Billy was right
Let's kill all the lawyers, kill 'em tonight
You don't want to work; you want to live like a king
But the big, bad world doesn't owe you a thing"
But you might feel better if they gave you some cash
The more I think about it, Old Billy was right
Let's kill all the lawyers, kill 'em tonight
You don't want to work; you want to live like a king
But the big, bad world doesn't owe you a thing"
EAGLES - Get Over It
Profit of Doom
Dismember
Of course he’s guilty. They arrested him, didn’t they?
teedee
Veteran Member
I was on one where it was blatant burglary. The prosecutor called the last 3 sheriffs and asked them if the defendant was known to them to which they all answered he was VERY well known to them. We had one lady that kept voting to acquit and I told them that in my opinion he was guilty and I was prepared to sit there for weeks until she changed her vote. She finally voted to convict and as we were waiting to go down the elevator the prosecutor came out with a computer print out that was 5 or 6 ft. long of the perps arrests. I told him to wait and went and got the hold out and took her back so she could be educated! GTR
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
You'd be a perfect juror for an antifa trial then.
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
Fairly recent evolution to this.
I went from a "conservative" to a libertarian and finally decided that I was a classical anarchist.
But, I do have some contradictions.
Been on the voter rolls since 1972.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
They claim to be anarchists.
Ku Commando
Inactive
For that reason alone, you should serve.......this is where jury nullification plays out
Convincing the other members of the jury that the law is bullshit is then your task
Oscar Wilde
Membership Revoked
Shucks, I didn't consider such. A deal breaker for sure.
I played the silly game once, wore my neckerchief, coolrays 'n cowboy hat but not since.
As expected, not turned away but not well received ... is there insanity within the insanity?
Disregard my previous ... wee the peasants got more important duties to attend to.
O.W.
Then go and nullify if that is what you need to do, but there is no excuse for not going.
Oscar Wilde
Membership Revoked
Anarchy been gettin a bad rap for far too long ... I'm thinkin ya identify yourself as such
and dismissal be a cinch.
O.W.
Mary Contrary
Inactive
What is FIJA??
Mary Contrary
Inactive
Haha that's funny.
I see you’re too lazy to read the thread too. Go back and start at post #1. Scroll down. READ.
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
Many people claim many things
Oscar Wilde
Membership Revoked
Folks be confused, mayhem is what they be attemptin to describe
and anarchy ain't it!
Anarchy, while livin within the confines of Father's Ten Commandments,
the Golden Rule and a few select philosophycal utterances of Buddha,
be a good thing ... goobermint don't like it cuz they be excluded.
Lotta other folk be skeert cuz the onus on them for they own well being ...
all things considered, they be mo betta off.
O.W.
sy32478
Veteran Member
I am incredibly disappointed at the posts here about ducking out of a duty for no reason other that they don't want to do it. Unless you are disabled, or it is going to break the bank or close your business, DO YOUR DAMN JOB! Jury duty is the one place that all citizens have the opportunity and privilege to actively participate in self-government, applying the laws to ensure that justice is done.
This is supposed to be a republic Of, By, and For the People. If those people who understand that and understand how our legal system is suppose to work don't pick up the yoke to sit, listen, deliberate, and administer justice, then who will?
I have been on juries and have been dismissed from juries. I've also been on the other side of the rail as an attorney in my previous career. What I have seen and heard from jurors would scare the ever loving PISS out of you if you are a defendant and are innocent. The ignorance, the inability to look at facts objectively, and the presumption of guilt is VERY strong with juries. Without knowledgeable aware citizens on the jury, your life, liberty and property will be in the hands of people who don't care.
After all this patriotic grandstanding, I am waffling and having second thoughts.
Do I want people on my jury who don't want to do the right thing? Who aren't going to be thoughtful and careful triers of fact? Who enjoy the bounty and blessings of liberty but aren't willing to contribute? In the end, I guess I would be damned pleased not to have BCD on my jury because I want to be tried by peers - citizens of the republic interested in upholding the law and ensuring a fair trial preventing both lawlessness and tyranny.
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
― Samuel Adams
This is supposed to be a republic Of, By, and For the People. If those people who understand that and understand how our legal system is suppose to work don't pick up the yoke to sit, listen, deliberate, and administer justice, then who will?
I have been on juries and have been dismissed from juries. I've also been on the other side of the rail as an attorney in my previous career. What I have seen and heard from jurors would scare the ever loving PISS out of you if you are a defendant and are innocent. The ignorance, the inability to look at facts objectively, and the presumption of guilt is VERY strong with juries. Without knowledgeable aware citizens on the jury, your life, liberty and property will be in the hands of people who don't care.
After all this patriotic grandstanding, I am waffling and having second thoughts.
Do I want people on my jury who don't want to do the right thing? Who aren't going to be thoughtful and careful triers of fact? Who enjoy the bounty and blessings of liberty but aren't willing to contribute? In the end, I guess I would be damned pleased not to have BCD on my jury because I want to be tried by peers - citizens of the republic interested in upholding the law and ensuring a fair trial preventing both lawlessness and tyranny.
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
― Samuel Adams
sy, I’d do it, but they’d never allow me to be on a jury.
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
sy32748, I'm sort of expecting Lee Greenwood to start singing any minute.
I don't buy the duty argument.
In another time, perhaps.
If the law and justice system were ever fair.
I don't know. It may all be myth
However, if forced to serve, I will take the defendant's fate seriously.
I don't buy the duty argument.
In another time, perhaps.
If the law and justice system were ever fair.
I don't know. It may all be myth
However, if forced to serve, I will take the defendant's fate seriously.
I served many years ago. I tried several angles to get excused. Had to serve on one Civil case and so dearly wanted to stick it to the defendant. The evidence wasn't there.
I left very sad, knowing WE gave a just verdict.
Older now, there will be a great chance everyone in the courtroom will be lying except me and the judge. (Not too sure about him either)
It will be hard to hide eagerness to get picked. That in itself will keep me from getting picked to ever sit as a juror again.
Like the old saying, "you can beat the rap but not the ride", most can't get out of showing up to panel a slate of jurors.
ETA: frustrates me to watch and hear truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth, only to know the jury gets a partial truth.
I left very sad, knowing WE gave a just verdict.
Older now, there will be a great chance everyone in the courtroom will be lying except me and the judge. (Not too sure about him either)
It will be hard to hide eagerness to get picked. That in itself will keep me from getting picked to ever sit as a juror again.
Like the old saying, "you can beat the rap but not the ride", most can't get out of showing up to panel a slate of jurors.
ETA: frustrates me to watch and hear truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth, only to know the jury gets a partial truth.
Illini Warrior
Illini Warrior
if you're a working stiff - and it will cost you $$$$ >>> use that - not many courts will buck that
wouldn't try using an ongoing health problem - if they really want you - it won't work as an excuse >>> my sister's neighbor got jury selected and was badly diabetic - wanted to be excused from traveling into the city and a high profile FED court case - judge refused saying the court would make any & alll accommodations for this neighbor ....
I dodged court duty for 40 years - business & work hardship >>> finally went - what a joke - all the blacks summoned didn't show - a couple out of the 150-200 people Monday summoned - the vast majority of the criminal trials must have had minority defendents - soooo much for peers judging you
wouldn't try using an ongoing health problem - if they really want you - it won't work as an excuse >>> my sister's neighbor got jury selected and was badly diabetic - wanted to be excused from traveling into the city and a high profile FED court case - judge refused saying the court would make any & alll accommodations for this neighbor ....
I dodged court duty for 40 years - business & work hardship >>> finally went - what a joke - all the blacks summoned didn't show - a couple out of the 150-200 people Monday summoned - the vast majority of the criminal trials must have had minority defendents - soooo much for peers judging you