CRIME Josh Duggar, former reality TV star, charged with child porn possession

cyberiot

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Meemur said:
I'm not sure that their community allows divorce, but in this case, they should make an exception.
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If I read The Manual correctly, adultery is considered legitimate grounds for divorce. During his last round of difficulties, Josh Duggar admitted to cheating on Anna. Prima facie, she would have been well within her rights as a good Christian wife to wheel him to the curb back then. As to why she was egged on to stay with him, I imagine defense of the Duggar Family brand (read: money) was a factor.

I am also of the mind that married people should have orgasms only with their spouses. He's getting his jollies online; ergo, he has breached the contract. That children are his preferred entertainment, and that he has 6+(1) of them, exponentially bolster the case for divorce.
 
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Meemur

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Also, I think she had five children at the time. I imagine that played a part, as well.

I'll make a prediction: all of this will end up being swept under the rug. By this time next year, it will have been forgotten, except by those of us who hate this sort of sin to no end.
 
TKO

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hunybee said:
i want to give the benefit of the doubt as this is a favorite life ruiner of those that want to take down people.

and why not? messing with kids is not only a big no, but it REALLY riles people up. and well it should.

so when i see these any more, i am instantly suspicious with a mixture of possible anger. i try to hold that be cause we really do not know for sure unless we know for sure.

but given his past......this looks real bad , dude.
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Yep. I've thought about that, too. It may well be this is the tool the deep state uses on people they want to take down. That and underage sex. They can get any bimbo to say it happened. Just pay them enough money.
 
cyberiot

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TKO said:
Yep. I've thought about that, too. It may well be this is the tool the deep state uses on people they want to take down. That and underage sex. They can get any bimbo to say it happened. Just pay them enough money.
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Yeah, but this isn't one of those he-said, she-said, rent-a-bimbo situations. Duggar's history of child molestation is relevant and damning. In the current exercise, they got him dead to rights with extreme kiddie porn on his computer and phone. If the deep state is truly interested in taking down this slimebag, all they have to do is get out of his way--he'll self-destruct without additional assistance.

Here's what I want to know: It appears the feds have been aware of his activities since May 2019. Why did it take two years to arrest him?
 
cyberiot

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Meemur said:
This needed to be stopped long before he married and had children.
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According to the official Duggar narrative, Josh and his parents informed Anna and her parents about his early bad behavior before the engagement was announced.

Frankly, that troubles me. Were her parents star-struck? Or generously remunerated? Would you encourage your naive daughter to marry into a drama like that? And when his sexual kinks reemerged five kids into the marriage, why didn't her parents protect Anna and the grands?
 
MrsClaus

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Redcat said:
I have read up on him over that past couple of days (passing interest, not invested in this at all other than idle curiosity).

I guess the FBI found over 65 photos of child porn and 3 videos. One of those videos was the infamous (in underground, child porn worlds) DD video. The maker of that video is an Australian man who is now in jail in the Phillipines. It has been described by the FBI as one of the five worst child porn videos available.

This filth needs to rot in jail for 20 years (I think that is the max for this type of thing allowed by the gov't) for this case, along with 5 years for one other charge).
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Word of advice. Don't fall down the rabbit hole looking for info on the video. It is horrendous. If it's in the top 5, I'd hate to know what the other 4 would be.
 
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cyberiot said:
Yeah, but this isn't one of those he-said, she-said, rent-a-bimbo situations. Duggar's history of child molestation is relevant and damning. In the current exercise, they got him dead to rights with extreme kiddie porn on his computer and phone. If the deep state is truly interested in taking down this slimebag, all they have to do is get out of his way--he'll self-destruct without additional assistance.

Here's what I want to know: It appears the feds have been aware of his activities since May 2019. Why did it take two years to arrest him?
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Yeah, and it also looks like he went to great lengths to avoid detection AFTER he was caught the first time. Setting up a Linux partition, etc... he has NO intention (or likely, ability) of stopping.

Unfortunately, life in prison is the only way you're going to keep him from hurting kids and viewing points.

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Meemur

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summerthyme said:
Yeah, and it also looks like he went to great lengths to avoid detection AFTER he was caught the first time. Setting up a Linux partition, etc... he has NO intention (or likely, ability) of stopping.
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That would be my guess. I'm not sure that even "real" therapy, as opposed to the fake counseling he received, will do much, unless he is motivated to change. CBT might help with the porn but I wouldn't trust it to tamp down actual desires for children. That's why they put them to death in the old days.
 
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cyberiot said:
According to the official Duggar narrative, Josh and his parents informed Anna and her parents about his early bad behavior before the engagement was announced.

Frankly, that troubles me. Were her parents star-struck? Or generously remunerated? Would you encourage your naive daughter to marry into a drama like that? And when his sexual kinks reemerged five kids into the marriage, why didn't her parents protect Anna and the grands?
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From what I understand Anna was reared in a home that believed much like the Dugger Family. Girls were married off young, were under parental control until they married,( Jana,the oldest Duggar daughter is in her thirties and still stays at home with her parents) must have large families, college was not encouraged or allowed for their daughters. I think it was the right thing to do for the Duggar’s to have told Anna and her parents about his past before the engagement was announced.

What I don’t understand at all is why her parents didn’t protect her and stop the engagement,but that sect does have some stage ideas.
I once worked with a lady from a similar background. Her daughter was graduating from high school and had two summer job offers. The one was to travel with an evangelist’s family who had an ill wife, and to take care of his wife and children, or work for a Baskin Robins Ice Cream Shop They were afraid to have her exposed to rock music at the ice cream shop and so she took the other job .

I told her mother that as a friend I loved her, but if she had reared her daughter for 18 years in a Christian home, and she was active in church and gone to a Christian school her entire life and she was worried that her daughter would be corrupted by rock music than she and her husband utterly failed.
My heart really goes out to young people who are brought up in such legalism. Some stay the course of their upbringing, but many go hog wild or don’t know how to cope in the real world.
 
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This whole video is worth listening to if you are following Josh's arrest but if you are just wanting to understand where Anna came from and why she is so dependent on Josh, start at the 45 minute mark. It's a 55 minute video.

This girl has been following the Duggars for a very long time and she's gotten to know family members, etc. She sometimes gets inside info before you see it anywhere else...she's a little obsessed but entertaining She was also able to attend the hearing virtually and got details about the case I haven't seen anywhere else. Go to her channel to see more. I though the one about Anna being mad at the Duggars and blaming them and Biden for Josh's arrest was interesting.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH9SVtazlQk&t=9s&ab_channel=WithoutACrystalBall
 
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I was disappointed that the judge didn't do multiple things
1. Why does he get "unlimited visits"? Once a week or none should have been the number until the children have been checked for abuse.
2. Anna should not be alone with him and the kids. While normally social workers can be a problem, a feminist man hating one present at the visits would be very acceptable to me right now. She probably doesn't have the spine to stop anything because she'd get no backup.
3. Why does he get to go to church with children present? I believe in religious rights but if he gets to go to church he ought to have to sit a certain distance from children and have someone watching him, preferably from outside their circle who would let things slide. That contradicts the avoiding minors part.

Anna married at 19. She has few skills if she gets divorced. She's stuck unless a community of believers rallies around her to help with kids while she goes to school to learn a trade or job. She needs child care. She'll need food and clothes in the mean time. I don't think the Duggar family will help, other than the few girls who left, maybe. Why her parents don't care about the grandkids who knows?! She needs someone to tell her, convince her, Josh has done wrong and it is Biblically okay to divorce him. If she really left Josh, I think there would be plenty of money donated to a go fund me for her.

If found guilty I truly hope he gets 20 years and no less.
 
hunybee

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Wildwood said:
This whole video is worth listening to if you are following Josh's arrest but if you are just wanting to understand where Anna came from and why she is so dependent on Josh, start at the 45 minute mark. It's a 55 minute video.

This girl has been following the Duggars for a very long time and she's gotten to know family members, etc. She sometimes gets inside info before you see it anywhere else...she's a little obsessed but entertaining She was also able to attend the hearing virtually and got details about the case I haven't seen anywhere else. Go to her channel to see more. I though the one about Anna being mad at the Duggars and blaming them and Biden for Josh's arrest was interesting.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH9SVtazlQk&t=9s&ab_channel=WithoutACrystalBall
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i listened to that last ten minutes of the video.

i do not and cannot disagree with what she said at all. that was very well said and shown. i didn't watch the entire video, but again, that last ten minutes is smack on.

it is easy to give anna a pass. if this had been the first occurrence that she had become aware of, i would.

but it isn't.

at this point, she is complicit. it IS difficult to leave, there is no question. the world they live in makes this type of thing easy to happen, and hard to break free of.

but...she does have multiple ways and means to get out and get help. if she doesn't do it for her, she needs to do it for her kids.

it is a horrible situation that has been thrown at her. it is not her fault that her husband is this way, and it isn't fair.

life is not fair, though.
 
hunybee

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amarilla said:
I was disappointed that the judge didn't do multiple things
1. Why does he get "unlimited visits"? Once a week or none should have been the number until the children have been checked for abuse.
2. Anna should not be alone with him and the kids. While normally social workers can be a problem, a feminist man hating one present at the visits would be very acceptable to me right now. She probably doesn't have the spine to stop anything because she'd get no backup.
3. Why does he get to go to church with children present? I believe in religious rights but if he gets to go to church he ought to have to sit a certain distance from children and have someone watching him, preferably from outside their circle who would let things slide. That contradicts the avoiding minors part.

Anna married at 19. She has few skills if she gets divorced. She's stuck unless a community of believers rallies around her to help with kids while she goes to school to learn a trade or job. She needs child care. She'll need food and clothes in the mean time. I don't think the Duggar family will help, other than the few girls who left, maybe. Why her parents don't care about the grandkids who knows?! She needs someone to tell her, convince her, Josh has done wrong and it is Biblically okay to divorce him. If she really left Josh, I think there would be plenty of money donated to a go fund me for her.

If found guilty I truly hope he gets 20 years and no less.
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you should watch that video. normally, i would say that people would donate to a gofundme, and that would be good.

i don't think that should happen though in this case. yes, it will be difficult, but she has so many resources that most people don't have. the girl in the video points out a lot of things that make it hard to give anna a pass on this. she says it does a disservice to anna to say she is stuck. she isn't. the girl points out that not only do many other people leave these very same circumstances all the time, with less than what she has, but anna DOES have many more resources than most people. she has wealthy family outside of that religious system that are willing to help her. she has family members from the duggar family that have left and will help. that girl points out also that the public should not be funding her as she has multiple means to help her.

it comes down to anna must do it. no one else can do it for her.
 
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hunybee said:
it comes down to anna must do it. no one else can do it for her.
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It is quite likely that Anna has never been taught self-sufficiency. Sounds like she has been in a situation all of her life where others thought FOR her. The first thing she will have to do is be willing to take responsibility for becoming at least somewhat self-sufficient. That could be a very long process for her. Hopefully, at least for the children's sake, she will be motivated enough to take on the task.
 
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Likely since these are federal charges he will be staying in jail. Also, I don't think its fair to paint the entire family with the Josh brush. Josh has a serious problem that perhaps was not dealt with properly at the beginning but who can really judge. We don't know what went into those early decisions but I think its safe to assume loving parents did their best. Hindsight can obviously show that the parents were wrong, but they did the best they could with the information/guidance they had at that time. That's all any parents can do.

I'm sure Josh is addicted to porn and also is an adept liar to cover his tracks. When you trust your spouse or child is telling the truth its devastating to learn about all the lies. Bottom line is Josh and only Josh is responsible for his actions. The fallout is terrible for his family especially his parents and wife and children so they really don't need armchair experts condemning them.
 
cyberiot

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DISTURBING CONTENT--PROCEED WITH EXTREME CAUTION

So apparently, that "worst of the worst" file the feds found on Duggar's hard drive was Daisy's Destruction, aka: DD.torrent.
I'm posting this because nothing sterilizes like sunshine. I initially copied and pasted the entire article, but the content is so horrifying, I decided against it. Here's what's in the file:

metro.co.uk

What is Daisy’s Destruction? ‘Snuff film’ urban legend actually exists

Its creator may face the death penalty in the Philippines
metro.co.uk metro.co.uk
 
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cyberiot said:
DISTURBING CONTENT--PROCEED WITH EXTREME CAUTION

So apparently, that "worst of the worst" file the feds found on Duggar's hard drive was Daisy's Destruction, aka: DD.torrent.
I'm posting this because nothing sterilizes like sunshine. I initially copied and pasted the entire article, but the content is so horrifying, I decided against it. Here's what's in the file:

metro.co.uk

What is Daisy’s Destruction? ‘Snuff film’ urban legend actually exists

Its creator may face the death penalty in the Philippines
metro.co.uk metro.co.uk
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Thank you for not posting the article. I was on another site and people dropped a couple of hints about what was on it (apparently it is well known in the law enforcement world) that I found so disturbing, I would not want to delve into that. Grotesque, evil and sickening.
 
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