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Young adults are poor despite every metric which suggests otherwise


Johann Kurtz

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Jul 14

A recent article from The Cut received a huge amount of attention:

‘It’s Hard to See My Parents Live So Lavishly While We’re Struggling’.

The piece includes vignettes of Millenial hardship:

…his dad, Steve, sold his company to a private equity firm about five years ago, which enabled him to retire comfortably in his mid-60s…Two years ago, Joe asked his dad for a loan. He wanted to start a lawn-care business and needed capital for commercial-grade equipment and a trailer, at least $15,000. He presented Steve with his business plan, which included a schedule to pay back the money. Still, Steve said “no.”… Joe hasn’t started the business. He works for a property-management firm and does landscaping work on the side to bring in extra money. But he has two young kids of his own and finds it difficult to save. “Without some initial help, it’s pretty unrealistic that I’ll ever be able to go the entrepreneurial route,” he says. Steve, on the other hand, thinks he’s teaching his son a valuable lesson on self-reliance. “It’s not that I can’t afford to help him,” Steve told me. “I just have a real problem with handouts. And I want him to have the satisfaction of knowing he’s built something himself, with his own hard work. That’s how I was raised, too.

The virality of this piece prompted a discussion between Louise Perry and Rob Henderson:
‘The politics of the downwardly mobile class’.
Rob disagreed with the Cut article’s perspective:

The way that this article is written, it’s intended, I think, to convey that millennials are really struggling… but, generally, Millennials are doing just fine. And even the link to the US GAO that they cite says that Millennial households were more likely than other generations to be college educated… incomes have remained flat across the three generations… There was an article a couple of years ago from Jean Twenge in The Atlantic showing that Millennials are doing just as well as previous generations were.

I disagree! I think that Millennials and Zoomers are not doing fine. In fact, I think there have been structural changes to our economy and society which clearly explain why these cohorts are failing to move through the five pillars of a stable middle-class existence: education, stable employment, marriage, homeownership, children.

Some of these negative changes stand out in the normal datasets, while some do not, for reasons I will explain. In short, what has happened is that previous generations were able to take advantage of highly valuable and productive social capital as well as their exploding financial capital to move through each of these life stages in a fiscally efficient manner. (Don’t worry: I will define what I mean by social capital and back my argument with data).

Our current young, lacking access to this social capital, must engage in enormous outlays of purely financial capital in order to achieve the same levels of stability and accomplishment — capital that they do not have. We see this clearly in the data on schooling,
homeownership, and family formation.
All of this is hidden from the top-line metrics, usually in one of two ways:
  1. Huge increases in the cost of essential aspects of family life (homeownership, education, etc.) being offset by huge decreases in the cost of non-essential goods (televisions, phones, etc.) making the young appear wealthy in the abstract but without them actually being able to afford anything meaningful;
  2. By presenting false equivalencies which imply a level of choice that younger generations do not actually have. For example: an American family in 1975 could send their children to public school on the assumption that the vast majority of other children would
    belong to intact families
    , communities like their own, and would
    speak English as a first language
    . Now, realistically, many parents must turn to private schooling for the same reassurances.
On the surface it does seem as if the young are fine. Real median incomes are higher than they were for their parents at the same age, unemployment has spent most of the past decade at historic lows, and purchasing power has risen roughly 63 percent since 1973. Televisions, clothing, food, and air travel are cheaper than ever.

And yet this generation is also not marrying, not buying homes, not having children, and seem pretty miserable. I think we’re clearly in the midst of a tremendous measurement failure.

My argument is that previous generations received an enormous stock of social capital: trusted neighbors, functional public schools, a productive courtship culture, predictable career arcs, and a public square in which children could roam and adults could be relied upon. That stock, once given for free, has now been substantially liquidated.

Instead, the young must now buy back, item by item and at retail prices, what their grandparents received as a bounty of prior civilizational investments. The young must do so out of incomes that rose modestly while the prices of the essential elements of life rose radically. Price indexes measure the individual cost of discrete goods, but they are not intended to convey the total cost of personally repurchasing a destroyed commons.

This type of failure is well understood as a threat in economics. The old joke is that when a man marries his cleaner, the GDP of both households collapses even while the actual labor being done remains the same and everyone is better off. In our case, we’re seeing the opposite: a thousand small divorces and social fragmentations which boost the appearance of GDP but leave everyone poorer in reality.

Occasionally, researchers succeed in capturing and modelling these hidden transitions, and we get a glimpse into the deep faultlines under society — direct evidence that official measures miss what households actually feel. In 2024, for example, a compelling study by Lawrence Summers and colleagues
showed that the gap between depressed consumer sentiment and cheerful official statistics closes once borrowing costs (excluded from the modern CPI but important for family finances) are counted as part of the cost of living. The consumers were right.
What actually got cheaper over the past fifty years? Electronics, entertainment, fast fashion, processed food, toys, screens of every kind. And what got more expensive, usually by many multiples? Housing, education, childcare, healthcare, insurance.

Absurdly, both of these movements register in the statistics as progress: one shows up as asset appreciation and the other as consumer surplus. But the lived reality for families feels like a pincer.

Housing is the least ambiguous case. At
age 30. 55 percent of the Silent Generation owned homes. For Boomers the figure was 48 percent, for Gen X 42 percent, and for Millennials 33 percent. The national ratio of median home price to median household income, which stood around 3.2 through the 1990s, reached 5.0 in 2024, nearly matching its all-time high.

The median age of the first-time buyer
, 29 in the early 1980s, hit a record 40 in 2025. Whatever supposed wage gains the young have enjoyed, housing claws most of them back before they can be converted into anything durable.

Significant changes in rent have made this worse. The standard escape from renting is saving for a down payment, but soaring rent has made saving near impossible. Roughly half of all renter households now spend more than 30 percent of their income on rent and utilities, the federal threshold for being “cost-burdened,” and more than a quarter spend over half. Layer exploding student debt on top — of which more below — and you get a class of people in permanent limbo.

One rebuttal you hear to this predicament concerns square footage. The line is that due to consumer preference, houses today are larger than the bungalows of 1955, so price per square foot has risen less than price per house; the young, the argument goes, are demanding more luxury and are pricing themselves out of the market.

This is unconvincing on two counts. First, the market barely offers the smaller option: zoning regimes across the country make it easier to build large houses than small ones, and buyers who would prefer modest homes in decent areas frequently cannot find them. Scott Alexander described living alone in a three-bedroom house in Michigan because no acceptable one-bedroom existed near his workplace and the apartments were (his words!) ‘loud and crime-y’.

I think this latter point is a generalizable pattern. As Mr. Alexander discovered, the added, expensive square footage — like private school — is a hedge against public dysfunction and is another example of a replacement purchase. The over-priced neighborhood is perversely desirable when pricing is the only legal means of discrimination in an increasingly dysfunctional society.
Free childhoods disappeared alongside the loss of something harder to measure: the trust that makes a child outdoors seem normal rather than negligent and the local conditions that once made such trust reasonable. These conditions - like many other kinds of social integrity such as intact two-parent homes - have become aggressively sorted by class… The childhood depicted in nostalgic media rested on a dense web of adults who knew each other, shared a rough moral sense, and could be relied upon to mind each other’s children. That web is now a feature of particular places (often expensive places) rather than a general inheritance, and discerning which places have kept it is of key importance for families hoping to raise agentic children with deep networks of trusted friends. Perversely, this turns ‘overpriced homes’ into a feature, rather than a bug. When families have no organic access to likeminded, competent, stable, trustworthy families, they use one of the only mechanisms left which forces some kind of homogeneity: money. People’s revealed preference is to live in arbitrarily expensive neighborhoods because the cost is a moat against endemic dysfunction. Or, as one X user put it, families must escape the tyranny of the bottom quintile which has been allowed to run rampant. —
Childhood freedom is a now luxury good

The socializing that happened in parks, neighborhoods, boy scouts, etc. now must happen in the private domain. A bigger house, which includes a large playroom and yard, is the private replacement for a public square that no longer functions and is thus necessary infrastructure as much as luxury.

An owned home is the material base of psychological stability: it fixes housing costs against inflation, converts rent into equity, roots a family in a particular place among particular neighbors, and provides the security without which people demonstrably hesitate to marry and reproduce.

Robert Sampson’s research on Chicago found that the collective efficacy which keeps neighborhoods safe — mutual trust plus the willingness of residents to intervene for the common good — is strongest where residents own their homes and stay put. Ownership is both a private good and the raw material of the social capital whose destruction started this spiral. A generation locked out of ownership is locked out of both.

Marriage follows the same pattern. Women now substantially outnumber men on university campuses and outpace them in degrees earned, yet the preference for husbands who match or exceed a wife’s income and education has not correspondingly relaxed. The result is a radical market mismatch.

Daniel Lichter, Joseph Price, and Jeffrey Swigert constructed statistical profiles of the husbands that today’s unmarried women would marry, based on the actual husbands of demographically comparable married women.

These “synthetic husbands” have incomes 58 percent higher than the real unmarried men available; they are 30 percent more likely to be employed and 19 percent more likely to hold a college degree. The men whom women are prepared to marry bear little resemblance to their struggling real-world counterparts. The few who shape up to the fantasy are snapped up quickly.

For a regular man, this implies that becoming marriageable now requires clearing exceptional bars: a degree (with the debt that comes attached) and an income well above the male median (also — 6ft, muscular physique, etc. etc.). Likewise social media has raised the expectations against which men are measured to make-believe levels. A working man in 1965 was marriageable by default in a way that his grandson is not. Again, all of this leverages tremendous economic pressure on men to overperform.

Supposing marriage and family formation is achieved, new parents discover that the activities formerly provided by ‘free-range childhoods’ must now be bought as expensive private services. Supervision that neighbors and older siblings once provided becomes daycare and after-school programs.

The average annual cost of childcare reached $13,128 in 2024, a 29 percent rise in four years; infant care now exceeds in-state college tuition in most of the US. All of this buys back, imperfectly and at great cost, what the 1960s family got free. “Intensive parenting,” routinely diagnosed as a cultural fashion, is a rational insurance response to a collapsed commons.
The transition to the economic default of the two-earner household intensifies these pressures. A household with a parent at home produces an enormous stream of untaxed, uncounted output: childcare, cooking and cleaning, budget management, and the daily maintenance of relations with other families (ie. social capital).

Move the at-home spouse into the labor market and every service she provided must be repurchased from the latest private equity roll-up (nursery, takeaway, cleaner, security system…). GDP records each purchase as growth. A family can thus be measured as substantially richer while consuming the same services — only now they spend less time together.

Education is the same. The credential became increasingly mandatory and increasingly ruinous. This is where Rob Henderson’s analysis really misses the mark: if a hugely increased percentage of young people are going to college — and thus losing years of their lives and accruing record debt — without substantially increased earnings, that bodes very badly for the young indeed.

In a service economy with proliferating occupational licensing and degree screening, the bachelor’s degree is now required in almost all dynamic sectors. I used to work for a company whose founder made a lot of noise about not requiring degrees! In practice, based on my experience both being interviewed and later interviewing and hiring others, the company absolutely did require degrees (in fact, it required the very best ones and prestigious graduate studies were desirable).

Real tuition and fees have roughly tripled at public universities since 1990 and risen
about fivefold since 1970; average debt at graduation has risen 41 percent
in real terms just since 2007, and total student debt now approaches $1.8 trillion. For a large fraction of borrowers the wage premium never offsets the balance, and the debt functions purely as a tax on family formation: it raises the savings threshold for a down payment, delays marriage, and delays or forecloses children.
And beneath higher education sits the same repurchasing dynamic at the school level. The public school was among the most valuable components of the inherited commons: perhaps not perfect, but usually a free, orderly, locally trusted institution that a family got with its address. Where it has decayed into disorder — and urban district performance and safety data leave little doubt that in many places it has — families face tough choices.

The cheap and effective Catholic school system of old has largely collapsed due to the dearth of nuns. And so the options are pay private tuition (which has risen about
158 percent in real terms since 1973), pay the housing premium for a catchment with a functional school, or pay in parental labor through homeschooling and forfeit the second income on which the broader economy is calibrated.

The “good school district” premium is a particularly pure example of social capital being financialized and resold as real estate.
Employment volatility and changes in the career market compound all of this. Young people whose income arrives in unpredictable tranches rationally desire a larger private buffer before committing (savings, credentials, attainment of a rare stable career…). This comes at the moment when housing, education, and childcare inflation have made this buffer tremendously hard to attain.

The young are told they are richer, and in the currency of flat-screen televisions they are. But the goods that constitute a life — house, spouse, children, good school, good neighbors — have inflated so far beyond wages that the ordinary life path of 1965 now requires an extraordinary income. It turns out that we do actually need social capital. They are not doing well! If you found this essay valuable, please share it.

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A recent article from The Cut received a huge amount of attention:

‘It’s Hard to See My Parents Live So Lavishly While We’re Struggling’.

The piece includes vignettes of Millenial hardship:
And this quote sums it up...

....."Steve told me. “I just have a real problem with handouts. And I want him to have the satisfaction of knowing he’s built something himself, with his own hard work. That’s how I was raised, too."..

The poor Millennials want EVERYTHING given to them, they refuse to work for it.

What's the number one retirement plan of Millennials?? Inherit their Parent's wealth.... Not work for it....
 
You’ve dropped your meme, strutted around with your cliches, now move along so the article can be discussed.
I did discuss it, and boiled it down to the simple form: More whining by your generation, because they didn't get "theirs", like those evil Boomers did, that you hate.
 

42% of adults rely on their parents for financial support​

A large portion of U.S. adults are making ends meet with help from their parents.

Forty-two percent of Americans say they rely on the previous generation for financial support, according to Northwestern Mutual’s 2026 Planning & Progress Study. That figure includes 72% of Gen Zers, more than half of millennials and one-third of Generation X.

Whether Mom and Dad are funding a cell phone plan or a home down payment, this kind of intergenerational support can inspire powerful feelings, says Megan McCoy, a financial therapist and professor at Kansas State University.

“Language around supporting adult children tends to always have a bad guy, like, ‘the kid’s not grown up,’ or ‘the parents are too easy,’” she says. “But I wish people saw it more as a dance between people, and that neither of them is the reason this is going on. It’s a pattern that’s developed over time.”

When done correctly, financial assistance from parents can act as “scaffolding” for an adult child, something they can use to build a successful life for themselves, McCoy says.

Savvy financial assistance requires constant communication, McCoy and other experts say. Without it, you run the risk of hurt feelings, especially if one or both parties seek independence — or one side is benefitting at the expense of the other.

Maximize the impact of financial assistance​

If you want to eventually transfer wealth to your children, doing it sooner rather than later can help ensure that your money has the maximum financial impact, says McCoy.

“The whole cycle of waiting for an inheritance to give is counterproductive,” she says. “Oftentimes, that inheritance comes when the child is at the most financially stable part of their lives, instead of giving them the gifts when they need the support the most.”

McCoy recommends using monetary support in ways that either alleviate the child’s financial stress or help them move closer to their financial goals.

The former might look like helping a child pay off student debt, keeping them on your health insurance or stepping in to cover emergency expenses. The latter could be contributing to a home purchase or paying a child’s rent while they work through graduate school.

“You’re looking for something that is going to help them get to another level of development or access,” McCoy says.

Manage the emotions tied to financial gifts​

Financial gifts can be emotionally charged. Parents might feel resentful about helping their child. Children might feel entitled to endless support or, on the flipside, feel ashamed about accepting help. To avoid these situations, it’s important for all parties to understand the thinking behind the support, McCoy says.

For parents, it’s important to interrogate the reason behind the financial gift, McCoy says. “Make sure you’re not gifting because you feel guilty you weren’t there for them more or because you want to have power and control over their decision making,” she says. “And don’t gift because you don’t think they can do it on their own.”

For children, it’s important to understand that this assistance is meant to temporarily help them through an important period. It isn’t an indefinite extension of their reliance on their parents, says Nikki Macdonald, a certified financial planner with Northwestern Mutual.

With some of her adult children clients, the thinking is, “it’s always been like that, so why would I change it if I’m still getting money from my parents for certain things?” Macdonald says. “Some come to think of it as a necessity.”

 
Let’s have a discussion

For those 60 plus, how many of you had cell phones or bills for such things to the tune of 300$ a month
how many of you drove new cars in your 20’s let alone bmw’s or audi’s
how many had 200 cable tv channels
how many of you went on vacations let alone flying around the country.
How many worked only 40 hours a week
How many times did you eat out or have door dash bring you a milkshake?

id venture to say no one above 60 engaged in anything like this when they were in starting out.
Cable Tv, haha. I had some rabbit ears or a roof mounted antenna and had 10 channels
40hrs? Haha. I worked 48 hrs a week for 20 years
Eat out? Once a month if I was lucky growing up
Cell phones? I carried a roll of dimes or quarters. If I wanted to call someone and not use that corded monster mounted on the wall of my home.
New Cars? Forget about it. Lucky if it was under 5 years old. No such thing as leasing.
Flying? My first flight was to Los Angeles and my second flight was home from san Francisco.
Door dash for a milk shake or cheeseburger? Ah no. Either get on your bike to pedal down to the burger joint or break out the blender and some breyers.
Ai? My AI was an encyclopedia that I had to read.
 
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We as a society are undergoing massive changes and that's the key point. For one thing, dating- you'd most likely meet your future mate at school or work. Now, especially at work, asking someone out could be the start of massive difficulties.
 
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Let’s have a discussion

For those 60 plus, how many of you had cell phones or bills for such things to the tune of 300$ a month
how many of you drove new cars in your 20’s let alone bmw’s or audi’s
how many had 200 cable tv channels
how many of you went on vacations let alone flying around the country.
How many worked only 40 hours a week
How many times did you eat out or have door dash bring you a milkshake?

id venture to say no one above 60 engaged in anything like this when they were in starting out.
Cable Tv, haha. I had some rabbit ears or a roof mounted antenna and had 10 channels
40hrs? Haha. I worked 48 hrs a week for 20 years
Eat out? Once a month if I was lucky growing up
Cell phones? I carried a roll of dimes or quarters. If I wanted to call someone and not use that corded monster mounted on the wall of my home.
New Cars? Forget about it. Lucky if it was under 5 years old. No such thing as leasing.
Flying? My first flight was to Los Angeles and my second flight was home from san Francisco.
Door dash for a milk shake or cheeseburger? Ah no. Either get on your bike to pedal down to the burger joint or break out the blender and some breyers.
Ai? My AI was an encyclopedia that I had to read.

Oh come on now. Even in Mayberry Barney could head over to the diner and see Juanita like three days a week.
 
I disagree! I think that Millennials and Zoomers are not doing fine. In fact, I think there have been structural changes to our economy and society which clearly explain why these cohorts are failing to move through the five pillars of a stable middle-class existence: education, stable employment, marriage, homeownership, children.
In spite of the naysayers, I agree with the premise of the article. Are there Millennials and Zoomers who waste opportunities? Of course there are. As a Boomer I can think of some of my generation who did dumb things.

But my teaching career gave me some insight into what was happening TO younger generations and my observations of what was done after the 2008 financial crisis adds to the problems.

And quite frankly many of the structural problems that have hit the younger generations also hit the Boomers in the '90s with deindustrialization. It's just not widely acknowledged.

There is a reason why so many Boomers are stacking shelves at the supermarket, greeters at Walmart, etc. It's not just poor decision-making.

I'm fortunate in that I have been retired quite some time and between my pension and SS, I can still save money. But I understand full well that I benefitted from both the social capital and financial structure from my younger years.

In the 90s I was able to buy a duplex in a nice neighborhood. In the early 2000s, section 8 housing became a thing and rents went through the roof. And so did crime. A young couple that I knew were paying more in rent than was needed for payments for a starter home. They were millennials and scraping the down payment together for a home was impossible. They eventually moved in with his mother and were able to do it.

Having 0- bound treasuries for well over a decade has really created an imbalance for both younger and older generations. Assets prices are way too high and savings rates are way too low. There are risks at both ends of the spectrum.

And I think that this business of generational warfare is deliberate. Getting snarky about the shortcomings of each generation doesn't bode well for finding solutions.
 
Its more about upbringing than generational.

Out of 9 kids the 7 that me and my current wife raised are doing okay, a couple of them could be doing better, but there hard workers and get up in the mornings.

Two we didn't have a chanch to raise because of the government system. I couldn't get custody of them at least for the whole summers. And did try. The state said every other weekend and holiday etc... thats really stupid when I live 1500 miles away.

Both still live in the house I built for them and their mother who never remarried and are now in there upper 27 and 31 YO. Both blame me for all their ills. All 3 are flaming liberals. All three have never seen a government hand out as a temporary thing. But one that is owed to them. The ex knows how to play the system bigly.

As a independent capitalist my two youngest think I'm a vary bad person. Its environment.
 
We live in a "I want it yesterday," society.

My parents started out in a starter home and bought it before they married. They saved up and bought the appliances before they got married. The only furniture they had to start out with was a set of webbed law chairs.

I grew up in a one parent working household. Watched way too much Tee Vee growing up and thought I had to have everything new at once when I got married because of that brainwashing crud.

Dad made good money as a welder ... until I was in Jr. High in the '70s and the construction trade took a steep downturn.

He was "on the bench," a lot waiting for a job to come in. He went to Ohio (we lived in Michigan), where he worked hard all week and split motel fees with a few other guys. He would come home on weekends.

When I got married the second time around, at age 23, I had accumulated some things to start a household with.

It was the '80s, and not a prosperous time. We made due. We both worked... until I had our first born. Then things got really tight.

We both thought it important for me to stay home and raise our family.

I had a Friend who decided to work outside the house for her sanity. She had one ADHD boy. She told me by the time she figured out the expense of working, she was only $15 ahead every week.

My Daughter thought I should support her and her family (partner and two boys). Knowing her mental health was in a precarious state, I did for about a year. I don't regret it because THAT was her inheritance. I'm done with her and hers (they cut me off after I told her partner he was taking advantage of me). He still doesn't work. They've been in Michigan seven years now. She works.

When I was paying the bills and letting them live rent free, I went over to the house (inherited from my Mom), and I found EVERY light in the place on and nobody home.

She wasn't raised that way. Her Brother isn't that way. I'm generous to him, when I can afford to be. He actually appreciates it.

Each generation has their own challenges, unless people are born into a wealthy family.

This was the land of opportunity. I took mine and was a stay at home Mom. We didn't have money, but people were kind and gave us lots of things (furniture and clothes for me from one of my Mom's friends). I was thankful for everything.

We were poor monetarily. I don't measure wealth by fiat currency and possessions.

Different strokes for different folks. Attitude is everything. Being entitled isn't the attitude I espouse.
 
Our empire is so wealthy that there is no act stupid enough to warrant the Charles Darwin Cleanup Award.

Example: Having gender affirming surgery to remove your reproductive organs to change your sex. How is that even thought of unless there is so much money sloshing about in the economy to just throw away an entire life. Darwin? Charles Darwin? . . . Anyone seen Charles today?
 
From the original article:
…his dad, Steve, sold his company to a private equity firm about five years ago, which enabled him to retire comfortably in his mid-60s…Two years ago, Joe asked his dad for a loan. He wanted to start a lawn-care business and needed capital for commercial-grade equipment and a trailer, at least $15,000. He presented Steve with his business plan, which included a schedule to pay back the money. Still, Steve said “no.”… Joe hasn’t started the business. He works for a property-management firm and does landscaping work on the side to bring in extra money. But he has two young kids of his own and finds it difficult to save. “Without some initial help, it’s pretty unrealistic that I’ll ever be able to go the entrepreneurial route,” he says. Steve, on the other hand, thinks he’s teaching his son a valuable lesson on self-reliance. “It’s not that I can’t afford to help him,” Steve told me. “I just have a real problem with handouts. And I want him to have the satisfaction of knowing he’s built something himself, with his own hard work. That’s how I was raised, too.


Dad is a jerk, to put it politely. Son asked for a LOAN. He had a business plan. Loan was small to start a business. He didn't ask for $100,000+. Son was not asking for a handout. Son still has to go out and cut the lawns. Son has to trim bushes or the edges of sidewalks.

Two kids (middle school maybe early high school) came through the neighborhood two weeks ago or so. They had lawn care equipment. I hired them. They worked hard. I tipped them and even gave them a polybag of LEGO (they chose) because they did a good job. Lawn people make good money. The son in the above has a reason to be disappointed in his dad. I'm disappoined in the dad.
 
From the original article:
…his dad, Steve, sold his company to a private equity firm about five years ago, which enabled him to retire comfortably in his mid-60s…Two years ago, Joe asked his dad for a loan. He wanted to start a lawn-care business and needed capital for commercial-grade equipment and a trailer, at least $15,000. He presented Steve with his business plan, which included a schedule to pay back the money. Still, Steve said “no.”… Joe hasn’t started the business. He works for a property-management firm and does landscaping work on the side to bring in extra money. But he has two young kids of his own and finds it difficult to save. “Without some initial help, it’s pretty unrealistic that I’ll ever be able to go the entrepreneurial route,” he says. Steve, on the other hand, thinks he’s teaching his son a valuable lesson on self-reliance. “It’s not that I can’t afford to help him,” Steve told me. “I just have a real problem with handouts. And I want him to have the satisfaction of knowing he’s built something himself, with his own hard work. That’s how I was raised, too.


Dad is a jerk, to put it politely. Son asked for a LOAN. He had a business plan. Loan was small to start a business. He didn't ask for $100,000+. Son was not asking for a handout. Son still has to go out and cut the lawns. Son has to trim bushes or the edges of sidewalks.

Two kids (middle school maybe early high school) came through the neighborhood two weeks ago or so. They had lawn care equipment. I hired them. They worked hard. I tipped them and even gave them a polybag of LEGO (they chose) because they did a good job. Lawn people make good money. The son in the above has a reason to be disappointed in his dad. I'm disappoined in the dad.
Completely agree. Impressive that he had a business plan AND a pay-back schedule.
 
Let’s have a discussion

For those 60 plus, how many of you had cell phones or bills for such things to the tune of 300$ a month
how many of you drove new cars in your 20’s let alone bmw’s or audi’s
how many had 200 cable tv channels
how many of you went on vacations let alone flying around the country.
How many worked only 40 hours a week
How many times did you eat out or have door dash bring you a milkshake?

id venture to say no one above 60 engaged in anything like this when they were in starting out.
Cable Tv, haha. I had some rabbit ears or a roof mounted antenna and had 10 channels
40hrs? Haha. I worked 48 hrs a week for 20 years
Eat out? Once a month if I was lucky growing up
Cell phones? I carried a roll of dimes or quarters. If I wanted to call someone and not use that corded monster mounted on the wall of my home.
New Cars? Forget about it. Lucky if it was under 5 years old. No such thing as leasing.
Flying? My first flight was to Los Angeles and my second flight was home from san Francisco.
Door dash for a milk shake or cheeseburger? Ah no. Either get on your bike to pedal down to the burger joint or break out the blender and some breyers.
Ai? My AI was an encyclopedia that I had to read.
I do agree.

Ordering a single large pizza delivered for a family of 4 was considered eating out. So were TV dinners....

Unless you were Perry Mason on TV, you didn't have a cell..... and land lines were not cheap.

We even paid for long distance...... who does that these days?

60+ hours or 2 jobs were the norm. Often people had 3

Our new car was on average 10 years old.....

No one flied unless they were rich or important

The library or encylopedia's were the only way to research something and that was on average 5-10 years out of date.

The issue overall ( in my opinion ) is that things have been so good for so long ( overall we are living the best humans have ever lived at this point and have been since the 1950s ) that we are getting spoiled.

I remember real hunger when I was young. Yes, it was common to go without a meal for a day or two. We often ate only a single meal a day. We just could not afford the food. Today? We are all fat ( yes the food has changed also ) and very few really go without for any length of time.

Yes, cars are now really expensive. Yet they were just as expensive then. We can not find decent cars these days mostly due to stupid government policies..... the need for more "safety" equipment. 16 airbags to save another 10 lives per year is silly. The money and time could be spent on more productive things.

Like illegals who kill Americans..... lot more than 10 per year on that one.

My point is that we have become, as a nation or people, a bit spoiled by the ongoing good times we have experienced over the last few decades.
 
In my opinion, people are applying old solutions to "new" problems. Outside of highly advanced careers like medicine, engineering and the like, advanced education is questionable at best. There isn't that much need for management which only leads to bureaucracy (IMHO). I worked to make money from the time I was 10, filling the Coke machine, putting the empty bottles in a case and sweeping the floors of the variety store up town. I made a raging 20 cents a week.

Here's some snippets from mikeroweWORKS Foundation . It's interesting and many of these jobs will put a young man or woman into a six figure job within a few years. I've seen it with a nephew who's a welder. The only problem is, you have to work.
From Mike Rowe:

"It’s not a lack of opportunity or a shortage of good jobs. It’s simpler than that: we’ve been lying to ourselves about what success looks like.

Over the last 40 years, America has convinced itself that the best path for the most people is an expensive, four-year degree. Pop culture has glorified the “corner office job” while unintentionally belittling the kind of work that built the corner office. As a result, we’ve devalued any other path to success, and an entire generation of people don’t understand the opportunities that exist.

For every 5 workers retiring, only 2 people from the next generation are replacing them. 79% of parents push college, and only 6% encourage the trades. Stigmas and stereotypes discourage millions from exploring these opportunities.

More than 7 million high-paying, AI-proof jobs that don’t require a four-year degree remain unfilled in the U.S."
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my opinion?
The only problem I see is that folks would rather not work. They'd rather have their parents keep paying their way. Shame on the parents who facilitate that. Or folks would rather get on the government dole.

I personally think Kurtz is mostly incorrect. There is a ton of opportunity out there for anybody who will go after it.
 
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From the original article:
…his dad, Steve, sold his company to a private equity firm about five years ago, which enabled him to retire comfortably in his mid-60s…Two years ago, Joe asked his dad for a loan. He wanted to start a lawn-care business and needed capital for commercial-grade equipment and a trailer, at least $15,000. He presented Steve with his business plan, which included a schedule to pay back the money. Still, Steve said “no.”… Joe hasn’t started the business. He works for a property-management firm and does landscaping work on the side to bring in extra money. But he has two young kids of his own and finds it difficult to save. “Without some initial help, it’s pretty unrealistic that I’ll ever be able to go the entrepreneurial route,” he says. Steve, on the other hand, thinks he’s teaching his son a valuable lesson on self-reliance. “It’s not that I can’t afford to help him,” Steve told me. “I just have a real problem with handouts. And I want him to have the satisfaction of knowing he’s built something himself, with his own hard work. That’s how I was raised, too.


Dad is a jerk, to put it politely. Son asked for a LOAN. He had a business plan. Loan was small to start a business. He didn't ask for $100,000+. Son was not asking for a handout. Son still has to go out and cut the lawns. Son has to trim bushes or the edges of sidewalks.

Two kids (middle school maybe early high school) came through the neighborhood two weeks ago or so. They had lawn care equipment. I hired them. They worked hard. I tipped them and even gave them a polybag of LEGO (they chose) because they did a good job. Lawn people make good money. The son in the above has a reason to be disappointed in his dad. I'm disappoined in the dad.

Agree with Steve.

So many businesses go under, because right off the back they go into debt. Stupid. And often the owner or owners use the monies they just got loaned to them for business expenses only on their selves personal wants or pay.

Perhaps Steve saw that coming.
 
We as a society are undergoing massive changes and that's the key point. For one thing, dating- you'd most likely meet your future mate at school or work. Now, especially at work, asking someone out could be the start of massive difficulties.
No kidding.
It was 1995, hired a pretty lady to be my assistant.
1996, told her to go in and quit, I would fund her unemployment.
1999, married her.

It is so different today. Though work is still #1 or 2 for meeting someone, or someone who knows someone looking.
 
Completely agree. Impressive that he had a business plan AND a pay-back schedule.
I agree, to a point. IF his business plan and payment plans were realistic, he should talk to a few local banks or credit unions. $15k isn't a huge sum... assuming much of it would be for tools and machinery, (ie: hard collateral), I'd say it should be possible for him to get a loan.

Summerthyme
 
Just like for Boomers it is going to take some thinking outside the box. Per post 7 I had none of those things. And we grew up well. I inherited nothing from my parents until this past year when they passed. I am 65.

So what did I have to do different?

Live in something that does not cost an arm and a leg. Bought a cheap one bedroom mobile home and only had to pay lot rent. It was well used but warm and dry. Today one can purchase a cheap RV and park it on a lot, or a barebones tiny house. It is no different than a studio apartment.

Here is an idea for single people. Join the military. See the world. Live on base, eat base food, and bank every dime you get. Yes it is 4 years of your life and you will get out at age 23 with a strong start. It's a risk I know but so is everything else.

Then it took two incomes to actually be able to save. We both worked two jobs for a year or so. It will not kill someone to work two jobs for one year. Especially if both do it. You live off one check and bank the rest. Yes it sucks not having a life for a year but it never killed anyone.

Then it took moving to a cheaper area of the country to afford home prices when we were ready to own. We were in CA. My then spouse was from MO. MO was way cheaper than CA. Yes it sucks to have to move away from somewhere you like. But once you get your feet under you you can always move back. And honestly by the time that happens usually it's not such a big deal anymore. This has been true for past generations as well.

Both sets of my grandparents, one set from OK, and the other set from CO, had to move to CA from where they lived to find work, ended up setting down and staying. Both intended to move back to prior places.

Then it took balancing work with home care for children. One worked day shift and one worked second or third shift. I drove a school bus and made decent money. Took my child with me we managed to rig up a seat belt for the car seat that was safe and he was right behind me. My point being there are always ways around things.

Then things began to smooth out. I went into healthcare later in life. Graduated with a BSN at age 33. I worked for the first two years of college. NO student loans for the first two years.

By that time we sold the house and bought a place with property. By this time we are late 30's.

My point being it takes time to build wealth. We didn't just get where we are overnight. And it took some hard sacrifices at the start.

On top of ALL THAT. I got a divorce and it wiped me out of everything and I had to start over. Since I was the breadwinner all the assets went in the divorce. But having reached maturity and a decent paying job I was able to bounce back.

Nothing has ever been handed to anyone unless you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth. And it does help if we can lend our kids a small hand out to get started. As long as they are mature enough to actually build on it and use it wisely. And getting married young and divorcing young will always set you back. Choices have consequences. I don't necessarily think it is a bad thing that people are marrying later and having kids later. You do what it takes to make it work.

Even You Tube is flooded with videos of people of all ages who have opted to live out of vans and travel the country working and living. Only cost is food and gas. Saving everything for the future. 5 years of van life is no different than traveling across the USA in a covered wagon 100 years ago. People did what they had to do to make a different life for themselves. It has always been this way. And why people now days think you just grow up and start midway much less at the top is an unrealistic expectation.
 
I'd say it should be possible for him to get a loan
Unsecured debt has been available for anyone with a documented income.

I'm not saying starting a business on credit card debt is right for EVERYONE but a driven productive person can make it work.

Or it fails, hence the "unsecured" part... who cares.. go for it.

That lawn care business is a classic proverbial gold mine for peeps that don't mind to sweat.

I couldn't deal with the public or I would consider it for a part-time gig.
 
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Unsecured debt has been available for anyone with a documented income.

I'm not say starting a business on credit card debt is right for EVERYONE but a driven productive person can make it work.

Or it fails, hence the "unsecured" part... who cares.. go for it.

That lawn care business is a classic proverbial gold mine for peeps that don't mind to sweat.

I couldn't deal with the public or I would consider it for a part-time gig.
I dunno...today's credit card interest rates are higher than what used to be considered illegal usary! Paying 20-30% interest on startup costs is likely to include you in the 95% of small business startups that failing the first year.

But if he wants it bad enough, there definitely should be a way.

Summerthyme
 
The businesses I've started we had no business loans. Did pull a loan for a old barn. That we lived in at first. But the property was the collateral.

Again we don't know the whole story stated above.

If one of my kids started a lawn business and needed help, they would get the equipment if warranted. Meaning they would work it and take care of said equipment. Then I might consider helping them get land to base business on etc..

The whole idea of asking Dad for a lump sum? Forget it. You don't start a business with loans! Especially with family. I wouldn't even expect to be paid back in government fiat monies!

Perhaps if warranted, we don't know the whole situation.
 
Dad is a jerk, to put it politely. Son asked for a LOAN. He had a business plan.
Well, there's more to this story. Just having a business plan, is meaningless, until we know EXACTLY what was in it.

Dad WAS a businessman.... Son wants to be one.... Big difference.

I agree, to a point. IF his business plan and payment plans were realistic,
And there it is...

What was in the plan, was it realistic, did he understand all his costs, what were his marketing plans, plans for the off season..??

Many questions, and we don't know the answers, and it seems that sonny boy felt entitled to dad's money..... just because...

For all we know, Dad just taught sonny boy a HUGE business lesson...

But if he wants it bad enough, there definitely should be a way.
Like starting a GoFundMe page..... LOL...
 
Let’s have a discussion

For those 60 plus, how many of you had cell phones or bills for such things to the tune of 300$ a month
how many of you drove new cars in your 20’s let alone bmw’s or audi’s
how many had 200 cable tv channels
how many of you went on vacations let alone flying around the country.
How many worked only 40 hours a week
How many times did you eat out or have door dash bring you a milkshake?
But, but, but... you don't understand.... Inflation is making it really tough to survive (said all the kids)..... LOL...

No... Their SPENDING habits is making it tough to survive....
 
Young adults are poor despite every metric which suggests otherwise
Johann Kurtz
@JohannKurtz
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Jul 14

A recent article from The Cut received a huge amount of attention:

‘It’s Hard to See My Parents Live So Lavishly While We’re Struggling’.

The piece includes vignettes of Millenial hardship:



The virality of this piece prompted a discussion between Louise Perry and Rob Henderson:
‘The politics of the downwardly mobile class’.
Rob disagreed with the Cut article’s perspective:



I disagree! I think that Millennials and Zoomers are not doing fine. In fact, I think there have been structural changes to our economy and society which clearly explain why these cohorts are failing to move through the five pillars of a stable middle-class existence: education, stable employment, marriage, homeownership, children.


- Johann

View: https://twitter.com/johannkurtz/status/2077113148524417439?s=46
This article hits the nail on the head on every point.

And let me say first that the "Evil-Boomers" and "Spoiled Millennials" trolls need not respond--we already KNOW what you think (one-note Charleys) so maybe (as TFerguson said) the rest of the adults in the room can discuss the issue.

I have 3 sons.

I raised them in the 1990's-late 20-teens in a one-income, home-schooling home, where my husband was only a drafter (no big-salary executive, iow) and that plus some income from my parents' savings left to me, plus the home I grew up in being left to me as an only chilld (Mortgage-free) was the ONLY thing that enabled me to do that--to stay at home to raise our kids and school them, despite my husband's frequent job-losses and all the other costs that go along with maintaining an old (1960's) home. We raised/preserved our own food as much as possible, shopped in thrift stores for the boys' clothes growing up (and I catalogued each of them by size and saved in boxes the clothes purchased for the oldest son to be passed down to the middle son and then the youngest in turn, to save on expenses). We purchased used cars and "drive them till they drop." We didn't go on expensive vacations. We didn't eat out much. We bought school materials second-hand. We trusted the Lord for our provision and He supplied.

I was determined my boys would NOT be saddled with college debt, and thanks to their industry (which led to some scholarships) and God's provision (through the unexpected sale of some timber off some land) we were able to pay for college for two of our sons--the other we started to pay for but then he took that over and finished college paying-as-he-went for himself. (he's the one with the PhD now). All three are employed--oldest with a good job with the Federal Government (Library of Congress), second as mid-level mgmt IT in an eastern IT company, youngest at a hardware store where his dad also now works (part-time retirement job for hubby).

Oldest son in DC is saving for down-payment on a home. He is "the" Braille Music Librarian for the Library of Congress--so a unique job position for which he is specifically qualified. He makes the highest level he is allowed for his "category" of federal employment, but then again bear in mind that expenses--living in Washington DC--are VERY high. He wants to buy something (like a nice townhome) in VA (near his church) as a permanent home, both as an investment and in the hope of one day getting married and having a home to bring his wife to. Townhouses in that area START at $750,000. He has to pay $1900/mo for rent for a 950 sf basement apartment in an old rowhouse (probably dating from the late 1800's) in a 'fair' but not-necessarily-nice area of NW DC --not counting utilities / food / transportation / clothes / other expenses. He's proud he's saved about $20K. I try not to discourage him, and keep praying God will provide for him as he always has.

Middle son was able to purchase a NICE 4-bedroom home (1980's built sort of cabin-style--nothing fancy (see pic) during the
housing crimp caused by the Covid crisis. $400K. Great deal on both the home and the very low interest rate he got. His salary is such that he has to take in boarders (friends renting rooms) to help pay the mortgage. The mortgage rate hasn't gone up due to the set rate he obtained when he took out the loan, but the bank apparently gets around that by upping "other" costs -- "service fees" and so forth--plus of course the cost of home insurance is sky-rocketing the last few years due to home values going up, cost of materials/labor for home repair/replacement going up heavily, etc., property taxes (figured into the mortgage, of course)--all this figures into the increase in his mortgage payments. He's hoping to get married within the next year or so, and I'm hoping he and his wife will not be chained to a mortgage so that they will be free to (if they wish) have her home with their kids (as her mother was with her and as I was with him) and home-school if they want to (they're both brainiacs so they'd be very good at it). But --- finances may make it impossible--even though he's an IT exec and she's a chemist.

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Youngest son lives with us, and (for now) helps us take care of this "little farm", while working with his dad. He is thinking about changing jobs, but as far as the home situation loves this home and didn't want to leave it--loves the area, loves the land, loves the proximity to things he enjoys (like railfanning)--so he will inherit our home when we're gone. But so far he's not found the career that really suits him (and he also has some special-needs that made school hard--not that he didn't do well, but let's just say it took him 4 years to complete the normally 2-year Associate's Degree he has) and what he is making now WILL NOT support him as far as paying for home upkeep, property taxes, and other living expenses when we're gone. Praying he'll find his way soon and God will lead him to a better job.

ALL of them are working HARD.

ALL of them did WELL in school (two of them qualified for substantial scholarships). Oldest has a Master's, second born a PhD, youngest the Associate's.

NONE of them have college debt.

The ones who can drive all drive OLD used cars (2002 and 2005).

They are NOT spendthrifts.

And ALL of them are STRUGGLING in this economy to succeed at the level their dad and I did when we married.

It IS different, and I do worry for them.

The ones who think, Well, "I" did so-and-so and my "parents" did so-and-so, who still live out in the boonies (maybe in a single-wide?) who sit in their armchairs and criticize---maybe you need to get out more.
 
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For every 5 workers retiring, only 2 people from the next generation are replacing them. 79% of parents push college, and only 6% encourage the trades. Stigmas and stereotypes discourage millions from exploring these opportunities.

More than 7 million high-paying, AI-proof jobs that don’t require a four-year degree remain unfilled in the U.S."
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If 79% of parents push college and only 6% encourage trades--I guess the remaining 15% are telling Precious that "skoo ain goan hep none. Gitcho ass down to de welfare."--that means a lot of tradespeople are NOT encouraging trades.

What does that say about the trades?
 
So, this just came up on my feed. I don't want to judge this young woman too harshly, and maybe she's making mid-six figures and can easily afford this...

But it wouldn't surprise me at all to find she's renting, has little savings, and in ten years will be blaming "boomers greed" for why she can't afford a home and family.

This type of narcissism used to be mostly confined to Hollywood stars...


Cierra Desmaratti says beauty matters in the corporate world as an actuarial analyst.

She spends $800 on her hair every three months and gets her makeup professionally done for events.

Moving to Miami helped her embrace her authentic style and feel more confident at work
.

As an actuarial analyst, I've felt a lot of pressure to be viewed as competent. I'm a very feminine person, and I've grappled with how to express my feminine sense of style without undermining how seriously people take me.

When I was working at Deloitte in Chicago, I wore neutral colors and pants every day, trying to find acceptance through conformity.

Moving to a place as colorful and expressive as Miami has inspired me to embrace my femininity and find ways to show up at work confidently and authentically. I spend my days in dresses and heels, and even spend $800 every three months to get my hair done.

Some people might say it's extra, but beauty matters in the corporate world in the sense that we're judged first by our appearance. It's important to look clean and professional, but it's also important for me to feel like myself.

I'm a girly girl. I like to spend money on my looks, buy new dresses, and get my hair done. Miami's environment has given me the courage to express my professional identity, to allow myself to be seen, and to hopefully attract people who resonate with me.

The majority of my budget goes towards hair, dresses, and makeup. I actually took a makeup class to learn how to enhance my natural everyday makeup look, and I also enjoy and invest in getting my makeup professionally done before my networking events.

On average, I spend $150 to $400 a month for clothes, makeup, and accessories.

I host professional networking events for my group, The Rising Visionaries, once a month, which means the cost of maintaining my beauty and personal brand image is higher than when I started at Deloitte.

I think the way I dress now makes me more relatable
My current analyst job is remote, so my calls are online, but for the networking events I host, I dress much differently than I used to at my previous job in Chicago. These days, I like to wear nice dresses and heels, whereas I used to wear a white sweater and some pants.

I haven't felt any negativity since dressing this way. As a matter of fact, I think I've become more relatable. I want people to see me for who I am, and to attract aligned people and opportunities.

I'm sure there are some traditional analysts who see my LinkedIn posts about fashion and are confused about why and how I'm so into fashion and actuarial science, but I want to show that you can be a woman who embraces beauty, authenticity, and femininity and still be competent.

My hair used to impact my confidence at work
Growing up, I always wanted long, beautiful hair, but I didn't always take the best care of my natural 4C, coily hair texture. I also didn't have the finances to.

When I was working at Deloitte, I found it hard to balance caring for my naturally high-maintenance hair with work, and I ended up with a lot of breakage. That affected my confidence at work.

Now that I'm finally in a position to achieve the look I want, I go all in. Every two to three months, I jump on a plane home and catch up with my hairdresser for my three-and-a-half-hour appointment.

I get a sew-in, which requires her to wash and blow out my hair, braid it, sew in the extensions, put a closure on it, and style it. If I want to add color, she colors the extensions beforehand.

As a Black woman, my hair is a big part of my identity
My hair is my crown. It's a big part of my identity. I feel powerful and confident when I show my face in rooms or online now. My long hair makes me feel feminine, regal, and like a power boss.

Whether we love it or not, the first thing people see about us is our appearance, and for me, my hair is such a big part of what frames my face.

Even though my extensions are expensive, I want high-quality human hair that feels like it's coming from my own head. I've never felt more like me at work and in life, and it's so worth it.

Summerthyme
 
So, this just came up on my feed. I don't want to judge this young woman too harshly, and maybe she's making mid-six figures and can easily afford this...

But it wouldn't surprise me at all to find she's renting, has little savings, and in ten years will be blaming "boomers greed" for why she can't afford a home and family.

This type of narcissism used to be mostly confined to Hollywood stars...


Cierra Desmaratti says beauty matters in the corporate world as an actuarial analyst.

She spends $800 on her hair every three months and gets her makeup professionally done for events.

Moving to Miami helped her embrace her authentic style and feel more confident at work
.

As an actuarial analyst, I've felt a lot of pressure to be viewed as competent. I'm a very feminine person, and I've grappled with how to express my feminine sense of style without undermining how seriously people take me.

When I was working at Deloitte in Chicago, I wore neutral colors and pants every day, trying to find acceptance through conformity.

Moving to a place as colorful and expressive as Miami has inspired me to embrace my femininity and find ways to show up at work confidently and authentically. I spend my days in dresses and heels, and even spend $800 every three months to get my hair done.

Some people might say it's extra, but beauty matters in the corporate world in the sense that we're judged first by our appearance. It's important to look clean and professional, but it's also important for me to feel like myself.

I'm a girly girl. I like to spend money on my looks, buy new dresses, and get my hair done. Miami's environment has given me the courage to express my professional identity, to allow myself to be seen, and to hopefully attract people who resonate with me.

The majority of my budget goes towards hair, dresses, and makeup. I actually took a makeup class to learn how to enhance my natural everyday makeup look, and I also enjoy and invest in getting my makeup professionally done before my networking events.

On average, I spend $150 to $400 a month for clothes, makeup, and accessories.

I host professional networking events for my group, The Rising Visionaries, once a month, which means the cost of maintaining my beauty and personal brand image is higher than when I started at Deloitte.

I think the way I dress now makes me more relatable
My current analyst job is remote, so my calls are online, but for the networking events I host, I dress much differently than I used to at my previous job in Chicago. These days, I like to wear nice dresses and heels, whereas I used to wear a white sweater and some pants.

I haven't felt any negativity since dressing this way. As a matter of fact, I think I've become more relatable. I want people to see me for who I am, and to attract aligned people and opportunities.

I'm sure there are some traditional analysts who see my LinkedIn posts about fashion and are confused about why and how I'm so into fashion and actuarial science, but I want to show that you can be a woman who embraces beauty, authenticity, and femininity and still be competent.

My hair used to impact my confidence at work
Growing up, I always wanted long, beautiful hair, but I didn't always take the best care of my natural 4C, coily hair texture. I also didn't have the finances to.

When I was working at Deloitte, I found it hard to balance caring for my naturally high-maintenance hair with work, and I ended up with a lot of breakage. That affected my confidence at work.

Now that I'm finally in a position to achieve the look I want, I go all in. Every two to three months, I jump on a plane home and catch up with my hairdresser for my three-and-a-half-hour appointment.

I get a sew-in, which requires her to wash and blow out my hair, braid it, sew in the extensions, put a closure on it, and style it. If I want to add color, she colors the extensions beforehand.

As a Black woman, my hair is a big part of my identity
My hair is my crown. It's a big part of my identity. I feel powerful and confident when I show my face in rooms or online now. My long hair makes me feel feminine, regal, and like a power boss.

Whether we love it or not, the first thing people see about us is our appearance, and for me, my hair is such a big part of what frames my face.

Even though my extensions are expensive, I want high-quality human hair that feels like it's coming from my own head. I've never felt more like me at work and in life, and it's so worth it.

Summerthyme

Depending on how she's paid--especially if she's a 1099 contractor--she might have just made the perfect case to tax-deduct all that beauty whatnot.
 
I am still shocked every month at the cost of everything. I even have to pay over 200 a year for the privilege of renting my house and they come and question the tenant and do a walk through to make sure I'm not a slum lord or something. But what really shocked me this week was to find out you can't go swimming in a local lake anymore without paying for admission. And then there are so many rules you have to abide by. I just felt sad kind of. We used to go every summer to church camp and had so much fun at this lake.
I dont blame these young people. They can't do what we did to sacrifice so we could build something. Even a 1 bd apt is 1500 mo. or more. And then you have to go through enough security checks to qualify for an FBI appt.
We could choose a furnished all utilities paid 125 mo. And that was a nice one.
TV was free. Used cars for 500 or less. They don't have those choices anymore. I can understand why they think it's hopeless.
 
From the original article:
…his dad, Steve, sold his company to a private equity firm about five years ago, which enabled him to retire comfortably in his mid-60s…Two years ago, Joe asked his dad for a loan. He wanted to start a lawn-care business and needed capital for commercial-grade equipment and a trailer, at least $15,000. He presented Steve with his business plan, which included a schedule to pay back the money. Still, Steve said “no.”… Joe hasn’t started the business. He works for a property-management firm and does landscaping work on the side to bring in extra money. But he has two young kids of his own and finds it difficult to save. “Without some initial help, it’s pretty unrealistic that I’ll ever be able to go the entrepreneurial route,” he says. Steve, on the other hand, thinks he’s teaching his son a valuable lesson on self-reliance. “It’s not that I can’t afford to help him,” Steve told me. “I just have a real problem with handouts. And I want him to have the satisfaction of knowing he’s built something himself, with his own hard work. That’s how I was raised, too.


Dad is a jerk, to put it politely. Son asked for a LOAN. He had a business plan. Loan was small to start a business. He didn't ask for $100,000+. Son was not asking for a handout. Son still has to go out and cut the lawns. Son has to trim bushes or the edges of sidewalks.

Two kids (middle school maybe early high school) came through the neighborhood two weeks ago or so. They had lawn care equipment. I hired them. They worked hard. I tipped them and even gave them a polybag of LEGO (they chose) because they did a good job. Lawn people make good money. The son in the above has a reason to be disappointed in his dad. I'm disappoined in the dad.
Take the banks word for it. If the bank says you can't pay it back, even with a business plan, you can't pay it back. Dad was a genius.

And no mentioned in the article, since it was sliced against boomers, is the turn down by the bank. Because if a bank would give him a loan, he wouldn't need ol' scummy dad. Or visa versa, once dad turned him down, he could have went to a bank, and didn't. The plan was quick sand.

Have said this so many times I'm sick of saying it:

There are RIGHT NOW 4 brand new houses, fresh built in the 1500 sq ft range, roughly 160-180,000.00 sitting empty for a couple of months to a year. Within about 5 miles of me. For sale sign out front. So the article about there not being any houses for sale in that range is an error. And to top it off, why not build your own? Why be dependent on someone else to find land, and build a home.

And the jobs. Well to numerous to mention. All of which can afford those houses above.

BTW @King Samson saw an article a few weeks back over at zerohedge, a financial site, and also a doomer site, that I thought about sending to you, for the ammo against just such an article as the above, totally destroys the above article. Sorry I didn't. I was thinking why keep things stirred up. My bad.
 
About a year or so ago I read that a lot of mom and pop campgrounds and other recreational places are being bought up by private credit, loaded up with debt, and charging so much for the use of it, people may as well go to a motel.

This was around the time that Joanne's and Toys R US went bust for the same reason. Vetinary clinics are experiencing the same thing. And I think that my dental office is in the same boat.

People who were getting some reasonable income are now done out of their jobs when the company can't afford the debt payments.
 
The one thing I will give young people is housing. Depending on where you live, and most young folks will live where the jobs are, housing costs, percentage wise, are definitely higher than when I was coming up. The percentage of income that it takes to buy or rent a place, is much more for them now. When I bought my first house, it was roughly 2x annual income, now, it is 5x income.
 
About a year or so ago I read that a lot of mom and pop campgrounds and other recreational places are being bought up by private credit, loaded up with debt, and charging so much for the use of it, people may as well go to a motel.

This was around the time that Joanne's and Toys R US went bust for the same reason. Vetinary clinics are experiencing the same thing. And I think that my dental office is in the same boat.

People who were getting some reasonable income are now done out of their jobs when the company can't afford the debt payments.
Venture Capital.
Ain't it grand!
 
In my opinion, people are applying old solutions to "new" problems. Outside of highly advanced careers like medicine, engineering and the like, advanced education is questionable at best. There isn't that much need for management which only leads to bureaucracy (IMHO). I worked to make money from the time I was 10, filling the Coke machine, putting the empty bottles in a case and sweeping the floors of the variety store up town. I made a raging 20 cents a week.

Here's some snippets from mikeroweWORKS Foundation . It's interesting and many of these jobs will put a young man or woman into a six figure job within a few years. I've seen it with a nephew who's a welder. The only problem is, you have to work.
From Mike Rowe:

"It’s not a lack of opportunity or a shortage of good jobs. It’s simpler than that: we’ve been lying to ourselves about what success looks like.

Over the last 40 years, America has convinced itself that the best path for the most people is an expensive, four-year degree. Pop culture has glorified the “corner office job” while unintentionally belittling the kind of work that built the corner office. As a result, we’ve devalued any other path to success, and an entire generation of people don’t understand the opportunities that exist.

For every 5 workers retiring, only 2 people from the next generation are replacing them. 79% of parents push college, and only 6% encourage the trades. Stigmas and stereotypes discourage millions from exploring these opportunities.

More than 7 million high-paying, AI-proof jobs that don’t require a four-year degree remain unfilled in the U.S."
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my opinion?
The only problem I see is that folks would rather not work. They'd rather have their parents keep paying their way. Shame on the parents who facilitate that. Or folks would rather get on the government dole.

I personally think Kurtz is mostly incorrect. There is a ton of opportunity out there for anybody who will go after it.

That's what I'm seeing as well.

On the one hand, there were the 19-year-olds who plotted a course at the local community college and got a certificate or degree in a career that fit their skill set and had available, decent-paying jobs. They chose correctly, paid off the loans, and are now doing OK. Case in point: several of the automotive techs, and one is getting ready to open his own shop. I've been running into them while I'm car shopping.

On the other hand, there were 19-year-olds working at grocery stores, living at home, who spend their free time playing video games or sleeping. They're not going anywhere.

Is it easy in 2026? No! It's 2X as hard, I think, but there are opportunities available for those who will work for them, but there's also a ton of lazy youngsters, and some of it is the fault of the parents who never pushed them or allowed them to experience life and learn from mistakes, and their parents share a little of the blame, too.
 
I am still shocked every month at the cost of everything. I even have to pay over 200 a year for the privilege of renting my house and they come and question the tenant and do a walk through to make sure I'm not a slum lord or something. But what really shocked me this week was to find out you can't go swimming in a local lake anymore without paying for admission. And then there are so many rules you have to abide by. I just felt sad kind of. We used to go every summer to church camp and had so much fun at this lake.
I dont blame these young people. They can't do what we did to sacrifice so we could build something. Even a 1 bd apt is 1500 mo. or more. And then you have to go through enough security checks to qualify for an FBI appt.
We could choose a furnished all utilities paid 125 mo. And that was a nice one.
TV was free. Used cars for 500 or less. They don't have those choices anymore. I can understand why they think it's hopeless.
Me too.

Not sure how old you are but those prices remind me of the late 60's, 70's, maybe 80's. Which means that average wage was around $2.50- 3.00 an hour. Maybe $5-6.50 max if you had a really good job. (Factory work probably)

I know in 1993 a RN was making $12.65/hr. And I thought I had hit the big time. I still have one of my first pay stubs.

I am not being some "evil boomer" as CM referred to us as. I am simply pointing out facts. The cost of living was MUCH cheaper back then. But the wages were near non existent. Maybe not the penny candy days of my mom or a nickel for a movie cheap but it wasn't that far off.

Today's kids make $12-$15 an hour starting pay. Even fast food here in Po Dunk AR pays nearly $10-12 an hour (plus tips on top of that if restaurant or Sonic) No one expects anyone to live off $2.50 back then nor $10/hour now. It is STARTING wages and STARTING reality that is rough for every generation. And I am not saying they don't have an up hill climb. They really do. But so did every generation in history up to them. One FINDS a way around things.

The issue is the totally unrealistic mindset of today's young adults. They think, "OK go to school graduate and... wait... I can't afford a half million dollar home? Or. brand new car? Or a vacation every year? WTF? Damn BOOMERS! "

Newsflash no one can afford those things out of college and never have been able to. Yet, again, unless you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth and had some serious help at a young age.

One learns a trade and moves up, or goes into the military and moves up, or goes to college and moves up. And right around year 33-35 you start making some decent bank and can get those things. But again no one starts at 1million dollar homes. You start at 125,000 and move up as the market changes.

Here is what kids expect today: Go to college, get some "fun" degree, graduate and actually get a job in that "fun" degree at the age 21 (4 year degree) Then buy a 500K-750K home, (There are TONS of houses for 120K-250K all over the USA if one is willing to relocate from the coasts) New furniture and new appliances for said house. A 75K Truck and a 48K SUV, Student loans paid for. Go to Europe or South America every year for 3 weeks at time. Get all the $150-200 tattoos all over your body. $75 hair and nails at least once a month. $600 gaming stations or PCs for $1200 plus the cost of games (now around $70 on average) Toys like kayaks, ATVs, trailers to tow them with. Numerous streaming subscriptions at $30 each. 500-1000 phone every year. Eat out nearly every night of the week, or have food delivered on the weekends. WTF? Seriously? And it's my fault?

My whole point being this: We also thought it was crazy expensive at 2.50 to a 15,000 home/car is the same as today's 15.00 to a 125,000 home. So we worked and we waited and we knew that by the time we were in our 40's we should be set. No Boomer came out of College expecting the suburban life right from the get go.

Boomers are not taking anything away from anyone. We worked for it. When we die then you can have it. We sit under the same economic policies and bankers that today's kids sit under. We didn't like them then either. Your issue isn't with Boomers it is with greedy corporations and employers that no longer value employees. Boomers can't do anything with the evil greed at the top. The whiners need to grow up and figure it out fast because whining does nothing for anyone and will get you no where. It's not going to change and soon will be rough on everyone. Learn how to work around it. God always provides a way.
 
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