CORONA It's Time To Face Reality About The Vaccines

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
The science will speak for itself.

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It's Time To Face Reality About The Vaccines

Via Vinay Prasad's Observations and Thoughts substack,

A number of studies are converging on the fact that 2 doses of vaccination has poor vaccine effectiveness against Omicron. 3 doses does slightly better, but the effect will rapidly wane as antibody titers fall, and infection is certain as the number of exposures increase. These studies have immediate implications for vaccine & health-care policies.

First, Kaiser Southern California. Here are data for 2 doses of mRNA for effectiveness against Omicron. Follow the red line. Over time, it is 0%.




3 doses does better, for now. But look at the confidence interval of the red line. We have no idea if it will be preserved.



Now, let’s turn to the Province of Ontario, vaccine effectiveness 2 dose or 3 dose is in the toilet; Note the y axis, and broad confidence interval post dose 3. Here dose 3 would fail to meet the FDA standard of at least 50% VE, with lower bound CI >30%— the standard for EUA.



Now let us examine Denmark; here are the raw probabilities of secondary attack in a household.



Putting these 3 studies together: what is the conclusion?

  • Two doses of vaccine does nothing or almost nothing to stop symptomatic sars-cov-2.
  • Three doses barely does anything, and the effect will likely attenuate over time.
  • Finally, as the number of exposures increase from 2 to 22 to 202, the cumulative probability of infection will approach 1.
NOTE: This is not an argument about the benefits of vaccination for the individual— vaccines likely (and evidence shows they) still have great protection against severe disease; instead this is an argument about the effects of vaccination on symptomatic diseases, and (some good portion of) transmission.

Conclusion: you cannot contain the viral spread of omicron by boosting.

The moment we see that, the policy conclusions start to fall into place.

Booster mandates make no sense for young people/ working people/ hospitals/ anywhere. Young people will only be, at best, slightly less likely to spread for a short period of time, but the epidemic waves will eventually over take them. Boosting should happen in populations where it further reduces severe disease and death— aka older & vulnerable people. Focus on that and let college kids off the hook.

Some argue there is still a justification to boost because you can help prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. Sadly, that argument fails in several ways.

First, you have no evidence boosting younger people will slow hospitalizations. A vaccinated younger person already has very low risk of being hospitalized. Boosting may not further lower what is already very low. We simply have no evidence. Event rates are sparse at those ages.

Second, this argument would mean the state could tell people what to eat and how much to exercise, and how much to drink. Food, drink and obesity are drivers of hospitalizations. Instead, we have not accepted these infringements in the past. The justification for vaccine mandates is that it helps curb population spread. The latest vaccine effectiveness figures show that effect is now nearly gone, and transient at best. Ergo, the mandates are unjustified.

Firing nurses and other health care workers for being non-compliant with mandates is now defeating. We are better off having them work. Time to bring them back.

Draconian avoidance of omicron is not tenable.

Omicron or a future variant will eventually find us all. It may even be preferable to encounter omicron a few weeks or months after your last vaccine than a year or two later, as the infection may be milder. As I explain in a prior post, wearing an n95 makes no sense.

It is time to face reality.

I explain more in this thread:


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SmithJ

Veteran Member
They have to put in their disclaimer to get the article published, whether it shows what the disclaimer says or not. Take the arsenic it will keep the rats from eating you after you die.
Yeah I get it. Trust the science unless you disagree........
 

PrairieMoon

Veteran Member
It's a false assumption that the delta variant is gone. Delta had some response to the vaccine; omicron won't. The purpose for the vaccines is almost over.
 

thompson

Certa Bonum Certamen
The "reality" is - there ARE no vaccines. There have never been vaccines. There are only "symptom attenuators." However, they're marketed as vaccines, which IMO is a very disingenuous thing to do.
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Binkerthebear

Veteran Member
“Omicron or a future variant will eventually find us all. It may even be preferable to encounter omicron a few weeks or months after your last vaccine than a year or two later, as the infection may be milder.”
I’m guessing Omicron will then be even milder in the unvaccinated with their healthy immune systems …and maybe even totally asymptomatic.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
I guess he didn't get it 100% right.
Most of the diseases we give credit to vaccines for were well into their decline before their vaccines were discovered.
Polio, measles to name just a couple.
Smallpox vax did more harm than good
Never heard of natural immunity? Odd. It is received wisdom on this forum. Supposedly occurs after a major outbreak of something. infection just naturally tapers off.
As for Small Pox, back in the olde days I saw a series of photos of someone that died of Small Pox, taken in the 1930's I think. You want to avoid that by any means possible.
 

bbbuddy

DEPLORABLE ME
After multiple smallpox vaccinations with no reaction/scarring a doctor told me I must have natural immunity to it....
So I guess it does happen.
 
“Omicron or a future variant will eventually find us all. It may even be preferable to encounter omicron a few weeks or months after your last vaccine than a year or two later, as the infection may be milder.”
I’m guessing Omicron will then be even milder in the unvaccinated with their healthy immune systems …and maybe even totally asymptomatic.
Yet all I hear on MSM is that can be mild in the vaxxed but will be very serious, even deadly, in the unvaxxed. Imagine that.
 

Toosh

Veteran Member
This has nothing to do with science.

...withholding effective treatments is not science. ...Censoring people for asking questions is not science. ...Withholding the results of FDA trial data is not science. ...Pretending that anyone has all the answers and we must all believe only him and no one else, is not science. ...Assuming that the government knows whats best for me is not science.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
did you happen to grow up around dairy or beef cattle?
Every person that I ever met without a vaccine scar grew up on a dairy farm, including me and my brothers.

Back in the days of Queen Antoinette, dairy maids were quite popular because of their clear complexions.
 
Every person that I ever met without a vaccine scar grew up on a dairy farm, including me and my brothers.

Back in the days of Queen Antoinette, dairy maids were quite popular because of their clear complexions.
They look cute in those little maid outfits, too.
 

Marie

Veteran Member
Every person that I ever met without a vaccine scar grew up on a dairy farm, including me and my brothers.

Back in the days of Queen Antoinette, dairy maids were quite popular because of their clear complexions.
My scar was almost non existent. Just because I got it when I was very very young. Not quite enough cowpox immunity.
 

Gimpywarrior

Contributing Member
I am not well educated, but well experienced. From what I have observed of science it is simply taking a guess and then setting out to prove it. Me, I prefer the truth and so called science has lied to us more than once.
 
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