WAR Is War Inevitable?

dstraito

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Is War Inevitable?
April 22, 2020

It is a simple question with a very complex answer.

Seems a fair question right now what with all that is going on in the world. I ask this specifically because of the price of oil.

I put together some resources if anyone wants to explore this theme.


Oil games are being played, sides are being chosen, supposedly by picking expected winners or a strategic alliance that benefits a countries energy strategy. Countries run on energy, mainly oil. Economies depending on it. If energy can be withheld as in an embargo, then the countries most dependent on it that don't get it suffer.

Another strategy is to tank the price of oil, done mainly through supply and demand. If the market can be so saturated the demand shrinks to historic lows, such as when the world quits going to work because of a plandemic, then the price tanks.

Although this latest attempt at manipulation is historic. Never before has the commodity oil traded at negative values before.
 

dstraito

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The following link discusses what happens when oil prices go negative

What Happens If Oil Prices Go Negative? | OilPrice.com

Various reports hit the news feeds today quoting a deliberately headline-grabbing statement by Paul Sankey, managing director at Mizuho Securities, in which he is reported as saying, “Oil prices can go negative.” That is, they could as a combination of Saudi Arabia (and Russia) flooding the market with increased oil and the market running headlong into COVID-19-induced curtailment of activity that is suppressing consumption, which combined will create the perfect storm of excess supply.
In reality, inventory levels are already rising.

CNN quotes Sankey, who said global oil demand is only around 100 million barrels per day.

However, the economic fallout from the coronavirus pandemic could crash demand by up to 20 percent.

This would create a 20 million barrel-per-day surplus of oil in the market that would rapidly exceed storage capacity, forcing oil producers to pay customers to buy the commodity – hence, in effect, negative oil prices.

The American government plans to purchase a total of 77 million barrels of oil starting within weeks the article states, but according to Sankey, this can only be done at a rate of 2 million barrels per day, leaving a massive excess that will be looking for a home.
Brent oil prices have already fallen to the lowest level for 17 years. The consequences for the U.S. oil industry if a coronavirus-induced recession drives down demand could be catastrophic.
West Texas Intermediate crude (WTI) collapsed by a staggering 19.2 percent to $22 while the Mexican Basket is down 22.4 percent.

For a short while, hedges will protect producers and they will continue to pump oil. While that will protect producers for a while, it encourages counter-cyclical practices; producers should be cutting back but instead will probably continue to pump and ship into store.

Francisco Blanch, a commodity strategist at Bank of America, warns in a Fox Business report that the demand destruction caused by the COVID-19 virus and the price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia could cause inventories to swell by 900 million barrels in the second quarter alone. He estimates the world currently has about 1.5 billion barrels of available storage.

Storage, however, is regional and may not match neatly with excess supply.
China continues to build storage capacity, having traditionally been short of space, but is now in a better position to take advantage of ultra-low prices.

“In a severe scenario, if the market struggles to find a home for surplus barrels, then oil prices might have to trade down into the teens,” Blanch suggests. That would leave U.S. and Canadian producers deeply in the red when hedges run out. Weaker OPEC countries, like Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, and Nigeria, could see their economies collapse, while all offshore production would be loss-making if oil prices remain suppressed into the teens over the long term.

More at the link
 

dstraito

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Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil - CNN
https://www.cnn.com/2013/03/19/opinion/iraq-war-oil-juhasz/index.html
Mar 19, 2013Yes, the Iraq War was a war for oil, and it was a war with winners: Big Oil.

The Oil War Is Only Just Getting Started | OilPrice.com
The Oil War Is Only Just Getting Started | OilPrice.com
Many saw the OPEC deal as the end of the oil war, but in reality, nearing peak oil demand could trigger a bigger oil war than the world has ever seen before

War With Iran, Oil, and the 2020 Election — Strategic Culture
War With Iran, Oil, and the 2020 Election
The oil fields on the eastern Persian Gulf of Saudi Arabia would be in ruins, and so would most of Iran. Obviously, it would be catastrophic, because the price of oil would shoot to $200 or $250 a barrel—and the world economy would buckle. The governments would then go crazy printing money—stimulating and borrowing.

Oil Secrets Behind U.s. War on Afghanistan
https://www.jstor.org/stable/23608077
The greater Gulf area has been a centre of international oil politics. First, the British fought to gain control over the area's petroleum wealth, followed by the French. But in the post-World War II scenario, the U.S. emerged as the dominant power in the region, because its energy security and economic prosperity depended on the
Military-industrial complex - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military–industrial_complex
The military-industrial complex (MIC) is an informal alliance between a nation's military and the defense industry that supplies it, seen together as a vested interest which influences public policy. A driving factor behind this relationship between the government and defense-minded corporations is that both sides benefit—one side from obtaining war weapons, and the other from being paid ...

Military-Industrial Complex - HISTORY
Military-Industrial Complex
The military-industrial complex is a nation's military establishment, as well as the industries involved in the production of armaments and other military. Shows. This Day In History.

Will the U.S. Debt Ever Be Paid Off?
An Overlooked Way to Reduce the U.S. Debt While Boosting Growth
The debt grew despite Congressional threats to not raise the debt ceiling.In 2011, the U.S. debt crisis almost forced America to default on its debt.. In 2012, the fiscal cliff crisis almost stopped the government in its tracks. In 2013, the government shut down for 15 days. Since these attempts didn't work, what can and should be done?

War Debt Issue - U-S-History.com
War Debt Issue
War Debt Issue The desire of the United States to secure repayment for cash loans and goods extended to European Allies during and after World War I was a highly publicized issue during the 1920s . The stance did much to destroy the loyalties and goodwill that had developed during the conflict.

History of Debt in the United States
History of Debt in the United States
World War II Debt. During World War II (1939 to 1945), the U.S. lent Britain and other countries money to help pay for military costs, and spent a great deal for their own military. By the end of that war, U.S. debt reached $285 billion. Following that war, the U.S. economy grew, but the trend of a post-war reduction of national debt did not ...

Who still owes what for the two World Wars? - CNBC
Who still owes what for the two World Wars?
Mar 18, 2015Why are countries still paying back debt from the wars of the last
 

dstraito

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Is War Inevitable? | Discover Magazine

Is War Inevitable?

War is the strong life; it is life in extremis; war taxes are the only ones men never hesitate to pay, as the budgets of all nations show us." Our bloody nature, it can now be argued in the context of modern biology, is ingrained because group-versus-group competition was a principal driving force that made us what we are.

“History is a bath of blood,” wrote William James, whose 1906 antiwar essay is arguably the best ever written on the subject. “Modern man inherits all the innate pugnacity and all the love of glory of his ancestors. Showing war’s irrationality and horror is of no effect on him. The horrors make the fascination. War is the strong life; it is life in extremis; war taxes are the only ones men never hesitate to pay, as the budgets of all nations show us.”

Our bloody nature, it can now be argued in the context of modern biology, is ingrained because group-versus-group competition was a principal driving force that made us what we are. In prehistory, group selection (that is, the competition between tribes instead of between individuals) lifted the hominids that became territorial carnivores to heights of solidarity, to genius, to enterprise—and to fear. Each tribe knew with justification that if it was not armed and ready, its very existence was imperiled. Throughout history, the escalation of a large part of technology has had combat as its central purpose.

Today the calendars of nations are punctuated by holidays to celebrate wars won and to perform memorial services for those who died waging them. Public support is best fired up by appeal to the emotions of deadly combat, over which the amygdala—a center for primary emotion in the brain—is grandmaster. We find ourselves in the “battle” to stem an oil spill, the “fight” to tame inflation, the “war” against cancer. Wherever there is an enemy, animate or inanimate, there must be a victory. You must prevail at the front, no matter how high the cost at home.

Any excuse for a real war will do, so long as it is seen as necessary to protect the tribe. The remembrance of past horrors has no effect. From April to June in 1994, killers from the Hutu majority in Rwanda set out to exterminate the Tutsi minority, which at that time ruled the country. In a hundred days of unrestrained slaughter by knife and gun, 800,000 people died, mostly Tutsi. The total Rwandan population was reduced by 10 percent. When a halt was finally called, 2 million Hutu fled the country, fearing retribution. The immediate causes for the bloodbath were political and social grievances, but they all stemmed from one root cause: Rwanda was the most overcrowded country in Africa. For a relentlessly growing population, the per capita arable land was shrinking toward its limit. The deadly argument was over which tribe would own and control the whole of it.

More at the link
 

dstraito

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Is War Inevitable? | Progressive Humanism
Is War Inevitable? | Progressive Humanism
Is War Inevitable? Posted on February 13, 2000 by Carl Coon. This is a complicated question and merits a reasonably complicated answer, but hang on, I shall try to make it as simple as I can, and if I'm lucky I may even be able to make it fairly clear.

Is war inevitable? | Debate.org
Is war inevitable?
Yes. . . Sadly War IS Inevitable. So long as it is within human nature to resort to violence from time to time, Then war is indeed inevitable. It really just boils down to how long it will be until the next conflict brews up, Whether it is a regional conflict or another world war.
 

dstraito

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The lyrics of Black Sabbath's War Pigs seems appropriate

Black Sabbath - War Pigs
Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerer of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh lord, yeah!
War pigs, war pigs
War pigs, war pigs
Now in darkness, world stops turning
As the war machine keeps burning
No more war pigs of the power
The hand of God has struck the hour

Day of judgment, God is calling
On their knees, the war pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings
All right now!
War pigs, war pigs
War pigs, war pigs
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
The leave that role to the poor
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait till their judgment day comes, yeah
 

NoMoreLibs

Kill Commie's, Every Single One Of Them!
Oil is around $15 again. All is well. No war. I can't see a large scale global war any longer too much to lose for everyone and not enough to gain. Like for the last 40 years, small, proxy skirmishes all over.
 

doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
Is War Inevitable? | Progressive Humanism
Is War Inevitable? | Progressive Humanism
Is War Inevitable? Posted on February 13, 2000 by Carl Coon. This is a complicated question and merits a reasonably complicated answer, but hang on, I shall try to make it as simple as I can, and if I'm lucky I may even be able to make it fairly clear.

Is war inevitable? | Debate.org
Is war inevitable?
Yes. . . Sadly War IS Inevitable. So long as it is within human nature to resort to violence from time to time, Then war is indeed inevitable. It really just boils down to how long it will be until the next conflict brews up, Whether it is a regional conflict or another world war.

Great thread...by the way.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
In which direction?

War with China? They're not going to take being a pariah nation lightly. They've lost more face than a clumsy plastic surgeon.

Civil war? That's been brewing for years.

War with Iran? Well, we helped them with ventilators on one hand and got set up to shoot boats on the other.

Starting to look like SOMEONE'S getting shot but I have no idea who!
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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War is always inevitable. We just don't know when or over what or whether the US will be directly involved.

 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
It will start in the middle east, and then all the proxies, all the allies, side up officially and unabashed. With the muslims spread out around the world, and the communists trading barbs, and the virus issues going full bore, war is inevitable.

It is planned, it will happen, it will be the worst war ever, and that's saying a lot more than most imagine. The only question is when it pops off. Negative or cheap oil will drive it, then all the laundry comes out. The question is when will it blow. Could actually happen any day. Lord knows.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
this is appropriate . . .
"Lives In The Balance" (4:11)

"Lives In The Balance"
Jackson Browne

I've been waiting for something to happen
For a week or a month or a year
With the blood in the ink of the headlines
And the sound of the crowd in my ear
You might ask what it takes to remember
When you know that you've seen it before
Where a government lies to a people
And a country is drifting to war

And there's a shadow on the faces
Of the men who send the guns
To the wars that are fought in places
Where their business interest runs

On the radio talk shows and the T.V.
You hear one thing again and again
How the U.S.A. stands for freedom
And we come to the aid of a friend
But who are the ones that we call our friends
These governments killing their own?
Or the people who finally can't take any more
And they pick up a gun or a brick or a stone
There are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire

There's a shadow on the faces
Of the men who fan the flames
Of the wars that are fought in places
Where we can't even say the names

They sell us the President the same way
They sell us our clothes and our cars
They sell us every thing from youth to religion
The same time they sell us our wars
I want to know who the men in the shadows are
I want to hear somebody asking them why
They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are
But they're never the ones to fight or to die
And there are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
and another . . .
Masters of War - "Love and Liberty" - Tatiana Moroz (4:51)

Bob Dylan Lyrics

"Masters Of War"

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion'
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
That even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead
 

doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
this is appropriate . . .
"Lives In The Balance" (4:11)

"Lives In The Balance"
Jackson Browne

I've been waiting for something to happen
For a week or a month or a year
With the blood in the ink of the headlines
And the sound of the crowd in my ear
You might ask what it takes to remember
When you know that you've seen it before
Where a government lies to a people
And a country is drifting to war

And there's a shadow on the faces
Of the men who send the guns
To the wars that are fought in places
Where their business interest runs

On the radio talk shows and the T.V.
You hear one thing again and again
How the U.S.A. stands for freedom
And we come to the aid of a friend
But who are the ones that we call our friends
These governments killing their own?
Or the people who finally can't take any more
And they pick up a gun or a brick or a stone
There are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire

There's a shadow on the faces
Of the men who fan the flames
Of the wars that are fought in places
Where we can't even say the names

They sell us the President the same way
They sell us our clothes and our cars
They sell us every thing from youth to religion
The same time they sell us our wars
I want to know who the men in the shadows are
I want to hear somebody asking them why
They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are
But they're never the ones to fight or to die
And there are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire

Sow the wind...reap the whirlwind. It may be OUR TIME
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
One thing, I think it is understood that Russia needs oil at about the $80 level to survive. Anything lower than that and it starts bleeding because there is nothing else to support their gov.

I suppose they could nuke the Saudi oil fields to get the price up. But that might make a lot of people real mad, some of whom also have nukes.
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
My first response with the title was "War with who". I don't believe we would go to war over oil, why, we have plenty ourselves. I'm sure the military complex types are breathless over the idea of war, but why in the hell would we go to war. Trump is a horse of a different color, thank God!

Judy
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
the problem IS as it has ALWAYS BEEN - those who sit in the seats of power on this rock - those who pull the strings for THEIR personal benefit at the expanse of humanity as a whole . . . be that financial - ego - power - control. the "WHY" of it really does not matter

IMHO these are BLOODLINES that have existed on this planet from the very earliest of human history; they date back to the time of the fall. to the watchers - the fallen ones. we know them today by a variety of names . . . Illuminati; PTB; Bildergerger; Club of Rome . . . WHAT EVER. IMHO they are SATANISTS in the true sense of the word. their IDOLS are POWER, MONEY and GREED. we know the names of their PAWNS - Rockefeller; Soros; Gates; Rothschild . . . we could go on . . . but those at the VERY TOP are names we NEVER hear - they are that far removed from YOU and I

these have been the source of mankind's trouble from the dawn of our history here. it will not be over until one of two things happen:

WE round up every last one and KILL THEM
the LORD returns to make it right


I ain't countin' on the fist to happen any time soon . . .
 

Groucho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
In which direction?

War with China? They're not going to take being a pariah nation lightly. They've lost more face than a clumsy plastic surgeon.

Civil war? That's been brewing for years.

War with Iran? Well, we helped them with ventilators on one hand and got set up to shoot boats on the other.

Starting to look like SOMEONE'S getting shot but I have no idea who!
:lkick::lkick::lkick:
 

hammerhead

Veteran Member
Depends on how you define war. Missiles flying between superpowers? Probably not. That doesn't work out for anyone.
 

hammerhead

Veteran Member
Until you get an authoritarian megalomaniac that thinks he can pull it off this time, kind of like an idiot who thinks "They can do socialism the right way"

True. I made my comment regarding near-term likehood, like the next 3 months. Longer term, speaking my belief as a Christian, things get poppin' on this Earth for sure.
 

SquonkHunter

Geezer (ret.)
Some folks inherit star-spangled eyes
Ooh, they'll send you down to war
And when you ask them "How much should we give?"
Ooh, the only answer's "MORE! MORE! MORE!"
But it ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no military son
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one.
-- John Fogerty
 
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Squid

Veteran Member
The price of oil now makes good panic headlines for the mainstream media, but its missing the point.

Oil at this moment is indicating one thing, oil production was churning well beyond the point that oil demand fell off a Corona cliff.

Then there was so much supply that was in transit to China to meet predicted normal manufacturing demand the nonproduction meant China was not using current inventory for anything. The tankers couldn’t offload so the boats started lining up in harbors. Normally the shippers would route the tankers to Europe to unload the unneeded China capacity eating the loss on extra transportation charge but then no demand in Europe.

There are tankers stuck everywhere with no customers that even have room to unload.

This will not normalize until the worlds economy starts back up.

This is one piece of the supply disruption that will be imho the second shock the economic shock from supply disruptions

No China manufacturing, no Chinese jobs, no Chinese safety net, angry and desperate people lots of angry desperate people.

No Chinese production no raw materials bought from Australia, also no Chinese buying Australian and New Zealand property, now Australian and New Zealand’s export economies tank and the loss of Chinese buyers cause collapse of inflated home prices.

Even at higher price until the current glut is absorbed Russia can’t sell oil either, no oil sale no real income or currency. People will get a little restless with leadership.

These economic dislocations will lead to unrest and this will lead to wars. Big and small, not immediate, not inevitable but very likely. To me its a more a matter of when and where.
 

Nowski

Let's Go Brandon!
If you've read anything about Albert Pike you'll know a third world war is well on it's way and is already planned.

^^^^THIS^^^^

Everybody should have a copy of Albert Pike's, Morals and Dogma
in their prepper and survivalist library. You do have a copy, don't you?

Also Pike's letter to Mazzini, in which the 3 world wars were predicted.

Everything has already been planned out, absolutely everything.

We just happen to be living during the time, when those final events
are to occur. Nothing more, nothing less.

Please be safe everyone, and please be ready,
there is not much time left.

Regards to all.

Nowski
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
Yep, it is just around the corner...

Agenda 230 depopulation.....

War will start big time then the world economy will collapse and we will go into hyperinflation.

Time to go fishing but everywhere is fished out.
 

danielboon

TB Fanatic
"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."




WW3 - Albert Pike and the Three World Wars
 
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