CHAT Is seccession even viable?

Jubilee on Earth

Jubilee on Earth

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Given the state of things, I can’t help continuing to think about how the answer to everything would be a complete halving of the nation, creating two separate nations: one for the liberal left and one for the conservative right. Each with their own president, citizenship, laws, etc. Everyone chooses their citizenship, and after that it becomes illegal to cross borders.

Obviously there are so many challenges with this idea, the biggest of which is the sheer size of our geography and creating those borders. But in theory, anyone who did happen to live, work, or travel in the opposite “country” of their chosen citizenship would have no rights, no voice toward laws or policies, and at the first sign of unrest or protest, they would be permanently banned.

Is it even feasible? Imagine such a thing, if each chose their own side and ran their country the way they saw fit.

Don’t you think that if we took the brightest minds on both sides of the fence, like a Manhattan Project sort of thing, don’t you think they could come up with such a plan?
 
Macgyver

Macgyver

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Only a few states could pull the off just because there not connected to the continental US. Alaska comes to mind, Hawaii would never do it.
Possibly a peninsula state like Florida but that still a lot of border. Same with a state like Maine being out on the edge.
 
ShadowMan

ShadowMan

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No thank you. Do I even need to mention the fiasco of the "War of Northern Aggression" here in this country? Look at the map of the political divide in this country.....Sorry, but that will just not work. Also just look back in history with what happened in India when it divided itself into India and Pakistan/East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) That was a total fuster cluck from the get go with thousands upon thousands dying in the process and India and Pakistan have been at odds ever since.

Nope....nice idea but it will not work. Or as they say in the countryside; "That dog don't hunt!" We need to work this shiite out and treat liberalism for what it is......a mental illness of an immature mind.
 
alchemike

alchemike

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For the first time in my life I see this as a distinct possibility - The balkanization of the USA may actually happen.
I can't believe what has happened to our country...
 
Bps1691

Bps1691

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The Partition of India in 1947 and the breakup of Yugoslavia are examples of what happens when the population in a country reach the point of irreconcilable differences and try to split into factions. The spilt of the USSR is another but since it was basically the return to the countries that existed BEFORE taken by Stalin it was more a return to what had existed before.

As Dozdoats said, "The division is no longer at the state level, it is at the individual level". To try to split the country into separate country/states would be bloody. It would be more like an fourth generation version of the Civil War. The battle grounds wouldn't be as clearly defined as the Civil War I when it was existing state borders. Civil War II would be even be between neighborhoods, townships, counties.

In Illinois, the Red/Blue voting map shows IMHO the best guestimate of where the factions would be located:

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But, within each of these areas their would be pockets of "the other guys".

Any attempt at a peaceful breakup is IMHO a pipe dream.

More likely is another Civil War only spread throughout the country and bloddy as h*ll.
 
bethshaya

bethshaya

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And don't forget, only half the states have their own state militia NOT under the command of the US National government. Every other state would need to start from scratch and make their own and get that set up.

Illinois is the same as a lot of other "blue" states in that only the major inner cities, with their high population are democrat, the rest of the state is republican and gets lumped in with them, even though their political views are drastically different. That's why I hate it when people call "such and such state - oh, those liberal jerks" or whatever because it isnt the whole state, just the inner cities and there is a higher population in those cities than in the geographic rest of the state.
 
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raven

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It would not be session. It would be more along the lines of the federal Gov capitulating which would leave a vacuum. Then territories would reorganize.
You would have to envision hard core paramilitary battles in every major city such that there simply was insufficient loyal manpower to quell and occupy. Followed by desertion en mass.
Such that the House and Senate would throw their hands in the air and retreat to other countries - because they could not go home.

So, no. Don't think it could happen.
Maybe after the interdimensional aliens arrive.
Next week.
 
Jeff B.

Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
I think there is a very viable route to secession.

In fact, as the current situation take shape and rolls along, I think its becoming more and more likely.

IMO, its only a matter of time before the snowflakes, virtue signallers and other twits demand that measures be taken to change to fundamental structure of our government and elections to that of a Democracy. Once that event(s) occurs/begins, the way will be open to opt out of such a fundamental change.

TPTB and deep state will resist with all their might, citing this and that and stating that its a "decided issue", but IMO, it will not be. If it goes peacefully, fine and dandy. It we descend into civil war, well, fine and dandy.

Just my cut on what I see and think...

Jeff B.
 
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jba48

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I think about that all the time. I know it's not possible. Plus, who would decide the boundary. Would it be halving the country east to west or north to south? (I don't want to live where it's cold, lol.)

I have reached the point where I do not think we can overcome this. There is literally no hope to fix our divisions.
 
Jackpine Savage

Jackpine Savage

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I just finished reading Kurt Schlicter's books, good entertainment. In the books, the country is split, the People's Republic occupies the east and west coasts, the center is the remaining United States. In Kurt's cutting style he shows the lunatic left devolving into hunger and chaos. In the last book the United States retakes the west coast just before China does.

I don't see it being that clean of a split.
 
Jubilee on Earth

Jubilee on Earth

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Dozdoats said:
The division is no longer at the state level, it is at the individual level. And any conflict that results would be likewise at the same level instead of as before, between states.

OBTW, SEcession is what I think you were aiming for.
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LOL Yes, I’ve been accessing on my phone and autocorrect always wants to get the better of me.
 
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vestige

Deceased
Tristan said:
Short answer: Nope.
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Agreed. We would still be fighting the bastards just like during the 1800s.

There is only one solution. Kill the bastards. Kill every one of them from root to branch. Kill their enablers and supporters.

Like it or not it isn't coming.

IT IS HERE.

They brought the shit to us not vice versa.

It now needs to be taken to them rather than hoping Trump or the governor or the police will "do something."

For the f****** that love to say "you first" it will won't go down that way.

When the bastards beat your door down it will be you going first or your wife while you run and hide.

It is not permitted to promote violent acts on public forums so without saying so in print:

Figure it the f*** out.

/rant
 
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MountainBiker

Veteran Member
Jubilee on Earth said:
Given the state of things, I can’t help continuing to think about how the answer to everything would be a complete halving of the nation, creating two separate nations: one for the liberal left and one for the conservative right. Each with their own president, citizenship, laws, etc. Everyone chooses their citizenship, and after that it becomes illegal to cross borders.

Obviously there are so many challenges with this idea, the biggest of which is the sheer size of our geography and creating those borders. But in theory, anyone who did happen to live, work, or travel in the opposite “country” of their chosen citizenship would have no rights, no voice toward laws or policies, and at the first sign of unrest or protest, they would be permanently banned.

Is it even feasible? Imagine such a thing, if each chose their own side and ran their country the way they saw fit.

Don’t you think that if we took the brightest minds on both sides of the fence, like a Manhattan Project sort of thing, don’t you think they could come up with such a plan?
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So two countries where nobody has any rights? The elite at the top will decide what everyone in their country thinks and does? No thanks.
 
Blacknarwhal

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Nope. This is why:

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fi103r

Veteran Member
Jubilee on Earth said:
Given the state of things, I can’t help continuing to think about how the answer to everything would be a complete halving of the nation, creating two separate nations: one for the liberal left and one for the conservative right. Each with their own president, citizenship, laws, etc. Everyone chooses their citizenship, and after that it becomes illegal to cross borders.

Obviously there are so many challenges with this idea, the biggest of which is the sheer size of our geography and creating those borders. But in theory, anyone who did happen to live, work, or travel in the opposite “country” of their chosen citizenship would have no rights, no voice toward laws or policies, and at the first sign of unrest or protest, they would be permanently banned.

Is it even feasible? Imagine such a thing, if each chose their own side and ran their country the way they saw fit.

Don’t you think that if we took the brightest minds on both sides of the fence, like a Manhattan Project sort of thing, don’t you think they could come up with such a plan?
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No we have to WIN
with out the continental advantage this place would be worse than the balkans in a decade
succession is NOT an option we must take this republic back.

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Tristan

Tristan

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Imrik said:
Uhhh Last I checked, Virginia, North and South Carolina were on the coast
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Ahhh, I see; you consider the whole state where said states contain part of Appalachia. Got it.

Here is what I generally understood it to be (just generally, not ascribing to this map particularly...)

And while there is access to the Great Lakes in this map, it seems that from there access to the wider world is through a pretty narrow bottleneck...

I guess if ROA were to include all states which have parts of Appalachia, then it could include New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi as well.

Anyway, still not getting the warm-fuzzies over that idea.

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Imrik

Imrik

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Didnt see your reply. I would leave out New York.. It's too Liberal to save. We would have to lay seige to a few Liberal cities, but most of the folks are pretty conservative.
 
Tristan

Tristan

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Imrik, anything that works. We need some relief of some sort.

Run it up the flag and see who salutes, I guess. ;)
 
MinnesotaSmith

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Tristan said:
Oh, yeah! That'd be great!

A land-locked republic with minimal manufacturing and supply lines through hostile territories. Great!

:rolleyes:
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True, but also with A) the high ground, B) a nearly all-white population, and C) a gun-owning culture. Those would make up for LOTS of deficiencies.
 
Intestinal Fortitude

Intestinal Fortitude

Have Faith
Macgyver said:
Only a few states could pull the off just because there not connected to the continental US. Alaska comes to mind, Hawaii would never do it.
Possibly a peninsula state like Florida but that still a lot of border. Same with a state like Maine being out on the edge.
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Hawaii would very quickly become and province of China and be called The Huaweiian Islands
 
Raggedyman

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
Jackpine Savage said:
I just finished reading Kurt Schlicter's books, good entertainment. In the books, the country is split, the People's Republic occupies the east and west coasts, the center is the remaining United States. In Kurt's cutting style he shows the lunatic left devolving into hunger and chaos. In the last book the United States retakes the west coast just before China does.

I don't see it being that clean of a split.
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read them as well - and agree with your take on it . . . wishful thinking and good entertainment - but that's as far as it goes. kinetic activities will be required to "settle" our differences . . .
 
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