CHAT Is MAGA falling apart?

Most of the ideas in MAGA have been around a lot longer. I just don't see that going away - not by attrition, as we age or by Dems being in undisturbed control. More and more, younger generations are absorbing those ideas.
 
Border Collie Dad said:
No.
Trump defined MAGA.
That MAGA is long lost and left behind.

MAGA is going to the same dust bin of history that the Tea Party movement went.


I'm still MAGA.
You're still MAGA.
Trump is pushing vey little MAGA.
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What's your point? It looks like you're letting perfect be the enemy of good. I suggest we all let him run his course. He's fighting against overwhelming odds and winning more than he loses. If you're looing for confirmation that things are working, you won't find it in the current toxic "news" coverage.
 
Groucho said:
What's your point? It looks like you're letting perfect be the enemy of good. I suggest we all let him run his course. He's fighting against overwhelming odds and winning more than he loses. If you're looing for confirmation that things are working, you won't find it in the current toxic "news" coverage.
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My point is that there is zero focus and attention to the MAGA promises that got him elected.
 
Thanks Greywolf for posting. Do believe this Lone Star Tick thing is another biowespon straight from Bill Gates and the global elites. Now with both Lyme Disease and this Lone Star Tick in the east, who wants to go there and live. I will stay here in the west where these both diseases are not occurring as yet. But stay safe and healthy you folks in the east where these ticks are we at.
 
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Re: Above "Hook Global" entry.

Google AI:

Query: Is Hook global conservative or liberal?

AI Overview
Hook Global is a video-first digital media and geopolitics channel on YouTube that tends to feature coverage and commentary critical of right-wing figures and conservative policies, leaning more toward a progressive or liberal perspective.
Content Focus: Its programming frequently highlights criticisms of conservative politicians, Donald Trump, and related right-wing movements, while regularly featuring interviews and segments with Democratic lawmakers like Jim McGovern. General Tone: The channel utilizes critical framing and commentary regarding conservative leadership, aligning its output more closely with center-left or liberal viewpoints on current political affairs.
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And this from a Leftist leaning Google - as in "direct from another horse's mouth."

All viewpoints are treasured. One makes a decision on INFORMATION of all sort.

Discernment...

Dobbin
 
Dobbin said:
Re: Above "Hook Global" entry.

Google AI:



And this from a Leftist leaning Google - as in "direct from another horse's mouth."

All viewpoints are treasured. One makes a decision on INFORMATION of all sort.

Discernment...

Dobbin
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If it walks like a leftie duck and quacks like a leftie duck...all the im a rightie self qualifiers in the world become moot.
 
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subnet said:
If it walks like a leftie duck and quacks like a leftie duck...all the im a rightie self qualifiers in the world become moot.
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You are the duck... with one wing. How are your flight lessons going?

Dobbin said:
Re: Above "Hook Global" entry.
Google AI:
And this from a Leftist leaning Google - as in "direct from another horse's mouth."
All viewpoints are treasured. One makes a decision on INFORMATION of all sort.
Discernment...
Dobbin
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I don't care if the media was from North Korea. If the message is true and applicable to our current situation, you think it is fine to deny the truth because the wrong source informed you? That is not wise at all. What kind of "discernment" buries the truth to live in delusion and bathe in lies?
 
library lady said:
"Truth," said Pilate."What is that?"
The question is how we determine what is true in the first place. What is your process, LE?
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Truth is sovereign. It is not subject to emotions, desires, whims, trends, rumors, delusions, elections, loud voices, crowds, repeated lies, sweet words, happy thoughts, slogans, or the weather. Truth is a Rock that cannot be shaken. Truth stands forever untarnished, unmoved, reliable.

My process? I will see or hear something that might apply to me and my life, and I will test it. I will try to shake it, move it, find fault within its core. If I cannot, it will remain as potential truth. Next I will test its accuracy with principles. Does it agree with known principles? I define principles as truths at all extremes. And finally, but not last, the entire process is guided by discernment. Those without the Holy Spirit of God have no discernment. AI has no discernment. Governments of man have no discernment.
 
Well … Soc Sec will run out in 2032.

I’ll wager that’ll be a big player in the 2028 election. It’ll have to be addressed by that term. First one to fix it wins. Or loses, depending on the fix.

But if you listen to BW .. we’ll be half way into the pole shift. So there’s that.
 
It's already over. They could have been the most successful populist movement of all time and might have been able to save the republic. Instead they decided to suck off the billionaire psychopaths that hate us all and want us replaced with foreigners in our own county.

Want to know the future? look at what's going on in France right now.

The west got buddy buddy with Islam an Islam will be the monster that will destroy us, aided by the other 3rd world imports we have flooded the west with.
 
I don't think MAGA is falling apart; as a whole, we are just sick to death of the crap the Republicans are pulling. That puts us in a bad spot, with some folks trying hard to put a wedge between us. A lot of people would sure enjoy seeing the Communists take over. I'll vote red again but it will surely be hard.
 
LightEcho said:
You are the duck... with one wing. How are your flight lessons going?


I don't care if the media was from North Korea. If the message is true and applicable to our current situation, you think it is fine to deny the truth because the wrong source informed you? That is not wise at all. What kind of "discernment" buries the truth to live in delusion and bathe in lies?
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:rolleyes:
 
subnet said:
Bound to happen, the right has no staying power in anything they do...
Individualism takes the lead and they all think they know whats best.
The only thing i think the left have correct is they work towards goals as a unit i.e they can organize like a machine.
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You are sadly missing the point. There is nothing wrong with rugged individualism. It is a way for a people to keep sane and hold the government accountable. With the MAGA cult, people who should be well-informed and seek justice have dumped their morals & ability to stand firm in righteousness. They believed in a happy story from a sociopathic liar that ends with them being destroyed. The happy story part has them sleeping in dreamland and breathing hopium, but the rude awakening will be a very nasty day.
 
LightEcho said:
You are sadly missing the point. There is nothing wrong with rugged individualism. It is a way for a people to keep sane and hold the government accountable. With the MAGA cult, people who should be well-informed and seek justice have dumped their morals & ability to stand firm in righteousness. They believed in a happy story from a sociopathic liar that ends with them being destroyed. The happy story part has them sleeping in dreamland and breathing hopium, but the rude awakening will be a very nasty day.
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I didn’t say there was anything wrong with rugged individualism. My point was that if people can’t work effectively as a team, you end up with exactly what we have now…individuals operating on their own program with little interest in anything outside their own narrative. You seem to assume that anyone who disagrees with you must believe everything this administration says. That’s a pretty convenient assumption, but it doesn’t make it true. And the (hopium) argument is gay. You and others seem to have taken up the role of the jilted lover...completely buying into the politician pickup lines, getting emotionally invested in the relationship, and now insisting that anyone who doesn’t share your heartbreak must be delusional. Apparently, disagreeing with you now means someone has joined a cult, abandoned their morals, and is living in dreamland. That’s quite a leap from simply saying, (I don’t agree with you.) Maybe try reading what people actually write before assigning them beliefs they never expressed. Otherwise, you’re not arguing with them…you’re arguing with the imaginary version of them you created in your own head. And then, conveniently, you get to declare victory over that person...Its almost manic from this vantage point.
 
subnet said:
I didn’t say there was anything wrong with rugged individualism. My point was that if people can’t work effectively as a team, you end up with exactly what we have now…individuals operating on their own program with little interest in anything outside their own narrative. You seem to assume that anyone who disagrees with you must believe everything this administration says. That’s a pretty convenient assumption, but it doesn’t make it true. And the (hopium) argument is gay. You and others seem to have taken up the role of the jilted lover...completely buying into the politician pickup lines, getting emotionally invested in the relationship, and now insisting that anyone who doesn’t share your heartbreak must be delusional. Apparently, disagreeing with you now means someone has joined a cult, abandoned their morals, and is living in dreamland. That’s quite a leap from simply saying, (I don’t agree with you.) Maybe try reading what people actually write before assigning them beliefs they never expressed. Otherwise, you’re not arguing with them…you’re arguing with the imaginary version of them you created in your own head. And then, conveniently, you get to declare victory over that person...Its almost manic from this vantage point.
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Not really accurate. My thought process went more toward your praising the left for being in unity, fighting for the same goals as a team. Our government was originally designed to be contentious with opposing authorities keeping each other in check and allowing reasoned arguments to find the best solutions and pathways.

You are right- at times we need to be in unity to fight the gang warfare. But the problem we have today is that there is no gang in the right for us to join. So, we must stand alone until enough people wake up or we die anyway. Frankly, I think we are beyond the skirmishes. It is too late to save the country. Now it will be the choice of each to join the evil ones or be separate.
 
LightEcho said:
Not really accurate. My thought process went more toward your praising the left for being in unity, fighting for the same goals as a team. Our government was originally designed to be contentious with opposing authorities keeping each other in check and allowing reasoned arguments to find the best solutions and pathways.

You are right- at times we need to be in unity to fight the gang warfare. But the problem we have today is that there is no gang in the right for us to join. So, we must stand alone until enough people wake up or we die anyway. Frankly, I think we are beyond the skirmishes. It is too late to save the country. Now it will be the choice of each to join the evil ones or be separate.
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Saying they have something correct is praise??? I disagree, its an understanding of how things should work.
And there is/was a gang but you and others decided it wasn't good enough and bailed, telling anyone still taking part, that they are all delusional.
Agreed, which.... if you have read any of my other posts on other topics, you would know that my view is... this admin is a speed bump and we all need to use our time wisely.
 
subnet said:
Saying they have something correct is praise??? I disagree, its an understanding of how things should work.
And there is/was a gang but you and others decided it wasn't good enough and bailed, telling anyone still taking part, that they are all delusional.
Agreed, which.... if you have read any of my other posts on other topics, you would know that my view is... this admin is a speed bump and we all need to use our time wisely.
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I agree with many of your things but there is a dichotomy in your thinking that seems to miss some crucial details. As for MAGA... look at the raw facts. Look at what we expected- what we voted for, and what we got. Seriously, make a list and then tell me where I am wrong. If you can do that, I will thank you for showing me the error of my ways.
 
LightEcho said:
I agree with many of your things but there is a dichotomy in your thinking that seems to miss some crucial details. As for MAGA... look at the raw facts. Look at what we expected- what we voted for, and what we got. Seriously, make a list and then tell me where I am wrong. If you can do that, I will thank you for showing me the error of my ways.
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Im not MAGA in the only Trump sense, Im anti democrat/communist/collectivist/socialist/Islamist...ect..ect...
You have me twisted....Trump is not the answer but he is what we have.

Work with it
 
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WildDaisy said:
I've never actually seen a specific MAGA group to begin with, so it cant fall apart. To me, MAGA was a set of ideas that have been around for a long long time. MAGA was just a label that Trump put on it for marketing and campaigning.
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With with the turn coats the ideas continue, but there is no new voice or face for it. After Kirk's hit job, there is no replacement. I almost think that was the idea and plan. Get rid of Charlie and the gooks have free reign in 28. Darn if they do not throw things in your face right there in the open.
 
Mixin said:
I don't think MAGA is falling apart; as a whole, we are just sick to death of the crap the Republicans are pulling.
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The problem is not MAGA falling apart. The problem is the "uniparty." Of which a good proportion is made of so called "Republicans." Which include a good number of those named earlier as "critical" of the Trump Admin.

Whenever a Republican attaches his name to a Trump endorsement - he does well in an election. The Republicans who do poorly are those who for whatever reason, don't get Trump endorsement, don't seek Trump endorsement, don't want Trump endorsement and usually make that known because they fancy themselves "moderates" or "bipartisan."

NOT what the voter majority wants.

Very few Republicans who don't carry the Trump "stamp of approval" do well - EXCEPT in the MEEDIA. For MEEDIA, these Trump outliers are given front and center on the front page. Like those mentioned earlier. This is all part of a media plan to discredit MAGA and picture them as "rubes."

Example currently here in Cow Hampshire. John E. Sununu attempting re-election to the Senate and is currently "Trump Endorsed." Previously the Sununu clan has fallen more easily into the Bush (Rino) camp primarily on the basis of John H. Sununu (father) who was good buds with the last Bush president. But John E. has had a revelation since his loss to Jeanne Shaheen (Democrat) in 2008. The Democrat ascendancy then and since is simply NH Republicans NOT voting for Bush Republicanism.

John E. is a "convert."

Horse predicts he will do well in the election. His opponent Chris Pappas (DSA) has SEVERAL issues with connection to HIS rank and file AND connection to "the system," such as it is.

We'll see.

Dobbin
 
Knoxville's Joker said:
With with the turn coats the ideas continue, but there is no new voice or face for it. After Kirk's hit job, there is no replacement. I almost think that was the idea and plan. Get rid of Charlie and the gooks have free reign in 28. Darn if they do not throw things in your face right there in the open.
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Secretary of State, etc., Marco Rubio is a quick thinker and very well spoken. He has not turned away from MAGA. Neither has Scott Bessent at Treasury, who seems to enjoy his job when it comes to sanctions. There are others in the GOP who are working closely with the administration--Mike Lee is one--and then there's Hegseth who has overseen a rise in recruitment numbers. Elon Musk has been far more able and willing to help and to keep helping. He is bringing other tech leaders along with him.

Despite the predictions of our doomers/gloomers, MAGA as a movement isn't dead. And it hasn't been Loomered.
 
Dobbin said:
The problem is not MAGA falling apart. The problem is the "uniparty." Of which a good proportion is made of so called "Republicans." Which include a good number of those named earlier as "critical" of the Trump Admin.

Whenever a Republican attaches his name to a Trump endorsement - he does well in an election. The Republicans who do poorly are those who for whatever reason, don't get Trump endorsement, don't seek Trump endorsement, don't want Trump endorsement and usually make that known because they fancy themselves "moderates" or "bipartisan."

NOT what the voter majority wants.

Very few Republicans who don't carry the Trump "stamp of approval" do well - EXCEPT in the MEEDIA. For MEEDIA, these Trump outliers are given front and center on the front page. Like those mentioned earlier. This is all part of a media plan to discredit MAGA and picture them as "rubes."

Example currently here in Cow Hampshire. John E. Sununu attempting re-election to the Senate and is currently "Trump Endorsed." Previously the Sununu clan has fallen more easily into the Bush (Rino) camp primarily on the basis of John H. Sununu (father) who was good buds with the last Bush president. But John E. has had a revelation since his loss to Jeanne Shaheen (Democrat) in 2008. The Democrat ascendancy then and since is simply NH Republicans NOT voting for Bush Republicanism.

John E. is a "convert."

Horse predicts he will do well in the election. His opponent Chris Pappas (DSA) has SEVERAL issues with connection to HIS rank and file AND connection to "the system," such as it is.

We'll see.

Dobbin
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Uniparty = oligarchy = anunaki appointed hybrid rulers. Nothing will ever change until they are gone. If you know what to look for 80% of those in power are not human.
 
Dobbin said:
The problem is not MAGA falling apart. The problem is the "uniparty." Of which a good proportion is made of so called "Republicans." Which include a good number of those named earlier as "critical" of the Trump Admin.

Whenever a Republican attaches his name to a Trump endorsement - he does well in an election. The Republicans who do poorly are those who for whatever reason, don't get Trump endorsement, don't seek Trump endorsement, don't want Trump endorsement and usually make that known because they fancy themselves "moderates" or "bipartisan."

NOT what the voter majority wants.

Very few Republicans who don't carry the Trump "stamp of approval" do well - EXCEPT in the MEEDIA. For MEEDIA, these Trump outliers are given front and center on the front page. Like those mentioned earlier. This is all part of a media plan to discredit MAGA and picture them as "rubes."

Example currently here in Cow Hampshire. John E. Sununu attempting re-election to the Senate and is currently "Trump Endorsed." Previously the Sununu clan has fallen more easily into the Bush (Rino) camp primarily on the basis of John H. Sununu (father) who was good buds with the last Bush president. But John E. has had a revelation since his loss to Jeanne Shaheen (Democrat) in 2008. The Democrat ascendancy then and since is simply NH Republicans NOT voting for Bush Republicanism.

John E. is a "convert."

Horse predicts he will do well in the election. His opponent Chris Pappas (DSA) has SEVERAL issues with connection to HIS rank and file AND connection to "the system," such as it is.

We'll see.

Dobbin
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IMO moderates or fence riders as I call them ,will sink the right...they are exactly what I have been talking about.
They are on their own program and wont budge from it.
This is the problem, they refuse or cannot see the big picture.
Keep the left out of power or we are all boned.
 
subnet said:
Bound to happen, the right has no staying power in anything they do...
Individualism takes the lead and they all think they know whats best.
The only thing i think the left have correct is they work towards goals as a unit i.e they can organize like a machine.
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They’re all followers, the left have no leaders, they’re herd animals, all sheep.

Kamala is in the lead, still.

The right are more independent minded, less of a follower and Trump did botch Epstien and didn’t bother telling us why, Trump 47 hasn’t felt the need to sell his agenda
 
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