CHAT Is MAGA falling apart?

Starrkopf said:
It's this. I voted for him 3 times because 3 times I had nothing but terrible choices to make and I thought Trump was the least bad choice of a bad bunch. I believed in populism and nationalism and wanted to industrialize and end demographic replacement of white americans.


I got 1 term that quickly went sour with tons of bad hires and being mired down in impeachment proceedings and the second term was like speed running all the bad decisions from the 1st term except now I got GW Bush policies and talking points including another bullshit war nobody asked for. and a blank check to legally import as many H1Bs as it takes to make sure no native born american will ever have gainful employment ever again.


I never signed up to worship him unconditionally. I got none of what I wanted and Invar was right about lucy pulling away the football.


Midterms and 2028 are in his court to win or lose at this point and it's not looking good. I'm looking forward to being hunted down like a dog for daring to support him when the democrats win in a landslide after the war spirals and the economy tanks.
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Well said. This is the thought process of all of my friends that are prior MAGA. Contrast this with the boomer perspective on this thread and it is clear why they are so confused.

I also cannot wait for the "national reconciliation" the dems promised which offers an all inclusive one way vacation to the death re-education camp.

The true movement is still there. It is stronger than ever. It has even, much to my surprise brought in many fence sitters and even traditional liberals. It turns out we're all Americans after all.

The key is that the movement is no longer MAGA.

It is definitely not MIGA.

It is no longer even America First.

It is now America only.
 
TFergeson said:
Well said. This is the thought process of all of my friends that are prior MAGA. Contrast this with the boomer perspective on this thread and it is clear why they are so confused.

I also cannot wait for the "national reconciliation" the dems promised which offers an all inclusive one way vacation to the death re-education camp.

The true movement is still there. It is stronger than ever. It has even, much to my surprise brought in many fence sitters and even traditional liberals. It turns out we're all Americans after all.

The key is that the movement is no longer MAGA.

It is definitely not MIGA.

It is no longer even America First.

It is now America only.
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I Just want to clarify that I don't want the persecution that I see coming to happen, It just seems inevitable at this point. We haven't done anything to defeat our enemies and have given them plenty of ammo to destroy us while doing our best to turn states like Texas blue by mass importing foreigners that hate us and refusing to pass the SAVE act among many other unforced errors.

Boomercon Inc has no viable solutions and things are going to get a whole lot worse.
 
Nope…ain’t doin it…ppl are gona believe whatever they want…shortsighted or not…
 
TFergeson said:
I was going to quote posts but so many on here understand. Read the thread, it will answer your questions. For those of you who simply dismiss them as "brainwashed", "liberals", etc. I will say that some of y'all really need to turn off Faux News, OANN, etc. and go take a look at the actual state of the country.

Think about what MAGA was Nov of 2024. Do you remember? Because we do.

And yet it went from what it was, to this:

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No doubt about it but still better than democrats being in charge, its literally that simple at this time.
 
subnet said:
No doubt about it but still better than democrats being in charge, its literally that simple at this time.
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The only difference between the parties is the time it takes us to arrive to the same destination. And the window between the two is shortening, rapidly.

When presented with that choice, your choice, the logical option is to vote Democrat to get the collapse over with sooner.
 
TFergeson said:
The only difference between the parties is the time it takes us to arrive to the same destination. And the window between the two is shortening, rapidly.

When presented with that choice, your choice, the logical option is to vote Democrat to get the collapse over with sooner.
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Really?
You think things will change for the better after a collapse, with democrats in charge?
Stalin would love that comment. Lol
 
subnet said:
Really?
You think things will change for the better after a collapse, with democrats in charge?
Stalin would love that comment. Lol
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Gay communist dictatorship versus corporate communist dictatorship. On debanks me for using the wrong pronouns, the other debanks me for saying something bad about whatever the "chosen" policy or person du juor is at that time.

Can I get an option that does not include a communist dictatorship?
Within the current system the answer is no, and the difference is window dressing.

You may like the Republican window dressing more than the Democrat window dressing, but they are both sitting on the same window, and I'd prefer neither.

That was the point of my post, and the fact that I'd rather deal with this now, in my time, then dump it on to my children if the Repubs string this system along for another 20 years.

As Thomas Paine said, "If there is trouble, let it be in my day, that my children may have peace."
 
TFergeson said:
The only difference between the parties is the time it takes us to arrive to the same destination. And the window between the two is shortening, rapidly.

When presented with that choice, your choice, the logical option is to vote Democrat to get the collapse over with sooner.
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This is where I can't go along with you. I was serious that they want to kill us and are up front about it. I won't be voting democrat out of some misguided idea of accelerationism. Doing that will get you to utter ruin a lot faster but you won't see any joe sixpack types coming to save you, you will just buy generations of tyranny.

Will we get our Franco? I have no idea. I hope so but it's far more likely that we end up looking like the UK looks right now with no good options.
 
naegling62 said:
We did our part, Trump was the 3rd party candidate in all of his elections. The elections (2016-2024) have always been the Democrat vs. the establishment selected Republican and Trump.

I voted for Trump to be a wrecking ball and boy has he. Yes he hasn’t pleased Third Way voters completely and we as a group get disappointed and point the finger of indignation at our candidates with the least divergence of platform.

I have always been 100% Trump after the first debate of the Republican primaries in 2016. Yes he’s an ass at times and I don’t want my sons to emulate him, but he’s the right man for the dirty job at hand.
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What part of that dirty job did he accomplish?
 
Starrkopf said:
This is where I can't go along with you. I was serious that they want to kill us and are up front about it. I won't be voting democrat out of some misguided idea of accelerationism. Doing that will get you to utter ruin a lot faster but you won't see any joe sixpack types coming to save you, you will just buy generations of tyranny.

Will we get our Franco? I have no idea. I hope so but it's far more likely that we end up looking like the UK looks right now with no good options.
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Neither will I, nor do I advocate voting Democrat. That post was a response to the paradigm (Democrat vs Republican) presented in the OP. I completely agree with you that they are serious about killing us, but do not be deceived, the current power structure within the GOP wants us just as dead (the 'uniparty' as they are called).

Let's quickly examine the definition of uniparty:

Uniparty is a political term referring to the idea that seemingly separate political parties, typically the two dominant parties in a liberal democracy, function in practice as a single entity. It is often applied to the Republican Party and the Democratic Party in the United States, or to the Conservative Party and the Labour Party in the United Kingdom. The concept implies that despite their outward disagreements, the parties collaborate behind closed doors and share a unified set of political and economic interests, effectively creating a de facto one-party state. Proponents of this idea argue that such a "uniparty" suppresses genuine political alternatives and dissenting viewpoints by exercising control over the media, grassroots organizations, and ballot access regulations.

I would say that this exactly describes what we have in Congress. The vocal differences between the parties are just that "vocal". When we look at what policies Congress puts out, what they actually "reach across the aisle" for and what is "Bi-Partisan", there is no difference. The policy outcomes for us, the end users, are ultimately the same regardless of which party is in charge. Who is "leading" is little more than an outlet valve for societal tension so that the system can keep going as long as possible.

What I say, or advocate, is that it is clear that neither party is working for us, and in fact both parties are actively working against us and the interests of our nation.

In which case, we need an alternative. In my opinion, this is America First. The challenge then becomes building this within the current system fast enough before TPTB can collapse the system around us to prevent us from dethroning them (because rest assured they will burn it all down before they relinquish the reins of power).

Or, do we let it burn down and rebuild from the ashes?

I do not have the answer, and either choice is very risky, but not more risky than doing nothing and staying on the current course to servitude.
 
TFergeson said:
The only difference between the parties is the time it takes us to arrive to the same destination. And the window between the two is shortening, rapidly.

When presented with that choice, your choice, the logical option is to vote Democrat to get the collapse over with sooner.
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I could not justify voting for a leftist no matter the reason, but I 100% believe between government tyranny and our divided population we are fast approaching an inevitable conflict that will make the American Civil War look like a small skirmish. That being said, I would much rather have the shtf while I am still able to fight rather than have to be dependent on others during a time of war.
 
TFergeson said:
Gay communist dictatorship versus corporate communist dictatorship. On debanks me for using the wrong pronouns, the other debanks me for saying something bad about whatever the "chosen" policy or person du juor is at that time.

Can I get an option that does not include a communist dictatorship?
Within the current system the answer is no, and the difference is window dressing.

You may like the Republican window dressing more than the Democrat window dressing, but they are both sitting on the same window, and I'd prefer neither.

That was the point of my post, and the fact that I'd rather deal with this now, in my time, then dump it on to my children if the Repubs string this system along for another 20 years.

As Thomas Paine said, "If there is trouble, let it be in my day, that my children may have peace."
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Ahhh... thank you for the clarification, I get it and would prefer it happen (if its to happen) while Im still capable as well.
But I will never vote commie and if they are in charge at the time, they will not let that crisis go to waste and it will not turn out like we hope it would or balkanization might happen...no one knows...its a crap shoot.

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I fully admit the leadership are playing us.
BUT...those voting the dems in are not part of the "paradigm" they are the useful idiots that will be the ones doing the killing...far to many only focus on the leadership and not the people.
The two ideologies are not the same.
 
Ok, so let me get this straight. This man, who works almost 24/7 for our country, who has endured 3 assassination attempts, who has been tormented by constant lies and court cases accusing him of all kinds of nasty sh*t and who is impeded by a do nothing congress hell bent on thwarting his every move and constantly threatening to impeach him, did not deliver on promises made in a timely manner. Even though he has accomplished a lot for our country and also prevented a crazy regime from making a weapon to bomb us into forever, he let the price of groceries and gas go up, he did not predict correctly when he made promises, how long the process would take, and he did not understand and take into account that he would have to fight both sides of congress to try to get anything done. I sure am glad I don't work for you guys.

For the life of me I can't understand why this man would want this job or why he came back for second term of punishment from both parties but I'm glad he did. Do you really think there is someone else out there that could do this job better, with all the roadblocks, right now?

I will not disparage this man for his record and I will support his leadership until he has completed his term. That's what it means to be a patriot
 
Greywolf036 said:
Honestly, it's because of the promises NOT KEPT.
WE are still watching our money go overseas.
Crimes committed by the elites, the atmosphere being poisoned, children being kidnapped by corrupt agencies and being distributed to who knows where,
Shall we talk about TAXATION.
How's those fuel costs,
Then there's that BULLSHIT regarding the ILLEGALS. Like those illegal truck drivers that are supposedly taking off the road, THAT ALONE should mean there's more available freight for American truckers to haul. There's NOT.
ALSO, They supposedly took another 3500 off the road, and are only deporting 41?
Then there's the ones with the drivers name of, and I quote, "no name given", by the hundreds.
Maybe we should talk about the farms, the price of beef, maybe the new "tick born diseases" to stop folks from eating beef, and forcing them to possibly eat that lab grown shit. Btw, those boxes, of ticks, have been found all over the country.
Let's talk of the chemtrails, .
Now those ****ers have come out, and admitted to doing it, yes Florida has outlawed them, BUT APPARENTLY ONLY TO A CERTAIN ALTITUDE.
Maybe we should talk about the EPSTEIN FILES, and no arrests, no prosecution, no convictions, just redacted information, names, and lost files.

AND THE LISTS GO ON.
SAME SHIT, DIFFERENT DAY.
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Boxes of ticks?
 
TFergeson said:
The only difference between the parties is the time it takes us to arrive to the same destination. And the window between the two is shortening, rapidly.

When presented with that choice, your choice, the logical option is to vote Democrat to get the collapse over with sooner.
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The real fight is the two party's against Trump. Trump is not the bad guy. He's doing a yeoman's work exposing all this...are you folks not paying attention. Thune is not Trump and you can bet Trump is dumping all kinds of evidence of the voting fraud in Thunes face. Your last sentence is pathetic. There's no logic there at all.
 
TFergeson said:
Go ahead and make a list.
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So you think open borders was a great idea and closing them was not an accomplishment. And you think discovering fraud and waste isn't helping to clean up government programs. And countries ripping us off for their support and protection costing us Billions of dollars was ok. And our government importing H1B people with fake credentials to take over our tech jobs was a good idea. And letting other countries have free trade policies so they could drain our country dry of investment was useful. And giving a country who hates everything about us lots of money and permission to build lots of nuclear bombs was great and didn't necessitate us stopping them. Our country was setup for a giant failure and Trump is the first president to attempt to turn the big boat around.
 
Ractivist said:
The real fight is the two party's against Trump. Trump is not the bad guy. He's doing a yeoman's work exposing all this...are you folks not paying attention. Thune is not Trump and you can bet Trump is dumping all kinds of evidence of the voting fraud in Thunes face. Your last sentence is pathetic. There's no logic there at all.
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The question is, what permanent positive change has Trump effected? You talk about all of the work that he is doing. Believe me, I am watching his policy actions. Not just what he says, but what he does.

Nothing he has done that everyone here is touting as a win has been codified and will more than likely be reversed day one of a Dem administration. That is not a win, that is temporary appeasement with a punt down the road so that he can say
not my fault" while the noose gets tighter.

The only saving grace in all this is that with the recent Supreme Court decision on racial gerrymandering, it looks like the mid terms will be at minimum postponed, if not cancelled.
 
ShyGirl said:
So you think open borders was a great idea and closing them was not an accomplishment. And you think discovering fraud and waste isn't helping to clean up government programs. And countries ripping us off for their support and protection costing us Billions of dollars was ok. And our government importing H1B people with fake credentials to take over our tech jobs was a good idea. And letting other countries have free trade policies so they could drain our country dry of investment was useful. And giving a country who hates everything about us lots of money and permission to build lots of nuclear bombs was great and didn't necessitate us stopping them. Our country was setup for a giant failure and Trump is the first president to attempt to turn the big boat around.
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Those things are great, but temporary. See my post above.

As for Iran, well the jury is still out on your statement on that.
 
TFergeson said:
Those things are great, but temporary. See my post above.

As for Iran, well the jury is still out on your statement on that.
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So you think you have more information about the state of the union and the dangers it faces than the President has and you could handle the congress critters better than he does
so you could get things codified!
 
ShyGirl said:
So you think you have more information about the state of the union and the dangers it faces than the President has and you could handle the congress critters better than he does
so you could get things codified!
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That is not what I asked, nor what I said. I did not ask how, or why. I asked what.

The answer in your answer, which is also my answer in my post above, is nothing. Nothing has been codified. It is therefore all temporary and can be and probably will be reversed day one if it is not codified. This also discounts all of the negatives the other posters have stated above, which, when tallied up with all of those temporary things that will be reversed, results in a net negative of his actions so far.

This may be uncomfortable, and disheartening, but it is factual.
 
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And how people wail and gnash their teeth. He (Trump) isn't pure enough. We have our own vision of MAGA and he's not adhering to it.

The massive psychological operation is working. The weak minded are leaving and assuming the fetal position. They aren't staying the course. They aren't fighting.

Nobody's going to do the heavy lifting for you, folks. Stop with the crying and bitching and GET TO WORK! Quit being sunshine patriots.
Never give in. Never quit. Never surrender. You have the Constitution on your side. It can't do anything, but YOU can.

Ah shit, here come the negative excuses and yeah buts.
 
Ractivist said:
GEEZ, one would think the recent efforts on Comey would appease some. Or the statement about hyperactive operations beginning. We are seeing the path to pursue Fauci develop. We are seeing Cuba about to become a state maybe....Venezuela moving in the direction of free people, again. Iran is a thorn in the worlds side, and their manipulation of oil along with the City of London has been exposed, and is being dealt with. The net result will be cheaper gas...but there's a process to go thru to get there. The massive amounts of fraud and corruption is being exposed within our government.........

Some folks here, should not be so negative....makes me wonder, how far the psyops goes...or the critical thinking lost.

The sheer amount of the corruption should make it obvious the depth of the problem and the difficulty in dealing with all the evil SOB's. We see the one eye'd people gladly selling their souls to fight Trump, and enrich themselves.

It's sad to see some of the family here, so willing to ignore the big picture, while whining about the price of gas. When a person goes in for major heart work, sometimes they have to cut the chest wide open to fix things. It aint easy folks.

Until the mid terms are over, I stand tall and strong for President Trump. Un ashamedly. And I personally love his direct approach, speaking his mind, ridiculing the evil left. I love his style. No one person can troll the left like he does. And those here who don't like it should wake up to its effectiveness. Who else knows of a psychiatric label as well defined as TDS. He's an amazing man, and I pray he is successful in all his endeavors to save the country, and the world.

But alas, we are living at the end of the age. Harder times are guaranteed. I pray those so easily turned against Trump, don't give up on Christ as easily.

Grow a pair, or reach down and free em up....
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Spot on! No matter what, we can't allow radical muzzies to obtain a nuclear weapon!
 
Groucho said:
And how people wail and gnash their teeth. He (Trump) isn't pure enough. We have our own vision of MAGA and he's not adhering to it.

The massive psychological operation is working. The weak minded are leaving and assuming the fetal position. They aren't staying the course. They aren't fighting.

Nobody's going to do the heavy lifting for you, folks. Stop with the crying and bitching and GET TO WORK! Quit being sunshine patriots.
Never give in. Never quit. Never surrender. You have the Constitution on your side. It can't do anything, but YOU can.

Ah shit, here come the negative excuses and yeah buts.
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Never surrender. Thanks for saying that, because THAT is the distilled essence of MAGA.

Never EVER surrender. In anything you do. MAGA is good. MAGA is wholesome. MAGA is America and has always been.
Everything else is the affectations of weak effeminate New Communist men. They're just following the script their handlers laid out 50 years ago.
 
Big Kahuna said:
Spot on! No matter what, we can't allow radical muzzies to obtain a nuclear weapon!
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Pakistan is Islamic and has nuclear weapons.

If you're referring to Iran, there is significant evidence pointing to them not having nor pursuing nuclear weapons, and there is even much discussion about the "radical" part.

ETA: But to not derail this post with Iran stuff, it this particular issue can be discussed in the Iran Non News thread:

WAR - US/Iran war. Non news discussion.

Hmmm. I haven't poked my head in here before. Is this where all of the "bad kids" hang out? Banished by Summerthyme due to some vague transgression committed on the "big thread"?
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ParanoidNot said:
Ask your friends where they primarily get their news. If it is the MSM then you will know why they are disappointed. Remind them that the MSM dislikes Trump and his supporters and the MSM primarily only report THIER HOPE that he is failing. Then suggest a few news sources that you think are more fair and/or unbiased in you opinion.
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Its not just the MSM, plenty of survival/guntoobers stuck on Iran and the Efiles going ham on him..
If you check the comments on their vids its like a democrat convention, its nuts
 
Ractivist said:
Perhaps that surgery began in 2016.......and it prepared him for his next "two terms"....
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The problem is that we're still in the painful and messy part, going into the midterms. And Trump needs as many people on his side as possible for the NEXT two years. He has a hard enough time getting along with Republicans. He'll have an even WORSE time if a lot of Dems get in because people want relief from high prices and try to get it by voting for the bird's other wing.
 
ShyGirl said:
Ok, so let me get this straight. This man, who works almost 24/7 for our country, who has endured 3 assassination attempts, who has been tormented by constant lies and court cases accusing him of all kinds of nasty sh*t and who is impeded by a do nothing congress hell bent on thwarting his every move and constantly threatening to impeach him, did not deliver on promises made in a timely manner. Even though he has accomplished a lot for our country and also prevented a crazy regime from making a weapon to bomb us into forever, he let the price of groceries and gas go up, he did not predict correctly when he made promises, how long the process would take, and he did not understand and take into account that he would have to fight both sides of congress to try to get anything done. I sure am glad I don't work for you guys.

For the life of me I can't understand why this man would want this job or why he came back for second term of punishment from both parties but I'm glad he did. Do you really think there is someone else out there that could do this job better, with all the roadblocks, right now?

I will not disparage this man for his record and I will support his leadership until he has completed his term. That's what it means to be a patriot
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It is not and has never been a hatred directed at just Trump; it is a hatred directed at anyone who puts our Constitutional Republics interests above the interests of leftists, globalists, and corporate/financial elitists. For those with short term memory there were MANY instances of assaults and acts of vandalism toward Trump supporters. Several of his closest supporters lost small fortunes and in some cases their freedom fighting made up lawfare cases. Then there was the J6 protestors who were LEGALLY peacefully protesting what was obviously a fraudulent election as well as others who did not even attend the protest who were hunted down like terrorists and locked up without due process or any of the rights given to even the most violent criminals.

Speaking of Constitutional Republic, maybe we should consider using the term "Constitutional Republic" when referring to America as it seems many of our citizens as well as a majority of those within government have forgotten that America IS a Constitutional Republic and NOT a democracy.

All those bs impeachment attempts, they would have never happened if just a few high-level criminals from the previous administration had actually been investigated and charged. Letting them slide signaled weakness and emboldened them to use lawfare against Trump and his supporters.

As far as iran is concerned, to say Trump has prevented any possibility of their building and/or acquiring nuclear weapons is highly questionable since actual thorough inspections of both known and unknown nuclear facilities, labs, and storage facilities have never been permitted. Additionally, as long as the majority of the inhabitants of iran or any other state, province, or country follow islam they will remain a threat. Besides, I cannot think of any time American military intervention and/or war against an islamic regime resulted in freedom, tolerance of other religions, and ending their support and/or participation in terrorism.

As the saying "this isn't my first rodeo" implies, this being Trumps second term he was fully aware of the corruption and obstruction he would face before he ever decided to run. Even though Trump learned the hard way during his first term the importance of selecting only those truly loyal and supportive of the MAGA agenda to his administration he is still repeating the same mistakes.


Mark Twain: 'Loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government when it deserves it.'​

 
the t-party movement gave them both houses and Ronni.

They went b@lls out against the movement with Bush sr and went back to being the money licking lackeys that talked the talk but never did walk the walk.

Trumps first term was the same and his second has been the same. The RINOs have sabotaged his programs and been cowards.

RINOs or demoncrats are in their depths the same. Power, money and they don’t care about anybody else
 
Groucho said:
And how people wail and gnash their teeth. He (Trump) isn't pure enough. We have our own vision of MAGA and he's not adhering to it.
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No.
Trump defined MAGA.
That MAGA is long lost and left behind.

MAGA is going to the same dust bin of history that the Tea Party movement went.

TFergeson said:
The key is that the movement is no longer MAGA.
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I'm still MAGA.
You're still MAGA.
Trump is pushing vey little MAGA.
 
I've said my piece and I'll stand my ground. For all of you who will stand with me I will call you my countrymen. I will not hamshackle the one president who believes in this country and is trying to save it. I will not sew the seeds of disloyalty by preaching distrust and whining about what is not yet done.
 
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