CORONA Is Ivermectin The New Penicillin?

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Is Ivermectin The New Penicillin?

by Tyler Durden
Friday, May 28, 2021 - 11:00 PM
Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic drug placed the same radioactive category as Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) for the treatment of COVID-19, has reemerged as a promising treatment in the battle to extinguish the pandemic.
New York Times best-selling author Michael Capuzzo has called it the "drug that cracked Covid," writing that there are “hundreds of thousands, actually millions, of people around the world, from Uttar Pradesh in India to Peru to Brazil, who are living and not dying.”
Doctors in India are big fans.
To that end Dr. Justus R. Hope, MD asks in The Desert Review: Is Ivermectin the new Penicillin?
Uttarakhand; As Far Away from Delhi as it Gets
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As those Indian States using Ivermectin continue to diverge in cases and deaths from those states that forbid it, the natural experiment illustrates the power of Ivermectin decisively.

Cases in Delhi, where Ivermectin was begun on April 20, dropped from 28,395 to just 2,260 on May 22. This represents an astounding 92% drop. Likewise, cases in Uttar Pradesh have dropped from 37,944 on April 24 to 5,964 on May 22 - a decline of 84%.

Delhi and Uttar Pradesh followed the All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS) guidance published April 20, 2021, which called for dosing of .2 mg per kg of Ivermectin per body weight for three days. This amounts to 15 mg per day for a 150-pound person or 18 mg per day for a 200-pound individual.

The other three Indian states that adopted it are all down as well. Goa is down from 4,195 to 1,647, Uttarakhand is down from 9,624 to 2,903, and Karnataka is down from 50,112 to 31,183. Goa adopted a pre-emptive policy of mass Ivermectin prevention for the entire adult population over age 18 at a dose of 12 mg daily for five days.

Meanwhile, Tamil Nadu announced on May 14 they were outlawing Ivermectin in favor of the politically correct Remdesivir. As a result, Tamil Nadu's cases are up in the same time frame from April 20 to May 22 - 10,986 to 35,873 - more than a tripling.
Although Big Pharma and Big Media have scrambled to try, they cannot explain away this natural experiment. As I predicted May 12, they would first argue "the lockdowns worked." The problem with this is that Tamil Nadu has been on strict lockdown for weeks as their cases have done nothing but climb. So the lockdown did not work.

Their next argument was that "there has been a shift from the highly populated urban areas like Delhi and Mumbai" to the hinterlands, like Tamil Nadu. The big problem is that the adjacent state, Karnataka is just as rural, and its cases are dropping on Ivermectin.
Uttar Pradesh is near the Himalayas and out in the far non-urbanized north where cases are down 84% with Ivermectin. Uttarakhand is even more rural and located in the Himalayas next to Nepal. Its infections are down 70% with Ivermectin.

Their final argument lacked any proof. It was essentially an attempt to smear Ivermectin through association with another drug. It attempted to link Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) with Ivermectin unfairly. While HCQ has become a punchline by the media, scientists like Dr. George Fareed know it is effective against COVID-19 – especially in the early stages.

Dr. Fareed and his associate, Dr. Brian Tyson, have treated some 6,000 patients with nearly 100% success using a combination of HCQ, Ivermectin, Fluvoxamine, and various nutraceuticals, including zinc Vitamin D.
Local frontline doctors modify COVID treatment based on results

Unfortunately, none of this has made it through the censorship of the mainstream media, and the public has not heard about the 200 plus studies that reflect HCQ's effectiveness against COVID-19. The fact remains that HCQ has an undeserved negative connotation due to its connection with Trump, which is unfortunately used to tarnish other life-saving repurposed drugs, like Ivermectin. For example, in the recent Forbes article, journalist Ray uses the title, "Is Ivermectin the New Hydroxychloroquine?"
Is Ivermectin The New Hydroxychloroquine? Online Interest In Unproven Covid Drug Surges As Experts Urge Caution

Ray does not make a single substantive argument against Ivermectin; instead, he attempts to defame, debase or degrade it by repeating baseless accusations. For example, Ray cited Merck's recommendation against Ivermectin as evidence of ineffectiveness, while Merck used no evidence to support their claim. In addition, he cited the FDA's recommendation against Ivermectin, yet the FDA admits they have not reviewed the data on which to base this conclusion: "The FDA has not reviewed data to support the use of Ivermectin in COVID-19 patients to treat or prevent COVID-19..."

As we all know, Merck was involved in the development of a competing drug and had 356 million reasons to throw its own cheap, unprofitable Ivermectin under the bus. Furthermore, the US government was likewise involved in a significant financial conflict of interest with Merck.

Is the Ivermectin Situation Rigged in Favor of Industry: Is the Big Tobacco Analogy Appropriate?
The story of Ivermectin is more similar to that of Penicillin. Penicillin has saved almost 200 million lives. In addition, three men shared a Nobel Prize in 1945 for its discovery.

Ivermectin's discoverers won the 2015 Noble Prize in Medicine, and it has proven to be a life-saving drug in parasitic disease, especially in Africa. Over the past four decades, Ivermectin has saved millions from parasites like strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis - river blindness.

It has already saved tens of thousands from COVID-19 in India in those few locations that use it. It crashed Mexico's, Slovakia's, and Zimbabwe’s cases. I remain more convinced than ever that Ivermectin will bring an end to this Pandemic as the word gets out and more people share the book, Ivermectin for the World. A more fitting title to the Forbes piece might be,

"Is Ivermectin the New Penicillin?"

( Yes Yes Yes )

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[vestige]

Hopefully

 

[223shootersc]

The demoncraps and leftist will do anything to protect Big Pharma. DJT's fight against high pricing in America over other countries for prescription meds was the final straw for the deep state.

 

[dawgofwar10]

What was the name of the online place to get it?

 

[Hfcomms]

What was the name of the online place to get it?

Lot's of places. Amazon for one;

Amazon.com

 

[Green Co.]

What was the name of the online place to get it?

For the paste, your nearest feed store should carry it, all of them around here do. I ordered the pills from Alldaychemist.com, but a few days ago I tried ordering more for kin, but they were sold out. I guess the uptick of covid in India is using the local supply. But I did order a years supply for me & the wife a few months ago.

 

[mudlogger]

dupe

 

[Cardinal]

What was the name of the online place to get it?

Alldaychemist

 

[Southside]

I remember, well, just 6 months or so, ago. I got 12 tubes of horse paste for less than $40.00 on Amazon.
It must work, it's 3X the price now.

 

[Darby]

What is the dosage for humans??

 

[Txkstew]

What is the dosage for humans??

From the OP.
Delhi and Uttar Pradesh followed the All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS) guidance published April 20, 2021, which called for dosing of .2 mg per kg of Ivermectin per body weight for three days. This amounts to 15 mg per day for a 150-pound person or 18 mg per day for a 200-pound individual.

 

[Profit of Doom]

If you’re using the vet paste, treat it like you’re a horse and dispense it per your weight. There’s a detailed thread around here somewhere.

 

[Darby]

Thank you so very much for your replies...

 

[Hfcomms]

From the OP.
Delhi and Uttar Pradesh followed the All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS) guidance published April 20, 2021, which called for dosing of .2 mg per kg of Ivermectin per body weight for three days. This amounts to 15 mg per day for a 150-pound person or 18 mg per day for a 200-pound individual.

And if your using the horse paste that is 1.87% concentration so one needs a digital gram scale to weigh it out. 1 gm would be 18.7mg which would be too much for a normal adult. For my body weight it comes out to be around 800mg of paste.

 

[dawgofwar10]

Lot's of places. Amazon for one;
Thank You

 

[Normallguy]

If you’re using the vet paste, treat it like you’re a horse and dispense it per your weight. There’s a detailed thread around here somewhere.

Dobbin, do you want to chime in here.?
Any opinions from your mouth?

 

[Melodi]

The short answer from Nightwolf: Yes, it looks like it may very well be:

He went to PubMed

aka PubMed and read the scientific papers which is said laypeople can read the summaries of, even if the medical speak in the papers is a bit of a barrier.

The early research is suggesting that taking it early or as a prophylactic may be the best thing with this particular medication.

He's going to the feed store tomorrow and he said the FDA/CDC in the US is already "warning" people not to use "veterinary" versions of the drug because they know darn good and well that anyone with cattle or horses knows it is the same stuff sold by prescription only which they can control.

Nightwolf also said: "If it hadn't been for the situation in India where they had to use this stuff as a last resort because they could not get vaccines, oxygen, or other treatments, we might never have found this out."

He said the basic way this medication seems to work is that it prevents the virus from entering the human cell, no one knows why; the drug was created to expel parasites like worms from the body.

But this is not the first time a medication that does was thing also does something else that is totally unrelated to its original purpose.

He also said that some of the other antimalarial drugs work to some degree but not as well against COVID-19 as this one does (or has been shown to so far).

Finally, he said like any drug, including coffee, there can be some side effects for some people but this drug has been used for so many years and is so well studied that we know that most of these effects are mild (for most humans).

He also said the stuff is DIRT CHEAP - which is why I'm pretty sure that Big Pharma hates it, also if there's a good treatment the need for EXPERIMENTAL and only partly tested vaccines should be greatly reduced (with an emphasis on should be, not will be).

 

[dawgofwar10]

What is the best way to serve up the paste, do you put on a spoon and ingest or other ways that work best?

 

[juco]

What is the best way to serve up the paste, do you put on a spoon and ingest or other ways that work best?

We mix it with applesauce.

 

[dawgofwar10]

We mix it with applesauce.

Thanks, any other options I do like Apple Sauce though..

 

[vestige]

We mix it with applesauce.

If you chase it with whiskey does it help?

 

[juco]

If you chase it with whiskey does it help?

Everything is better with a whiskey chaser, so yeah, I imagine so.

 

[dawgofwar10]

MVCA Make Virginia Conservative Again, that's easy to do just run off all the communist critters within 30 miles of the D.C. Line.

 

[dawgofwar10]

That's why I left md. Two counties and Baltimore control the votes in a very conservative state..

 

[Lynx]

Folks, there's something you need to be aware of if you are using the ivermectin horse paste. As I understand it, when they fill the tubes, they put in the medicine part of it, and then fill the rest of the tube with the carrier paste, with the idea that it will all be administered in the same dose. In other words, it is not mixed evenly. If you are making several doses from a single tube, unless you have some way to mix it thoroughly, there is a good chance that you are getting virtually NO ivermectin in some doses, and much more than you should be in other doses.

 

[Mark D]

From unfolding personal experience:
Day 1) Symptomatic. Start HCQ/Z/C/D
Day 5) HOLY CRAP symptoms get worse. Start IVER
Day 6) 2nd dose IVER (Z/C/D/Querc continue).
Day 8) 3rd dose IVER.
Day 9) The giant dick of COVID is having it's way with me. NOTHING has slowed it.
Day 10) "You have COVID double pneumonia. Do not pass go. Go directly to regional hospital. Start Remdesivir. Wow! That stuff is death on a stick for COVID. I have 3 more rounds to go. Then lung rehab for (hopefully) a week.

I am (was) a lean and healthy 52 year-old with no comorbdities. Eat well. Exercise. You know the drill... COVID went Mike Tyson on me. I had no chance to swing back.. NOTHING slowed it down a whisper until the Remdesivir.

 

[dawgofwar10]

Folks, there's something you need to be aware of if you are using the ivermectin horse paste. As I understand it, when they fill the tubes, they put in the medicine part of it, and then fill the rest of the tube with the carrier paste, with the idea that it will all be administered in the same dose. In other words, it is not mixed evenly. If you are making several doses from a single tube, unless you have some way to mix it thoroughly, there is a good chance that you are getting virtually NO ivermectin in some doses, and much more than you should be in other doses.

Any Ideas on how to prepare and store it?

 

[1911user]

The short answer from Nightwolf: Yes, it looks like it may very well be:

He went to PubMed

aka PubMed and read the scientific papers which is said laypeople can read the summaries of, even if the medical speak in the papers is a bit of a barrier.

The early research is suggesting that taking it early or as a prophylactic may be the best thing with this particular medication.

He's going to the feed store tomorrow and he said the FDA/CDC in the US is already "warning" people not to use "veterinary" versions of the drug because they know darn good and well that anyone with cattle or horses knows it is the same stuff sold by prescription only which they can control.

Nightwolf also said: "If it hadn't been for the situation in India where they had to use this stuff as a last resort because they could not get vaccines, oxygen, or other treatments, we might never have found this out."

He said the basic way this medication seems to work is that it prevents the virus from entering the human cell, no one knows why; the drug was created to expel parasites like worms from the body.

But this is not the first time a medication that does was thing also does something else that is totally unrelated to its original purpose.

He also said that some of the other antimalarial drugs work to some degree but not as well against COVID-19 as this one does (or has been shown to so far).

Finally, he said like any drug, including coffee, there can be some side effects for some people but this drug has been used for so many years and is so well studied that we know that most of these effects are mild (for most humans).

He also said the stuff is DIRT CHEAP - which is why I'm pretty sure that Big Pharma hates it, also if there's a good treatment the need for EXPERIMENTAL and only partly tested vaccines should be greatly reduced (with an emphasis on should be, not will be).

Melodi, make sure Nightwolf is aware of this website and ivermectin effort: Home | FLCCC | Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance
It has lots of iver-related data in one place.

 

[Firebird]

What was the name of the online place to get it?

Tractor Supply too

 

[Lynx]

Any Ideas on how to prepare and store it?

Sorry, no. My only experience is with dosing goats, and we elected to go with the liquid form instead of the paste, just because of this potential problem.

 

[summerthyme]

Any Ideas on how to prepare and store it?

I'm not real sure about the idea that they don't mix the ivermectin paste before filling the tubes. They expect them to be used on anything from a 50# pony foal to a 1500 draft horse (who requires a full tube plus another 250# worth from a second tube.

But for truly accurate dosing, buy the 1% injectable ivermectin sold for sheep and goats, and figure your exact dosage. The 1% contains 10 milligrams per cc. Dosing for a 150 pound human is 12 mgs, or 1.2 cc.

I buy empty gelatin capsules and fill them with the injectable dose, then swallow them. No taste issues, no worries about getting the wrong dose.

Summerthyme

 

[TammyinWI]

Folks, there's something you need to be aware of if you are using the ivermectin horse paste. As I understand it, when they fill the tubes, they put in the medicine part of it, and then fill the rest of the tube with the carrier paste, with the idea that it will all be administered in the same dose. In other words, it is not mixed evenly. If you are making several doses from a single tube, unless you have some way to mix it thoroughly, there is a good chance that you are getting virtually NO ivermectin in some doses, and much more than you should be in other doses.

I was told that the color and taste is consistent all the way through the tube, unless some brands do this...anyone know?

I was thinking about ordering some, to have another form on hand, and to stock up some.

 

[TammyinWI]

From unfolding personal experience:
Day 1) Symptomatic. Start HCQ/Z/C/D
Day 5) HOLY CRAP symptoms get worse. Start IVER
Day 6) 2nd dose IVER (Z/C/D/Querc continue).
Day 8) 3rd dose IVER.
Day 9) The giant dick of COVID is having it's way with me. NOTHING has slowed it.
Day 10) "You have COVID double pneumonia. Do not pass go. Go directly to regional hospital. Start Remdesivir. Wow! That stuff is death on a stick for COVID. I have 3 more rounds to go. Then lung rehab for (hopefully) a week.

I am (was) a lean and healthy 52 year-old with no comorbdities. Eat well. Exercise. You know the drill... COVID went Mike Tyson on me. I had no chance to swing back.. NOTHING slowed it down a whisper until the Remdesivir.

What brand did you use? It must be diluted. Get a different kind!!!

 

[Sherry in PA]

From unfolding personal experience:
Day 1) Symptomatic. Start HCQ/Z/C/D
Day 5) HOLY CRAP symptoms get worse. Start IVER
Day 6) 2nd dose IVER (Z/C/D/Querc continue).
Day 8) 3rd dose IVER.
Day 9) The giant dick of COVID is having it's way with me. NOTHING has slowed it.
Day 10) "You have COVID double pneumonia. Do not pass go. Go directly to regional hospital. Start Remdesivir. Wow! That stuff is death on a stick for COVID. I have 3 more rounds to go. Then lung rehab for (hopefully) a week.

I am (was) a lean and healthy 52 year-old with no comorbdities. Eat well. Exercise. You know the drill... COVID went Mike Tyson on me. I had no chance to swing back.. NOTHING slowed it down a whisper until the Remdesivir.

I had the exact same experience except I was using Ivermectin from first symptoms. I was using it from all day chemist. I’m afraid there are variants here that hcq and ivermectin are no longer working. I was in shock when it didn’t work, If you haven’t had Covid and aren’t vaccinated be very careful I too am 52 with no co mordibities. I’m not overweight and very active. I do take medicine for high blood pressure

 

[Teeja]

Local Farm & Fleet had liquid injectable Ivermectin. We've been using it for monthly de-worming for our dog for years, orally.

Found a page online with instructions for how much to drink per pound of body weight (for humans when used for de-worming). Mixed with juice, no weird taste at all. Got a needle/syringe to suck it out of the bottle and measure the correct amount. Got re-infected with COVID in mid-April 2021 (confirmed via hospital swab test), went from bad to worse, couldn't even stand up without help. At that point, I started the Ivermectin. First dose, then another on day 3 and final dose on day 7. I was feeling much better even 24 hours after the 1st dose. Pretty well cured after 5 days, except for lingering sleepiness and weakness still today. Went and bought another bottle of Ivermectin just to have on-hand for future. Cost was about $25 a bottle. I already had the needle & syringe.

EDIT: also took generous amounts of Vitamin C & zinc, along with the Ivermectin, along with extra strength Tylenol.

 

[Walrus Whisperer]

I use the cattle pour on, it's absorbable thru the skin. My Tractor supply has it, can't find any other kind of it. I just use maybe a teaspoon and rub it on my skin.

 

[night driver]

WW please do some of the math for your dosage.
REALLY don't want to lose you.

 

[Melodi]

Melodi, make sure Nightwolf is aware of this website and ivermectin effort: Home | FLCCC | Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance
It has lots of iver-related data in one place.

I will and remember, NOTHING is going to work for everyone, that is why it is important to have as many options as possible with a virus like this one.

Even when antibiotics first were discovered and came on the market, some people were allergic and sometimes they didn't work on some people but did on others.

We just lost a kitty who "should" have lived but the antibiotics just didn't work well enough or fast enough and they went to his brain (this was a few months ago, we miss him but are passed so this wasn't yesterday).

Mark, I'm sorry this didn't work for you, but also the early studies (what there are) suggest it may work better if taken before symptoms even show up. Which leads to the question of is it worth the risk of side effects for everyone to just take it all the time for the next few months or not? Also, might that encourage new mutations that would make it (and the other anti-malarial drugs) less effective?

All good questions and not a lot of answers, especially since until recently the questions were not "allowed" to be asked at least in the West.

 

[Melodi]

I'm not real sure about the idea that they don't mix the ivermectin paste before filling the tubes. They expect them to be used on anything from a 50# pony foal to a 1500 draft horse (who requires a full tube plus another 250# worth from a second tube.

But for truly accurate dosing, buy the 1% injectable ivermectin sold for sheep and goats, and figure your exact dosage. The 1% contains 10 milligrams per cc. Dosing for a 150 pound human is 12 mgs, or 1.2 cc.

I buy empty gelatin capsules and fill them with the injectable dose, then swallow them. No taste issues, no worries about getting the wrong dose.

Summerthyme

Nightwolf thinks we have powder here in Ireland as well as the pastes, which he plans to look for today or tomorrow - that would be a lot easier to figure out human dosages and make homemade pills out of. I have no idea if this option is in the US or not.

Years ago, like the late 1970s, I'm pretty sure I took this stuff when I came back from the tropics with unwanted guests in my digestive tract. It can have the side effect of "quick evacuation" of the colon, which might make taken in for longer periods of time problematic. Again, it may depend on the individual and what other medications they might already be taking.

 

[Melodi]

And here's Nightwolf:

This is the protocol currently recommended for prophylaxis and early outpatient by the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care alliance. I strongly recommend using the FLCCC website as a first point of call for practical purposes.

The dosage is for oral ivermectin, taken on an empty stomach with water.

0.2 mg/kg (=0.09 mg/lb)
High-risk prophylaxis: one dose on day 1, 1 dose on day 3, 1 dose weekly for 10 weeks, followed by one dose every two weeks.
Post-exposure prophylaxis: 1 dose on day 1, 1 dose on day 3
For prophylaxis, add 1000-3000 IU vit D3/day
1000 mg vit C/day
250 mg quercetin/day
50 mg zinc/day
6 mg melatonin/day (take 1/2 hour before bedtime; most commonly used as a sleep cycle aid)

Early outpatient protocol:
1 dose ivermectin on day 1 and day 3
plus 4,000 IU vit D/day
2000 mg C 2-3x/day


250 mg quercetin 2x/day
100 mg zinc/day
10 mg melatonin/day (before bedtime)
325 mg aspirin/day unless contraindicated

In hospitalized/severe Covid patients, there doesn't seem to be a clear protocol, but the empirical evidence suggests that individual dose size may remain about the same, but given with higher frequency (one study on hospitalized Covid patients in Bangladesh was using a dose of 12 mg ivermectin 1x/day for 5 days, about the recommended prophylaxis dosage for someone ca. 111-130 lbs, or average-sized adults for a region where the normal weight is generally on the light sde as humans go and most of the population is not fat).

As far as veterinary ivermectin goes: here in Ireland, at least, paste wormers for horses are well-mixed. You can tell they are well-mixed because the tube delivery system is marked by 50- or 100-kg increments; one tube suffices for a moderately large horse (600 kg or so), but if you have, for instance, a smallish Icelandic (350-400 kg) you only give it up to that mark. There is no concern about a small horse who takes part of a tube getting underdosed or overdosed because of the use of filler paste and insufficient blending.

Many of the paste wormers also include praziquantel to cover parasites that ivermectin doesn't touch. Praziquantel is also a human anti-parasitic. I would not recommend using a mixed ivermectin/praziquantel horse wormer unless there is no other option, and one would have to look into safe human dosages for praziquantel and calculate accordingly. However, it may be useful to know this in severe circumstances.