WAR Iran/ US/mideast war thread - 2/28/26 Open Hostilities (Thread for Off Topic discussion started, see post #13,751, page 344)

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
The Strait is not international waters. It lies within the territorial waters of Iran and Oman. Iran is not party to the Law of the Sea treaty. They have just allowed passage until now.
"as a vital international chokepoint, it is legally governed by UNCLOS transit passage rules"

"they are governed by international maritime law and the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS)"

Even if Iran didn't "sign", these ARE the rules.

But since when (in the last 47 years) did Iran ever obey the rules?

 

DryCreek

Veteran Member
Capture some IRANIAN ships.

Send THEM through the old route---to encounter the mines.

Drag them away when done.
There are no more Iranian "ships".
They're all "floating at the bottom of the sea" now. All they have left are small swift boats. Lightly armed with S2S missiles and small cannon. Probably not magnetic enough to set off a mine, and don't displace enough to build a pressure wave for newer style mines.
 

BassMan

Veteran Member

I can never get X links to work, but at the X link I see:

BREAKING Iran announces alternative routes for ships travelling through the Strait of Hormuz, citing the risk of sea mines in the main zone of the vital waterway.

Tehran has agreed to temporarily reopen the strait, through which one-fifth of the world's oil usually passes, as part of a two-week truce
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
There are no more Iranian "ships".
They're all "floating at the bottom of the sea" now. All they have left are small swift boats. Lightly armed with S2S missiles and small cannon. Probably not magnetic enough to set off a mine, and don't displace enough to build a pressure wave for newer style mines.
pity.

Then Iranian small boats with really powerful magnets on board?
 

AlfaMan

We're all Devo!
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Taken hostage? I'm fully expecting a bombing or suicide gunmen attack against the US delegation.
Remember Pakistan has had their own little political issues lately.

And their ISI is probably well infected with pro Iran/IRGC people as well.

Iran would find this meeting to be a very tempting target, as well. Even if their people are sititng in the meeting room, taking out the vice president of the "great satan" would be almost irrestible.



Here's a thought for the crowd.

During Desert Storm, Iraq flew most of their air force into Iran; although they fought a very bloody war for nearly a decade. The war ended in 1989; in 1991 IRaq is sending their air force for protection from a former sworn, bitter enemy.

Iran has nukes. They also have tons of enriched uranium, and probably equally large stocks of yellowcake sitting around. One almost wonders if Iran is going to use Pakistan as a location to store/hide their nuclear stores? Perhaps squirrel the stuff away before the negotiations start?
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Remember Pakistan has had their own little political issues lately.

And their ISI is probably well infected with pro Iran/IRGC people as well.

Iran would find this meeting to be a very tempting target, as well. Even if their people are sititng in the meeting room, taking out the vice president of the "great satan" would be almost irrestible.



Here's a thought for the crowd.

During Desert Storm, Iraq flew most of their air force into Iran; although they fought a very bloody war for nearly a decade. The war ended in 1989; in 1991 IRaq is sending their air force for protection from a former sworn, bitter enemy.

Iran has nukes. They also have tons of enriched uranium, and probably equally large stocks of yellowcake sitting around. One almost wonders if Iran is going to use Pakistan as a location to store/hide their nuclear stores? Perhaps squirrel the stuff away before the negotiations start?
Dude, you might want to rework this with VERY careful attention to the nations referred to.
 

AlfaMan

We're all Devo!
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auxman

Deus vult...
Institute for the Study of War:

Iran Update Evening Special Report, April 8, 2026: US President Donald Trump announced on April 7 that the United States and Iran agreed to a two-week ceasefire deal mediated by Pakistan. Trump stated that Iran sent a ten-point proposal to form the basis of upcoming negotiations in Islamabad, Pakistan, on April 10.

Other Key Takeaways:

Senior US and Israeli officials stated on April 7 and 8 that the Israeli campaign in Lebanon is not a part of the US-Iran ceasefire deal. Hezbollah officials claimed that unspecified actors informed the group that it would be a party to the ceasefire deal. US President Donald Trump told PBS News on April 8 that Lebanon is not included in the US-Iran ceasefire deal.

The IDF conducted the largest number of airstrikes against Hezbollah personnel and infrastructure throughout Lebanon, including central Beirut, since the start of the Israeli campaign in Lebanon. The IDF struck over 100 Hezbollah headquarters, command-and-control centers, missile launch sites, and Hezbollah drone unit and Radwan Force sites in Beirut, southern Lebanon, and the Bekaa Valley.

Iran has continued to threaten shipping in the Strait of Hormuz despite the ceasefire, which is making vessels reticent to transit the strait. Traffic through the Strait of Hormuz remains significantly low amid Iran’s lingering threats and uncertainty over a fragile ceasefire.·

Iranian Foreign Affairs Minister Abbas Araghchi had to convince Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) commanders to accept the US proposal for a ceasefire, according to a regional source familiar with the talks speaking to Axios. The ceasefire follows reports that a group of veteran hardline IRGC commanders has consolidated power within the Iranian regime in recent weeks and is playing an increasingly central role in decision-making, such as appointments to key positions.

MORE: Iran has continued to threaten shipping in the Strait of Hormuz despite the ceasefire, which is making vessels reticent to transit the strait. Iran is levying these threats so that it can extract tolls on traffic through an international waterway.

Traffic through the Strait of Hormuz remains significantly low amid Iran’s lingering threats and uncertainty over a fragile ceasefire. Commercial maritime tracking data showed only five Iranian‑flagged cargo vessels entered the strait, while just three international oil tankers, six international cargo vessels, and one unknown Iranian-flagged vessel exited via Iran’s alternative route between April 7 at 2:00 PM ET and April 8 at 2:00 PM ET.

The S&P Global Market Intelligence recorded that Iran permitted only four vessels to transit on April 7, the lowest daily total so far in April.

Major shipping companies, including Maersk and Mitsui O.S.K. Lines, continue to suspend or tightly limit transits, citing the absence of clear rules and security guarantees.

Shipping and maritime intelligence executives told the Financial Times that daily traffic has fallen to just 10 to 15 vessels, compared with roughly 135 per day before the crisis.

Around 800 tankers are now waiting to transit, with an estimated 300 to 400 vessels effectively stranded inside the Persian Gulf.

View: https://twitter.com/i/status/2042060487152538090
 

blueinterceptor

Veteran Member
@visegrad24

NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte says that not all European nations lived up to their commitments and that he understands Trump’s disappointment with that.

He also says that he really admires Trump’s leadership

50 seconds
View: https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/2042018273026281611
Isn’t this guy in charge of NATO? If so first why isn’t he making sure that the European part of NATO is mission capable. And why isn’t he pushing for nato’s involvement?
if he can’t get NATO countries at least into mission capable status. Then he is a bureaucrat and should resign
 

Babs

Veteran Member
I don't know about anyone else, but I've reached a point that any assertion by anyone about what someone else said or communicated is basically disregarded. Especially if it's "Government Sources" or "Aides to the Secretary" or whatever. Too often it's just been utter bullsh*t.

If there's video of the primary source saying it, then it's a maybe, because "Selective Editing" and AI is getting too damned good.

And people all over have gone too damned bat-sh*t crazy to trust; even some who seemed to have good reps prior to whateverinthehell is going around.

Yes, I was thinking earlier about ending all my posts with "Allegedly"
 

auxman

Deus vult...

day late

money? whats that?
I don't know about anyone else, but I've reached a point that any assertion by anyone about what someone else said or communicated is basically disregarded. Especially if it's "Government Sources" or "Aides to the Secretary" or whatever. Too often it's just been utter bullsh*t.

If there's video of the primary source saying it, then it's a maybe, because "Selective Editing" and AI is getting too damned good.

And people all over have gone too damned bat-sh*t crazy to trust; even some who seemed to have good reps prior to whateverinthehell is going around.
To me a lot of these “announcements”, especially the ones where people are proclaiming ‘this leaked secret document PROVES IT!!!‘ sounds like nothing more than tabloid trash and I usually just skip them.
 

auxman

Deus vult...

The Failing New York Times and Fake News CNN each reported a totally FAKE TEN POINT PLAN on the Iran negotiations which was meant to discredit the people involved in the peace process.

All ten points were a made up HOAX - EVIL LOSERS!!!

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
 

Big Sarge

Old School

The Failing New York Times and Fake News CNN each reported a totally FAKE TEN POINT PLAN on the Iran negotiations which was meant to discredit the people involved in the peace process.

All ten points were a made up HOAX - EVIL LOSERS!!!

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Figures. I knew better. That’s why I wait a little bit to let all the real info get disseminated to make my judgment on a situation.
 

auxman

Deus vult...
OSINTdefender:

Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) has published a statement announcing alternative routes for commercial vessels traveling through the Strait of Hormuz, in order to avoid sea mines deployed during the war with Israel and the United States. “All ships intending to transit the Strait of Hormuz are hereby notified that in order to comply with the principles of maritime safety and to be protected from possible collisions with sea mines...they should take alternative routes for traffic in the Strait of Hormuz,” the statement said, providing instructions for an alternative entry and exit route for ships transiting the Hormuz Strait.

View: https://twitter.com/i/status/2042077140275933595
 

KFhunter

Has No Life - Lives on TB
View: https://twitter.com/shawnryan762/status/2041990673222570488?s=61



The Pentagon summoned the Pope's ambassador, told him the United States has the military power to do "whatever it wants," and warned that the Church better take its side.
They even invoked the Avignon Papacy, a dark chapter in history when a government used military force to bend the Church to its will.
So where exactly does this end? If the Pope refuses to fall in line, what's the next move, bomb the Vatican?

Welp, he took a page out of Candace and Tucker’s book. The cheese slipped off his cracker too.

What the heck is going on with these people?

This is from the daily beast.
 

auxman

Deus vult...

All U.S. Ships, Aircraft, and Military Personnel, with additional Ammunition, Weaponry, and anything else that is appropriate and necessary for the lethal prosecution and destruction of an already substantially degraded Enemy, will remain in place in, and around, Iran, until such time as the REAL AGREEMENT reached is fully complied with.

If for any reason it is not, which is highly unlikely, then the “Shootin’ Starts,” bigger, and better, and stronger than anyone has ever seen before.

It was agreed, a long time ago, and despite all of the fake rhetoric to the contrary - NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS and, the Strait of Hormuz WILL BE OPEN & SAFE.

In the meantime our great Military is Loading Up and Resting, looking forward, actually, to its next Conquest.

AMERICA IS BACK!
 

auxman

Deus vult...
OSINTdefender:

Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) has published a statement announcing alternative routes for commercial vessels traveling through the Strait of Hormuz, in order to avoid sea mines deployed during the war with Israel and the United States. “All ships intending to transit the Strait of Hormuz are hereby notified that in order to comply with the principles of maritime safety and to be protected from possible collisions with sea mines...they should take alternative routes for traffic in the Strait of Hormuz,” the statement said, providing instructions for an alternative entry and exit route for ships transiting the Hormuz Strait.

View: https://twitter.com/i/status/2042077140275933595

Jon Gambrell:

APNewsAlert: DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (@AP) — Iranian news agencies publish chart suggesting Revolutionary Guard put sea mines in the Strait of Hormuz during the war.

View: https://twitter.com/i/status/2042091749179584568
 

day late

money? whats that?
So hard line IRGC are clashing with ‘go along to get along’ members. The Basij have their own problems. I notice Saudi Arabia is under attack again. I guess we did get the guy who gave the launch order when we got the other ones. Must have been replaced. It also can‘t be missed that the worse things get for the mullah’s, the more outrageous the threats by them become. We’ve heard mega warheads would rain down, Bibb is dead, Haifa is rubble, same for Tel Aviv.

They have announced to the people, who’ve been cheering when our bombs hit, that we have admitted wrong doing and we’re so ashamed and sorry we promise to never attack again. (This is now all Israel, Death to them)

We’ve also heard there are tens of thousands of missiles and drones ready to go. They will completely wipe out any invading ground force along with the help of the brave, patriotic, and faithful Iranian citizens.

I must say that’s a trap that I never saw coming. Imagine, allowing most of your Navy to be sunk, Air Force destroyed, who knows how many of your brown shirts to be killed, maimed, and/or learning about payback, just to lure our forces into a trap where they can unleash hell from above on us.

Personally, I think I would have put up a better defense from the get go.
 

day late

money? whats that?
Or they want everyone to  think they did. .....
In an old sci-fi tv show one of the good guys was actually an escaped thief. He said something interesting.

”All security comes down to two things. The physical, locks, bolts, things to physically keep you out and then there is the psychological.”

”What do you mean?”

”Say you have field you don’t want anybody to go into. So, you put up a sign warning the they’ll get galloping goute or some other horrible disease and nobody goes out there.”

Would you want to play Russian Roulette with your ship?
 
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