EBOLA I'm a Hazmat-Trained Hospital Worker: Here's What No One Is Telling You About Ebola

OddOne

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"I'm a Hazmat-Trained Hospital Worker: Here's What No One Is Telling You About Ebola"

"I'm a Hazmat-Trained Hospital Worker: Here's What No One Is Telling You About Ebola" (by Abby Norman)

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Ebola is brilliant.

It is a superior virus that has evolved and fine-tuned its mechanism of transmission to be near-perfect. That's why we're all so terrified. We know we can't destroy it. All we can do is try to divert it, outrun it.

I've worked in health care for a few years now. One of the first things I took advantage of was training to become FEMA-certified for hazmat ops in a hospital setting. My rationale for this was that, in my home state of Maine, natural disasters are almost a given. We're also, though you may not know it, a state that has many major ports that receive hazardous liquids from ships and transport them inland. In the back of my mind, of course, I was aware that any hospital in the world could potentially find itself at the epicenter of a scene from The Hot Zone. That was several years ago. Today I'm thinking, by God, I might actually have to use this training. Mostly, though, I'm aware of just that -- that I did receive training. Lots of it. Because you can't just expect any nurse or any doctor or any health care worker or layperson to understand the deconning procedures by way of some kind of pamphlet or 10-minute training video. Not only is it mentally rigorous, but it's physically exhausting.

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PPE, or, personal protective equipment, is sort of a catch-all phrase for the suits, booties, gloves, hoods and in many cases respirators worn by individuals who are entering a hot zone. These suits are incredibly difficult to move in. You are wearing several layers of gloves, which limits your dexterity to basically nil, the hoods limit the scope of your vision -- especially your peripheral vision, which all but disappears. The suits are hot -- almost unbearably so. The respirator gives you clean air, but not cool air. These suits are for protection, not comfort. Before you even suit up, your vitals need to be taken. You can't perform in the suit for more than about a half hour at a time -- if you make it that long. Heat stroke is almost a given at that point. You have to be fully hydrated and calm before you even step into the suit. By the time you come out of it, and your vitals are taken again, you're likely to be feeling the impact -- you may not have taken more than a few steps in the suit, but you'll feel like you've run a marathon on a 90-degree day.

Getting the suit on is easy enough, but it requires team work. Your gloves, all layers of them, are taped to your suit. This provides an extra layer of protection and also limits your movement. There is a very specific way to tape all the way around so that there are no gaps or "tenting" of the tape. If you don't do this properly, there ends up being more than enough open pockets for contamination to seep in.

If you're wearing a respirator, it needs to be tested prior to donning to make sure it is in good condition and that the filter has been changed recently, so that it will do its job. Ebola is not airborne. It is not like influenza, which spreads on particles that you sneeze or cough. However, Ebola lives in vomit, diarrhea and saliva  -- and these avenues for infection can travel. Projectile vomiting is called so for a reason. Particles that are in vomit may aerosolize at the moment the patient vomits. This is why if the nurses in Dallas were in the room when the first patient, Thomas Duncan, was actively vomiting, it would be fairly easy for them to become infected. Especially if they were not utilizing their PPE correctly.

The other consideration is this: The "doffing" procedure, that is, the removal of PPE, is the most crucial part. It is also the point at which the majority of mistakes are made, and my guess is that this is what happened in Dallas.

The PPE, if worn correctly, does an excellent job of protecting you while you are wearing it. But eventually you'll need to take it off. Before you begin, you need to decon the outside of the PPE. That's the first thing. This is often done in the field with hoses or mobile showers/tents. Once this crucial step has occurred, the removal of PPE needs to be done in pairs. You cannot safely remove it by yourself. One reason you are wearing several sets of gloves is so that you have sterile gloves beneath your exterior gloves that will help you to get out of your suit. The procedure for this is taught in FEMA courses, and you run drills with a buddy over and over again until you get it right. You remove the tape and discard it. You throw it away from you. You step out of your boots  --  careful not to let your body touch the sides. Your partner helps you to slither out of the suit, again, not touching the outside of it. This is difficult, and it cannot be rushed. The respirators need to be deconned, batteries changed, filters changed. The hoods, once deconnned, need to be stored properly. If the suits are disposable, they need to be disposed of properly. If not, they need to be thoroughly deconned and stored safely. And they always need to be checked for rips, tears, holes, punctures or any other even tiny, practically invisible openings that could make the suit vulnerable.

Can anyone tell me if this happened in Dallas?

We run at least an annual drill at my hospital each year. We are a small hospital and thus are a small emergency response team. But because we make a point to review our protocols, train our staff (actually practice donning/doffing gear), I realized this week that this puts us ahead at some much larger and more notable hospitals in the United States. Every hospital should be running these types of emergency response drills yearly, at least. To hear that the nurses in Dallas reported that there were no protocols at their hospital broke my heart. Their health care system failed them. In the United States we always talk about how the health care system is failing patients, but the truth is, it has failed its employees too. Not just doctors and nurses, but allied health professionals as well. The presence of Ebola on American soil has drawn out the true vulnerabilities in the health care system, and they are not fiscally based. We spend trillions of dollars on health care in this country -- yet the allocation of those funds are grossly disproportionate to how other countries spend their health care expenditures. We aren't focused on population health. Now, with Ebola threatening our population, the truth is out.

The truth is, in terms of virology, Ebola should not be a threat to American citizens. We have clean water. We have information. We have the means to educate ourselves, practice proper hand-washing procedures, protect ourselves with hazmat suits. The CDC Disease Detectives were dispatched to Dallas almost immediately to work on the front lines to identify those who might be at risk, who could have been exposed. We have the technology, and we certainly have the money to keep Ebola at bay. What we don't have is communication. What we don't have is a health care system that values preventative care. What we don't have is an equal playing field between nurses and physicians and allied health professionals and patients. What we don't have is a culture of health where we work symbiotically with one another and with the technology that was created specifically to bridge communication gaps, but has in so many ways failed. What we don't have is the social culture of transparency, what we don't have is a stopgap against mounting hysteria and hypochondria, what we don't have is nation of health literate individuals. We don't even have health-literate professionals. Most doctors are specialists and are well versed only in their field. Ask your orthopedist a general question about your health -- see if they can comfortably answer it.

Health care operates in silos -- we can't properly isolate our patients, but we sure as hell can isolate ourselves as health care workers.

As we slide now into flu season, into a time of year when we are normally braced for winter diseases, colds, flus, sick days and cancelled plans, the American people has also now been truly exposed to another disease entirely: the excruciating truth about our health care system's dysfunction -- and the prognosis doesn't look good.

Note: In response to some comments, I would like to clarify that I am FEMA-trained in level 3 hazmat in a hospital setting. I am a student, health guide and writer, but I am not a nurse.



Hat-tip: Ebola subreddit
 

Rippled

Veteran Member
Wow! Eye opener as to what it takes.
CDC director said less protection is sometimes better than more.
Thanks for the post.
Really puts it in perspective.
 

Slatewiper

Membership Revoked
This article is so full of holes it looks like Swiss cheese. And WTF is a health guide? This person is practically admitting they have no clue what their talking about.
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
I can guarantee you this L3 is far more advanced than your average hospital. Practicing? Maybe 1/x year with L1 as OSHA inservice requirement. And that's if you are very conscientious about your checklist and actually DO the exercises.
 

etdeb

Veteran Member
This is the same article I posted at 7:56 Am Good Article. I am in field if someone can delete mine. I could only post the link
 

OddOne

< Yes, I do look like that.
This is the same article I posted at 7:56 Am Good Article. I am in field if someone can delete mine. I could only post the link

I found yours, I'll merge mine into yours since yours is first and mine has the article text...

EDIT: Aaaaaaand merged.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I just posted content from a member PM in the Bomb Shelter that is related: "Direct Nurse Feedback". Worth a read.
 

bluelady

Veteran Member
Excellent article. Dh was trained by military in chemical weapons handling, and it lines up with what he's said about ppe and decon.

She did say that ebola ISN'T airborne, and (I believe mis-) described it as particles traveling when you sneeze or cough, then she says it IS aerosolized by vomit etc. IF ebola is in EVERY body fluid then it would HAVE to be able to be aerosolized through ANY of those fluids. (Even though it may not be truly airborne as in virus cells just wafting out of the body unattached to any fluid droplets.) She also says it would have been easy for the nurses to be contaminated if not using their ppe correctly. Well sure, but especially in light of the whole point of her article, it's MUCH more likely that they were contaminated because of insufficient ppe, training, and practice of that training.

Otherwise a great article. I was telling dh that I think every hcw should read "The Hot Zone". Would sure open eyes to the risks, and to the unfathomable lack of protocol and protection being recommended by those who should know MUCH better.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
When I went to the Army NBC school most of the training was on operating in a Chemical weapon environment and defense against the same. A lessor amount was for the nuclear environment and still less for biological defense. Back then we thought that the greatest threat was the proliferation of chemical weapons and of course the Soviets had a very robust program. Now I wish we had more training on biological weapon defense.

A lot of the training however was what you would also use in a biological environment as well. With chemical agents for some of them even a single drop on exposed skin could kill you swiftly several times over. Same thing with Ebola only it takes longer. Most health care professionals simply have not been taught how to operate in such an environment in using the PPE. Many of them are worried and rightly so. As hot as the OP's equipment is I think the military charcoal lined MOPP suits were even worse. The Russians had it worse of all. back in the cold war many of them were operating in full rubber suits. You can imagine how long they would last in a hot environment.

The O.P. nailed it on how precise both putting on the gear and doffing the gear along with taping all the seams, ect. In the field we would use a slit trench and make a shuffle pit of super tropical bleach mixed with dirt and then copious amounts of decontamination solution on the equipment and personnel before the suits come off. And you make a mistake with taking off the suits and it can be fatal.

The medical community as a whole simply isn't trained in the level they need to be to effectively deal with this agent and indeed for most of them it will be impossible to do so. We trained for weeks on end with the equipment. How many doctors, nurses, lab techs, ect have the time to do this? Not many I would assume. And the training for the scientists and lab workers that work in the BSL-IV enclosures have training I'm sure that went well beyond ours. Despite the lies of the CDC this is not an agent that everyone can deal with by reading a pamphlet, watching a video or an in-service meeting. One mistake can be potentially fatal. This isn't like working with your average aids, hepatitis or TB patient.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
When I went to the Army NBC school most of the training was on operating in a Chemical weapon environment and defense against the same. A lessor amount was for the nuclear environment and still less for biological defense. Back then we thought that the greatest threat was the proliferation of chemical weapons and of course the Soviets had a very robust program. Now I wish we had more training on biological weapon defense.

A lot of the training however was what you would also use in a biological environment as well. With chemical agents for some of them even a single drop on exposed skin could kill you swiftly several times over. Same thing with Ebola only it takes longer. Most health care professionals simply have not been taught how to operate in such an environment in using the PPE. Many of them are worried and rightly so. As hot as the OP's equipment is I think the military charcoal lined MOPP suits were even worse. The Russians had it worse of all. back in the cold war many of them were operating in full rubber suits. You can imagine how long they would last in a hot environment.

The O.P. nailed it on how precise both putting on the gear and doffing the gear along with taping all the seams, ect. In the field we would use a slit trench and make a shuffle pit of super tropical bleach mixed with dirt and then copious amounts of decontamination solution on the equipment and personnel before the suits come off. And you make a mistake with taking off the suits and it can be fatal.

The medical community as a whole simply isn't trained in the level they need to be to effectively deal with this agent and indeed for most of them it will be impossible to do so. We trained for weeks on end with the equipment. How many doctors, nurses, lab techs, ect have the time to do this? Not many I would assume. And the training for the scientists and lab workers that work in the BSL-IV enclosures have training I'm sure that went well beyond ours. Despite the lies of the CDC this is not an agent that everyone can deal with by reading a pamphlet, watching a video or an in-service meeting. One mistake can be potentially fatal. This isn't like working with your average aids, hepatitis or TB patient.

Well stated.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
"I'm a Hazmat-Trained Hospital Worker: Here's What No One Is Telling You About Ebola" (by Abby Norman)

Article Link

We have the technology, and we certainly have the money to keep Ebola at bay. What we don't have is communication. What we don't have is a health care system that values preventative care. What we don't have is an equal playing field between nurses and physicians and allied health professionals and patients. What we don't have is a culture of health where we work symbiotically with one another and with the technology that was created specifically to bridge communication gaps, but has in so many ways failed. What we don't have is the social culture of transparency, what we don't have is a stopgap against mounting hysteria and hypochondria, what we don't have is nation of health literate individuals. We don't even have health-literate professionals. Most doctors are specialists and are well versed only in their field. Ask your orthopedist a general question about your health -- see if they can comfortably answer it.


Note: In response to some comments, I would like to clarify that I am FEMA-trained in level 3 hazmat in a hospital setting. I am a student, health guide and writer, but I am not a nurse.



Hat-tip: Ebola subreddit


Bolded part says it all.

And when our HCWs and Health Care system goes down, THIS country will be EXACTLY like Sierra Leaone and Liberia.


Which, of course, is what Obola wants.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
I was involved in what was called NBC at the time in the 1970s, Nuclear, Biological and Chemical, when I was an army medic.

We are talking about several levels here in my opinion. The first level is the context of a level four pathogen that requires specific techniques, training and equipment.

The first thing you need is the EQUIPMENT.

The second thing you need is the TRAINING.

The best way I can explain this is to have everybody remember all the troops parachuting movies they have seen. There is a precise, detailed and systematic technique every single soldier goes through before they jump. They check straps; they check the rigging, detail by detail, and item by item.

The protocol for deploying anybody in a Hazmat suit is the same. It requires another person to check, in great detail, every single seal, strap,etc. EVERY SINGLE ONE. If there is ONE defect it will potentially mean death.

I have personally suited up in both the type of Hazmat suit needed to spray Parathion on Cherry trees when I was a commercial orchardist. We are talking FULL BODY Rubber suit, ELBOW LENGTH RUBBER GLOVES, KNEE LENGTH RUBBER BOOTS AND FULL RESPIRATOR, RUBBER HAT, GOGGLES. This is what you have to have or you will die. Parathion is a contact poison, I think it is related to Sarin Nerve gas, and will kill you if you get ONE DROP on your skin. All of the above was a lower level of protection you need for Ebola, again a level four pathogen.

I also suited up, using the 1973 version of the US Army Hazmat suit, as part of a tank decontamination crew. Well, this is also a tedious, time consuming and very detailed oriented process. Decontaminating people is even more complex and time consuming.

Decontamination is not just spraying somebody, or something, with a stream of water or cleaner. You have to very carefully, and completely spray every single surface.

The CDC clearly doesn't understand the practical implications of mass decontamination techniques, or the scale of people and equipment involved. I think they may need a platoon of people to begin to clean up that hospital. The time, cost and resources needed would be significant. It would require military units since they are the only ones who have the training and equipment needed for mass decontamination.

Yep, we are not prepared for Ebola. Just thought I would let you know the kind of training, equipment and techniques involved in military decontamination, ie Ebola, are on another level from spraying some bleach on a seat.
 

Lee2

Senior Member
Since we have the CDC, experts in the field of lethal diseases and how to cope with them, why did a hospital in Dallas have to take over the handling of such a contagious patient as Duncan?? Why didn't they step in and make SURE that protocols were followed??

The article may be good in what it describes about how important proper PPE is but the reason why it all failed in Dallas was -- The CDC! and their track record since as been just as abysmal. Just my 2cents.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
They made sure their PUBLISHED protocols were followed.

Problem was, those were BSL 2 protocols for a BSL 4 pathogen.
 

Zulu Cowboy

Keep It Real...
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge..." (Hosea 4:6)

Same principle...different scenario.

There IS such a thing, as too much of a good thing. Especially when it comes to Personal Protective Equipment, (PPE). When you suit up and go into an isolation room, you are in almost as much danger from heat exhaustion, loss of peripheral vision, the added stress/panic that comes with working in a hot, sweaty PAPR, loss of manual dexterity, from too many pairs of gloves...(some use triple gloves, that are then duct taped to the suit...), as you are from the actual pathogen. The reason is this...if your PPE becomes contaminated with diarrhea, blood or vomit, you still have to safely remove all those extra layers of protection without making a single mistake. Not one... The more you put on? The more you have to take off. I tell you, it ain't easy.

The trick is to find the right balance between protecting yourself, and being able to function comfortably...while retaining your wits. What good does it do me, if I'm swaddled from head to toe in butyl rubber...if I can't do my job taking care of that patient, or if I end up having a heart attack from the stress and over heating? :shr:

Yes, Ebola is deadly. It's also easy to prevent yourself from becoming infected. You just can't let infected body fluids come into contact with any open cuts, pimples or abrasions in your skin. And you can't let it contact any mucous membranes like the eyes, nose or mouth. In that sense...it's totally unforgiving. You simply can't make any mistakes...not even one. But this isn't plutonium we're dealing with here, folks. It's not even VX nerve agent, where a single drop on the skin will kill you in minutes. It's a virus. The CDC isn't lying, when they say that Ebola is spread through contact with infected bodily fluids. It enters your system through broken skin and mucous membranes. That's a given, unless it mutates into an airborne pathogen. The problem lies in the fact, that their current protocols for contact isolation, simply don't take into account the fact that healthcare workers may be walking in puddles of explosive diarrhea and projectile vomiting. The old guidance of telling nurses to wear disposable protective booties over their street shoes is flawed! They should be provided with a waterproof alternative. Either rubber boots or rubber overshoes. These can be decontaminated and removed safely. The booties allow liquids to splash up onto your footwear. And when you get home after 12 hours on your feet...all you can think about is getting those damn shoes off. Then you forget to wash your hands...and you inadvertently rub your eye, pick your nose, light up a Marlboro, and go make yourself a sandwich. And BAM...you're infected!

Those two nurses in Dallas, took that shit home with them, on their shoes...(literally).

The CDC is in the process of revising their guidance on contact isolation PPE, due to this Ebola outbreak. (LINK) They are supposed to release it shortly. Let's hope they start advising health care workers to start wearing rubber boots this time? The West Africans are...and so should we. Otherwise, this juice ain't worth the squeeze.

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Zulu Cowboy

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MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
One thing I'll add that's from my own experience...
I worked for years in the environmental lab field, and took HAZWOPR with a couple of refreshers. At one point I had to put on a level B suit (just below the one in the OP picture, a level A, the highest) and play frisbee for a whole tank of compressed air. It was annoying, but not unbearable. Methinks the author overstates the heat stress for a person wearing one briefly inside air-conditioning (and shade) and not laboring that hard.
 

bassgirl

Veteran Member
They made sure their PUBLISHED protocols were followed.

Problem was, those were BSL 2 protocols for a BSL 4 pathogen.

This ^^

And the hospitals, with the exception of the four in the US set up for lvl 4 pathogens, are not equipped or trained for such intensity. Maybe one or two ER nurses have HAZMAT training in a few hospitals. But no way in a majority of them.
 

ChicagoMan74

ULTRA MAGA
Thanks for this info...I can know ask some very specific questions to some of the HCW's I know that work in area hospitals.
 
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