How to survive a Flu Pandemic
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I know from experience that 1 bottle is not enough for 3... so 1 bottle per person might be reasonable....
Indiansummer
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There is another thread that tells you how much you will need to keep your immune defense high, if you are well, and how inadequate one bottle will be if you get sick. I'll do a search for it.
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Read this thread. Very good, and very helpful information about elderberry sambucol, the benifits, testing, and possible down sides though purely speculative, makes a lot of sense.
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=169173&highlight=Sambucol
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=169173&highlight=Sambucol
I bought five of the large bottles for the two of us. Since I think I'm coming down with a cold, I'm giving it a try. So far all I'm sure of is that it tastes bad and doesn't help within two hours. 
There are so many things one should know to prep for a pandemic. I think there should be 2-3 months (minimum) of food and water on hand, especially foods that need little or no preparation (open that can of Spam, etc.). You'll want foods that sick people can or will consume - chicken soup in a can, bullion cubes, jello, etc. Water storage for that length of time is more problematic. You'd want three months worth of any prescription meds that you take on a regular basis and a good supply of OTC meds such as Imodium, Tylenol, aspirin, any OTC meds you take for indigestion or heartburn. You want vitamins and any herbal supplements that should be of benefit. The list is long.
I think one should get hold of Tamiflu, if possible, and if not, the old-line drugs amantadine or ramantadine, which may or may not help. That would have a lot to do with what strain of H5N1 gets this far. It would be good to have antibiotics on hand in case of post-flu complications, as well as prescription meds for nausea and cough.
I would recommend a daily reading of curevents.com, recombinomics, and Agonist, at the very least.
If you're going to take this seriously, you also need masks (N95 or N100 rated), gloves (latex and some non-latex in case you develop an allergy), goggles for eye protection.
The best chance of surviving H5N1 will be not to be infected, which means self-quarantine to the max. Once it hits this continent, nobody in and nobody out of this house - that's what self-quarantine means. For smokers and drinkers - this isn't going to be the time to quit, so stock up. Stock up on Pinot Noir wine because of its resveratrol content, which hopefully has anti-viral activity. Anything you think you might want for three months - pet food if you have pets, medicine or flea treatments for them if needed - you need to get it ahead of time. And, from what I'm seeing today, the time is now - unless you've already done it.
Anybody need more of a list about what to do, or what to have - it's all on curevents.com, either in the Flu Clinic or the Prep room.
Nobody knows if the infrastructure would stay up and running, so the safest thing is not to plan on the lights working, or the computer, or the furnace. If you thought you were going to expose your family to something like H5N1, would you be going to work to keep the lights on?
We don't even know if enough people with proper training to keep the lights on would be well enough to go to work, even if they are willing. There's a lot to think about.
There are so many things one should know to prep for a pandemic. I think there should be 2-3 months (minimum) of food and water on hand, especially foods that need little or no preparation (open that can of Spam, etc.). You'll want foods that sick people can or will consume - chicken soup in a can, bullion cubes, jello, etc. Water storage for that length of time is more problematic. You'd want three months worth of any prescription meds that you take on a regular basis and a good supply of OTC meds such as Imodium, Tylenol, aspirin, any OTC meds you take for indigestion or heartburn. You want vitamins and any herbal supplements that should be of benefit. The list is long.
I think one should get hold of Tamiflu, if possible, and if not, the old-line drugs amantadine or ramantadine, which may or may not help. That would have a lot to do with what strain of H5N1 gets this far. It would be good to have antibiotics on hand in case of post-flu complications, as well as prescription meds for nausea and cough.
I would recommend a daily reading of curevents.com, recombinomics, and Agonist, at the very least.
If you're going to take this seriously, you also need masks (N95 or N100 rated), gloves (latex and some non-latex in case you develop an allergy), goggles for eye protection.
The best chance of surviving H5N1 will be not to be infected, which means self-quarantine to the max. Once it hits this continent, nobody in and nobody out of this house - that's what self-quarantine means. For smokers and drinkers - this isn't going to be the time to quit, so stock up. Stock up on Pinot Noir wine because of its resveratrol content, which hopefully has anti-viral activity. Anything you think you might want for three months - pet food if you have pets, medicine or flea treatments for them if needed - you need to get it ahead of time. And, from what I'm seeing today, the time is now - unless you've already done it.
Anybody need more of a list about what to do, or what to have - it's all on curevents.com, either in the Flu Clinic or the Prep room.
Nobody knows if the infrastructure would stay up and running, so the safest thing is not to plan on the lights working, or the computer, or the furnace. If you thought you were going to expose your family to something like H5N1, would you be going to work to keep the lights on?
We don't even know if enough people with proper training to keep the lights on would be well enough to go to work, even if they are willing. There's a lot to think about.
Thank you!
I saw a post from Summerthyme that said the following(I hope it's ok to quote her on a different thread)
"Anyway.... my choice, taking into account the common good as well as survival for myself and my family, is this: We won't use elderberry at all (absent Avian Influenza on this continent) unless one of us actually develops flu symptoms. That's how we've always used it... at the first sign of severe headache, muscle aches, that "coming down with something" feeling... we take a tablespoon (1/2 ounce) of elderberry extract about 4 times a day. If someone actually develops clinical flu... high fever, sick in bed, we up that to 1/2 ounce every 4 hours."
so according to this 1 bottle would last 3 days at the most. which would mean 1 bottle/person. I am wondering if kids would get 1/2 that dose? Summerthyme if you read this..how would the dose differ with kids? I have 7 kids and my husband and I. I just wish I knew whether or not to spend the money for a bunch. We don't have alot of extra cash but I might be able to buy 2bottles a paycheck. We just spent the Spring and summer with a Coxsackie virus that went through all 9 of us and lasted about one to three weeks each and then had a reprieve before we all got it again! wonder if elderberry woulda helped that?
Lisa
I saw a post from Summerthyme that said the following(I hope it's ok to quote her on a different thread)
"Anyway.... my choice, taking into account the common good as well as survival for myself and my family, is this: We won't use elderberry at all (absent Avian Influenza on this continent) unless one of us actually develops flu symptoms. That's how we've always used it... at the first sign of severe headache, muscle aches, that "coming down with something" feeling... we take a tablespoon (1/2 ounce) of elderberry extract about 4 times a day. If someone actually develops clinical flu... high fever, sick in bed, we up that to 1/2 ounce every 4 hours."
so according to this 1 bottle would last 3 days at the most. which would mean 1 bottle/person. I am wondering if kids would get 1/2 that dose? Summerthyme if you read this..how would the dose differ with kids? I have 7 kids and my husband and I. I just wish I knew whether or not to spend the money for a bunch. We don't have alot of extra cash but I might be able to buy 2bottles a paycheck. We just spent the Spring and summer with a Coxsackie virus that went through all 9 of us and lasted about one to three weeks each and then had a reprieve before we all got it again! wonder if elderberry woulda helped that?
Lisa
Indiansummer
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LSV, very good questions, and if Summertyme doesn't see this post, you could PM her. Good luck to you and your family this season, and I pray that this doesn't become our reality so soon.
BV141
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Per the Sambucol thread, I have used heavy doses of olive leaf extract
(and graviola) to stop illness at the first signs of infection.
ordering more Sambucol tomorrow (3 bottles) + 500 ppm collodial silver.
If i get ill this winter, I am going to throw everything at it
(mostly because it goes straight to my lungs.).
next door neighbors are returning (happily) to mainland China tomorrow
for several more weeks.
I shudder in fear!
bv
(and graviola) to stop illness at the first signs of infection.
ordering more Sambucol tomorrow (3 bottles) + 500 ppm collodial silver.
If i get ill this winter, I am going to throw everything at it
(mostly because it goes straight to my lungs.).
next door neighbors are returning (happily) to mainland China tomorrow
for several more weeks.
I shudder in fear!
bv
Indiansummer
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I just bought 4 big bottles of the extract, along with esther c with biflavinoids, and some super strength immunity formula, as well as some vit c and zinc lozenges. The c and zinc has worked wonders for colds in the past.
I forgot to order the colloidial silver darn! I saw the olive leaf extract and wondered about it. Glad you posted Bv141, now, should I spend more, or should I wait a week or two? Hmmm.
I wanted to add this. I just read somewhere about a certain wine which contains some kind of immune enhancing property, excuse me and my fibro fogged brain again, I can't recall what it was called. Anyway, medical professionals had named the property they suspected was responsible for the benificial reaction.
So, I'm wondering if any of you have any ideas about storing these types of liquids, and their medicinal benifits. I also remember reading about wine given in teaspoonfuls to very ill patients, to ill to eat, as a tonic if you will. I am considering these above mentioned remedies, with expecting to be the nurse of the house, should anyone become ill, and especially if keeping things down becomes seriously dehydrating, or interferes with recovery, as opposed to imbibing against my better sobriety.
I forgot to order the colloidial silver darn! I saw the olive leaf extract and wondered about it. Glad you posted Bv141, now, should I spend more, or should I wait a week or two? Hmmm.
I wanted to add this. I just read somewhere about a certain wine which contains some kind of immune enhancing property, excuse me and my fibro fogged brain again, I can't recall what it was called. Anyway, medical professionals had named the property they suspected was responsible for the benificial reaction.
So, I'm wondering if any of you have any ideas about storing these types of liquids, and their medicinal benifits. I also remember reading about wine given in teaspoonfuls to very ill patients, to ill to eat, as a tonic if you will. I am considering these above mentioned remedies, with expecting to be the nurse of the house, should anyone become ill, and especially if keeping things down becomes seriously dehydrating, or interferes with recovery, as opposed to imbibing against my better sobriety.
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Brooks said:
Thanks Brooks!
Fartin dust here! Well, at least I remembered reading it!Claudia said:
Edited to Add: http://www.antiaging-health.org/862_5.htm
Indiansummer - about the wine - resveratrol develops in grapes, mostly in the skin, used to make Pinot Noir wine.
The highest resveratrol levels thus far are in the 2004 Willamette Valley Vineyards Whole Cluster wine, with a vineyard quoted level of 71 (anything above 10 micromolar is "extraordinary"). Willamette Valley Vineyards also has their vintage 2001 and 2002 Pinot Noir with high resveratrol levels, though not as high - printed right on the bottle, 10.96 in one, and 11 micromolar in the other. The resveratrol develops in response to climatic conditions, especially fog, which is why you find some of the best Pinot Noir for this purpose in the Willamette Valley in Oregon. There is a Dr. Frank's vineyards in the Finger Lakes Region, NY, which is also supposed to be high in levels, but the vineyard could not quote any numbers when we called them. Resveratrol does begin to do a quick fade once the bottle is open. We bought a gadget that sucks the air back out of the bottle after opening and corks it tight - it may not be as high a level by the next day, but I'm pretty sure this helps.
The cheapest good one I've found is sold by wine.com, made by Parducci (they also grow in California, so you have to be careful - it's the Oregon one you want) - we got some at $8.99 a bottle with a 25% case discount from 10% on the case and an additional 15% off with a coupon code (code was PLATINUM typed into the code box on the website, don't know if it's still valid). This wine normally sells in the $15 range, so it's a pretty good deal, and not a bad wine. Do not know the resveratrol level and it is not on the bottle - I just know it was grown in the Willamette Valley. I figured on mixing bottles of it in with the "good" stuff - a bottle of good stuff here and there, and a bottle of Parducci the next day or two. I wouldn't plan on storing more than a day. Hope this helps.
The highest resveratrol levels thus far are in the 2004 Willamette Valley Vineyards Whole Cluster wine, with a vineyard quoted level of 71 (anything above 10 micromolar is "extraordinary"). Willamette Valley Vineyards also has their vintage 2001 and 2002 Pinot Noir with high resveratrol levels, though not as high - printed right on the bottle, 10.96 in one, and 11 micromolar in the other. The resveratrol develops in response to climatic conditions, especially fog, which is why you find some of the best Pinot Noir for this purpose in the Willamette Valley in Oregon. There is a Dr. Frank's vineyards in the Finger Lakes Region, NY, which is also supposed to be high in levels, but the vineyard could not quote any numbers when we called them. Resveratrol does begin to do a quick fade once the bottle is open. We bought a gadget that sucks the air back out of the bottle after opening and corks it tight - it may not be as high a level by the next day, but I'm pretty sure this helps.
The cheapest good one I've found is sold by wine.com, made by Parducci (they also grow in California, so you have to be careful - it's the Oregon one you want) - we got some at $8.99 a bottle with a 25% case discount from 10% on the case and an additional 15% off with a coupon code (code was PLATINUM typed into the code box on the website, don't know if it's still valid). This wine normally sells in the $15 range, so it's a pretty good deal, and not a bad wine. Do not know the resveratrol level and it is not on the bottle - I just know it was grown in the Willamette Valley. I figured on mixing bottles of it in with the "good" stuff - a bottle of good stuff here and there, and a bottle of Parducci the next day or two. I wouldn't plan on storing more than a day. Hope this helps.
Time to begin emulating the TV character "Monk".
Avoidance of all the usual (& obvious) infection suspects - and always, always carry & use those jellied alcohol hand cleaners after coming in contact with the wrong kind of 'nature'. Have noticed some store cashiers using it after handling money.
Consider using Elderberry extracts - Sambucol is readily available - it's claimed to minimize viral caused sickness episodes. Cheap enough. Be careful if you're making your own stuff - some Elderberry plant parts can be toxic at times.
Avoidance of all the usual (& obvious) infection suspects - and always, always carry & use those jellied alcohol hand cleaners after coming in contact with the wrong kind of 'nature'. Have noticed some store cashiers using it after handling money.
Consider using Elderberry extracts - Sambucol is readily available - it's claimed to minimize viral caused sickness episodes. Cheap enough. Be careful if you're making your own stuff - some Elderberry plant parts can be toxic at times.