HEALTH Homeopathy... it *shouldnt* work, so explain this!

[summerthyme]

So, how does the placebo effect work on a dog? (And if you read my posts above, you'll note that hubby saw the improvement when I treated her for her false pregnancy symptoms... but he didn't even know she had been treated!)

Even so... if it is placebo effect, we should be doing more of whatever causes placebo effect! No danger, no side effects... just a cure! Amazing!

I think there is something of an "energy" effect. Einstein posited that energy and matter are interchangeable. We humans don't really understand nearly as much as we think we do!

Summerthyme

 

[Dozdoats]

We humans don't really understand nearly as much as we think we do!

You are a threat to hubris everywhere!

 

[MinnesotaSmith]

So, how does the placebo effect work on a dog? (And if you read my posts above, you'll note that hubby saw the improvement when I treated her for her false pregnancy symptoms... but he didn't even know she had been treated!)

Even so... if it is placebo effect, we should be doing more of whatever causes placebo effect! No danger, no side effects... just a cure! Amazing!

I think there is something of an "energy" effect. Einstein posited that energy and matter are interchangeable. We humans don't really understand nearly as much as we think we do!

Summerthyme

I said spontaneous remission, not placebo effect. The former requires no awareness of apparent treatment, or even being sentient, just random chance.

Several apt Babylon Bee pieces on this sort of thing:

Joe Biden Promises To Cure Cancer As Though Essential Oils Don't Already Exist

OTTUMWA, IA - Presidential candidate Joe Biden promised to cure cancer if he is elected president, a strange claim since essential oils already exist and have been shown to cure cancer by studies performed by obscure mom blogs across the internet.'I promise to cure cancer if I'm elected,' he...

babylonbee.com

Millions Of Women Outraged As Essential Oils Businesses Deemed Non-Essential

LAVENDER FALLS, IA - Women everywhere say they're very angry as their oil businesses, which are clearly labeled essential, are nonetheless being called non-essential.The women say they are organizing protests -- where they will stand six feet apart, of course -- and letter-writing campaigns...

babylonbee.com

Essential Oils Plummet To $2.7 Million A Barrel

WORLD - Essential oil prices have taken a huge hit, their biggest loss in years. After a tumultuous market performance over the week, the oil finally settled at its lowest price in history: $2.7 million a barrel.Women will usually pay something like $50 for a few tiny bottles of the stuff for...

babylonbee.com

 

[summerthyme]

I wasn't replying to you.

Summerthyme

 

[fish hook]

Yeah, elderberry and other herbs are often confused with homeopathy but aren't remotely the same.

As far as spontaneous remission... funny how it didn't happen her first 7 false pregnancies (all of which included concrete signs like milk production, and all of which lasted 4-7 weeks), but has occurred within 72 hours of giving her pulsatilla 5 times in a row.

I always thought one of the prime requirements to be a scientist was to have an open mind?

Summerthyme

I sure that idea catches on.

 

[jschlaty]

Homeopathy works on a frequency basis. All things give off frequencies. Samuel Hannehman (sp) discovered in the mid 1800's that "like cures like". If your exhibiting symptoms a,b,c and you give a substance a,b,c in its energy ( frequency) form the 2 will cancel each other out and clear the symptoms. An example is a opera singer hitting a note that has the same frequency as crystal and shattering the glass.

This is a very, very simplified version of homeopathy. My three kids ages 20, 18 and 11 have never been to a doctor (except for sports physicals) and have never had antibiotics. I have kept us healthy through using homeopathy 95% of the time and essential oil's and other natural medicine the other 5% of the time. I've seen homeopathy work on animals, babies, kids and adults. This is not a placebo effect this is an actual remedy working at a cellular level energetically based on frequencies ( quantum physics). To truly understand homeopathy and how the various potency's and individual substances work takes a lot of studying and time.

As side note, up until the early 1900s most of the main colleges in the country, including University of Michigan, were homeopathic colleges. It wasn't until the early 1900s and the Rockefeller pharmaceutical industry came in that changed all the colleges to allopathic medicine, what we use today.

 

[Ractivist]

We are taught so little of what is real. Lets face it, our ”science” has been jacked.

Rockefeller made sure of that at the turn of the century. Interesting history to the birth of big pharma.

 

[Raggedyman]

I was under the impression that we had a homeopathic practitioner - maybe it was a naturopath - on the board . . .

 

[adgal]

and my gut DID suggest it.

So often we rule out our intuitive thoughts - ones that we ought to be trusting. I'm so glad you listened to your "Gut." Years ago, we took in a stray dog - she liked me - hated pretty much everyone else. But, she got out of the yard and was gone for over a week. We searched everywhere, but we are surrounded by farms and woods for miles on either side. She finally limped back and her paw was slashed in half - like she'd been caught in a bear-trap (or a coyote trap). We didn't have the money to bring her to the vet - so I bathed the wound in comfrey and put calendula sale on it several times a day and wrapped it up. In a week, there was pink flesh on her pads - like a puppy's skin - within a month you would have never known she had been hurt. How did I know what to use - I have no idea - it was like a memory of something - but I knew it wasn't a memory. I think today - in these crazy times - we need to listen to those kinds of memories - your gut feelings - your intuitions - or personal revelation.

 

[kyrsyan]

I don't know why it works. I'm like you. I can't believe it works. But so far everything I try works. It shouldn't. Those pills are 99.995% sugar. But they work.

 

[moldy]

I am a certified herbalist and flower essence practitioner. Sorry didn't mean to underline that...I'm on my phone. There might be a naturopath onboard also. Who cares if it's a placebo effect if it works? Herbs have constituents that have been proven to work, like the sambucin in elderberry. Homeopathic remedies and flower essences are a little more obscure. Give them a try or don't.

 

[Michiana MaJo]

Interesting thread. Coincidentally, I am using a bruise remedy item I just found at Rite Aid Pharmacy...it is homeopathic and is called PROcure (bruise remedy). It actually works!
We seniors sometimes find bruises on our arms, and there is no history of banging into anything. I used to be a nurse at a nursing home, and when a patient would get one, we would always be concerned that a family member might assume mistreatment, when it really is something that just normally occurs in the elderly.

Another item I really like and use, often, is called Cold Bee Gone. It is to stop a runny nose....whether from a cold, or just a drippy nose like I sometimes get minus a cold. (Sometimes at mealtime, my nose starts running....dunno why....just started to do that. My late husband complained of that, also, during his last year.)

You just dab a tiny bit on the end of a cotton swab and gently swab the inside of the nostril. It stops the drips in a very short time! I have given several of the tiny boxes of Cold Bee Gone to friends, I love the product! I was getting it at the local health food store, but they don't seem to be able to stock it, now (maybe because of CoVid), so I bought my last box thru Amazon.

Another homeopathic item I used is: Oscillococcinum...it is used for flu symptoms....should be taken at the first sign of flu. A very long time ago, I happened to have a box on hand when I came down with the flu, working with the sick patients at a nursing home. I started taking this product right away and could hardly believe how fast I recovered from the flu. I have not gotten the flu, again, since that time, but I keep Oscilloccinum on hand if I ever get the bug, again! Got it at the health food store.

I know that Big Pharma is very opposed to homeopathic products, so I wonder where you folks obtain items you buy?




I notice at the local healthfood store, they have quite an assortment.

 

[Raggedyman]

I know that Big Pharma is very opposed to homeopathic products

that right there speaks volumes - quite literally SHOUTS - "try this first" . . .

 

[Scarletbreasted]

I know that several of the British Royal family are staunch followers of homeopathic medicine - For example the Queen NEVER travels without her "family" medical kit (She is 94 and her Hubby the Duke is 99!)
sb

 

[school marm]

nevermind

 

[mom2many]

I am allergic to bee sting and never go without a bottle of Apis Mellifica.

 

[Meadowlark]

works better with beads and rattles. Ok some herbals actually do work. Berberine actually lowers your blood sugar. I swear by the stuff.

 

[kytom]

Placebo effect. If homeopathy was a real thing, they'd let you pay for their tinctures with glasses of water that you briefly dipped a penny in. It's containing the essence of water!

she's using it on a dog!

 

[ainitfunny]

Placebo effect. If homeopathy was a real thing, they'd let you pay for their tinctures with glasses of water that you briefly dipped a penny in. It's containing the essence of water!

Now why in the world would you CARE if it was the "placebo effect" or some other not understood method that solved your problem?? IF IT "TRIGGERS" THE PLACEBO EFFECT, That is good enough for me!]
As long as it relieves the problem, who CARES how it did it??
That is how I finally had to look at it some twenty or thirty years ago when my sleep was so disturbed with leg twitches that sometimes got so strong they woke me after I finally got to sleep! My friends told me to take a homeopathic "nerve tonic" that was nothing but 99.9% powdered sugar. I said I dont believe in that nonsense and they insisted that what did I have to lose, even if I don't believe in it, it will work they said. I took a couple just to prove them wrong and by golly I didn't "twitch" that night!

I bought a bottle of Hylands nerve tonic and used it a few times a year when the twitches came back, but I havent had to use it in over twenty years because they finally quit coming back. I still don't know how it works or even possibly could work, it seems like a snake oil nonsense to me, but I finally said "so what?" As long as it works, I don't care how it did it, even if it was a placebo effect that it triggered, I DON'T CARE, because it fixed it.