Homemade Face Masks?

2Trish

Veteran Member
Hi,

Does anyone have any suggestions for creating your own facemasks? If/when the bird flu hits there's a good chance a lot of folks will not be prepped. Could one be made out of any household materials, like a clean furnace filter? Maybe soaked in something to give it a boost.

2Trish
 

tangent

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Viruses are very small, like in the micron range, so I don't know how much of this will be of use, but here's a brain dump on expedient masks:

there is a TR on the ORNL site about the effectiveness of expedient masks, I believe that addressed the cloth type.

genaric cloth type is a bandana or similar, to be effective it is suggested that it be douced in water, or if against tear gas vinager. for protection against viruses, I would suggest silk with a high thread count, or anything with a high thread count - try expensive sheets and pillow cases.

another type uses several layers of cloth with overlayed long pockets - the pockets are filled with activated charcoal, or just charcoal if you don't have the activated kind.

a third type is made from duct tape, a roll of TP and a funnel. kind of the style of an Isralli gas mask. the holes for the roll are plugged, and the funnel attached to one end - ideally cut down on the spout to allow greater air flow. the roll is wrapped w/ duct tape and a mask to form the face portion is also made w/ duct tape. use cheap sunglasses or something for the eyes.

wouldn't it be easier to just stockpile a few N95 masks? they are at most 75 cents each...

-t
 

tangent

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> If you go to Amazon , they seem to have all different kinds of the N95 mask.

> Which is the kind we need?

N95 refers to how fine the filter is - in this case rated to keep out bacteria and viruses.

I would go w/ a type designed for medicine vs dust, as the seal will be better.

ie: the "physician" masks.

-t
 

MorningSunn

Rhea the Rogue
Hansa44 said:
If you go to Amazon , they seem to have all different kinds of the N95 mask.

Which is the kind we need?

If you are thinking of getting them for the bird flu virus they may not work ... the virus particles are thought to be too small in some studies and could get through ... CDC say Disposable particulate respirators (e.g., N-95, N-99, or N-100) are the minimum level of respiratory protection that should be worn ... you may want to consider Nano Masks instead ...

Bird Flu Masks (NanoMasks) have been purchased by the US Department of Defense for military soldiers, and the NanoMask filters have been shown to kill the Bird Flu (H5N1) by an independent laboratory. The Nano Mask is the first face mask in the world to utilize nanotechnology enhanced filter media to effectively isolate and destroy viral and bacterial contaminants. Nanoparticles enhance the intrinsic filtration efficiency of the media by acting as a destructive absorbent to kill virus and bacteria that come in contact with the filtration system.

The comfortable two-piece face mask is completely adjustable and reusable. Only the replaceable filter insert is disposable. The mask utilizes adjustable head straps to provide a personalized, secure fit and effective seal against the face.

The unique design and enhanced facial seal allows the NanoMask to overcome the most critical failing of typical N-95 masks. An inability to effectively seal against the face and filter inhaled and exhaled breath that will typically follow the path of least resistance; around the sides of the mask.

The low profile design doesn’t interfere with eyewear. The lower fit on the nose and wide flange assures an outstanding fit. A replaceable nano-particle enhanced filter quickly and easily inserts into the reusable body of the two piece mask. Each filter is individually packaged. Compact and lightweight the Nanomask is extremely portable.​

I would not even think of attempting a homemade one personally.

:rs:
 

tangent

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Interesting - last I heard, the N95 was the best you could do as to fine particle size and filtered everything.

you didn't give a URL: http://birdfluprotection.com/

I am quite scepticle of their claims as they fail to specify up to what size particle it filters out and how large the bird flu virus is. I am more scepticle in that there doesn't seem to be anything more scientific backing them up and that they state "kills bacteria and viruses on contact" (or close to that) via "nanotechnology"...

now if that were true, it would be front page news in Science, Nature and most major medical journals. It isn't.

At $9 a pop, the price isn't too bad, but I'm wondering if I want to risk my life to advertizing hype...

I also note that it looks like it has a hard case, meaning it will fit more poorly to your face than the a soft N95 mask.

General impression is that this is a marketing scam, and I bet each unit comes free of charge with legalease stating that if you die by relying on their product, they are not liable.

I could be wrong, and welcome further imput on the subject.

-t
 

MorningSunn

Rhea the Rogue
tangent said:
Interesting - last I heard, the N95 was the best you could do as to fine particle size and filtered everything.

you didn't give a URL: http://birdfluprotection.com/

I am quite scepticle of their claims as they fail to specify up to what size particle it filters out and how large the bird flu virus is. I am more scepticle in that there doesn't seem to be anything more scientific backing them up and that they state "kills bacteria and viruses on contact" (or close to that) via "nanotechnology"...

now if that were true, it would be front page news in Science, Nature and most major medical journals. It isn't.

At $9 a pop, the price isn't too bad, but I'm wondering if I want to risk my life to advertizing hype...

I also note that it looks like it has a hard case, meaning it will fit more poorly to your face than the a soft N95 mask.

General impression is that this is a marketing scam, and I bet each unit comes free of charge with legalease stating that if you die by relying on their product, they are not liable.

I could be wrong, and welcome further imput on the subject.

-t


That is not the URL just one out of many URL's that you can buy this mask from ... It is not who made or did the research on them ....

Just putting it out there ... feel free to do the research before deciding this is a scam or take your chances with the others ... look at the particle size of the bird flu virus and the different masks and then you decide ... don't care how loose or tight the fit is ... if the masks filtering system is too large the virus will get through ... By the way the research firm that tested these masks (Nelson Laboratories, Salt Lake City) is very reputable and registered under the Food and Drug Administration. There are many other research firms that have tested this mask as well ... including the military.

I am getting both types just to be safe and more of the nano mask.

Loose fitting masks bend and buckle letting in germs ... the Nano Masks do not do this but fit soft yet firm against the face.

Nelson Laboratories


You may also want to check out what they are saying about this system on the Nonpublic boards on Timebomb.

ABC News: Bird Flu Concerns Make Masks Hot Commodity

Nano-Enhanced Filter Media Tests for U.S. Air Force Under the Direction of the U.S. Army RDE Command

ECBC is the nation's principal research and development center for chemical and biological defense. Tracing its roots back to 1917, ECBC leverages more than 85 years of experience with live agent to develop and enhance defense systems.

ECBC seeks opportunities to develop partnerships with industry, academia and state and local governments to continue achieving major technological advances for national defense, civilian protection and industrial competitiveness. Complementing these efforts, the Center offers several unique facilities that provide full life-cycle support to chemical and biological protection, detection and monitoring capabilities.

Emergency Filtration Products Inc.:

There is tons more information out there on these masks ... Including the research results from many labs.

Usually I would give you more info and more sites ... but I am too busy trying to put a wedding together right now ... Plus, I am sure you are capable of doing the research yourself. Start with the Boards ... tons of info on these alone.

:rs:
 

Looped

Contributing Member
How long does, say a N95, mask last? Can it be use for multiple day or does it need to be repled daily? Hourly? Or...?
 

2Trish

Veteran Member
Hi,

Thanks for the replies. I was just looking for suggestions to pass along to those who might get unprepared. Who knows if TSHTF how long the supplies will last.

2Trish

Praying for a quiet day....
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Hold a car wash or a bake sale or whatever and pay the darned $20 for a box full of N-95 masks from your local hardware store.
 

Roxann

Inactive
There is an excellent thread in Bomb Shelter concerning the Nano mask. In the early months of this year, the N95 was mentioned as the minimum protection
needed. Minimum means the least acceptable..I don't understand why people
would use these masks which give the least acceptable amount of protection
when there is a better mask ( the Nano mask) available.

I definitely would not try to mae my own masks.
 

Sassafras

Veteran Member
I also have an interest in 2Trish's original question. I have a box of N95 masks simply because I can't afford to buy the N100s for my family let alone for the DGIs after the fact. It isn't a question of which is the best mask to use, it's a matter of how do you help the DGIs once the threat is here and real. Once the illness strikes your area, there might not even be a supply of masks on the shelves so that can't be considered as an option.

I've talked to relatives until I'm blue, but nothing will persuade them to buy masks. Because of that, early this year I read what I could online about the 1918 pandemic to discover how people survived while nursing those with the flu when these fancy masks weren't available. I only found one reference that applied to what I was researching. I no longer have the link, but I found an interesting site where it is said that women nursing the sick would have a rag in the pocket of their apron while in the sickroom and periodically would hold that rag to their nose to sniff. The rag was said to be douced with eucalyptus and camphor.

I'm not sure of the risks. I'm not saying it will work. I'm not saying it's the best substitute, but at the same time a small bottle of eucalyptus oil and camphor oil are very inexpensive. At that late date trying something would be better than not trying at all and that is the only way I can make an effort for my DGIs in my family. It's easy to tell someone to cough up the money and buy the masks, but I'm sure there are many out there like myself who can only afford to prep for their immediate family and not others. At the same time, it pains me to know that others outside my own home who are dear to me will have no options.
 

tangent

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As to the leaks arround the edges - we're talking about biologicals here - someone coughs, and there is a trajectory of droplets... this isn't a chemical attack where the gas will seep arround masks.

I will look into the nano masks more, as I said, I'm not writing them off, but based on what I'd seen up to that point, wasn't impressed. Any info from labs or mil testing should be better.

As to staying well in a pandemic - quarentene yourself. avoid waiting rooms and to the extent possable, public places. wash your hands often. in public places, doornobs, toilet flushers, grocery buggy handles, water faucet knobs, etc are the most likely for secondary transmission. consider wearing gloves and a mask in public. Give anyone sniffling or who looks sick a wide berth.

If a family member is sick, if possable have them wear a mask and wear a mask yourself. use cold meds (decongestants) to suppress the generation of mucus (trnasmission media) in the sick person. and tend to keep your distance. give them their own plate and silverware and keep it seperate.

even a bandana over your face or a scarf helps.

don't know if it really works, but one manager I knew (worked in a grocery store - high transmission source) swore by taking vitamin C and Zinc every day. He claimed he hadn't had a cold or flu in the 10 years since he started the regime.


-t
 

Salal Sue

Senior Member
How sad!

When I clicked on this thread I was thinking "Homemade HALLOWEEN Masks".

Now back to the real world--- a world fast becoming far more frightening than any Halloween horror movie.
 

tangent

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> I was thinking "Homemade HALLOWEEN Masks"

you can do a lot with paper-mache and ping pong balls...

if you want to get fancy, then plaster aparis and liquid latex - but that gets expensive...

if you coat someones face w/ a thin layer of petrolium jelly, then dip household string in elmers glue and lay it over the face to dry in whatever patterns, then spraypaint... you can get some interesting results. easier on the person - get an appropriately sized display head like for wigs, sunglasses, etc and use that as a base. Lets you use spray adhesives and other means to get the string stiff.

you can do similar things with cloth and build up from there...

You can make a fast face mold with modeling clay then cast the positive with plaster and...


maybe start a different thread?

-t


back to the subject at hand:


Rebuf on nanomasks from:
http://medtech.syrene.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2382

(Author is a Medical Doctor)

Riiight. They test using a bacteriophage (a virus that infects bacteria) that is among the largest of viruses in physical size. Sure, OK. And they have little 'nanites' running around disassembling (you can't really 'kill' a virus) the H5N1 virus.

Plus, all I see is some gobbldegook on their testing, not anything that shows 'Nelson Labs' is putting their reputation (whatever it might be) on the line with a traceable report to actual standards.

Stopping an individual viral particle is very, very difficult, because they are so small. According to the CDC, the particle size is on the order of 2 nanometers in diameter (thats 0.002 microns) and the mask is only claimed to work at...:


Quote:
The VFE test is conducted using Bacteriophage OX174 as the challenge organism. Bacteriophage range in size from 0.025 to 0.027 microns.


So, they tested with particles at about 12-13x the size of the H5N1 virus? Kewl....

They claim to have 'sold' to the DoD for use by 'American Soldiers'. What they actually seem to have done is get some money from the DoD for:

Quote:
The tests were funded by a Prototype Develepment /Testing / Evaluation Grant by the Center for Commercialization of Advanced Technology awarded in September 2004. The testing was performed against specific pathogens which necessitated the use of Nelson Laboratories in order to validate results.


Hmm, a funded prototype. Our tax dollars at work.

And how well did they actually do? As far as viruses, hard to say. For bacteria, though, not too well:

Quote:
Test materials included untreated samples and samples treated with reactive nanoparticles placed on the filter surface. After twenty-four hours, the untreated test samples showed a 6507% increase in bacterial CFU (colony forming units), while samples treated with minimum of nanoparticles showed a 21.68% reduction of bacterial CFU. This preliminary testing clearly shows pathogens filtered from airflow continue to ‘live’ and reproduce on the filter, resulting in an increase of the associated risk factors. The testing also indicates that nanoparticles are effective in eradicating pathogens on the surface of the filter media. Subsequent testing of various nanoparticles solutions was conducted in conjunction with EFP’s work to develop filter media for the United States Military.


Note: for a bacteria (much larger than a virus) they were able to show a reduction in the absolute number of CFU's (colony forming units, or growth areas on a petri plate) of some 79% of ...something. So, if you might have inhaled 100 Bacillus anthracis without a mask, after 24 hours of breathing through this thing you might have only 21 in your lungs, growing out?

And, if these things are so great, where is their NIOSH approval as any kind of a mask at all (never mind their implications that NIOSH doesn't test well enough, did they pass even those minimal tests)? Their NSN number for government purchases? Their CAGE code for off-the-shelf or contract purchases?

Fortunately, an aerosolized virus hitches rides on droplets of mucous and sputum, and those are relatively easy to stop - an N95 or N100 will work fine. It's what we use in the hospital, too (N95). BTW, N100 masks are life limited (8 hours max), are hard to breath through, and are much more expensive and even less comfortable than N95s.

BTW, all data quoted is from http://birdfluprotection.com/nanomask_testing.htm
 
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