GUNS/RLTD Hodgdon Closes GOEX Blackpowder Plant

Lone_Hawk

Resident Spook
This isn't surprising really. Blackpowder is an explosive and regulations have pretty much caused it to be impossible to sell at the retail level. That and PYRODEX taking over.


Hodgdon Powder Company announced it would cease manufacturing operations at the GOEX blackpowder manufacturing facility in Camp Minden, La., effective immediately. The closure eliminates the only domestic source of blackpowder in the United States. According to a company press release, Hodgdon will evaluate "strategic options for the blackpowder business," including a potential sale of the company.


The Camp Minden facility will wind down operations during the evaluation process. All affected employees will be retained through Dec. 31, 2021, to assist during the closure of the facility and will receive severance commensurate with their years of service. "The Hodgdon Powder Co., Inc has been honored to have been a part of the GOEX Powder legacy and sustains a fond appreciation for sporting customers who have enjoyed shooting GOEX Powders," the release reads.


GOEX Powder has a long, storied history that starts in 1802 with the building of a blackpowder plant on the Brandywine River in Delaware by E.I. Du Pont de Nemours. Production expanded with the building of the Belin plant in Moosic, Penn., in 1912, and the facility supplied military blackpowder during both world wars, as well as the Korean and Vietnam wars. In the 1970s, the Belin plant was incorporated into the GOEX family, and production moved to Minden, La., in 1997. On Jan. 1, 2009, GOEX was purchased by Hodgdon Powder Company, which touted its philosophy of, "We are here today. We were here yesterday. We will be here tomorrow." Hodgdon spent years updating equipment at the Minden facility, enhancing employee safety and blackpowder quality.


Despite Hodgdon's efforts, the GOEX facility at Camp Minden has a history of manufacturing incidents stretching back to 1998, including a June 2011 incident where 1,000 lbs. of blackpowder exploded. The latest incident at GOEX occurred on June 18, 2021, when an explosion required the evacuation of 15 employees inside the facility. Nobody was injured, but the plant observed a 24- to 48-hour waiting period to ensure that nothing else at the facility ignited.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Is there any technical reason to use black powder instead of pyrodex?

There are some imports tho...probably chicom. :rolleyes:
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
Is there any technical reason to use black powder instead of pyrodex?

There are some imports tho...probably chicom. :rolleyes:
I haven't fired my black powder weapons in years, but my recollection of flintlocks needing 4F, I do not recall pyrodex selling any equivalent. Those here on the forum may have an answer to the 4F/flintlock flash pan issue.
 

ssonb

Senior Member
I use Old Enysford 4F but dang it GOEX makes that also. I have used SWISS but itz a mite more spensive. They actually have a 10x.
 

desertvet2

Veteran Member
Lovely, so the states that have black powder hunting are fooked now.

They wont let you use the pellets.
Must use powder and hand load..powder, patch, projectile..in order to hunt with it.

Unless the states change the rules now.

This country is being run off the rails.
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
Lovely, so the states that have black powder hunting are fooked now.

They wont let you use the pellets.
Must use powder and hand load..powder, patch, projectile..in order to hunt with it.

Unless the states change the rules now.

This country is being run off the rails.

They can use pyrodex powder or other substitue and there are still several imported brands of BP.
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Potassium Nitrate, sulfur and some charcoal will get it done. The secrete is in the screening. The finer the screen the better the powder. I can screen down to a 100 mesh. You have to be on a rubber pad when doing this as static electricity can build up. That is why a lot of people into making their own fireworks are called rags, or lefty, or stumpy.
 

Creedmoor

Tempus Fugit
My experience, and only mine, is that BP has less misfires/hangfires and is easier to clean than Pyrodex. Probably have enough BP on hand to last the rest of my life, so I’ll stick with that.
 

BadMedicine

Would *I* Lie???
Thats ok. One of the oldest internet adages still remains true.

All your bases are belong to us.

edited this to say

"Literally. f*cking LITTERALLY."
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
Potassium Nitrate, sulfur and some charcoal will get it done. The secrete is in the screening. The finer the screen the better the powder. I can screen down to a 100 mesh. You have to be on a rubber pad when doing this as static electricity can build up. That is why a lot of people into making their own fireworks are called rags, or lefty, or stumpy.
For most people this is not realistic. Unless you are milling and pressing you are not making anything close to commercial quality BP. The hand mixing doesnt get the ingredients pressed together enough to work well in most smaller cal MLs. Certainly nothing like the commercial stuff avail.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
there are still several imported brands of BP

Up until the US greenback becomes toilet paper outside the U.S. due to inflating away/going weak enough militarily that the petrodollar/USD being convertible internationally is over. Given the $$$$$ the Dims are spending, that looks to be a matter of months IMO.
 

marsofold

Veteran Member
Black powder really isn't all that difficult to make if the powder is properly corned through a screen of the correct sizing. Potassium nitrate can be made from hardwood ashes and soil. Charcoal from willow branches. Sulfur wherever you can get it. When I was 17, I made a 1/2" diameter cannon from seamless pipe that used short bolts covered with nuts as projectiles. It was able to shoot clean through a 30 gallon galvanized garbage can with the garbage inside. The propellant was paper match heads cut off with diagonal cutters. Paper match heads are usable as a last resort.
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
Not that I would ever want to try it....

Mother Earth, long before the "New Age" movement and other "influences" had an article giving step by step instruction on how to make black powder from scratch. I remember it involved crushed charcoal, sulfur, saltpeter and urine.
 
Pyrodex is not usable in a Flintlock because of its higher Flashpoint temperature. The flash of powder in a Flintlock's pan will not produce enough heat and force through a vent hole to reliably ignite Pyrodex.
I have heard of people "stacking" powder loads with a bit of blackpowder going down the bore first, to be ignited with a pan charge, then the remainder of the charge being pyrodex or other propellant on top of that.
Caplocks and the modern 209 primer guns can burn anything.
A reliable Flintlock can use 3F or even 2F in the pan and you won't see much difference in performance, and the courser grains are better 8n high moisture environments than 4 F is.
In the Brown Bess musket days, the gun was primed with a little 2F powder from a paper cartridge before the rest was stuffed down the bore. Always worked fine.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
Is there any technical reason to use black powder instead of pyrodex?

There are some imports tho...probably chicom. :rolleyes:

I can't say pyrodex is any cheeper and the bush family made sure of that pushing the Hasmat crap and shipping fees on the stuff.
I know of a group that was making their own black powder and only because they use a lot of it and sometimes by the pound for cannons.
 
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Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Potassium Nitrate, sulfur and some charcoal will get it done. The secrete is in the screening. The finer the screen the better the powder. I can screen down to a 100 mesh. You have to be on a rubber pad when doing this as static electricity can build up. That is why a lot of people into making their own fireworks are called rags, or lefty, or stumpy.

You can make BP and even flash powder in relative safety, but the yahoo types that try this aren't usually the safety conscious types. The biggest single "secret" that instructions on these sort of things don't usually share is to do it in very small quantities. That's not the only safety consideration by a long shot and I'm not writing a treatise on making BP, but making small quantities limits the explosive hazard. Of course this takes a lot longer and most people don't have the patience for it. Also, BP should always be made wet!

Someone who, for example, is only going to make 60 or 100 grains at a time is immeasurably safer than someone trying to make a pound of it! It might seem ridiculous to make such tiny batches, but it's not if you are going to use it strictly for hunting. A dedicated hunter might spend an entire day or two stalking or sitting in a deer stand only to take one shot. Seen from that perspective, the tiny batches suddenly don't seem so absurd.

BP is a handy product to have around the homestead and even modern firearms can be safely loaded with it. Anyone anticipating future needs might want to put in a stock of it now.

Best
Doc
 

Limner

Deceased
They can use pyrodex powder or other substitue and there are still several imported brands of BP.
Smokeless powder can ruin some BP guns.

There are other companies looking to up their production. BP shooters are a hardy, hard headed bunch. And the smell of BP in the wind is amazing. :). And the "snap POW" of a flint or a percussion long rifle going off is music to their ears!
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yet another technology relegated to the dustbin of history. Sure, there may be overseas makers of the stuff, but with today's crazed communists in power I wonder if import bans of BP are in the future.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Too bad. I hunted deer with a flintlock much to the puzzlement of game wardens who had never seen such a thing. I carefully avoided shooting a deer but I had a lot of fun. Probably have a half pound of 4x left.
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
Lovely, so the states that have black powder hunting are fooked now.
Well, that depends on ones opinion and whether or not they use Pyrodex. I believe Pyrodex is classified as a black powder for hunting purposes, but my opinion has to do with the gun itself. In my opinion a black powder season should be limited to front stuffers where one pours in the measured amount of powder, then chases it with a minie ball or patched ball. Then a cap for the nipple or 4F for the flash pan. I just never cared for these new fangled inline guns with stainless barrels.
 

33dInd

Veteran Member
Is there any technical reason to use black powder instead of pyrodex?

There are some imports tho...probably chicom. :rolleyes:
Yes actually
Antique firearms that were designed for blackpowder cannot safely shoot other powders
A lot of cowboys shooting have to utilize the real stuff As I understand it
 

1911user

Veteran Member
Pyrodex substitutes for black powder on a volume basis. It was designed as a direct substitute without the special storage magazine requirements for black powder (tougher requirements than needed for storing smokeless powder).

Guns designed for black powder are not safe using modern smokeless powder. Pyrodex is not a modern smokeless powder. It is a smoky, sticky mess that rivals black powder for the amount of residue left to be cleaned out of barrels.
 

Trouble

Veteran Member
Just another piece taken away now, 1 piece at a a time. 1 day at a time, until 1 day it's all gone. They are patient and getting more clever.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Cowboy movies trying to look authentic used BP in their blank cartridge.

There haven't been more than half a dozen cowboy movies released in the last 10 years that I can think of. Which is a shame; I remember "The Quick and the Dead" rather fondly.
 
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