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Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It might have in reference to a street pill. She used at times.
Could have been oxycodone or a pressed Fentanyl pill. Sorry the pictures help depict things but I did remove several non relavent ones from the article.


The Fatal “Blues” By Shawn Hayes


In 2021, more than 107,600 people died of drug poisoning or overdose in the United States. Of those deaths, over 71,000 (66%) resulted from synthetic opioids, such as fentanyl.1 By comparison, during the same period, nearly 49,000 were killed by firearms.2 This is not surprising; the opioid crisis has plagued the nation for more than 20 years, claiming over 760,000 lives.3

More recently, the influx of counterfeit pills drives the surge in overdose deaths.4 To this end, if someone said that their friend or family member overdosed from the “Blues,” would you understand what they were referring to? If officers seized a bag of blue pills during an arrest, would they know to use extreme caution when handling it?

Fentanyl​

Fifty times stronger than heroin and 100 times more powerful than morphine, fentanyl is a synthetic opioid first introduced to the medical field over 60 years ago as an intravenous anesthetic. It still has legitimate medical uses for surgeries and as a painkiller for cancer patients.5 However, its clandestine use has become a lethal issue.
Pharmaceutically, fentanyl is available in tablets, sprays, lozenges (commonly known as “lollipops”), injections, and transdermal patches.6 The drug is a white granular or crystalline powder.7 When manufactured illicitly, it can be off-white, light yellow, or even brightly colored in various shapes and sizes — “rainbow fentanyl” was first reported to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) in February 2022 and has been seized in 26 states.8

Sergeant Hayes, an International Association of Chiefs of Police-certified drug recognition expert, serves with the Normandy Park, Washington, Police Department and is a graduate of FBI National Academy Session 283.

Additionally, fentanyl has been chemically modified to create analogs, such as acetyl fentanyl, furanyl fentanyl, and carfentanil. Used as an elephant tranquilizer, carfentanil is approximately 10,000 times more potent than morphine and 100 times more powerful than fentanyl.9
As part of its One Pill Can Kill campaign, the DEA and its law enforcement partners seized more than 10.2 million fentanyl pills and approximately 980 pounds of fentanyl powder between May and September 2022. As little as 2 milligrams of fentanyl can be deadly, so this is equivalent to more than 36 million lethal doses of fentanyl.10
An image of a penny next to powdered fetanyl.

Joseph Pergolizzi et al., “Illicitly Manufactured Fentanyl Entering the United States,” Cureus 13, no. 8 (August 2021), Illicitly Manufactured Fentanyl Entering the United States.​


Fake Pills

Counterfeit pills made to look like prescription oxycodone are surfacing in communities everywhere and have several names on the street, such as “30s,” “40s,” “512s,” “Oxy,” “Beans,” “Hillbilly Heroin,” “Roxy,” and the “Blues.” Likely laced with fentanyl and potentially fatal, they are hard to spot.11

An image of authentic oxycodone and fake oxycodone.

U.S. Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration, “One Pill Can Kill,” accessed October 24, 2022, https://www.dea.gov/onepill.​

Unsurprisingly, criminal organizations (i.e., cartels) are in the drug business to make money, and illegally produced fentanyl can bring them major amounts of it. One kilogram can be purchased from China for approximately $5,000 and converted to products that generate more than $1.5 million in revenue in the United States.12

Cartels use fentanyl because it is cheap to produce, and they can increase the product’s volume by mixing it with other substances, including lactose, mannitol, and sugars — this process is known as “cutting.” Fentanyl is also added to other drugs, such as heroin, cocaine, and methamphetamine to increase product weight and profitability.13
In the last six years, the availability and lethality of fake prescription pills in the United States has increased dramatically.14 In 2021, the DEA seized approximately 20.4 million counterfeit pills and 15,000 pounds of fentanyl.15 Testing of the pills determined 6 out of every 10 contained a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl.
The Sinaloa and Jalisco New Generation (CJNG) Cartels are responsible for most of these pills. Based out of Mexico, they are mass-producing fentanyl and pressing it into fake pills that have flooded into the United States for distribution.16

Case Examples

Across the United States, law enforcement works tirelessly to stop the deadly spread of counterfeit pills. One Boston man attempted to distribute approximately 5,000 fake prescription pills containing fentanyl but was arrested before delivering them.17 In another case, police in Ohio seized counterfeit oxycodone pills that contained carfentanil.18 On a larger scale, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement recently indicted 26 individuals in San Diego and seized nearly half a million fake fentanyl-laced pills.19 Although numerous arrests are made every year, fatalities from fentanyl-laced pills far outweigh this figure.
Social media applications and the dark web make it possible to obtain fake pills easily, providing drug traffickers with a powerful tool to distribute their products.20 Most at risk are young people who think that they are purchasing legitimate prescription pain and/or anxiety pills through social media or friends, giving them a false sense of security.21 Reports indicate that in a two-year span, deaths from fentanyl more than tripled, and about 90% of the pills bought from a social media dealer contained fentanyl.22

“In the last six years, the availability and lethality of fake prescription pills in the United States has increased dramatically.”​

Law Enforcement Concern

Clearly, counterfeit pills are finding their way into nearly every community, and it is not just users who are at risk. Generally, officers are the first on scene to overdose calls, and encountering the pills can be hazardous for them and their K-9 partners.
A simple and effective solution to ensure officer safety — a practice that many police departments across the nation have adopted — is for officers to carry naloxone, also known by several brand names. The medicine rapidly reverses an opioid overdose and is frequently administered by officers as a nasal spray. Although naloxone can quickly restore normal breathing to someone whose respiration has slowed or stopped because of an opioid overdose, a single dose may not be effective.23 Because fentanyl is stronger than and appears to differ from other opioids due to its rapid onset, multiple, sequential doses of naloxone at higher concentrations may be required in some fentanyl overdoses.24

Conclusion​

COVID-19 claimed over 1 million lives and is finally releasing its grip on the nation.25 However, the opioid crisis continues, killing one person every five minutes.26 Criminal organizations like the Sinaloa and Jalisco New Generation Cartels are not making it any easier — test results show an increasing number of drugs sold by these groups are counterfeit and laced with lethal amounts of fentanyl. Social media is powerful, and unsuspecting individuals have easy access to fake pills. Therefore, recognizing them and ensuring the safety of first responders who encounter them is critical.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
D5W is a 5% concentration of dextrose in water.
D50 is a 50% concentration of dextrose in either water or saline as per protocols.
The 5% is a LIGHT dose of dextrose which is essentially a normal level of dextrose to keep the body running.
The 50% is a hammer dose designed to wake up a diabetic who has crashed OR someone who has had their glucose level crash (Think drunk or drugs).

DFOs get D50, Thiamine (B vitamins) and Narcan as a rapid intervention cocktail. They USUALLY wake up pissed off!!

If yer a SOB, you can PUSH the D50 and give the full ampoule in about 3 minutes. Stuff is SO thick that's about how fast you can stuff it through the needle. Fuggin crap HURTS this way.

Ask me how I know. The only more painful IV I have ever "enjoyed" Was Doxycycline.
 
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Heard of D5W in the medical tv shows, along with Ringer’s and others. When my wife was receiving it in the hospital as just IV fluids, she was pissed they were giving her “sugar water,” as she had a serious weight problem. I told her she needed it for energy.
 

Txkstew

Veteran Member
Maybe being tired of dealing with the same junkies over and over then having them treat everyone who saved them like shit and the entire time knowing that the taxpayers were footing the bill. Just a guess. I was for letting their sorry asses die right on the street but that's just me. One medic responded to and had to use narcan to revive the same junkie three times in one day. It took that moron almost two more weeks to finish themselves properly. If they are hell bent on jacking up dope that will kill them, who are we to stand in their way? I have less than zero sympathy for these junkies. Kids/teens experimenting, yes, help them and put in the effort to try and keep them from ending up like the adult scum bags. My scum bag brother had a group of about ten close friends. One got out of the drug game, cleaned up and is doing well. My brother is the only other one left alive of his group of friends, barely. I personally worked the deaths of three of them. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. I have no F's to give stupid people and will not suffer fools.
Most junkies Don't want to live. They have nothing to live for. Their families have wrote them off a long time ago. Only friends they have, are dismal people like them. They own nothing, as they lost everything a long time ago. No hope of having a real home, spouse, kids, as they lost them a long time ago as well.

My late ex wife got hooked on pills after we got divorced. She and others would pile into a car, and drive 100 miles to Houston and hit three Doctors. They could get 90 - 10mg hydrocodones, 30 - 1mg Xanax, and 60 Soma pill at each stop. There was a guy back home, who financed the trip, paying gas money, the Doctor, and the pharmacy. He got half the pills as his share. He then sold pills for a big markup.

Getting home was the trick, as they all started taking a hand full of pills on the trip home. My ex figured it out, if she nodded off, she would be missing a bunch of her take out of her purse. Not to mention getting in a crash, so she started doing the driving.

She made it 8 years doing this, until she took 1 pill too much. This was a lot, as she'd take a handful at at time. She knew she was going to die, and didn't really care. She made me promise to not revive her, if I found her. She had a list one time, of 27 people she knew who OD'd and woke up blue, as in room temperature. She left two adult kids, our 13 year old son, and 3 grand kids.

She didn't care about the pain and greif she caused them. I was the one who had to pull her cold dead body out of the bath tub, wipe the snot off her nose and mouth, and do CPR on her for 15 minutes, while waiting on EMS to get there. 15 minutes is a long time, doing that by yourself. According to the Police report, time of death was almost 30 minutes before my Stepson called me. I Lived right across the street.

16 years later, my son is 30, and still grieves. She's gone, but the effects ripple.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Any idea what caused it?
They did not announce what it was, but it was during Covid, and a lot of young healthy athletes were dropping dead at the time, and he supposedly got the vax the week before. So SPECULATION is ......
 

ComCamGuy

Remote Paramedical pain in the ass
They don’t work as well as intended. You still have the civil courts to deal until or unless a judge says the Good Samaritan laws apply but you are often still on the hook for legal fees and reputation damage.
And a lot of times the Good Samaritan laws don't apply if you are trained in medicine. Granny can put the AED pads on each ear and she is fine, but I do something someone can object too even if I can show where I was trained to do it that way, I'm still screwed
 

Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
Honestly, I have never ever heard of any bystander taken under legal duress of any manner in Iowa for actions they took, or not. For that matter, though I am sure one can find an instance or three if they look hard enough, no where else. Iowa, Nebraska, Arizona, California, Nevada and at least a couple other states I am overlooking right now.

I have attended multiple auto crashes, 2 CPRs, a diabetic event (low sugar) and other incidents across several states over the decades and never, ever once been the subject of even formal inquiry. Heimlich maneuver for an obstructed airway in a child, various and sundry lacerations at the gun shows - some treated and released and some referred for higher level care (sutures - I am not allowed to do sutures when the scene is not very, very remote, like within several hours of a clinic, and even then there are caveats), chest pains, syncopal episodes (passing out not due to blood sugar issues), falls in church (several) and more.

Honestly, I think people are afraid of their own shadows when it comes to helping a fellow man in distress.

RR
 

bassgirl

Veteran Member
D5W is a 5% concentration of dextrose in water.
D50 is a 50% concentration of dextrose in either water or saline as per protocols.
The 5% is a LIGHT dose of dextrose which is essentially a normal level of dextrose to keep the body running.
The 50% is a hammer dose designed to wake up a diabetic who has crashed OR someone who has had their glucose level crash (Think drunk or drugs).

DFOs get D50, Thiamine (B vitamins) and Narcan as a rapid intervention cocktail. They USUALLY wake up pissed off!!

If yer a SOB, you can PUSH the D50 and give the full ampoule in about 3 minutes. Stuff is SO thick that's about how fast you can stuff it through the needle. Fuggin crap HURTS this way.

Ask me how I know. The only more painful IV I have ever "enjoyed" Was Doxycycline.
I dunno Phenergan can be pretty rough. Causes caustic tissues and vein issues. They stopped giving it IV push in the ER. IV bags yes, push no.
 

ComCamGuy

Remote Paramedical pain in the ass
Honestly, I have never ever heard of any bystander taken under legal duress of any manner in Iowa for actions they took, or not. For that matter, though I am sure one can find an instance or three if they look hard enough, no where else. Iowa, Nebraska, Arizona, California, Nevada and at least a couple other states I am overlooking right now.

I have attended multiple auto crashes, 2 CPRs, a diabetic event (low sugar) and other incidents across several states over the decades and never, ever once been the subject of even formal inquiry. Heimlich maneuver for an obstructed airway in a child, various and sundry lacerations at the gun shows - some treated and released and some referred for higher level care (sutures - I am not allowed to do sutures when the scene is not very, very remote, like within several hours of a clinic, and even then there are caveats), chest pains, syncopal episodes (passing out not due to blood sugar issues), falls in church (several) and more.

Honestly, I think people are afraid of their own shadows when it comes to helping a fellow man in distress.

RR

Agree, but where I am, there is always the flip side of the coin. Ricky Rescue ready to start IVs, crack out the laryngoscope and so on and so forth. That's where they hang us up for practicing medicine without a license. It also depends on the state and circumstances.

I've stopped plenty of times, but I always keep a firm grasp on what I am doing vs where I am.
 

Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
I dunno Phenergan can be pretty rough. Causes caustic tissues and vein issues. They stopped giving it IV push in the ER. IV bags yes, push no.

Have done it both push and piggyback. Much, MUCH prefer the latter. One reason I gave so much was the junkies knew it potentiated narcotics. Once we switched to Zofran claims of nausea went down after repeated explanations that it didn't work like Phenergan in that regard, accompanied by lurid tales (the number of instances which were exaggerated) of people losing arms because someone accidentally cannulated an artery instead of a vein. There was the infamous incident involving a young violinist that really brought the issue to light.

RR
 

Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
Depends on the drugs involved.

Alcohol withdrawal is one of the few types that can be fatal (seizures). Heroin, etc. will sincerely make you wish you could die.

Krokodil is another one that kills. My understanding is that the treatment is medication-induced coma for up to 2 weeks while you go cold turkey in the hospital. or the outcome is often fatal.

RR
 
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