…… Grow lights

kyrsyan

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I'm good on grow lights for this year. And maybe next year. The problem is that my grow lights are 18" fluorescent bulb fixtures. And it appears that they are no longer available except in pet stores for aquariums.
I don't really want to switch over to LEDs. I really, really, really hate the idea of having to replace an entire fixture instead of a bulb. But it appears I'm going to have no choice in this.
My problem is simple, I have no clue which LED grow lights are the real thing and which ones are crud. Amazon and other vendors have lots, and lots, and lots of them listed. The reviews are very mixed.
My seed starting shelves are a set of 6 glass shelves in an east facing window with no shade. The window itself is coated with privacy film because of neighbors and security. I cannot mount anything that is longer than 28" and I have to mount them directly to the glass with adhesive. All of that seems to be possible.
My problem is, again, I have no idea which ones are good. What level of red, blue combo/strength do I need? Lumens? etc? This was easy with the fluorescent fixtures. You just bought the bulb for growing and moved the shelves as needed. For LED there's a ton of questions that I don't know the answers to.
If you've used LED grow lights, and had them work well, please let me know which ones. Or if you can answer the questions that I don't know answers to, that would help as well.
Thanks.
 

China Connection

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Um, Indoor Grow Tents are mainly used for growing grass.


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China Connection

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3 Shopping Tips for Plant Grow Lights
17 January 2019, written by Barbara Pleasant
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Growing cabbage seedlings under grow lights

My 20-year old lighted plant shelf is ready for retirement. The fluorescent ballasts need replacing again, but this time around it’s not worth the cost. Instead I’m opting to update and downsize, which launched me into the confusing new world of plant grow lights in their many incarnations.
It’s a befuddling market for home gardeners, because the biggest demand for indoor plant lighting comes not from us, but from the cannabis industry, followed closely by hydroponics and climate-controlled agriculture. In these cases, full sun plants like cannabis, lettuce, basil or tomatoes are grown to full maturity, which requires huge amounts of light. Gardeners use lights mostly to grow stocky seedlings of special varieties, an honourable goal that calls for careful study. Here are the three big questions to consider.
“Growing
Get your garden off to an early start with onions grown under lights1. Where will you use your plant grow lights? Do looks count?
I love to witness the miracle of germination up close, so I grow my seedlings in the main room of the house, which is kept comfortably warm. The supplemental lights brighten bleak winter days, and I’m more likely to spot problems early when young seedlings are close at hand. A well-chosen plant grow light can become a cheery asset to a room that will last for decades. On the other hand, you might grow your seedlings in a cellar or other utility space, where appearances are much less important.
2. How many seedlings do you plan to grow?
Starting small is always a good idea, because few people get seed-starting right the first time around. My first plant grow light was a single fluorescent tube light with reflective hood and adjustable legs that stood on a table or bookshelf, and it was great. Comparable current models include the Jump Start ($75, compact fluorescent) or the Sunblaster ($125, LED lights). Either will do a smashing job of providing light for veggie seedlings.
“Growing
Tomatoes, peppers and other warm-natured plants wait for spring under plant lights
More seedlings mean more light fixtures, which can come with their own shelves and mounting hardware, or can be attached to inexpensive metal shelving units or utility carts. Most plant grow lights have holes in the reflective hoods so they can be suspended with lightweight wire or chain, but they may or may not have handy off/on switches. Check these details carefully if you plan to invest in numerous fixtures or a multi-shelf plant grow light.
3. What kind of lights do you need?
Plant grow lights may use traditional fluorescent bulbs, compact fluorescent lights (CFLs) or light-emitting diodes (LEDs). LED plant lights use less energy and emit less heat than compact fluorescent lights, reducing costs and simplifying temperature control in enclosed environments. Go with full-spectrum LEDs (which don’t look purple) for growing seedlings, propagating plants, and perking up houseplants in winter.
“Growing
Spinach and other tricky germinators can be started indoors, where temperature and moisture can be controlled
As for the zillion LEDs in blue, red, or other focused colours, reportedly cannabis is best grown indoors with LED lighting in which wavelengths can be fine-tuned to encourage vegetative or reproductive growth. Hydroponic and greenhouse growers like being able to replace their energy-hungry high intensity lights in part with energy-efficient LEDs.
There is no doubt that future endeavours in climate-controlled agriculture will absolutely rely on LEDs. Because of their low heat emissions, popular home hydroponic systems including Aerogarden use LEDs, as do small “grow closets” marketed for growing herbs. On the down side, high-quality LED plant grow lights are costly, and you get what you pay for. Better quality LEDs use sophisticated diffuser technologies to help them mimic the sun.
“Using
Warmth from fluorescent lights can be used as bottom heat for germinating seeds
But do you need LED plant lights to grow pepper seedlings for your garden? Probably not. My old T-12 fluorescent lights worked great until they didn’t, so I can’t fault them for performance. Today’s T5 compact fluorescents put out almost twice as much light, so one bulb can do the work of two. I also like the small amount of heat emitted by fluorescent lights, which I put to use as bottom heat for germinating seeds. Drip-proof seed trays are needed, but a flat-topped fluorescent fixture can double as a heating mat that warms the planted seeds whenever the lights are on.
As for the energy question, a home-size plant grow light setup using either LED or CFL bulbs will use so little energy that it will be a tiny blip on your electric bill. But the payback can be huge! With a good plant grow light, you can grow exactly the seedlings you want for your one-of-a-kind garden.

 

Displaced hillbilly

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I’ve heard thru a few grand solar minimum/prepper ppl on You Tube that Hidden Harvest grow lights are great. They have a web site and think they might be American made.
 

China Connection

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Best Lights For Growing Microgreens – Everything You Need To Know
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Best lights for growing microgreens.
We’ve looked a the best lights for growing microgreens and dove into different ways of how to grow them. First of all, I think, when growing microgreens just for your own food, you really don’t need any light, if you have the option to have a window sill with daylight or some other space with direct daylight. But this depends on your preferences. Of course, you can use it. For those who like to have a mini garden with lights in your home, we gathered and compare different home automated or not mini gardens. We hope you will find some value in this post for you if you prefer this method.
With that being said, when exposing yourself to the microgreen world as a grower on a bigger scale, you need to consider lights, when choosing indoor growing. I wouldn’t said, that this is the most important thing with growing, but it is one of more important things, for sure. I remember, when we started to grow and test some lights, we bought growing light and regular lights. In the shop we saw LED lights, but because the characteristics were approximately the same as regular ones, however more expensive, we didn’t buy them. At that time. And when tested, we were satisfied with the regular ones, because with growing lights everything seems the same. There wasn’t any difference in growth, just in price. It was double the price as a regular one. I will touch on these later in this post.
When should I expose microgreens to light?
Well, at the beginning, you need to cover your seeds (our method is to cover with another tray, but you can use anything else), to prevent moisture to go out. So the germination phase is taking place in the dark. With the faster varieties, this phase will be just a few days. With some herbs, you will have a much longer period in the dark. To help you when to expose microgreens to light, we have gathered 20 of the most common varieties in a table, see below. In general, when seedlings are approx. 2-3cm tall (0,79”-1,18”) in the dark period, you can expose them to light.
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Density numbers for our small containers and 1020 trays.
How many hours of light do microgreens need?

Plants are just like humans. They also need to rest. That’s why, we use this method – simulating daylight – as long as it is daylight, we have lights on. When the dark is coming, the lights went out. Of course you don’t do this by yourself every day. At least here, you can use an electric timer. We are using like a similar one to this one, because it fits our needs.
But you can use any of your choice. With that being said, on average we have lights on for about 12 hours (in summer longer, in winter shorter time).

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Can any LED light be used as a growing light?
Let me first explain the different data for light and what microgreens are looking for. Like other plants, microgreens require lights for photosynthesis. Otherwise you will get yellow microgreens (which are also great, not just for its performance but also they taste more sweet compared to the ones with clorophil).
T5 (0,6”), T8 (1”) or T12 (1,5”) means tubular diameter of the light tube. T8 fluorescent lamps are the most commonly used type today. They are 48 inches in length, and have a 1 inch lamp diameter. T8 and T12 tubes are also available in other lengths such as 8-ft tubes, but 4-ft lengths remain the most common type.
Lumens are a measure of how bright a light will appear to the human eye, not how well a LED light will grow plants. The strength or intensity of the light can be measured by the total wattage. The higher the wattage, the more intense the light will be.
Kelvins – color temperature
Most fluorescent tube lights have a correlated color temperature (CCT) from 4000K to 6500K, as they have been considered to be most suitable for retail and office environments, respectively. Similarly, LED tube lights are also available in a wide range of color temperatures. Since daylight is 6500K, and we want it to similate as much as its possible, your choice should be 6500K color temperature.
Nm – are wavelenghts, which plants need in the visible region from 400 – 700nm. Photosynthetic photon flux (PPF) designates the intensity of visible spectral radiation, which plants use in the photosynthesis process.
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Left: yellow pea, right: yellow corn.
Detailed wavelengths of interest for growers using LEDs, within the 400-700 nm range, applicable to plants growth, are:
nmdescription
439blue absorption peak of chlorophyll a
450-460the royal blue that is absorbed by one of the peaks in beta-carotene. It is a readily available LED wavelength commonly used to excite the remote-phosphor in white LED lamps
469blue absorption peak of chlorophyll b. To promote fast growth of the plant.
430-470Blue range that is important for the absorption of chlorophyll a and b, which is key for vegetative growth.
480-485Blue color – second absorption peak of beta-carotene.
525green light, is a phototropic activator that researchers are still trying to find the chromophore of. Green light isn’t important for photosynthesis, but it is apparent that plants are gaining direction and environmental signals from it, and that it affects internodal spacing. This is also the wavelength of GaN or InGaN green LEDs commonly used in RGB and tunable applications.
590Yellow color – key for carotenoid absorption. Carotenoids are starch-storing, structural and nutritional compounds. is additionally the phycoerythrin absorption wavelength. Phycoerythrin is a red protein-pigment complex from the light-harvesting phycobiliprotein family, present in red algae and cryptophytes, and is an accessory pigment to the main chlorophyll pigments responsible for photosynthesis.
625Orange color – phycocyanin absorption peak. Phycocyanin is a pigment-protein complex from the light-harvesting phycobiliprotein family, along with allophycocyanin and phycoerythrin. It is also an accessory pigment to chlorophyll.
642-645Red color – peak absorption point of chlorophyll b.
660often called the super-red LED wavelength and is important for flowering.
666-667peak red absorption point for chlorophyll a.
730often referred to as far-red, is important for phytochrome recycling. It is needed for all kinds of morphogenic (shape-forming) processes. Improve the yield (blooming and fruiting). A few minutes of 730 nm light treatment after the full light cycle is over will revert the phytochrome chromophore from activated to inactive. This resets the chemistry for another lights-on cycle and may be useful in shortening the classic dark side of the photoperiod. This color is important to plants but is not considered in PPF as it is outside of the 400-700nm PPF range.
Source from: ACDC Dynamics Online
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lights for microgreens

There are many advantages of LED tubes over fluorescents, but we won’t go into depth, let us mention just three primary advantages:
  • Higher efficiency, energy savings (up to 30-50%)
  • Longer lifetimes (the one we use are 30k hours)
  • No mercury
Plants use more red and blue light for photosynthesis than they do green, and the absorption spectrum of plants can effectively be matched by using the right combination of LEDs.
Although red light is sufficient for plant growth, blue light is important for increased leaf thickness and number of chloroplasts. For microgreen production, it is suggested to use more blue then red color. Blue one is keeping them more dense. That’s why LED light are more common to use then LED grow lights with microgreen growers. The same goes for us. We use LED lights. Because when comparing these two lights, there wasn’t any significant difference plus LED’s have a much longer lifetime than regular lights. I would say that its primarily because microgreens are so fast growing plants, that this difference can’t be seen so quick.
If you have the option to grow microgreens outside, especially under the sun, this would be the cheapest and greatest light source for you microgreens, but since we are now gathering information on indoor growing, let’s stick with artifical lights. Artificial lighting provides a constant and predictable source of lighting. We will be discussing two options, since we are using them. The first one is fluorescent light, which we used in the beggining of our growing (but still have the same set up and lights after 5 years are still working ). The second one, used nowdays, whenever we buy a new setup are LED lights. As you will see in the picture, we are using two LEDs per shelf (120 cm – 47,24”).
How far should the light source be from microgreens?
With our setup we have installed lights 22cm (8,67”) above the top of the containers, where microgreens are sown. We found that this is the ideal distance for all of our varieties, that we grow. In between we were testing and putting the lights closer on 13 cm (5,12”) to the microgreens and longer version, 30 cm (11,81”). But non of them presented as well as 22 cm (8,67”). Nor plants were to short or they perform leginess. Another thing that we discovered is the width of the lights. When we placed lights 25cm (9,85”) apart, the long-term growing microgreens like mentha, water cress and some other didn’t perform well on the sides. Two in the middle, who get most of the lights, grow fully, with very dense and big leaves. So we tried to install lights more broadly with 40 cm (15,75”) apart and now, the growth is evenly for all on the shelves (we use rack with proportions: 120 cm (47,25”) long and 50 cm (19,69”) wide, so we get 6 containers in row and 4 in width.

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Distance from the trays to light source in centimeters on the picture.
Bottom line – what are the best lights used for growing microgreens?

As always, we try to simplify things. That’s why we suggest, and also are still using LED lights, T8 or T5 size. I found some SIMILAR T8 OR SIMILAR T5 on Amazon, in case you will try to search for it. Try to find the ones with lumens between 1700 and 2000. Then seach for 6500K color (or at least 6000K). If you want to have low budget lights, those are good for starting your own microgreen business. With our production, these ones perform well for all fast and slower growing microgreens. But once again, this is our prefered selection. You may find your own best option, or you could test by yourself. In this case, we will be happy if you could share your experiences with us. Please feel free to leave comments down below. If you would like to get more information on different growing mediums, then read our blog here. For even more in depth information on supplies, tools, how to build successful microgreen business and more, we have gathered our own online course, Microgreens MasterClass. You are welcome to take a look into the curriculum.

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Our rack with light instalation.
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kyrsyan

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Unfortunately, I need t8. Although the length is right. Thank you though.

I’ve heard thru a few grand solar minimum/prepper ppl on You Tube that Hidden Harvest grow lights are great. They have a web site and think they might be American made.
I checked them out and that may be what I go with.

Thank you, China Connection. I've been doing a lot of reading and am slowly getting a grasp on it. There are a lot of fixtures that are way overpowered for my small set up. And then underpowered. It is looking like I'll have to get smaller strips and use multiples per shelf to get the needed PAR levels.
But there are so many sellers that I'm going to see about finding one I can trust to be publishing facts about their products. And then slowly start getting them.
But for now I have the fluorescent lights still. And I can still get bulb replacements at aquarium supply stores. I have discovered that I am not the only gardener that does not want to change to LED. And most of us are hoping the bulb problem is just a COVID kink that will settle out.
 

Faroe

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Chinese made LED is considered to be trash. Arcadia makes good LED grow lights for vivs - NOT cheap! Saw a viv video that prefered basic shop lights with white light bulbs. Looked like T5. I can not seem to find that video - thought I'd saved it. Will post if it can be found.

ETA: as per below, I guess my memory sucks, (1 min mark) the guy in the video likes cheap cabinet LED bars (so maybe they have improved - Aug 2019 video).
 
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kyrsyan

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Chinese made LED is considered to be trash. Arcadia makes good LED grow lights for vivs - NOT cheap! Saw a viv video that prefered basic shop lights with white light bulbs. Looked like T5. I can not seem to find that video - thought I'd saved it. Will post if it can be found.

ETA: as per below, I guess my memory sucks, (1 min mark) the guy in the video likes cheap cabinet LED bars (so maybe they have improved - Aug 2019 video).
Yeah. And most of what I'm finding is cheap Chinese made crap. My experience lately has been that things from China might have been halfway decent before but post COVID you might as well just throw the money in the garbage.
Since I have time. I can probably save up and do slightly more expensive than I normally would. That's the advantage of discovering a problem before it's an emergency.
 

Faroe

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I really wish he had given the specific product name for those lights he likes the most. Am upgrading several vivs. Arcadia lighting would be 100 bucks per viv! Not doing that, but don't want to purchase some random strip/T-5, either.

Also planning to get the metal baker' shelving and light set-up for garden plants this spring. Used basic shop florescent tubes about 20 years ago, and they worked fine. We'll see. Mostly, I've been running into so much "out of stock," recently that there isn't much choice left. I e-mailed one vendor about re-stocking, I am READY to make the purchase, but they have been flakey about getting back to me. Grr....
 

hammerhead

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Along with the light fixture, think about reflectivity. I hang my fixtures on chains, and as the seedlings grow, the light is adjusted higher. As the fixture is adjusted higher, light pouring out to the sides and getting reflected back makes a difference in lumens onto leaf surface. For example, with the metal rack setup pictured above, something hung vertically along the sides ...
 

Jackpine Savage

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I did some reading on this last fall but never made any acquisitions. HLG was one brand that seemed to be respected.

We are staying with our FL for now.
 

kyrsyan

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I'm using glass shelves in an east facing window. So they will have a level of natural sunlight. But privacy film will block sections of the natural light. These were a find a long time ago when a store went out of business. I use tracks with them and can adjust the heights of the shelves to whatever I want them to be.
Another downside to LED is that I may have to invest in seed warming mats. And that's another rabbit hole. I wonder if I can still find some of those old electric kitchen warming trays...
All this setup is used for is seed starting. To get a head start on the planting season because I typically am planting while the local greenhouses have yet to put seedlings out for sale. And this year looks to be one where I can get a way early start. The garlic I planted months ago is still growing.
 

kyrsyan

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Along with the light fixture, think about reflectivity. I hang my fixtures on chains, and as the seedlings grow, the light is adjusted higher. As the fixture is adjusted higher, light pouring out to the sides and getting reflected back makes a difference in lumens onto leaf surface. For example, with the metal rack setup pictured above, something hung vertically along the sides ...
I have some extra foil material that I can run down the sides if needed. The room has a full spectrum bulb for my health and sanity. But two ceiling bulbs is not going to do much for a set of plants on the edge of the room, about 6 ft away.
And it's a colder room, so I'm debating creating an interior storm window, made from Lexan, for that window as well. It's just a side bonus that it would provide addition security for my office if someone did decide to try to grab my computer system.
 

hammerhead

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I've used foil, white paper, mylar, cheap foil-backed styrofoam from Home Depot ... any light thrown back onto the plants is a win.
 

kyrsyan

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I could probably actually cut the foil to fit inside the shelf bracket along the bottom of the shelf as well. Thanks for the ideas.
 

Faroe

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Anything reflective and light weight will work. The video shows what look like hinged DOW foam panels with a reflective layer as doors on the sides. The main thing is to get the lights as close to the tops of the growing plants w/o burning them. I can't think of any garden plants that prefer shade - all seem to require as much light as we can provide.

Hydrofarm and Jumpstart are relatively inexpensive thermostats for heat mats. Easy to use, I own several for the vivs, and they have lasted in continuous use for years with only one going bad. I just use my reptile mats for seedlings, but the online places should have plant mats offered along with the Jumpstarts. They make a BIG difference in germination success for heat loving seeds like tomatoes and basil.
 

kyrsyan

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Faroe, thank you. That short circuits a lot of headache and digging through reviews.
 

Faroe

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You're welcome.
I am purchasing this for lighting: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06WGL7N66/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A1860ZIFQ8HXE0&psc=1

Don't know yet how it will work on the vivs - the animals may turn it off, or maybe I can cover the sensor. I'll figure it out when I get it. The add-on's for stringing a series of them are in the twenty-something dollar range. If I don't like the light for the vivs, it looks like it might be a good choice for seedling racks.
 

kyrsyan

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Faroe, it looks nice. But my movements at the desk would mess with it continually. A timer version is more practical in my case. Which reminds me that I need to go find all my timers...
 
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