Grain drain: Get ready for Peak Grain

Martin

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Grain drain: Get ready for Peak Grain
Sunday, July 23 2006 @ 08:35 AM PDT

Brace yourself for crises at the cash register. Major price hikes for food are coming, as Peak Grains join the lineup of life-changing events such as Peak Oil and Peak Water. Unless this year's harvest is unexpectedly different from six out of the last seven, the world's ever-decreasing number of farmers will not produce enough staple grains to feed its ever-increasing number of people.



Grain drain

Get ready for Peak Grain. Two months of global food reserves is all that's separating us from mass starvation.

By WAYNE ROBERTS

Brace yourself for crises at the cash register. Major price hikes for food are coming, as Peak Grains join the lineup of life-changing events such as Peak Oil and Peak Water. Unless this year's harvest is unexpectedly different from six out of the last seven, the world's ever-decreasing number of farmers will not produce enough staple grains to feed its ever-increasing number of people.

Quite a shift from obsessing about obesity, isn't it?

Last month, enviro analyst Lester Brown of the Washington, DC-based Earth Policy Institute examined U.S. Department of Agriculture figures and issued a shocking warning. The international cupboard or "reserve" of grains (wheat, rice and corn, for example), he showed, is now at its lowest point since the early 1970s.

He wasn't the first to go down this path. He follows by a few months Darrin Qualman, researcher with Canada's National Farmers Union, one of the few farm orgs that think agriculture policy should be about feeding people, not finding ways to raise prices by getting rid of farm surpluses.

While there's been a crisis of quiet desperation over at least a decade for the 15,000 people who die each day from hunger-related causes, shortages and high prices are about to become everyone's problem.

Turns out that if massive disaster strikes, there's enough in the global cupboard to keep people alive on basic grains for 57 days. Two months of survival food is all that separates us from mass starvation due to drought, plagues of locusts and other pests, or the wars and violence that disrupt farming, all of which are more plentiful than food.

And since the World Trade Organization prohibits government intervention that keeps any items off the free trade ledger, there's no law that says Canadians, or any other people, get first dibs on their own food production.

To put the 57 days in historical perspective, the world price for wheat went up six-fold in 1973, the last time reserves were this low. Wheat prices ricocheted through the food supply chain in many ways, from higher prices for cereal and breads eaten directly by humans to the cost of milk and meat from livestock fed a grain-based diet.

If such a chain reaction happens this year, wheat could fetch $21 a bushel, about six times its current price. It might cost even more, given that there are now two other pressing demands for grains that were less forceful during the 70s.

Those happy days predated modern fads such as using grains for ethanol, now touted as an alternative to petroleum fuels for cars, and predated the factory barns that bring grains to an animal's stall, thereby eliminating grazing on pasture grasses.

University ethics classes and church elders can ponder the moral dilemmas imposed on the wealthy when they choose fuel and meat while others starve.

Historians will also recall that 1970s food prices went up because of price hikes for oil, contributing to the runaway inflation that defined the decade's economic challenge. That experience shows that seemingly small blips in food reserves and availability can lead to major shocks in the economy and society.

The drop in world food reserves back then was also accompanied by trends from which the world has yet to fully recover. Legacies include traumatic famines across Africa, Afghanistan and Bangladesh, the emergence of hard right politics in conventional parties as governments prepared for a crackdown on unions that were blamed for the inflationary spiral, and tight money policies that doubled unemployment levels.

Even modest price changes can have a big wallop this time, too, especially in a world that's already suffering from crisis overload. For a third of the world's people who subsist on less than $2 a day, even a few pennies increase in food prices can make a life-and-death difference.

There will be an echo of that desperation in wealthy North America, where about 10 per cent of the population – mostly single-parent families and immigrants – faces some form of food insecurity. If looming food shortages make it onto the radar of government officials charged with safeguarding public health, a raft of new policy issues will need to be addressed.

A big question mark has to be put next to ethanol fuels, except those made from crop wastes. Food sovereignty – the right of a people to set their own food policies – emerges as a precondition of food security, and should put the world free trade agenda on hold.

Planning measures that prohibit urban sprawl onto good farmland – Ontario's greenbelt is an excellent example – become axiomatic. So do government incentives such as guaranteed minimum prices for farmers producing basic foods, the same kinds of guarantees now given to self-regulating professions such as doctors and lawyers, as well as apprenticed tradesmen, all of whom would have problems working if they didn't eat.

And so do measures that promote food production in cities – not as a healthy hobby, but as a public health essential. A garden on top of every garage, a veggie stew in every pot: we will see this and more in the years ahead.

http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20060723083547992
 

Martin

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India grows a grain crisis
By Raja M

MUMBAI - The Indian economy, cruising smartly at an 8.4% annual growth rate - second-fastest after China - suffered a worrying bump with a food-grain shortage that led to the government confirming plans this month to import more than 3 million tons of wheat.

With a global tender, India began its wheat-importing process for the first time in six years, prompting leading agri-scientists such as Professor M S Swaminathan to express concerns about India's future food security. The genial, balding Swaminathan, called the father of India's "Green Revolution" and included in a Time magazine list of the 20 most influential 20th-century Asians, attributed the disquieting situation to decreasing agriculturalproductivity in the past 10 years.

Amid chest-thumping about the current buoyant gross domestic product, the grain shortfall ought to fan serious anxiety about India's future self-sufficiency for a billion-plus population. India's decreased attention to agriculture has already cost a few thousand lives of farmers committing suicide and contributed to the previous government being knocked out of power. The current coalition government has not impressed many with its agricultural policies either.

"One percent of India's 8% growth comes from agriculture," one of India's top economists, Pai Panandikar, told Asia Times Online. "We were complacent with buffer stocks of about 60 million tons, which were soon exhausted because of highly subsidized anti-poverty government schemes - and other mismanagement, including poor storage facilities. Buffer stocks are down now to 18 million tons."

India's granaries are likely to be emptier with more farmers shifting to more profitable cash crops. Worse, Swaminathan, chairman of the National Farmers Commission, quoting surveys, said nearly 40% of farmers want to move out of agriculture.

Panandikar, heading the New Delhi-based economic think-tank the RPG Foundation, is among those baffled that the situation is not ringing alarm bells as loudly as it should. The RPG Foundation in its April "State of Business" monthly report observed: "Both in respect of rice and wheat, stocks are 2 million tons each below the minimum buffer stock that was planned."

India's growing food-grain woes reflect a global problem of urban-centric economies neglecting the sustaining rural base. The Economic and Social Department of the United Nations' Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) in its latest Food Outlook analysis called the current global wheat-market situation "volatile".

For reasons ranging from climate to bad economics, the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) in its crop report last month said the current world grain harvest of 1.984 trillion tonnes dropped by 24 million tons from the 2005 harvest, and dipped 3% from a historical high of 2.044 trillion tons in 2004.

The grain downfall comes amid greedier consumption, a growing global population and growing life spans. The world's farmers have to feed an additional 70 million people every year, or over a million more people a week, with the population growth mostly concentrated in the South Asian subcontinent and sub-Saharan Africa, home to most of the world's hungry people.

The Indian government has allowed private firms for the first time to import wheat, but the import move itself has met with expected grumbles. The government is paying US$21.3 per quintal for the imported wheat, while the domestic farmers have only been paid $15. Government-owned trading majors such as MMTC Ltd (2005-06 turnover $343 million) announced plans to float new wheat import tenders, if it gets a good response to its 50,000-ton tender that closed this Monday.

Agriculture Minister Sharad Pawar deflected criticism of lopsided import prices. "It's wrong to allege that we are favoring foreign companies. The amount of money spent on transporting wheat from one part of India to another is huge and makes up for this difference in costs," he said, an argument not many are buying.

Economists such as Panandikar dismiss moves to import food grains as being "impractical" because of higher import costs, made possibly higher with tougher shipping and contract regulations. Panandikar advocates more long-term solutions to boost productivity, such as wider use of bio-technologies and better water management such as rainwater harvesting of India's ample monsoon to battle chronic water problems farmers face.

The water shortage looks to be a graver problem. "Water tables are now falling and wells are going dry in countries that contain half the world's people, including the big three grain producers - China, India, and the United States," reports the London-based Earth Policy Institute. "In China, water shortages have helped lower the wheat harvest from its peak of 123 million tons in 1997 to below 100 million tons in recent years.

"Water shortages are also making it more difficult for farmers in India to expand their grain harvest. In parts of the United States, such as the Texas panhandle and in western Oklahoma and Kansas, depletion of the Ogallala aquifer has forced farmers to return to lower-yield dry-land farming." The US has already reported poor wheat harvests from its breadbasket states of Kansas, Texas and Oklahoma.

This month, the Indian government-owned State Trading Corp identified five potential suppliers, Toepfer, Concordia, Glencore, ADM and Cargill, after relaxing many quality standards relating to moisture content, fungi and fumigation, from an earlier tender in May that did not interest many suppliers.

India beat the import and the handout phase in the 1970s, after high-yielding varieties of grain helped bring in the Green Revolution when India's food production raced ahead of the population boom. But now the country obviously needs a "Greener Revolution" to meet its increasing consumption demands, and more poverty-targeted programs like Mission 2007: Hunger Free India, by the Chennai-based MS Swaminathan Research Foundation.

Mission 2007 included setting up a Technical Resource Center for Food Security and a study on "hunger hot spots" in the Asia-Pacific region. The foundation quotes Mahatma Gandhi saying bread is God for the hungry. The neglected grain god now demands more devoted cultivation.


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/printN.html
 

MaxTheKnife

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I think some are somewhat ready. I also think that most aren't ready in any way, shape or form. I asked my 18 year old daughter (visiting from out west) just the other day what she would do if she couldn't go to the grocery store and buy food or go to the gas station and guy gas. Her response? She'll deal with it when the time comes. And my questions were accompanied with a rolling of her eyes. She thinks I'm crazy and I'm just sick at heart that she can't or won't see what's coming. And maybe I am crazy. But I don't plan to die from hunger or lack of preparedness.
 
"And since the World Trade Organization prohibits government intervention that keeps any items off the free trade ledger, there's no law that says Canadians, or any other people, get first dibs on their own food production."

This is most grave.
 
Unfortunately

"People will be eating the dead."


I think you are right.


The entire world, or most of it except for isolated pockets, will turn Black Death medieval.
 

Bullwinkle

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And the farmer will not get any more for their grain as the price goes up.
The food we grow will likely go to the countries that can pay. Remember when Argentina had its economic collapse, the food grown there was shipped out of the country because the Argentinians had nothing with which to pay.

War in the mideast, fuel prices so high one can not afford to drive to work, the power grid ready to fail, and food shortages all coming together this fall will leave us right where TPTB want us. ("I love it when a plan comes together")TPTB control people with food and nations with oil. It is going to be a tough winter. But not to worry, The main line christian churchs teach that we will be raptured out before they have a chance to miss a meal. They will be the most suprised. You can not sell the rapture doctrine to the Church in China.

And the sheeple still take 3 trips a day into town and amuse them selves with vanities, pig out on fast food and display their bloated bodies at the beach and amusement parks rather than put a few extra groceries away and cut back on unnessesary travel so they will have money for fuel when the price goes up again.
Few will heed the warnings.

Bullwinkle
 

cryhavoc

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How in the world did we wind up here...?

First no gas, then no bread, then no water.....

Well then, I just can't wait for Peak Oxygen. :shkr:

Oh, it's coming.......;)

cryhavoc
 

Ender

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It's also the Matrix.

This world was meant for man- not governments. When the Almighty Dollar God rules, then, eventually, the average man is going to suffer.

What would it be like if every neighborhood worked together and looked after each other with thinking about "What's in it for me?"

What if computer games, malls, designer clothes, and who's going to be the next "sexiest man alive" wasn't even on the agenda?
 
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Slydersan

Veteran Member
"Eating the dead" - odd coincidence that "Soylent Green" (the movie) was on Turner Classic Movies today. I had never seen it or read the book, so I watched it. Pretty disturbing for an old 60's-70's flick (staring Charlton Heston no less).


Question - I just did a google search looking how to grow wheat...Man, there is hardly ANY info out there. Anybody have a good link that describes how to grow it on a small scale??? Im talking like under 20 sq ft type of a thing. I found one that briefly describes the cutting / winnowing process, but not when to plant, how much per sq.ft. etc. It is here - http://waltonfeed.com/old/wheat.html
 

A.T.Hagan

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Dang if I can lay my hands on it now, but at one time we had a link here to a complete copy of Gene Logsdon's <i>Small Scale Grain Growing</i> that covered all the particulars. Maybe someone here has the link. The book itself is long out of print and sells for exorbitant prices if you can find a copy.

.....Alan.
 
I have been in contact

with a major Montana grower of non GM modified wheat, other grains, and some beans and legumes.

I have the wholesale and retail pricing.

I am getting the last bit of information on the shipping.

It is not worth shipping small lots. It is way too expensive now.

I will contact their shipper and get some rough shipping costs.
 

Nuthatch

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Go to the ATTRA website and ask for wheat information....or call them. They have sent me fore free, information on several topics in farming from chickens to ponds.
 
Ender

the price is extremely reasonable. We went out to buy some Friday but the local supplier is out till wednesday.

We would have bought 100 lbs, retail, for $28. It is the shipping that is the problem.

I am checking prices FOB.



In San Jose, at the Beehive (I know Helium knows that one) 25lbs would have cost me $17.00. In northern Ontario 25lbs was about $35.00 for wheat, and a whopping $75 for a 25lb bag of pinto beans. Whooooaaaa.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
A.T.Hagan said:
Dang if I can lay my hands on it now, but at one time we had a link here to a complete copy of Gene Logsdon's <i>Small Scale Grain Growing</i> that covered all the particulars. Maybe someone here has the link. The book itself is long out of print and sells for exorbitant prices if you can find a copy.

.....Alan.

Here's a bunch of sites on him. I'm sure you can glean a ton of info from them:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Ge...ing&fr=FP-tab-web-t410&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8
 

A.T.Hagan

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A.T.Hagan said:
Dang if I can lay my hands on it now, but at one time we had a link here to a complete copy of Gene Logsdon's <i>Small Scale Grain Growing</i> that covered all the particulars. Maybe someone here has the line. The book itself is long out of print and sells for exorbitant prices if you can find a copy.

.....Alan.
My mistake, it's <i>Small Scale Grain RAISING</i> by Gene Logsdon.

And here is the link I mentioned: http://www.soilandhealth.org/copyform.aspx?bookcode=030210

You don't have to join (pay) to download. Just follow the directions and he'll send you a URL via e-mail that you can use to download the book. It's the only full-text copy available on the web that I know of.

.....Alan.
 

lynnie

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I really think you ought to consider potatoes instead for small scale survival. Easy to grow, easy to harvest, and good nutritional carbs. You can cover them with a foot of straw and dig them up all winter. Wheat is just too hard for those without the proper tools for plowing and threshing. Wheat is obviously more versatile and tasty for most of us, but for worst case scenarios, potatoes are just plain easier to keep you alive.

Potatoes have some disease issues, but so do grains. And potatoes can be mulched if the weather gets dry for a few weeks. Plus they are unrecognizable to the average clueless citizen ( although to be fair, the average clueless person would not know what to do with wheat either).

Just make sure you read up on local potatoe disease problems and get prepped for them if possible. (And stash as many buckets of wheat as you can:))
 

MaxTheKnife

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Good point Lynnie. I'm trying an experiment with my tater crop this year and so far it's working out real well. And the onions too. The taters were ready to dig the first week in June but I decided to just leave them in the ground and let the weeds grow up around them to keep the sun off. See, I was going to dig a small root cellar for taters and onions this year but I just can't find a good location so I gave up on that idea for now. And I have to say that so far, I can see nothing wrong with just leaving the taters and onions in the ground after they mature. I dug a few onions earlier in the week and was very impressed with how large they got and how well preserved they are. And I dug another bucket of taters today and they are in excellent shape as well. Sure, the odd one was rotten but that happens when you dig them and store them as well.

There is also a hidden benefit to leaving them in the ground and letting the weeds take over. No one knows you have any food and your vegetables are perfectly safe. Can't do that with wheat or other grains. They have to be dealt with at the right time or you'll lose them. Now one disadvantage to my lazy storage method is that when the stems rot completely off it can be a bit of a challenge finding all the taters and onions hiding in the rows. But that just makes it more fun! I'm leaving the trenches open with no evidence of taters or onions so I can find where I left off last time and it's working out just fine. That's all I know about tater and onion farming I swear!:lol:
 

Windy Ridge

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Those who live in areas where grain is grown should check out the local agricultural seed suppliers. Montana Seed in Billings, Montana is selling what they call table wheat at eight dollars for a 50 lb. sack. The clerk said it was hard spring wheat. Hard red winter wheat that is treated with a fungicide was selling for $7.75 a sack. The grain growing area north of Billings gets about 15 inches of rain a year and if it comes at the right time the yield can be over 40 bushels an acre. The county non-drought year average is 28 bushels per acre. A bushel is about 60 lbs. About 40 lbs. of seed is used per acre. Better watered areas can get over 100 bushels per acre. I think they plant up to 2 bushels per acre.

Five years ago this company sold treated or untreated seed but didn't call the untreated seed table wheat.

Windy Ridge
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
MaxTheKnife said:
Good point Lynnie. I'm trying an experiment with my tater crop this year and so far it's working out real well. And the onions too. The taters were ready to dig the first week in June but I decided to just leave them in the ground and let the weeds grow up around them to keep the sun off. See, I was going to dig a small root cellar for taters and onions this year but I just can't find a good location so I gave up on that idea for now. And I have to say that so far, I can see nothing wrong with just leaving the taters and onions in the ground after they mature. I dug a few onions earlier in the week and was very impressed with how large they got and how well preserved they are. And I dug another bucket of taters today and they are in excellent shape as well. Sure, the odd one was rotten but that happens when you dig them and store them as well.

There is also a hidden benefit to leaving them in the ground and letting the weeds take over. No one knows you have any food and your vegetables are perfectly safe. Can't do that with wheat or other grains. They have to be dealt with at the right time or you'll lose them. Now one disadvantage to my lazy storage method is that when the stems rot completely off it can be a bit of a challenge finding all the taters and onions hiding in the rows. But that just makes it more fun! I'm leaving the trenches open with no evidence of taters or onions so I can find where I left off last time and it's working out just fine. That's all I know about tater and onion farming I swear!:lol:

Max, the problem you may find with doing this is that you may get rodents (mice or whatever burrowing critters you have locally) that eat the bulk of your crop underground and you wouldn't even know it. We had this happen to both potatoes and carrots when we tried the same method in NH some years ago. Better to put the root crops in a barrel or something that can be made rodent-proof. Bury the barrel in the backyard someplace, and heap straw/weeds/whatever over it for mulch and a disguise.

Kathleen
 

Splicer205

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That map looks pretty bad. Corn, beans, wheat, sorghum, cotton, beef. Doesn't look good. Here are just a few of the comments from the farmers on agweb:

"We are still trying to complete first crop of hay but many fields remain too wet to get into them. "

"The dryland cotton is gone. Insurance man has come and zeroed it out."

"Corn getting that yellow bush look to it. Firing from ground up. Going to be back to 90 again by Sunday. I'm thinking basis is going to get good here cause there is going to be no bushels to sell."

"Genetics only help so and so much but in dry years when seed companies are trying to develop these hybrids, they don't always work."

"With the current prices of seed, fuel and fertilizer everyone needs a good crop and a good price!! "

"A week ago corn and beans were goin up because of hot dry weather. Now they are goin down because of hot, dry weather. Corn demand is high and supply is somewhat adequate. Bean demand is up but supply has not changed. Oh that's right, we are not in a supply/demand market anymore, this is a money market for rich city folk that tell the farmer what their labor is worth. Have not had a rain in the stress areas for a long time, can't remember when is rained last. Well we got 3 tenths the other day, but the sun followed as soon as is quit and evaporated it. Didn't do crops any good. Hope everyone is enjoying their last few years of farming until we have government-run farms. Until next time."

"Many cattle have gone to town and many more will follow unless the rains come soon."

"Had to replant forage sorgum because the bugs in the soil ate the seed, well I got some insecticide and more seed but the little plants just break into when you touch them."

"We had 107 degrees with strong southwest winds today that turned corn and beans white."

"I made the comment a few months ago how the elevators were price gouging and the Feds should check it out. I got a comment back saying to quit complaining and play the game."

"The wheat which was looking good two weeks ago is aborting the tillers just to survive! I've farmed for over thirty five years and I've seen drought and I have seen flooding but I don't remember the weather going from one extreme to another so fast!"
http://www.agweb.com/get_article.asp?pageid=117250&src=fswht
 

Jesse

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Hi Lynnie!

While I respect your choices and your comments, and agree with you wholeheartedly about potatoes, when it comes to grains I advise people to go and get my grandmother's 10-year Scotch Broth Mix recipe if you don't already have it. http://p081.ezboard.com/ftwcsfrm53.showMessage?topicID=3.topic Many here do, but too many newbies do not.

For approx. $1,500 you have food enough for a family of four for ten years.

No messing with planting and harvesting grains, no crop failures, just the initial packaging and storing. (Bury some in appropriate containers (spelled out in that thread), and keep one container - the one you are using on hand. It lasts for 3-4 months, depending on what size you've chosen. ) It will keep good for more than 20 years using this method. You can add veggies (cultured or wild), meat, anything else you like, but you don't really need it nutritionally, and certainly not to survive.

I figure that even those of us who've lived for many months at a time in tents on foreign soil without running water or electricity, will *still* take a year or so to adjust to any major collapse of the infrastructure here. There'll be horror on a scale that one doesn't have to deal with when simply living in the wild. It'll take a moment to get our emotional bearings. This is *not* a good time to be trying new things. Once we are *used* to "living with less," or just living differently (depending on your present life-style and POV), *then* we can crack open our non-hybrid Mountain Valley Seeds. AKA "Garden in a Can." We'll be GOOD at living day-to-day by then, and will also have acquired many new skills. We'll be much more comfortable, not nearly as anxious, and generally better equipped to deal with trying something we're hoping to depend upon as a food source. JMHO.

If the Grid goes down, and I think it just might, we'd better all have what we need in advance....

Your sister and fellow servant in Christ - Jesse.
 

Y2kO

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Max: If you leave potatoes in the ground for too long, they will sprout and start growing another crop of potatoes.

Regarding your daughter, I know exactly how you feel. I have a 30-something year old daughter who thinks I'm crazy. There's no getting through to them. :confused:
 

MaxTheKnife

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Well, I have an alternate plan in case this drought breaks. As dry as it's been here those taters are still slick as a brand new baby with no hint of sprouting. When and if the drought breaks I'll go ahead and dig them taters and onions up. Our ground is full of sand and clay and gets hard as a rock when it's dry. I guess that's one reason I don't have much trouble with burrowing pests. Last year, I dug my taters and put them in a 100 pound grain sack and laid them on the floor of our rock storage shed. They did real well for a few months since the concrete floor kept them cool and dry. Then the rats found them and they were all gone overnight. Those were our eating taters as well as seed taters for planting this year. I guess I'm going to have to break down and dig a small root cellar and concrete it in to keep the boogers out. The problem with that is that the deepest I can dig in most places here is 2 feet. After that, it's solid rock. I want it at least 4 feet deep for the cooling effect. Heh.

But thanks for the reminder about the taters sprouting. When it turns wet this fall I'll have to do something different with them. And I guess everyone knows not to store taters and onions together because it promotes spoilage for some reason. I can't remember if the taters spoil the onions or the onions spoil the taters. All I remember is you're not supposed to do it.
 

Aaron Whitelaw

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Camas Root may make a comeback if the grain crop fails. It has many uses for cooking and can be made into flour. Blessings, Aaron
 

FREEBIRD

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Side comment: '"It is going to be a tough winter. But not to worry, The main line Christian churchs teach that we will be raptured out before they have a chance to miss a meal. They will be the most surprised. You can not sell the rapture doctrine to the Church in China."

You can't sell the rapture doctrine to Christians who hve a history of persecution anywhere, notr to those who remember the earlier persecutions of the Church.

Back to topic: I was in a local supermarket and there was a sale of 10-lb. bags of bread flour, which never goes on sale around here. The price of bread, on the other hand, is through the roof already.
 

mecoastie

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I think if it comes to this then countries are just going to keep their own grains and say screw the WTO. On a personal note we are looking to try to raise our own wheat next year. I dont know if I have the space to raise all that we need but if I can raise half or most and have to purchase that much less we will better able to absorb the higher price. Also going to add potatoes and corn to the mix. We are trying to raise only crops that are fairly easy to store and also fairly easy to save seeds from. I think that the only true food security is being able to grow most of what you need and can get the rest locally.
 

Vere My Sone

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Thanks for the link Alan
I also need to figure out the lime/corn thing

Jesse's recipe will be worth it's weight in gold
she has recipes for as little as a coffee can up to the 10 years, mylar bag sizes

Potatoes are great and easy too, as long as it's not the only thing you're depending on, as in Ireland history, but that can be said for any one cropping

I heard on the radio (as Dennis said we could say it) someone read an email
the persons mother had grown up in grain country and just returned from a visit

this person-I don't remember if it was male/female--was trying to impress their mother with the knowledge of the grain harvest being expected to be down by some percent--I also didn't catch what percent they quoted--40 comes to mind

the knowledgable mother snorted and said she'd be surprised if they harvested 15% of a normal crop--that it looked that bad in the fields

field corn looks great here this year--although you know it has got to be gmed

my soybean trial is going great--just soybeans bought from the health food store

I read that lentils are a cool weather crop--so I'll try that again when the sweltering is over

the quinoa is looking okay
mighty small, I expected larger plants
I planted the red quinoa from the health food store, but mostly green has grown
looks an awfully lot like lambs quarters

Pepridge Farms has not gone up on their bread prices yet
see if you can run into your distributor--they usually have to stock in the mornings
they purchase the bread from PF, so the stuff off the shelves is theirs to get rid of
this lady was just throwing it in the dump

I've read where you can steam dehydrated bread ..haven't tried it though
you can also make bread pudding or egg bread with dehydrated bread..haven't tried it either

I think Summerthyme did a wheat field experiment--it's somewhere in the archives
 

psychonautbuddy

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Jesse said:
Hi Lynnie!

While I respect your choices and your comments, and agree with you wholeheartedly about potatoes, when it comes to grains I advise people to go and get my grandmother's 10-year Scotch Broth Mix recipe if you don't already have it. http://p081.ezboard.com/ftwcsfrm53.showMessage?topicID=3.topic Many here do, but too many newbies do not.

For approx. $1,500 you have food enough for a family of four for ten years.

I cooked up a batch of this "stew" and found that when the beans were finally done, the rice had overcooked, and turned everyting into a sticky glue. I had to throw it out. :kk1: :kk1: :kk1:

-Psychonautbuddy
 

Jesse

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Hmmm...

Afternoon Psychonautbuddy!

Two questions:

1. How long did you cook it for (btw - it's soup, not "stew." ;) ).

2. How much of the mixture did you use, and to what ratio of WATER?

My extended family has been using this recipe for over a hundred years, and my immediate family and the folks on this forum (and others) have been successefully using it for (approx.) four or five years now. Let's see if we can get you on the right track. I'm willing to help you in any way I can.

LOTS of love - Jesse.
 
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