ECON Gold Up over $30.00 Silver over $30.00 /reopened per Dennis

Loretta Van Riet

Trying to hang out with the cool kids.
You can buy gold. Once the majority of the world starts to trade in physical gold for their commodities and manufactured goods gold WILL go up in value. It might be a while before the average US citizen can buy 'UNITS', if indeed that is what BRIICS end's up calling it.
Will do. Of course I wish I had bought more when it was $1200 per oz, lol. Gold is what I gift my grandsons with. Let the other relatives buy all the crazy toys.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
What do they all have in common? They are rejecting the corrupt financial frauds and crimes of the G7.
Not to mention the climate change, LBGTQ+ bullying from the west just to borrow money thru SWIFT.

While the US is the main character, it's really all of the Western civilization. No other country wants that in their country.

Note all the money spent to educate Afghanistan girls. I'm not against education for girls, BUT the demand from the US and others to get this money, you have to do this ..... there is and has been a seething boiling blood under the surface forcing other countries to accept OUR Culture.

And BTW it's the same with States and the Federal payroll.

BRICS+ started out as a back lash to that, and then the sanctions on Russia for the Ukraine invasion sped that up.

India (the I in BRICS) buys oil from Russia refines it and sells it to the US. buying oil from Russia would mean 40% gold + Rupees, then when Russia wants to buy, say material from India, they pay in gold 40% and Rupees. It's not as far fetched as the west would make out like. They circumvented the sanctions and don't have to pay the premium to use dollars. Win-win. At least that is how I understand it, and the UNIT would be the method like SWIFT to do that. You financial people can click the link I posted again above to check for yourself.

This is something Trump wants to change, wants to make everything be in dollars, but I don't think he can.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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No, the UNIT is backed by 40% gold, or will be we are told. That means when a trade takes place the ownership of that gold is transfered. You've got fiat on the brain.

$35 trillion in debt and adding another $3 trillion added this year.

You do realize that means your fiat is also $35 trillion in debt and the chickens just haven't come home to roost, yes?

It might take another year or three; or it could happen in 6 months if 'Operation Sandman' is a real thing.

I am evaluating the claims of The Unit on its own, such as they are based on what you've posted. 40% gold ... supposedly though I'd like to see proof of this ... as well as 60% in fiat currencies that currently trade far down in any basket of currencies.

The value of something needs to stand on its own, not just in comparison to other like items.
 

shane

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Not interested in storing my hard-earned wealth in any future supposed gold-backed paper or digital currency that I can not easily & readily take to any bank at anytime anywhere and anonymously convert 100% of it to physical gold that I can walk out door with.

But, that’s just me…

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
-Shane
 

hd5574

Veteran Member
Will do. Of course I wish I had bought more when it was $1200 per oz, lol. Gold is what I gift my grandsons with. Let the other relatives buy all the crazy toys.
I wish I had bought more the original double eagles when they were $350 + or - each..gold coins of any size also make nice wedding gifts...much nicer than a toaster..

Johnny and Cary you both misunderstood my comment about Turkey and NATO...I don't and never have considered them a friend..
of the US....just ask our soldiers who have been attacked over there..with friends like them who needs enemies
 

school marm

Veteran Member
We still haven't bought any. But DH did win two 1-ounce coins at the company Christmas party, one coin each year, two years in a row. It was suggested by co-workers that he not try for a third year. ;)
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
I am evaluating the claims of The Unit on its own, such as they are based on what you've posted. 40% gold ... supposedly though I'd like to see proof of this ... as well as 60% in fiat currencies that currently trade far down in any basket of currencies.

The unit is supposed to be only a settlement currency between member nations that will use the metal-commodity/local currency mix. People living in the various countries still use their own national currency between themselves but the various member nations use the settlement currency for trade imbalances, etc and retain their own gold which has a vigorous inspection regime to make sure nobody is cooking the books.
 
I am evaluating the claims of The Unit on its own, such as they are based on what you've posted. 40% gold ... supposedly though I'd like to see proof of this ... as well as 60% in fiat currencies that currently trade far down in any basket of currencies.

The value of something needs to stand on its own, not just in comparison to other like items.
The value of something is what others are willing to pay or trade for it.
$340.00 1992

Funny in the early to mid 80s we spent over $500+ a ounce mining it ourselves!
I got the bug while working at PG&E in Cali. Good buddy of mine at PG&E took our families out to picnic/bbq at another work buddy of ours who owned a former gold rush camp just outside French Camp. We moved half a ton of big rocks in the stream and still couldn't get down to the sand :eek::lol:

There was another big group that spent every summer camping and gold hunting. They were shooting AR's and invited us to try them out (first time I ever shot one). While we were gabbing one guy took out a vial of nuggets. As soon as I held it I 'got the fever'.

I think gold is a magical metal. I think some of the ancients knew how to break it down to a white powder with some strange attributes. Mr. David Hudson and all that.
 
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Kathy in FL

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You can buy gold. Once the majority of the world starts to trade in physical gold for their commodities and manufactured goods gold WILL go up in value. It might be a while before the average US citizen can buy 'UNITS', if indeed that is what BRIICS end's up calling it.

Gold will go up in PRICE, not value. The value of gold is static and intrinsic. Its price is based on what fiat currency the quote comes from.
 

von Koehler

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Assuming the war criminal Putin will actually pay out (at least some of) the unit in gold, nothing has actually changed in a meaningful way.

Presently, all around the world, gold is bought and sold 24/7. Billions are exchanged daily in the New York Federal Reserve. No questions asked, no "membership" required.

Gold will always be accepted, some of these third world countries paper money not so much.
 
Gold will go up in PRICE, not value. The value of gold is static and intrinsic. Its price is based on what fiat currency the quote comes from.
If more people than 1/2 of 1% of the American people start hankering for it in the next few months, it has gone up in value. Otherwise, WHY would they want and pay for it when they didn't when it was far, far cheaper in the dying US FRN?
 
Of note..

99% of my gold was stolen and or I sold it for less than I bought it!

Same for silver. You know the pawn shops still only give $10 for a silver dollar!

It's all good. Now I have all my saved digits invested in the fed dollar at 5% interest!

:D
Find a different pawnshop. A silver dollar has .77 oz of silver in it. That comes out to over $20 based on $28 an ounce. You got any horses for sale?
 

West

Senior
Just horses. If you are selling silver dollars for $10 bucks a pop, my gut feeling is I'll do better in a horse trade with you than you get for silver dollars..................... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Right.

For newbies...

Don't buy any 28.3 gram ounces of PMs! That's not a ounce!!!!!!

A true ounce of PMs is 31.1 grams!

This needs to be headline news!

:D

See I learned the hard way in 1985. School of hard knocks.
 
Of note..

99% of my gold was stolen and or I sold it for less than I bought it!

Same for silver. You know the pawn shops still only give $10 for a silver dollar!

It's all good. Now I have all my saved digits invested in the fed dollar at 5% interest!

:D
One of my last former bosses had his stash stolen, plus a lot of guns and ammo out of a storage bin. I don't know for sure how much, but it sounded like a small ton of gold and silver was in the huge heavy safe.

If he was smart enough to watch who was watching when he unloaded it, I've always thought it was an inside job. I've known a few people who just couldn't keep their mouths shut about what they had.

His wife was then done with PM's. Too bad. If they continue to keep it in fiat, they will most likely lose it all. But that is just my opinion. I don't know for sure.
 

Southside

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Had a client lose most of his stash. To his long-time girlfriend.
He told me it was stolen, just wouldn't say who took it. After he passed, his daughters told me all the PM's were missing, and who took them.
What a piece of work.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The unit is supposed to be only a settlement currency between member nations that will use the metal-commodity/local currency mix. People living in the various countries still use their own national currency between themselves but the various member nations use the settlement currency for trade imbalances, etc and retain their own gold which has a vigorous inspection regime to make sure nobody is cooking the books.
Most of y'all know way more than I do on all this Unit, BRICS, currency yada, yada. And this article is almost off topic, but with the Meeting coming up in Oct over BRICS+ and trade and the impact it will have on the US and west and gold prices I think this article gives some insight to the overall view, which isn't available on MSM so some thinking as to the Rupee and other currencies not having any value........


Facts & Speculation About The State Of Russo-Indo Financial Ties​

by Tyler Durden
Thursday, Sep 05, 2024 - 01:00 AM
Authored by Andrew Korybko via Substack,
The financial dimension of the Russian-Indian Strategic Partnership is qualitatively evolving as a result of the fast-moving multipolar processes that were unleashed across the world by the Ukrainian Conflict.

Russia and India are decades-long strategic partners whose contemporary relations are driven by the shared desire to accelerate tri-multipolarity processes amidst the global systemic transition, which readers can learn more about here, here, and here. This role explains the importance of their ties in today’s world, especially their financial ones, of which there are some facts but plenty of speculation. Here are three relevant reports from earlier this week that’ll then be analyzed in this piece:
The first revealed that Sberbank handled 70% of Russia’s $65 billion worth of trade with India last year (mostly Russian energy exports) and opened rupee accounts for Russian clients as a means of payment and savings. Its Indian staff has surged by 150% this year alone and “There are no restrictions on its operations” inside the country. Transactions only take several hours to complete, growing Indian exports solved the prior problem of Russia’s enormous rupee stockpile, and more real-sector trade is expected.

As for the second, this concerned Business Line’s report citing unnamed sources that India is seriously considering using Russia’s System for Transfer of Financial Messages (SPFS per its Russian abbreviation). That would facilitate expanding the use of national currencies in trade according to them. In their source’s own words, “Direct settlements in national currencies will not only help in de-dollarisation but also lead to cheaper, quicker and more efficient transactions.”

The third report is the most scandalous since it involves allegedly leaked documents that purport to prove that India has clandestinely become a major source of dual-use technologies for Russia that are paid for in part using digital financial assets. It’s possible that Russia reinvested some of its enormous rupee surplus into such projects, which is its right and India’s to do per their status as sovereign states. If true, then this would make India among Russia’s most important partners anywhere in the world, ever.

Reflecting on these three reports, it can be said with confidence that the financial dimension of the Russian-Indian Strategic Partnership is qualitatively evolving as a result of the fast-moving multipolar processes that were unleashed across the world by the Ukrainian Conflict. They’ve sought to make such progress for years already but hadn’t hitherto been able to do so, yet they’re now finally making up for lost time and at an astronomical pace at that, which speaks to their shared interests in this respect.

India conceptualizes its support of the Russian economy to not only be a friendly gesture that aligns with its own self-explanatory interests, but also as a means of preemptively averting Russia’s potentially disproportionate dependence on China, which the three analyses hyperlinked in the introduction elaborate upon. Russia feels the same way, plus India has reportedly proven itself to be more reliable than China with regards to dual-use technology, at least if that last report is even only partially true.

Considering the strength of Russo-Indo financial ties, including speculation that India is defying the US’ unilateral restrictions on dual-use technology exports to Russia, there’s reason to believe that Russia might make progress on negotiating a gas swap with Iran for supplying India as explained here. If that comes to pass, then those three can supercharge tri-multipolarity processes by pioneering their own pole of influence that could expand to include Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, and the Central Asian Republics.

 
China to ignite a $1 Trillion dollar golden avalanche. BRIICS could monetize 80,000 tons of gold. Real numbers. The world is de-dollarizing and it is speeding up. This would force the West central banks to revalue gold; or cause WWIII. China is 'threatening' to 'break it's chains'.

LMBA, COMEX being drained. China also buying gold 'under the table' directly from miners or refiners. USA is not holding the cards with trade sancitions; it is accelerating gold purchasing and Treasury sales.

Gold made the only Tier 1 asset class next to USD; Jan 2023. This forces gold contracts 'have to be deliverable'. He says BRIICS, Russia and China, started working on this plan in 2013 and are finally ready to spring the unwind and manipulated Gold/Silver markets in October at the BRIICS meeting. He then quoted Bill Holter to 'get your assets OUT of the paper markets and do it soon".

Silver breakout (watch out says he) at $32.750.

Andrew McGuire
Kinesis Money, YT, 48 minutes
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGJIW9_lY_w
 

West

Senior
China still mines gold bigly. In fact they still make the big dredges. See...


We use to, here's one of the last ones still in existence if we didn't already sell it to China for scrap. Probably made in the 1940s...

This one has been abandoned and might still be in Yuba....

Yuba-Gold-Dredge-17-Lake.jpg


Think the big buckets are missing.
 

freemen

Senior Member
China still mines gold bigly. In fact they still make the big dredges. See...


We use to, here's one of the last ones still in existence if we didn't already sell it to China for scrap. Probably made in the 1940s...

This one has been abandoned and might still be in Yuba....

There is a working dredge in the Klondike seen on Gold Rush TV show this last year.
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
When they come back from PCGS I will post the results here.
So, still waiting on PCGS. Because of questions from them, one was submitted August 5 and the other August 20.

I will post the links to the two Morgan's. One is the GSA 1884 CC, and the other is a 1921 P. I'm estimating MS66+ on the CC and MS67 on the P. The caveat is a half a grade either way.

I sprang for the CAC as well. Some think that's a mistake, and it may be, but it'll be interesting.

I also purchased the online view, so you'll be able to see how accurate you think the grade is.

I'll keep you posted.
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
I will note - for new PM investors - that Silver Dollars have long held a greater premium than other types of 90% US silver coins. If (within reason) your local coin shop is charging more for their Silver Dollars than for their other types of 90% silver coins, they are not ripping you off but are following the market.

Note that, generally, when I speak of 90% silver coins, I'm talking about common, circulated coins that have no notable numismatic value. Also note that true, pristine, uncirculated examples of even the most common Silver Dollars will have much higher premiums.

There are only two common types of 20th Century Silver Dollars you need to be familiar with. These are the "Peace" Dollars and the earlier "Morgan" Dollars. As collectibles, gifts or just as a novelty to keep in your wallet, most people prefer the Morgan Dollars over the Peace Dollars.

I'll also add that there's a certain magic inherent to US Silver Dollars. People just like them. I always carry a Silver Dollar in my wallet and have since I was a teen. I've also many times closed a deal by offering to kick in a Silver Dollar and have found that the Silver Dollar has outsized bargaining power. Whether I'm trying to close a deal on a gun, a vehicle or anything else, the offer of a Silver Dollar will often close a deal where the seller and I are a hundred dollars or so apart. My "junk" Silver Dollar, which may have a fair retail value of $30 or $35 has often closed that hundred dollar gap!

As an example, after hard bargaining by both parties we find ourselves a hundred bucks apart, I might say, "OK, I'll go $XXX dollars AND I'll throw in a genuine US Silver Dollar." I'll pull out the Silver Dollar and let it ring on the desktop, counter or whatever flat surface is at hand. You'd be surprised at how many times a Silver Dollar closed a deal for me.

The 90% Silver Dollar is much more impressive than four 90% Silver Quarters or two 90% Silver Half Dollars, even though the face value and Silver content is the same

Try bargaining with a Silver Dollar sometime the next time you're trying to close a deal. I think you'll be pleased with the results.

Best
Doc
I've had similar results to yours.

However, as a prank, I'll say, "I'll bet you a Benjamin." I always make sure I'm wrong so that I can handle them a 50¢ with Ben Franklin on it.

I've offered to throw in a couple of Benjamins to close the deal. Sometimes that works.

I think it's funny as can be, but not everyone has my sense of humor.
 

Doc1

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Gold will go up in PRICE, not value. The value of gold is static and intrinsic. Its price is based on what fiat currency the quote comes from.
This is generally true, but not strictly true. Precious metals tend to overshoot or undershoot the mean, while still - more or less - maintaining a stable value.

I've lived through two precious metals bull markets and I think we're on the precipice of another one. When the PMs enter the bull and mania phases, they tend to over shoot and that's where you can make real money if you get the timing right. Most people don't.

Nonetheless, even if you don't get the timing right, holding precious metals is generally safer than holding depreciating currencies. Those who bought gold at its 1980 high of (roughly) $800 were hurt badly when it subsequently crashed. Still, they did much better than people who held certain currencies of the era, which were devalued to almost nothing.

The safest bet is to hold precious metals as an insurance policy and not to expect that they will make you rich (though they may).

Best
Doc
 

CaryC

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I feel pretty confident in saying depending on the economy gold and silver go up and down.

And there have been a lot of articles about BRICS+ and de-dollarization and doom. And I personally think there will be a split on the global scene between east and west, based on my understanding of the Bible and events in the last days. Which may be wrong. It's just an opinion and view, nothing more. So in light of that, here is a link to an article that opposes the BRICS+ Doom and de-dollarization. I thought it only fair to post a view from the other side:

I would also note that it is authored by the same guy at Substack as the article in post #349

 
I feel pretty confident in saying depending on the economy gold and silver go up and down.

And there have been a lot of articles about BRICS+ and de-dollarization and doom. And I personally think there will be a split on the global scene between east and west, based on my understanding of the Bible and events in the last days. Which may be wrong. It's just an opinion and view, nothing more. So in light of that, here is a link to an article that opposes the BRICS+ Doom and de-dollarization. I thought it only fair to post a view from the other side:

I would also note that it is authored by the same guy at Substack as the article in post #349

The world is de-dollarizing and it is speeding up. It will still take years for BRIICS financial software to be fully implemented in all those countries. However, somewhere between 89-130 countries are 'rumoured' to be applying to join BRIICS. Why? Because OBVIOUSLY they are trying to flee the tyranny of the G7 over those countries commodities.

Lavrov:

“Of course, everyone is now looking for those new opportunities. But the People’s Republic of China, with the size of its economy, with the volume of its trade relations with the United States and the West as a whole, is, of course, much more dependent on the West than the Russian economy was.

And I have no doubt that China will reduce this dependence and will gradually move toward those forms of communication with its partners that will not be associated with such a dictate.

But, given the Chinese mentality, the Chinese style, they do this slowly. They do not want any sudden movements. This topic is being discussed with our Chinese colleagues. They have a fairly well-developed banking system, and it is very deeply tied to global financial markets.”


This could take years. Unless it doesn't.

If the USA goes crazy, I mean get's seriously disrupted if the DS crashes the economy when Trump wins, or refuses to certify the election, or the millions of criminals in the USA from all around the world get the word to release the kraken, or the long predicted cyber attack on US infrastruture take place, or the USA gets really stupid and moves Nato troops directly into Ukraine, or any number of chaotic events takes place in the near future,

that could seriously disrupt the Swift system in the USA, which would also impact global trade and global relationships in an immediate fashion.

Anyway, thanks for posting that. Hit me as a 'gatekeeper' article. Be happy, all's well.
 
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This morning I listened to a podcast that quoted Eric Sprout a few times and they also mentioned a new battery design by Samsung(?). The claim is that Samsung has a new battery for EV's and other uses that can charge a car battery to 80% in 9 minutes, can move the vehicle 600 miles. It was also said that batteries had been given to a couple of EV car manufacturers to test. Every battery will need 20 oz of silver. Samsung will need 500 million ozs of silver per year according to production estimates. The world mines about 800 million ozs per year for global trade.

I'll try to listen to the actual Sprout interview on Sprout YT later and see what he actually says in full. I listened to parts of the earlier podcast while showering, so only caught bits and pieces.
 
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West

Senior
Seem to recall reading a Popular Mechanics or alike magazine piece in the 80s or 90s about super efficient silver based batteries.

IIRC... But even then they said then it wouldn't be marketable because of the price and the ability to source enough silver, etc...
 
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