CRIME Gold And Silver Buyers Beware!

fporretto

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On November 4, 2015, I ordered a large quantity of silver from Northwest Territorial Mint, a company based in Washington state. Their representative gave me a projected delivery date of January 8, 2016. I wired the payment to them later that day.

By February 12, 2016 I was concerned and more. My silver had not arrived. Neither had I received word from the vendor about why it had not been shipped. In reply to my complaint, their representative wrote back as follows:

Thank you for your inquiry. We are continuing to ship all orders in the order of payment clearance as quickly as possible. We do apologize for the extended delay and we do appreciate your patience!

At this time you do qualify for a full refund if you choose to liquidate your order. The refunded amount would be at the higher price of either the price you paid or the current market rate at the time you contact us to lock in that market price. You also have the option to have your order refunded and immediately applied to a new order. This would enter you into the shipping queue a new but also allow you to take advantage of the lower market rates we have been seeing recently. If you choose one of these options please call us at 1-800-344-6468 and let the receptionist know you are looking for a refund, they will connect you to the correct department.

If you choose to continue to wait for your order please be assured that we will ship it as quickly as possible. Based on the orders that are currently shipping, I would anticipate your order being filled within the next several weeks (approximately 5-7 weeks) or so. Please understand that this is an estimated time frame and shipment will be made at the earliest time possible.

I elected to wait, as the product I’d ordered was unavailable from other vendors.

Yesterday -- five months since the original order and payment for it – I called the vendor again. I was told that:
The person who wrote the above reply to me “had left the company;”
The company had filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy;
The owner had suffered a large judgment against him personally;
No silver would be shipped and no refund would be made.

Despite all that, as of yesterday morning Northwest Territorial Mint was still accepting orders.

Because of the steady deterioration of the dollar, an unprecedented number of Americans have begun to acquire gold and silver as protective assets. That’s attracted an unprecedented number of persons and firms into the precious-metals business. Some of those persons and firms are thieves. Unfortunately, they aren’t discovered or charged nearly as often as they should. When they are discovered, they don’t get nearly as much publicity as they should.

It appears that Ross Hansen, the owner of Northwest Territorial Mint, has been running a pyramid scheme of an unusual kind. I’m out quite a lot of money for having been taken in by it. Let my experience serve as a warning to you.
 
Read [URL="http://www.federalwaymirror.com/news/374530021.html]this article in the Federal Way Mirror [/URL] for more details. I can't post the entirety of it here owing to copyright restrictions.

Server not found on that article...
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...-Territorial-Mint-seeks-bankruptcy-protection

NorthWest Territorial Mint seeks bankruptcy protection

Sorry to hear you got caught up in this, Fran - hope it wasn't too big a bite. Probably you're out the FRN$ at this point, unless some level of settlement is reached - but customers come last usually in such things, and for pennies on the dollar if that.

The same sort of thing happened with Tulving a few years back, which had been one of the biggest and most reputable PM firms out there. With PM companies it is DEFINITELY a case of 'buyer beware.' It is CRIMINAL for them to still be taking orders, and word needs to get out they are acting in this fashion.

ETA - I couldn't find any published news on NWT Mint's problems online more than four days old...
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
http://news.goldseek.com/DollarCollapse/1459710251.php

The Pitfalls Of Buying Gold And Silver Online, And How To Avoid Them

By: John Rubino


-- Published: Sunday, 3 April 2016 | E-Mail | Print

By: John Rubino

Back in 2014, online bullion dealer Tulving shocked its many customers by suddenly failing. See Coinweek’s story: How does $40M of Gold and Silver Disappear: The Collapse of Tulving Company

Last week another one bit the dust:

NW Territorial Mint seeks bankruptcy protection

(Seattle Times) – Northwest Territorial Mint, a Federal Way company that sells precious metals and produces medals and medallions, filed for Chapter 11 protection Friday, a month after the company and its owner were hit with large jury verdicts in a defamation case.

Northwest Territorial Mint, a Federal Way company that sells precious metals and produces medals and medallions, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection Friday.

The move came a month after the company and its owner, Ross B. Hansen, were each hit with multimillion-dollar jury verdicts in a defamation and invasion of privacy lawsuit brought in Nevada by a Los Angeles businessman.

The company’s filing says it has more than 200 unsecured creditors, and its assets and liabilities both exceed $10 million. Its biggest listed debts are a $7 million judgment in favor of the businessman, Bradley Steven Cohen, and a $5.5 million judgment in favor of his firm, Cohen Asset Management, both classified as disputed.

The defamation suit claimed Northwest Territorial Mint and Hansen created anonymous websites that compared Cohen to Bernard Madoff, the Wall Street broker convicted of a massive Ponzi scheme. The lawsuit claimed the animosity stemmed from litigation by an affiliate of Cohen’s firm, which had been the mint’s landlord at an Auburn warehouse.

The federal judge’s order in the defamation case indicates the judgments against Northwest Territorial Mint and Hansen total $37 million.

This morning a DollarCollapse.com reader (and disappointed NTM customer) sent the the following:


I’ve dealt with this company many times since 2008 and was accustomed to excessive delays, but eventually did receive the ordered products. In September 2015, my wife and I placed an order and paid by credit card. At the time of order, delivery was estimated to be 6 – 8 weeks. In December, they informed us that there would be delays and this repeated in January, February and March. In early March, they told us the order would be shipped in the first week of April and instructed us to call to confirm in April. Yesterday, April 1, my wife called again and the order was still on hold – that, in fact, everything had been suspended. This made me very uneasy and this morning (April 2) we called the credit card issuer to find out what they could do to reverse the charges. Their policy limits that action to 120 days, even if the product wasn’t delivered. When the credit card company checked their information on NWT Mint, they tell us that as of April 1 NWT Mint is now under BANCRUPTCY PROTECTION. That is not good news, and I fear we have lost our $3,000+

Presumably a lot of other people are in the same boat. So here’s how to keep something similar from happening to you:
•First and foremost, don’t binge; dollar-cost-average. Customers who did all their metals buying with one big order, only to see the whole thing disappear, were devastated by NTM’s failure. But customers who placed small, regular orders were out considerably less. This is yet another reason (along with the extreme volatility of metal prices) to enter this market gradually and steadily rather than all at once.


•While your money is at risk, watch for emerging problems. From the previously-referenced Coinweek article:

Fortunately, I was suspicious. I don’t consider myself paranoid, but I do believe in Ronald Reagan’s “Trust, but verify.” I looked at the Better Business Bureau (BBB) reports, and saw a big uptick in complaints, from 1 every 6 months to 8 within 6 months. In a private forum, I wrote “So the first sign of trouble with a business like this, in my opinion, would be a noticeable change in delivery times and “juggling” orders.” At that point, I did not think they had a problem. But even if I had, I would have had no clue how monstrous a problem it would become.

Finally in September, 2013, stories started getting out about delays at The Tulving Company. Someone claimed they had sent $200,000 to Tulving five months prior, and had not received any metal yet. The problem with Internet forums, however, is that while they are great at getting information out, they are nearly anonymous. Some of the early complainers were accused of being shills from competitors. Those that had done business with Tulving before would back up the company, recalling times they had gotten their orders very quickly. Nobody really knew who or what to believe.

I decided to spend a few minutes back at the BBB website to see where things stood. There was a noticeable change this time, with 18 complaints in 2 months. Not to the point of screaming “scam!”, but enough that I really started to take notice. In the private forum I mentioned, I explained that I was confused because “it doesn’t fit what I would expect the 2 most plausible fraud scenarios to be: [1] funding his retirement, or [2] ponzi scheme funding a flashy lifestyle (ala Bernie Madoff).”

At that point, I knew there was a problem. From the many reports that Hannes was picking and choosing which orders to ship each day, I thought maybe he was simply unable to properly manage the business anymore. Perhaps he needed some extra people to help ship orders, perhaps his health had deteriorated. After 20 years of impeccable service, it was hard to imagine the worst.

What I should have focused on at the time was the length of the delays: even in June, 2013 and July, 2013, the average delays reported were 7-8 weeks. The FTC does not allow companies to take orders if they know they cannot ship it within the timeframe they specify (or 30 days, if no time is specified). And Hannes himself stated in his FAQ that he believes taking over 30 days to deliver is a futures contract, which he is not allowed to sell.

My “Aha!” moment was in October, 2013, when someone reported that she sent Tulving 220 ounces of gold to Tulving, and couldn’t get them to pay her. It’s one thing to delay bullion (there could be delays due to drop-shippers, metal shortages, insurance limits, heavy volume, etc.). But I realized that the inability to pay cash was the smoking gun, since he should have had a huge amount of money sitting in the bank from all the delayed orders.

It slowly dawned on me that The Tulving Company had a massive backlog of orders worth many millions of dollars that they would not be able to fulfill. I knew this was not going to have a pretty ending, I knew that something was terribly wrong. In a number of cases, people had trusted The Tulving Company with their life savings. Worse, I had recommended Tulving to many people over the years. I had to do something, I had to let people know.

By the end of November, The Tulving Company had racked up over 150 complaints, and by the end of 2013 they had nearly 250 complaints.

•Know the “statute of limitations” on your credit card. As the above reader found out, the order could have been cancelled via the credit card up to 120 days in. Presumably different cards offer different terms, so it’s imperative to know when this feature runs out on the card you’re using, and to take advantage of it. Cancel the payment if your metal hasn’t arrived by the expiration of the card’s protection.

•And finally, keep some perspective. Bullion dealer bankruptcies are a bit like plane crashes. They’re big news when they happen, which makes the event seem more common than it is. Dozens of reputable dealers have been delivering on time and without hassle — and without publicity — all along. So Tulving and NTM don’t justify swearing off on-line bullion buying. But they are a good reason for vigilance until that package arrives.
 
Yup, one of those times where paying the tax and higher price at the LCS makes it all worthwhile.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Thank you for the tip! They are only about 20 miles from me and I've never done business with them, but I might have, sans your warning.
 

Dosadi

Brown Coat
I only buy PM's when it is face to face and as I pass the fiat frn's to the seller, he passes me the PM's.

This it is in the mail is something I do for nothing any longer unless it is something that not getting it will not cause me great harm.

For example I ordered a knife via amazon (Well I got a friend with an account there to order something for me and I gave them frn's as they placed the order.) It Arrived in under a week and I was satisfied, but had it not arrived I was prepared for that possibility.

Be aware globally and nationally, but think and act locally is all that is left. Balkanization is coming, and nothing is going to stop it.
 

Jonas Parker

Hooligan
Northwest Territorial Mint has been notorious for slow deliveries for years. I've been using APMEX pretty much exclusively since 2003 with absolutely zero problems.
 

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
We have had nothing but positive experiences with Apmex, Provident, JMBullion, and even a smaller dealer - Silvertowne. But yes, I am aware that everything is subject to change especially in a volatile environment.

I've noticed more complaints about counterfeits, too -- mainly from online auctions, etc.

It pays to be an educated buyer -- and keep in mind, that even the best companies can have problems in the future.

Sorry you got bit, FP. That situation always sucks.
 

2x2

Inactive
Best to go to site, as info is presented in pics and links to test coins.

https://goldsilver.com/video/special-report-how-to-avoid-fake-silver-and-counterfeit-gold-products/

Special Report - How to Avoid Fake Silver & Counterfeit Gold Products

GoldSilver.com - Mike Maloney & James Anderson

If you have followed gold and silver market news over the past few years, it is likely you have seen various reports on fake gold and silver products. In March 2012, a 1 kilo tungsten gold bar turned up in the United Kingdom.

Then in September 2012 there were reports on a slew of 10 oz tungsten gold bars bought and sold in New York's jewelry district.

The big problem with these news reports is that they have given little to no solution on how the public at large can avoid fake bullion products.

We would like to raise the general awareness of this issue both with our customers, our industry, and the general gold and silver investing public at large. With more than a year of hands on research, we have identified some of the biggest fake silver and gold counterfeit threats facing the investing public today.

This Special Report on the growing threat of fake silver and counterfeit gold products will arm you with solutions on how to best avoid being ripped off by sellers of phony bullion products.

For many years in the silver bullion industry, rebuttals downplaying counterfeit product concerns would go something like this:

It is less likely that counterfeiters will make fake silver coins if they could make fake gold products or larger fake silver bars. It would also be very difficult to make high quality fake silver coins with exact weighting. Also the US gov't has very strict laws against counterfeiting making the production of private mint product fakes far more attractive for counterfeiters ( the punishment being less severe for producing private mint fake products vs gov't mint fake products ). Finally, there's just not enough profit in it for crooks to make counterfeit silver coins.

None of these arguments hold water now...

More at site.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
So they go caught falsely selling a product they never intended to provide, just take someones money and run off with it. What their doing now is gaming the system.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
So they go caught falsely selling a product they never intended to provide, just take someones money and run off with it. What their doing now is gaming the system.

Gaming the system is a little more subtle. This is theft or fraud.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
How often here have I told people to do their own due diligence? But of course, I am no "expert pundit." :D

This is what constitutes due diligence ... see post #7 also.
 

2x2

Inactive
How often here have I told people to do their own due diligence? But of course, I am no "expert pundit." :D

This is what constitutes due diligence ... see post #7 also.

Not talking about you DD, geeeezzz, i don't wanna get beat up!!! :bwl: You give good advice.
 

somdwatcher

Veteran Member
Complaints go all the way back to 2009, yet none of the so called "PM expert pundits" have ever cautioned about these scams? Shame on them.

I agree. And unfortunately that includes several bigwigs on this site. But making money and being honorable/truthful is a dicey situation if you ever get called out to be on the edge.
 

2x2

Inactive
I agree. And unfortunately that includes several bigwigs on this site. But making money and being honorable/truthful is a dicey situation if you ever get called out to be on the edge.

NOT,, not referring to anybody on this board. We're all trying to make a buck as we see fit and being comfortable doing it our way. I'm referring to the so-called "professional" gold bugs, with websites and all. Human nature, being what it is, makes it easy to be stampeded into haphazard action. But YMMV.
 

NoName

Veteran Member
I have bought silver from them several times, though not recently. So very sorry to hear you got the shaft (no pun intended).
 

AuEagle

Veteran Member
There has been discussion for years on various PM forums about NWTM's slow delivery, people received their orders eventually.

This is my observation & I have never dealt with NWTM.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Had a call earlier today from Franklin Sanders about other matters, and was able to tell him about the situation with NWTM. He hadn't heard about it from other sources yet either, but given that he puts out a regular (business day) column, he will be able to help get the news out to a wider audience also. That may help keep some other folks out of trouble.

And it may be that NWTM can pull their fat out of the fire and make the situation right with their customers ... but generally, by the time it comes to asking a court for bankruptcy protection, that ship has sailed. At this point I personally would not be ordering from them, YMMV of course. We will see how this unfortunate (for their customers) situation goes.

See http://the-moneychanger.com/commentary - Franklin's column - he's been tied up for the past few days getting the next issue of the printed newsletter out so he's a bit behind both in keeping up with the news and in getting a column out every day.

Again, see post #7 in this thread, and read the advice there. Do not approach financial matters without some knowledge of potential pitfalls...
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Just a FWIW: I have made many significant purchases over the years (both individually and for consortiums of family, friends, associates, etc.) from Just Measures Coin Shop - an advertiser here at TB2K - and Colorado Gold, with complete satisfaction and quick delivery. In any case, I still recommend that people place multiple small orders rather than single large orders. The costs are slightly more, but the risk factors are much less.

Best regards
Doc
 

2x2

Inactive
Might be of interest to PM bugs;
How premiums are set by the US Mint on PM coins.

https://www.usmint.gov/consumer/?action=americanEagles



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American Eagle Bullion Coins

Congressionally authorized, American Eagle Bullion Coins are minted by the United States Mint. They are intended to provide investors with a convenient and cost-effective way to invest in precious metals. Since their launch, American Eagles have become the world's number one bullion coin investment products.

The United States Mint does not sell its bullion coins directly to the public. Instead, we distribute the coins in bulk, through a network of official distributors called "Authorized Purchasers" who, in turn, sell them to secondary retailers.

To become a United States Mint Authorized Purchaser of gold, silver, or platinum bullion coins, your firm must meet certain financial and professional criteria.

Criteria is based on metal type. See if your firm qualifies for bulk purchasing of:

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Prices for American Eagles are based on the prevailing price of platinum, gold, and silver, plus a modest premium to cover minting, distribution, and marketing costs. Prices may change on a daily basis, as the platinum, gold, and silver markets fluctuate.
Silver Eagles

United States Mint's Authorized Purchasers are charged the price of silver plus $2.00 per coin premium.
Minimum ordering requirement: 25,000 coins

Gold Eagles

Premiums are as follows:
1 ounce: 3%
1/2 ounce: 5%
1/4 ounce: 7%
1/10 ounce: 9%
Minimum ordering requirement: 1,000 ounces

Platinum Eagles

A 4% premium is charged for the 1 ounce coin.
Minimum ordering requirement: 1,000 ounces.

For further information, call the United States Mint Bullion Program at (202) 354-6829. Or write:

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Washington, DC 20220
 

freemen

Senior Member
Tulving almost got me. They kept delaying so I increased the pressure calling more every week but got a quick response when I filed a complaint with Better Business Bureau and threatened more elsewhere. Guess they were afraid it would accelerate the collapse if wider complaints were seen. I told another member at the time they where having problems and to avoid. 6 months later they were gone.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
these seven other Dealers

Of the seven listed there, all are relative newcomers save KITCO and APMEX. I have dealt with APMEX for some specialty item small purchases, KITCO I have little use for and wouldn't deal with for purchases for any reason ever.

FWIW...
 

2x2

Inactive
these seven other Dealers

Of the seven listed there, all are relative newcomers save KITCO and APMEX. I have dealt with APMEX for some specialty item small purchases, KITCO I have little use for and wouldn't deal with for purchases for any reason ever.

FWIW...

Doz; thanks for the reply.
What about Monex???
If you got the time, follow me on this. On silver.com the silver eagle best price is
$17.77, https://comparesilverprices.com/

On Monex silver eagle $17.44. http://www.monex.com/liveprices/

Opinion?
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
If you are lonely call MONEX, you'll never pass another week without a phone call or mail from them. They want you to leverage into some huge position in PMs, not just buy what you can afford and pay for that in full, take delivery and be done.

Not my cuppa tea, I made the mistake of calling them once years ago and they didn't leave me alone till after I moved and changed my phone number.
 

2x2

Inactive
If you are lonely call MONEX, you'll never pass another week without a phone call or mail from them. They want you to leverage into some huge position in PMs, not just buy what you can afford and pay for that in full, take delivery and be done.

Not my cuppa tea, I made the mistake of calling them once years ago and they didn't leave me alone till after I moved and changed my phone number.

Love true life. :lol: Does their price make sense in your opinion compared to Silver.com?
Thanks, Got three cell phones. I'll call them on the 3rd. one.
 

sunny225

Membership Revoked
Just a FWIW: I have made many significant purchases over the years (both individually and for consortiums of family, friends, associates, etc.) from Just Measures Coin Shop - an advertiser here at TB2K - and Colorado Gold, with complete satisfaction and quick delivery. In any case, I still recommend that people place multiple small orders rather than single large orders. The costs are slightly more, but the risk factors are much less.

Best regards
Doc

I have had a couple of deals made with Just Measures Coin Shop also. NattyBumppo is very good to work with.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Does their price make sense in your opinion compared to Silver.com?

The lowest price is not always the lowest cost. You have to take shipping and insurance into consideration as well, among other factors.

I prefer to by local and sell local when I can, especially silver. Large quantities of solver are HEAVY and costly to mail/insure, more so now than before due to changes in postal regulations.

A $1000 face value bag of junk silver (715 ounces) weighs almost 55 pounds, for example. One of the problems with silver is that you get so much for your money...
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19950118&slug=2100088

Tarnished Metals Dealer Makes Comeback -- Auburn Man Says Kent Police, City `Ruined My Life'

By Danny Westneat

Wednesday, January 18, 1995 - Page updated at 12:00 AM

AUBURN - Ross Hansen - convicted tax cheat, suspected drug-money launderer and confirmed government hater - is back in town after nearly three years in federal prison.

The flamboyant precious-metals dealer is hardly laying low.

He has sued the city of Kent for $2.5 million, saying its police officers violated his constitutional rights and drove him out of business five years ago as they chased one of the largest drug busts in King County history.

He allegedly has threatened the Kent Police officer who arrested him at the time, as well as an angry customer who claims Hansen bilked him of $21,000. Hansen says he has done nothing of the kind.

And in typical bravado, despite his business bankruptcy and what he says are more than $200,000 in legal fees, Hansen, 34, last fall restarted his mint in Auburn, which makes decorative coins and medallions.

"It's been a catastrophe, and my reputation is trashed," Hansen said. "But I decided to just come right back into the lion's den.

"Some people here think I'm a dope peddler or a pothead or worse," he said. "But when I was sitting around in prison, I decided I wanted to come back here, build this business and be a contributing member of the community."

It may be hard for some longtime residents to imagine Ross Hansen contributing to anything but controversy.

He dazzled friends and relatives by starting Auburn Precious Metals in 1981 at age 20, building it and the Northwest Territorial Mint into a silver- and gold-coin operation with $2 million a year in sales and 30 employees by 1988.

But the businessman also had a penchant for defying the law, angering some of his customers and openly fighting with the government.

In 1985 Hansen sued Auburn over the city's plan to tax his business and others to build a parking lot he said his customers wouldn't use. He lost.

Two years later, Hansen was arrested by an agent from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms when he tried to sell two machine guns. He served no jail time but, as a felon, was banned from owning weapons.

Then, in June 1989, Kent Police pulled off the largest drug bust ever in South King County, shutting down a Kent marijuana-growing operation and seizing more than a ton of the drug, valued at $5.4 million, as well as $600,000 in silver, gold and palladium.

The financial trail led to Auburn and Ross Hansen. He had sold the drug dealer, Ray Hendrickson, almost all of the precious metals. Kent Police suspected Hansen had knowingly laundered up to $1 million in drug money for Hendrickson by taking large cash payments and structuring them into smaller bank deposits. A dozen officers toting shotguns stormed Hansen's downtown office.

They jailed Hansen for five days. They seized his sales shop, his mint, many of his personal belongings, some guns, several cars and two homes. They took the contents of safe-deposit boxes belonging to nearly 300 customers. They occupied Hansen's businesses for weeks as they sifted through his records and tried to sell off his houses.

But the case never led to charges against Hansen.

Police say they got hung up on a technicality.

In 1989 a new state law was passed that expanded police authority to search drug-related businesses. When police searched Hansen's business, they say, they found evidence that Hansen was profiting from drug money. But they couldn't show Hansen had violated the law during the few months it had been in effect.

"We could only show that he had broken the law in the past, before 1989," said Capt. Chuck Miller, the Kent officer who arrested Hansen.

A judge ruled the new law couldn't be applied retroactively and threw out Kent's case.

Court files show that employees at Auburn Precious Metals said Hansen referred to Hendrickson as "my pot farmer." Further, the drug dealer used to come into the silver and gold shop carrying cash in a paper bag that smelled pungent, like marijuana, employees said in court papers.

Still, even though a judge initially had given Kent Police permission to raid the businesses, two judges later that year ruled the city could not justify the raid and ordered all of Hansen's property returned.

Former Kent city administrator Ed Chow acknowledged in an internal memo that Kent Police had bungled the raid, court records show.

Hansen didn't emerge unscathed. The following year, the federal government used financial records obtained in the raid to charge him with avoiding federal tax-reporting requirements. He also illegally had a gun.

Hansen pleaded guilty to the charges and was sent to federal prison for nearly three years.

But he insists he was not guilty and pleaded guilty only because "the IRS had a gun to my head." Now that he's back, he says he has a score to settle with the city.

"I was denied my personal property, they put my businesses in bankruptcy, and they didn't have a single piece of evidence I was involved in any drug operation," Hansen said. "They ruined me. Even my wife left me over this."

Hansen's $2.5 million suit against the city was denied in King County Superior Court last fall, when a judge essentially ruled that Kent may have wrongly seized the businesses but that the city had been granted a legitimate warrant to do so. The case is expected to be heard in the Court of Appeals this spring. Written arguments were due to be filed this week.

Hansen and his attorneys say the case shows what they call the illegal lengths police sometimes go to in searching suspected drug operations and seizing assets.

"Look, they can rant and rave all they want about how Mr. Hansen is not a good person, but it doesn't change the fact they seized his property without due process of the law," said Tom Ferguson, Hansen's attorney. "They violated the Constitution. It's that serious."

In the meantime, a verbal war is escalating between Hansen and the city. Last month, he showed up at a City Council meeting demanding the city return some personal items seized five years ago, including coins, a pilot's log and a passport. The city has refused, arguing Hansen's creditors own the items now.

Although city officials say they are not monitoring Hansen since his return, they are worried about threats they allege he has made.

"Apparently he has a fantasy to kidnap me, take me out in the woods, chain me to a tree, torture me and leave me to die," said Miller.

"He also has a plan to fly over City Hall in a helicopter and drop homemade bombs."

Details of the alleged threats were reported by Hansen's ex-wife in sworn testimony taken as part of Hansen's lawsuit against the city.

Miller said Hansen has threatened him directly, telling him "I'd better watch out, he'll get even with me."

A former customer of Auburn Precious Metals, Orville Mallot, said Hansen has threatened to "maim me, put me in the hospital." Mallot and two other customers who claim Hansen bilked them of thousands of dollars have sued to try to recover their money.

"That guy is a fast talker and a complete fraud," said Margaret Sched, an Auburn woman who paid Hansen $20,100 in 1989 but has never received the silver and palladium she thought she was buying.

None of this talk seems to faze Ross Hansen. He's back and here to stay, he said, buoyed by people who believe in him. One financier, local businessman Dave Anderson, has lent Hansen more than $70,000 to restart the mint.

Hansen is on probation from federal prison and argues if he really had threatened to kill anyone, he'd be back in prison immediately.

"The city is trying to smear me," Hansen said. "They'll do anything to discredit me because they've made such fools of themselves in my case."

One King County judge agreed that Kent officials have gone too far in their attacks on Hansen. Last year Judge Carol Schapira ordered the city and its lawyers to stop calling Hansen's probation officer and the federal Bureau of Prisons.

Hansen said the city was spreading rumors about him, trying to get him sent back to prison, while the city's lawyers said they were simply advising the government of Hansen's alleged threats.

In the meantime, Hansen suggests his critics use a little something he admits lacking at times: perspective.

"Look what I was convicted of. I didn't rape any children. I didn't sell any drugs. I didn't beat anybody up.

"They charged me with failure to file currency-transaction reports. You ask most people what that means and they don't even know.

"The bottom line is that the city of Kent put me out of business and ruined my life. If anybody has been wronged around here, it's me."

Published Correction Date: 01/20/95 - Items Seized By Police In A 1989 Raid Involving Ross Hansen Of Auburn Included Two Businesses, Personal Belongings, Some Guns And A Business Car. Police Searched Hansen's Home And A Second Car. This Story Incorrectly Stated What Was Seized.
 
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Milk-maid

Girls with Guns Member
This is the 3rd bullion company to go under in bad circumstances

Tulving
Bullion Direct
and now Northwest Territorial Mint

That person who shall not be named, who has a website and sells PMs has said over the years, if the deal seems to good to be true, it IS.
He's warned over and over again about PM dealers who sell so low to try and beat competitors, that they are going to go under.

MM
 

twobarkingdogs

Veteran Member
Buy from one of the big vendors on ebay and pay with a credit card. You'll be protected and get ebay points for future use also.
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
Precious anything is always a F2F encounter Miami Vice Style less the slicked back long hair.
 
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