ECON FUNG RED *.*Economic Implications Concerning The Closing of the Strait of Hormuz

KFhunter

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Here, in our area of Mississippi, our firewood costs us $200/cord. We already have around 3 1/2 years worth under roof, and 2 more cords on the way to make up for what we've used this winter. It's cheaper than propane, here. Wood heat is our main source of heat.

In Mississippi 3.5 years of firewood might be a few weeks up here, maybe a month, I’m not sure. How many cord is that? 8x8x4

We don’t have much hardwoods either although western larch is considered a hardwood and is prized firewood, but mostly we see Fir species.

6 to 8 cord I think is what most folks use in a year, so three and a half years would be what 20+ cord?

I buy propane at $1.18 low and as much as $2.25 high and use on average 400 gallons, so roughly $800 is what I try to stay under, sometimes a bit more sometimes a bit less. A cord of wood is more than $200 here depending on quality and what’s expected for labor and how well split it is.

So I’m definitely ahead on using propane.


Oh and the eco-Nazi’s are forever trying to ban wood heat, especially during certain weather conditions where particulates hang around and build up.
 

SouthernBreeze

TB Fanatic
In Mississippi 3.5 years of firewood might be a few weeks up here, maybe a month, I’m not sure. How many cord is that? 8x8x4

We don’t have much hardwoods either although western larch is considered a hardwood and is prized firewood, but mostly we see Fir species.

6 to 8 cord I think is what most folks use in a year, so three and a half years would be what 20+ cord?

I buy propane at $1.18 low and as much as $2.25 high and use on average 400 gallons, so roughly $800 is what I try to stay under, sometimes a bit more sometimes a bit less. A cord of wood is more than $200 here depending on quality and what’s expected for labor and how well split it is.

So I’m definitely ahead on using propane.


Oh and the eco-Nazi’s are forever trying to ban wood heat, especially during certain weather conditions where particulates hang around and build up.

9 1/2 to 10 cords would last us about 3 1/2 years. We go through around 2 1/2-3 cords a winter, depending on how cold it gets. Our firewood is all hard oak. Buying 3 cords this year to make up for what we used this winter will run us around $600. If we use all propane, it's around $1,800+. We went the cheaper route. Up until this year, all our firewood has been free, since Cary cut, split, and stacked it himself. Age takes its toll, though.

As for the eco nuts banning wood heat, we'll have to cross that bridge should it ever happen.
 

doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
Got a link?

JUST TO BE CLEAR:

I have concluded that most folks, especially myself, do DO NOT wish for a collapse(or downturn) of any kind...whatsoever. However, I do believe, wholeheartedly, that preparing for hard times is still essential....JUST in case! Your preps--both mental, physical and spiritual could be a commodity that cushions any future untoward events.No guarantees! Just tools in your prepper tool box.

Note1: when exploring one's roots..
always discard the seeds and stems.

Note2: My motto...in all endeavors...Try your best.
 
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SouthernBreeze

TB Fanatic
Insulation is often overlooked and under valued as a prep.
We rock wooled the entire house and went from 6 cord to 2.5 cord.
My 6 cord woodshed now gives me 2 years or more and that saves time/money/labor.

We've always had several year's worth of firewood under roof just like any of our other preps. We don't like JIT deliveries. That firewood is used in rotation, like other preps. Oldest is used first.
 

Old Greek

Veteran Member
Insulation is often overlooked and under valued as a prep.
We rock wooled the entire house and went from 6 cord to 2.5 cord.
My 6 cord woodshed now gives me 2 years or more and that saves time/money/labor.
Agree - We foamed the entire house - 6 inches in walls. 20 plus inches under roof deck - 4 inches of closed cell on all foundation walls. Triple pane windows and doors. Heating and cooling went down by 80%. ( prior insulation was zero - 180 year old home )
 

vector7

Dot Collector
A lot of panic going around...

LIBERAL TIKTOKER BLAMES TRUMP FOR GAS PRICES WHILE HIS ENTIRE ACCOUNT IS ABOUT INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL

A liberal TikToker whose entire account is about international travel posted "But I thought Trump was gonna reduce our gas prices with all that oil from Venezuela?" with the hashtags #antitrump #antimaga #liberal.

Gas is up 82 cents since the Iran war started, which is a real problem, but maybe the guy whose whole personality is flying around the world should sit out the carbon footprint lecture.

Also Venezuela's oil was cut off because we sanctioned a dictator, but reading past a headline is hard.

Always Drink, and Cry, Responsibly.

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View: https://twitter.com/CheersToTears/status/2034320446011670591
 

King Samson

I'm Here
I have concluded that most folks, especially myself, do DO NOT wish for a collapse(or downturn) of any kind...whatsoever. However, I do believe, wholeheartedly, that preparing for hard times is still essential....JUST in case! Your preps--both mental, physical and spiritual could be a commodity that cushions any future untoward events.No guarantees! Just tools in your prepper tool box.
What's that got to do with asking him to post a link from where he's getting his "information" from??

Or, do you believe everything you read on the Internet?
 

dunebuggy

Senior Member

Qatar's Largest LNG Hub Damaged In Iran Retaliation​


(we're skirting major disasters now - this is the largest LNG export facility in the world. It appears "100% military degradation" doesn't mean what it used to mean. )


Qatar Confirms New Wave of Missile Strikes on Energy

After the earlier Israeli strikes on Iran's Pars gas field, Iran's vowed 'retaliation' appears underway, as QatarEnergy has confirmed a wave of missiles on Ras Iaffan Industrial City. Extensive damage has been reported, in what looks according to early reporting to be a significant cross-Gulf attack on Qatar LNG. Emergency services are responding to a fire at the site.

Saudi Arabia has also reported inbound drone action, targeting a gas facility. Fox's Trey Yingst writes, "This is a major development. Qatari officials spoke out about the strikes earlier today against Iran’s South Pars field over concern that Iran could target their energy infrastructure in response. Ras Laffan is the largest liquefied natural gas export facility in the world."

BREAKING: A fire has broken out at Qatar’s Ras Laffan refinery following an Iranian attack. The Ras Laffan complex is home to the world’s largest liquefied natural gas (LNG) facility. pic.twitter.com/4XfO4vA9gA
— World Source News (@Worldsource24) March 18, 2026

more at the link...
 

doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic

Qatar's Largest LNG Hub Damaged In Iran Retaliation​


(we're skirting major disasters now - this is the largest LNG export facility in the world. It appears "100% military degradation" doesn't mean what it used to mean. )


Qatar Confirms New Wave of Missile Strikes on Energy

After the earlier Israeli strikes on Iran's Pars gas field, Iran's vowed 'retaliation' appears underway, as QatarEnergy has confirmed a wave of missiles on Ras Iaffan Industrial City. Extensive damage has been reported, in what looks according to early reporting to be a significant cross-Gulf attack on Qatar LNG. Emergency services are responding to a fire at the site.

Saudi Arabia has also reported inbound drone action, targeting a gas facility. Fox's Trey Yingst writes, "This is a major development. Qatari officials spoke out about the strikes earlier today against Iran’s South Pars field over concern that Iran could target their energy infrastructure in response. Ras Laffan is the largest liquefied natural gas export facility in the world."



more at the link...
Gasoline in SLM is $3.99 per gallon for regular. Whether these prices are short term or long term long term ...all I can say is OUCH!!!
 

TFergeson

Non Solum Simul Stare

Everything, Everywhere, All at Once

Everything's fine. Truly. Nothing to see here.

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Let me start with a number. In 1980, when the Iran-Iraq war disrupted global oil supply, the volume lost was around 4 million barrels per day. Painful. The world went into recession. Volcker raised rates to 20% to kill inflation. It nearly killed the economy in the process. We called it a crisis and we meant it.

The current Hormuz blockade is running at roughly 20 million barrels per day.

The futures market, in its infinite wisdom, is pricing a quick resolution.

Trump says the war is “basically over”. His Defence Secretary says it’s “only just the beginning”. One of them presumably has read the intelligence reports. The other has a golf course booked.

That’s the pin.

But that’s not the bubble.
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My estimation where mines are likely placed (from “War is Peace”)
Even in the most optimistic scenario - ceasefire tomorrow, everybody shakes hands - the Maersk CEO noted it takes at least ten days after a ceasefire for tanker insurance to clear. Then mine-clearing: Iran has been laying mines in the Strait, and removing them will take weeks to months. Then tankers reposition, loads getting secured, and finally the flow resumes. The oil futures curve is pricing step five as if it follows step one with a 48-hour lag.

It cannot physically happen on that timeline.

And Iran isn’t just shooting wildly at targets. Yesterday, Fujairah - the world-class bunkering hub sitting outside the Strait, the bypass everyone assumed would soften the blow - has been deliberately targeted. Tehran isn’t just closing Hormuz. It’s also closing the workarounds. One by one. Iran got fed up and decided to take down the imposed sanctions one way or another. And USrael just gave them the ultimate excuse.

If you’ve been reading my silver papers, you know there is a gap. A gap I call “PvP”… No not the gaming term. The Paper vs Physical.

And oh boy. Is it screaming!! Brent futures in New York closed Friday at $104. Elevated but ok-ish. Dubai crude - you know, the real physical oil, real barrels, real buyers - was trading around $127-140. Normally Brent commands a premium over Dubai. Now Dubai is $37 above the paper. And that’s just crude. Bunker fuel in Singapore hit $140 per barrel this week. In Fujairah, $160. High-grade marine fuel, $175. Ships burning fuel right now are paying those prices regardless of what the futures strip says in New York.

Silver at a $12 premium to Shanghai? pffff Silver… Amateur hour compared to oil!

If you’ve read Strait to Brrrrr, none of this is surprising. Paper price is massaged. The New York futures desk is clearly on something the physical buyers aren't.

However this started, this isn’t a military confrontation anymore. I’m even starting to doubt it ever was. The Strait stays closed, oil stays elevated. Oil stays elevated, inflation stays elevated. Inflation stays elevated, the Fed cannot cut. The Fed cannot cut, and $36 trillion in federal debt - already costing $880 billion a year in interest before the war added a billion dollars a day to the tab - gets rolled over at rates that make it progressively less serviceable. The dollar weakens under that strain. A weaker dollar makes the next barrel of imported oil more expensive in dollar terms. Which feeds back into inflation. Which keeps the Fed pinned.

It’s a loop. Iran just needs to keep the strait closed long enough for it to complete a few rotations. The bond market has noticed. Treasury yields are rising in the middle of a geopolitical crisis - not falling. Capital isn’t fleeing to bonds. It’s fleeing to gold. That is a verdict on the US fiscal position.

Trump knows the physical reality, which is why last week he called Putin. The country America has been sanctioning for four years. The one it branded an aggressor, a pariah, an enemy of the liberal world order. He called to ask for help. Then he went further and lifted Russian oil sanctions outright. A Democratic Senator responded with perhaps the best summary of the year: “Looks like we fought Iran and Russia won”.

What else? The IEA approved a record 400 million barrel reserve release. Bessent telegraphed futures market intervention to cap prices. Russian sanctions lifted. Each one a gesture. On my feed someone quoted: “The oil market is massively short of supply. The other options the administration has, other than ending the war, are actually pretty limited”. Woops.
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That’s the pin. But actually, the pin in itself doesn’t matter. Really truly doesn’t matter. What does matter greatly however, is WHAT it pricked…


In 1980, US federal debt stood at 26% of GDP. Today it’s 120%. That’s the difference between the same shock hitting a healthy patient and hitting someone already on oxygen. The Volcker treatment that worked then is structurally unavailable now. But don’t worry! These are the same people who called inflation transitory. I'm sure they've got it. This time.

The interest bill on existing debt is already $880 billion a year, more than defence, more than Medicare. Rates at 20% on $37 trillion would cost more than the entire federal budget in interest payments alone. That lever doesn’t exist anymore.


What exists instead is $846 trillion in notional OTC derivatives. Up from $108 trillion in 2000. An eightfold expansion in 25 years, and mid ‘24 → ’25 was the largest growth rate at 16% since 2008.

To put that number in some kind of human context: $846 trillion is roughly eight times the entire global GDP. With 1% of it you could buy every company in the S&P 500 twice over. With 0.01% you could buy Warren Buffett. With a rounding error - 0.0001% - a superyacht, a sports franchise, and a small Caribbean island, and you’d still have 99.9999% left. Nobody has this money, of course. Nobody owns $846 trillion. It’s the notional value of bets stacked on top of bets - leverage and hedges and derivatives daisy-chained to other derivatives. It nets out in normal conditions. In abnormal conditions, “nets out” becomes “finds out”.

Buffett called them ‘weapons of mass financial destruction’ in 2003. The book was $85 trillion then.

The bulk of the current book - around $548 trillion - is interest rate derivatives. All of it priced on a world where oil is $70 and rates are roughly stable. Guess what just happened? Oil exploding (quite literally at times) make counterparties not being able to meet margin calls (guess why gold and silver are trembling so much) and that failure cascades through the chain.

The private credit system was already the weakest link before the war. I covered the gating wave in my previous article so I’m not going to repeat it here, but the language from people who are in the know got pretty alarming. Mohamed El-Erian reached for Bear Stearns 2007 as his reference point. Dimon started talking about cockroaches. Dimon… Talking about cockroaches… The Treasury Secretary himself said he was ‘concerned’ about private credit. When the man responsible for placing a trillion dollars per quarter in new debt publicly expresses concern about the credit system he depends on to function, well… I’ll leave it at that.

Think the gating’s bad? Let me reassure you *evil grin*. One in five companies in the Russell 3000 cannot service their debt from current income. Over half of all investment grade paper is a single downgrade from junk. $5 trillion in corporate debt rolls over in the next four years at current rates, into a war-driven inflationary environment the Fed cannot cut its way out of. The losses are in there. Just not visible yet. When they surface, the institutions holding private credit will face redemption pressure at exactly the moment public markets are offering their best entry points since 2022 /s. Nah, just kidding. They dump whatever they can. Anything, just about anything unrelated with their illiquid portfolio will be hit. You've seen this movie before. Gold fell when Iran struck. Silver fell. Same mechanics, a tad larger. Think ‘08 or ‘00 on steroids.

Now picture what happens when the equity markets start to move. The S&P 500 closed up 1% on Sunday night. The Dow gained 388 points. Meanwhile, fertiliser benchmarks are up 25-44% in seventeen days. Think food. Helium has doubled. Think chips - not the edible ones. Pharmaceutical feedstock pipelines are depleting. The wall between the financial “economy” and the real one is still holding. Walls do that, right until they don’t.

Passive investing fueled a bull market — and could bring it down
When people need cash fast, they sell what’s liquid. ETFs are the most liquid thing in the world. They sell indiscriminately - tech, gold miners, silver, and just about anything else. You don’t sell what you want to sell. You sell what has a bid. And passive investment? Volume wise, ETFs are like 60% of US equity markets (2024). In 1996 that was only 6%. Which means that when selling starts it’s mechanical. No analysis. No discrimination. Every ETF holder hitting the same exit through the same small door at the same time.

Think of “Liberation Day” as a test run. First-ever simultaneous crash in stocks, bonds, and the dollar - the thing that was supposed to go up when everything else went down.

Tie into that the 401k withdrawals that hit a record high this week. The passive investment machine is leaking from the bottom while demographics drain it from the top.

Feeling comfortable yet? *super evil grin*
 

TFergeson

Non Solum Simul Stare
Graph Shows US Births Decline Over 50 Years - Newsweek
Underneath all of this, slower than any war and more permanent than any crisis, is something the financial press doesn’t really mention:

People aren’t having any children.

US fertility hit an all-time low in 2024. The general fertility rate is still falling. IMPLAN puts 1.4 million fewer Americans contributing to housing demand, retail spending, and service consumption in 2025 than trends would have predicted. To put that in numbers: $104 billion in GDP. Not exactly gone, not really disappeared. It just never existed in the first place.

It’s a vicious circle: housing is too expensive, so young people delay children. Fewer children means less future housing demand. Which should eventually reduce prices, except the lag is 20-30 years, and in the meantime housing stays expensive, so the people who couldn’t afford a house still can’t, still don’t have children, and the loop tightens at its own pace regardless of what the Fed does or what happens somewhere in the narrow waterways in exotic places.

Added: the boomers are saying bye sayonara.

The generation that inflated every asset class for 40 years through automatic 401k contributions is, somewhere around now, flipping from net buyers to net sellers. Of course it’s impossible to say like “March, 17: boomers start to cash out their 401ks”… Nope, the tide just turns. The same passive machine that provided an inexorable, automatic bid for equities and bonds and real estate - every payday, every year, for four decades - begins to redeem. Quietly. Continuously. For the next twenty-some years. Every asset they inflated on the way up faces a headwind on the way out. Not a crash. A long, grinding, demographically-inevitable ratchet.

Another angle I want to cover is the petrodollar. I covered this already in “The Bretton Whoops”. But the short version is: oil was priced in dollars, dollars were recycled into Treasuries, and the US military keeps the Gulf safe. It required two things - a reliable dollar and a credible security guarantee. The dollar’s reliability cracked in 2022 when Washington froze Russia’s reserves. The security guarantee cracked when the US started a war they cannot finish.

The dollar’s share of global FX reserves has since fallen to around 45%, the lowest since the 1990s. Gold’s share has quadrupled in twelve years. Gulf states are reportedly discussing pulling investment commitments from the US.

And now Iran has done something structurally interesting. It didn’t just close the Strait - it converted it into a tollgate. The toll isn’t money - yet. It’s alignment. Ten countries have been offered safe passage: China, India, Pakistan, Turkey, and others. The US isn’t on the list. This isn’t a military tactic. It’s economical.

Lots of people have the wrong framing. They think “petrodollar is dead, long live the yuandollar”. Right? Wrong frame entirely. China doesn’t want a reserve status. Couldn’t stomach it if it tried. Because a reserve currency means running a permanent trade deficits to pump your currency into the global system - America has been doing this for 50 years and the reward is a rust belt, a $37 trillion debt tab, and a bond market that needs foreigners to keep showing up or the whole thing seizes. China watched that happen and said: 不用了,谢谢. And opening the capital account enough to make yuan genuinely reserve-worthy would mean letting money flow freely across the border - ending the CCP’s ability to direct credit and control the financial system on Beijing’s terms. They’d sooner eat the wallpaper.

What the yuan-for-oil arrangement being implemented actually is, is an industrial policy dressed as currency diplomacy. You sell your oil into the permitted lane. You receive yuan. Now you’re sitting on yuan in a system with capital controls - you can’t just convert it and park it wherever you like. Your options are: buy Chinese goods, buy Chinese infrastructure contracts, invest in Chinese assets. That flow cycles straight back into Chinese factories and Chinese employment. China doesn’t have to stimulate its domestic consumption anymore. It exports the demand problem onto its trading partners and invoices it as a geopolitical arrangement. Three hundred million jobs - and unlike the US - no helicopter money required.

Those dollars that used to flow into Treasuries don’t just suddenly rush home. They just stop showing up at the next auction. Treasury needs to place roughly a trillion dollars every hundred days. Fewer buyers means higher yields. Higher yields mean the Fed is cornered. A cornered Fed means the printer runs. Same mechanism as demographics, same mechanism as the derivatives book, same direction.

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My long-running conviction - and I’ve been saying this long enough that it stopped sounding contrarian and started sounding obvious - is that the world ends up back on a gold standard. Not the romanticised version where you rattle coins in your pocket. Though honestly, with modern payment rails, a gold-backed account is functionally identical to a dollar account. You’d never touch the metal. You’d just change the ticker from USD to XAU and carry on. The technology exists right now. The obstacle isn’t infrastructure. It’s that the people running the current system would rather light themselves on fire.

What happens first, before any grand declaration, is narrower: gold becomes the settlement layer between sovereigns who no longer trust each other’s paper. The US is apparently net-settling its trade deficit with China in gold - if that data holds up. In three of the last four months it seems that gold is flowing East. No Bretton Woods conference. No announcement. Just two countries quietly deciding that when the paper gets complicated, the metal clears the table. That’s how monetary systems actually change - not by proclamation but by practice, one bilateral settlement at a time, until enough of them are doing it that someone calls a conference to ratify what’s already happened. The Bretton Woods conference didn’t create the dollar system. It formalised what the war had already decided.

The next conference is coming. It just hasn’t been scheduled yet.



Silver. Because I can’t write a piece about systemic fragility without it, and because this week’s data is worth your attention even if the price chart isn’t.

The paper price looks terrible. Miners are trading like silver is heading back to $40. Silver Santa - one of the accounts I follow on Twitter (yeah, I’m old) - moved 40% to cash, describing “a strong pre-COVID feeling”. The technical picture is ugly.

But the crucial part: the physical reality didn’t get that memo.

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The COMEX “run rate to zero” ticked down to 89 days as of Friday, from 93 days on Thursday. Four days burned in one. The SGE briefly stopped publishing silver inventory data mid-week, then quietly resumed. Shanghai is still paying a 13-17% premium over London. The same paper/physical divergence playing out in oil is running in silver at a slower pace with a much longer fuse.

But what does a draining vault have to do with your savings account?

More than most people think. The COMEX sets the global silver price. But if the COMEX increasingly doesn’t have the physical metal - and the run rate suggests it won’t for long - then the price it sets is a fiction. An unallocated silver account at your bank is a claim on that fiction. An ETF share is a claim on that fiction. When the fiction and the physical reality eventually converge, it won’t be because the paper comes up to meet the physical. It’ll be because the paper can no longer pretend.

Same mechanism as Dubai crude. Same mechanism as the derivatives book. Just a slower fuse.

When $68 trillion in US equity markets eventually moves - and it will - and the indiscriminate ETF selling hits everything, and the margin calls cascade through a derivatives book built on assumptions that no longer hold, and zombie companies start defaulting, and the boomer redemptions add their steady mechanical pressure, and 401k hardship withdrawals accelerate - the question of where capital goes becomes very concrete. Bonds? Already struggling to absorb a trillion per quarter. Cash? In which currency? Real estate? In a demographically challenged market with rising yields?

Gold has a structural bid from central banks who drew their conclusions in 2022 and have been buying ever since. Silver has vaults on an 89-day countdown and a paper price that hasn’t caught up yet.

I’m buying the dips. Have been. Will continue.

(A small aside: I’m considering opening a dedicated Substack to document my trades in real time - with a ten-minute lag - for those who want to follow the positions, not just the analysis. The analysis stays here, free.)

None of this is hidden. None of it requires a security clearance or even a Bloomberg terminal. It’s all there, in the vault data, the yield curves, the fertility statistics, the derivatives book, the bunker fuel prices. The information exists. The pattern is legible.

The question was never whether this would happen.

The question was always who would be holding paper when it did.

Tomorrow, Powell walks to the podium. He’ll probably have a new acronym handy. They always do. TALF, TARP, BTFP, BTFD, YOLO, CTRLP. Each crisis gets a fresh name but the same printer.

Maybe a new suggestion: EEAO

 

orion41

Contributing Member
HERE IS EXACTLY WHAT CHINA WILL DO TO TAIWAN IN THE NEXT 90 DAYS This is not a guess. This is pattern recognition. China just circled Taiwan with 26 warplanes and 7 warships. They deployed 2,000 vessels to block the East China Sea. They just raised their military budget again at the Two Sessions meeting. America is deep in Iran with no exit. Here is what WILL happen next. Week 1: China will increase naval presence to 15+ ships around Taiwan. Week 2: China will declare an air defense zone — no flights in or out without Beijing's permission. Week 3: China will begin a full economic blockade of Taiwan's ports. Month 2: Taiwan's fuel reserves run out. Month 2: TSMC will shut down production — $10 trillion in chips stops flowing. Month 2: Global tech supply chain collapses instantly. Month 3: Gold will hit $7,000 per ounce as investors flee to safety. Month 3: Oil will hit $280/barrel as two war zones choke global supply. China will NOT fire a single missile first. They will starve Taiwan into submission. A blockade is cleaner than a war. It forces Taiwan to surrender without giving America a clear reason to respond. By the time Washington turns away from Iran, it will already be over. The world will wake up to a new map. Taiwan does not exist anymore as a separate country. TSMC belongs to Beijing. The entire chip supply of the world belongs to one man. Xi Jinping just became the most powerful human on the planet.-----More happy news;-)
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
As I said on the main thread, the news this morning out of Down Under is that Australia (at least the government) is in near-panic mode after the bombing of that gas plant, which provides a huge share of the natural gas used in Australia. There are about 30 days left for the entire continent, and after that, it is game over unless they can import more.

Europe is also affected, but in theory, they might (and probably will) be able to source gas from other areas, mostly Russia, if they are willing to throw Ukraine's leaders to the wolves; and it appears ever more likely that they may do so. Nothing can focus the mind faster than realizing the fuel is running out, and Winter is Coming...(even if that is next year at this point).
 

mecoastie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
As I said on the main thread, the news this morning out of Down Under is that Australia (at least the government) is in near-panic mode after the bombing of that gas plant, which provides a huge share of the natural gas used in Australia. There are about 30 days left for the entire continent, and after that, it is game over unless they can import more.

Europe is also affected, but in theory, they might (and probably will) be able to source gas from other areas, mostly Russia, if they are willing to throw Ukraine's leaders to the wolves; and it appears ever more likely that they may do so. Nothing can focus the mind faster than realizing the fuel is running out, and Winter is Coming...(even if that is next year at this point).
Isnt Australia a huge natural gas exporter? I think you are meaning liquid fuels like gasoline.
 

King Samson

I'm Here
They deployed 2,000 vessels to block the East China Sea. They just raised their military budget again at the Two Sessions meeting. America is deep in Iran with no exit. Here is what WILL happen next. Week 1: China will increase naval presence to 15+ ships around Taiwan. Week 2: China will declare an air defense zone — no flights in or out without Beijing's permission. Week 3: China will begin a full economic blockade of Taiwan's ports.
Where will China get all the oil and fuel to power all those ships and planes, since their supply from Venezuela, and now from Iran, has been totally shut off?

...."Almost all of Iran’s exported oil, and more than half of Venezuela’s, went last year to China, which remained one of the only purchasers of goods from the two heavily sanctioned nations. The two countries combined represented some 17 percent of China’s overall oil purchases — a meaningful share for the world’s largest importer of crude oil.

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mecoastie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Where will China get all the oil and fuel to power all those ships and planes, since their supply from Venezuela, and now from Iran, has been totally shut off?

...."Almost all of Iran’s exported oil, and more than half of Venezuela’s, went last year to China, which remained one of the only purchasers of goods from the two heavily sanctioned nations. The two countries combined represented some 17 percent of China’s overall oil purchases — a meaningful share for the world’s largest importer of crude oil.

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Iran is still loading and shipping oil to China. That hasnt stopped. China allegedly has over 1.5 billion barrels of strategic reserves. They can power their war machine for a while if they need to.
 

King Samson

I'm Here
Markets update:

DOW down around 10% from it all time high;

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Oil has been moving sideways the past 10 days:

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Silver down about 45% from it's recent highs.

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Melodi

Disaster Cat
I can only report on what I am reading in various places, like Sky News or hearing on the local news, which is why I don't always have links. But I believe the report said gas, which over here usually means natural ga,s as gasoline is called petrol. But either way, Australia is starting to panic about a potential shutdown of its ability to keep its supply chains, industries, and energy grid running. They are not the only country skirting the edge of viability, simply one of the largest and most isolated.
 

King Samson

I'm Here
What's interesting, the DOW fell like 7,000 points last April, (from like 44K to 37K) on the fear of tariffs kicking in, which ended up being a head fake by the Algos, and in a short while, the DOW set new records.

Now, with a potential bigger economic issue with oil, you'd expect the DOW to take an even BIGGER hit, with the Iran situation. But it hasn't. The DOW is only down like 4,500, points from it's all time high in mid February...

Go figure, are the Algo's off and on vacation?
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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As I said on the main thread, the news this morning out of Down Under is that Australia (at least the government) is in near-panic mode after the bombing of that gas plant, which provides a huge share of the natural gas used in Australia. There are about 30 days left for the entire continent, and after that, it is game over unless they can import more.

Europe is also affected, but in theory, they might (and probably will) be able to source gas from other areas, mostly Russia, if they are willing to throw Ukraine's leaders to the wolves; and it appears ever more likely that they may do so. Nothing can focus the mind faster than realizing the fuel is running out, and Winter is Coming...(even if that is next year at this point).
Not for Australia...they are heading into Fall right now...

Summerthyme
 

Greatgrandad

Veteran Member
Some people seem to only be focused on the price of their personal gasoline purchases, but they forget that most everything is transported via diesel and aviation fuel. In some cases, aviation fuel has nearly doubled in price the past couple of weeks, and diesel is $5 and well over in places. The cost of shipping and manufacturing is rocketing upward, and if you run any type of business that is heavily fuel dependent, your operating costs are now exploding well beyond your budget.

Also, most never consider the THOUSANDS of products that are made from oil and petrochemicals. All will be or are going up in price.

"More than 6,000
everyday products are derived from petroleum and natural gas, ranging from fuels and plastics to clothing, medicine, and cosmetics. Petroleum is used in countless items, including lubricants, synthetic rubber, detergents, fertilizers, and pharmaceuticals."

Key, often surprising, products made from oil include:
  • Household Items: Plastic toys, toothbrushes, soap dishes, shower curtains, and nylon carpets.
  • Clothing: Polyester, nylon, acrylic, and spandex fabrics, as well as synthetic leather shoes.
  • Healthcare:Aspirin, heart valves, medical tubing, IV bags, and plastic pill capsules.
  • Electronics: Computer casings, telephones, televisions, and telephone wires.
    Daily Essentials: Toothpaste, shampoo, lipstick, shaving cream, and deodorant.
"While a significant portion of a barrel of oil goes toward gasoline and diesel, a vast amount is transformed into petrochemicals used for manufacturing"
 

Old Greek

Veteran Member
Some people seem to only be focused on the price of their personal gasoline purchases, but they forget that most everything is transported via diesel and aviation fuel. In some cases, aviation fuel has nearly doubled in price the past couple of weeks, and diesel is $5 and well over in places. The cost of shipping and manufacturing is rocketing upward, and if you run any type of business that is heavily fuel dependent, your operating costs are now exploding well beyond your budget.

Also, most never consider the THOUSANDS of products that are made from oil and petrochemicals. All will be or are going up in price.

"More than 6,000
everyday products are derived from petroleum and natural gas, ranging from fuels and plastics to clothing, medicine, and cosmetics. Petroleum is used in countless items, including lubricants, synthetic rubber, detergents, fertilizers, and pharmaceuticals."

Key, often surprising, products made from oil include:
  • Household Items: Plastic toys, toothbrushes, soap dishes, shower curtains, and nylon carpets.
  • Clothing: Polyester, nylon, acrylic, and spandex fabrics, as well as synthetic leather shoes.
  • Healthcare:Aspirin, heart valves, medical tubing, IV bags, and plastic pill capsules.
  • Electronics: Computer casings, telephones, televisions, and telephone wires.
    Daily Essentials: Toothpaste, shampoo, lipstick, shaving cream, and deodorant.
"While a significant portion of a barrel of oil goes toward gasoline and diesel, a vast amount is transformed into petrochemicals used for manufacturing"
Agree - vast problem if it lasts. If resolved in a few more weeks, it will only be a blip. Time will tell!
 

Southside

Has No Timebombs, Lives on Life
Here is what really irritates me. I may have to keep working.
Part of my compensation is a gas card. Has been for 35 years. Gonna be tough to give up with $5.00 gas.
 

mecoastie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Some people seem to only be focused on the price of their personal gasoline purchases, but they forget that most everything is transported via diesel and aviation fuel. In some cases, aviation fuel has nearly doubled in price the past couple of weeks, and diesel is $5 and well over in places. The cost of shipping and manufacturing is rocketing upward, and if you run any type of business that is heavily fuel dependent, your operating costs are now exploding well beyond your budget.

Also, most never consider the THOUSANDS of products that are made from oil and petrochemicals. All will be or are going up in price.

"More than 6,000
everyday products are derived from petroleum and natural gas, ranging from fuels and plastics to clothing, medicine, and cosmetics. Petroleum is used in countless items, including lubricants, synthetic rubber, detergents, fertilizers, and pharmaceuticals."

Key, often surprising, products made from oil include:
  • Household Items: Plastic toys, toothbrushes, soap dishes, shower curtains, and nylon carpets.
  • Clothing: Polyester, nylon, acrylic, and spandex fabrics, as well as synthetic leather shoes.
  • Healthcare:Aspirin, heart valves, medical tubing, IV bags, and plastic pill capsules.
  • Electronics: Computer casings, telephones, televisions, and telephone wires.
    Daily Essentials: Toothpaste, shampoo, lipstick, shaving cream, and deodorant.
"While a significant portion of a barrel of oil goes toward gasoline and diesel, a vast amount is transformed into petrochemicals used for manufacturing"
Gasoline prices are seen immediately and in your face. Big digital number at every gas station. Drive by in the morning it is one price. In the afternoon it is 20c a gallon more. That other stuff is more subtle in many cases. A surcharge on a bill, an increase in your food costs. A lot of it Americans wont even comprehend until it hits them square in the face.
 

King Samson

I'm Here
Key, often surprising, products made from oil include:
  • Household Items: Plastic toys, toothbrushes, soap dishes, shower curtains, and nylon carpets.
  • Clothing: Polyester, nylon, acrylic, and spandex fabrics, as well as synthetic leather shoes.
  • Healthcare:Aspirin, heart valves, medical tubing, IV bags, and plastic pill capsules.
  • Electronics: Computer casings, telephones, televisions, and telephone wires.
    Daily Essentials: Toothpaste, shampoo, lipstick, shaving cream, and deodorant.
"While a significant portion of a barrel of oil goes toward gasoline and diesel, a vast amount is transformed into petrochemicals used for manufacturing"
Yeah, but all those items you listed were manufactured months ago, at cheaper oil prices, and are sitting in warehouses or already in the stores, so you won't see the increases.

It all comes down to how soon the "festivities" in the gulf wind down. A month or so blip in higher prices, won't translate down to all those items.

Last time we had an even BIGGER rise in oil prices, in 2022, it lasted most of a year, and we survived. So, a month or so elevation shouldn't have a big effect now.

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Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane
Market at 10:19 AM


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