GOV/MIL Former CIA Station Chief: Intelligence Agencies Cannot ‘Be Reformed’ Unless POTUS Can ‘Fire Every Federal Employee’

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Former CIA Station Chief: Intelligence Agencies Cannot ‘Be Reformed’ Unless POTUS Can ‘Fire Every Federal Employee’​

Robert Kraychik 15 Sep 2022

Former CIA officer and station chief Scott Uehlinger told Breitbart News on Thursday that intelligence agencies cannot be cleansed of political and partisan corruption unless the president has the unitary power over the federal government’s personnel decisions.

Uehlinger discussed left-wing and partisan politicization of federal intelligence agencies on Thursday’s edition of SiriusXM’s Breitbart News Daily with special guest host and retired Navy SEAL and FBI agent Jonathan Gilliam.

“It’s a real cause of concern, not just among regular folks, but [among] people who served in these agencies,” he stated. He emphasized the ubiquity of such political orientations among intelligence agency employees.

He remarked, “The infection in these organizations is not just the political appointees. It’s basically everyone from mid-grade-level and up, if not lower because they’re all the recipients of a super-liberal education.”

“They just graduate from college with this really bizarre worldview, for the most part,” he added. “Unfortunately, I kind of agree with the idea of breaking them up because I don’t really see how they can be reformed in any kind of a meaningful way unless the president has the power to basically fire every federal employee at will.”

Gilliam called for conservatives to enter institutions dominated by left-wing politics while accepting a long time horizon for reform.

“I think conservatives should flood all the agencies,” Gilliam said, “and I think that they should do the same thing with politics. I don’t care if they run as a Democrat or a Republican. We should be getting conservatives in everywhere, as much as possible”

He concluded, “Republicans never played the long game. In ten years, those people will start to make rank, and in 15 years, they’ll be at the top, and then they can change the recruit divisions. … It’s not a short game. We’re never going get somebody that’s a president that’s gonna depoliticize the FBI or the CIA.”
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
id quod patet

(Trans. Latin) That which is obvious

It will be more selective than the OP indicates. There are many, like the MAGA in ranks currently, who will "hold their nose" and do their job as their means of survival.

The problem will be telling those from the others.

Dobbin
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
That isn't totally true and if any one person could do that to the entire civil service they would be right back to the problems they had before the 1930s when the civil service was established. Every Federal job from janitor to Agency Head then goes back to being a "spoil" of whatever party wins the White House or the local Congressional District and the employees tend to change every four to eight years so no one really learns their job and disasters happens when there is no continuity of employment.

That said - it needs to be much easier for Federal Employees who are not doing their jobs to be fired or removed from their positions and it is totally possible that MORE positions need to be switched from the civil service to "serving at the will of the President" as The Agency Heads do now.

That can be accomplished without throwing the baby out with the bath water. Also, agencies that continually have huge issues to the point where they are obstructing the business of government could be subjected to an independent review board that could review the situation, and find who and/or what is responsible (often lower-level employees have no say about anything they just have to do what they are told) and have the power to recommend that certain employees be terminated or demoted depending on the issues involved.

But you really don't want the President able to just walk in and fire lower-level people, Hillary Clinton tried that as First Lady when she wanted to fire the White House travel Staff because they refused to break the rules for her. She got mad, told them they were all fired, and was told bluntly, that she didn't have the power to do that. Now what they did do, is what a President could also do, the agency transferred those staff to another office and replaced them but Hillary didn't get to pick her own travel staff.

Travel staff who served a President "at will" could be pressured to break the law under the threat that they would lose their jobs if they didn't. Even though they could later go to jail if an investigation proved the First Lady (or whomever) had broken the rules and traveled illegally on taxpayer funds.

What the CIA is really saying is, "unless the President can fire anyone we tell him to, that we don't like or that won't play ball with us; then we can't change things."
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB

Intelligence Agencies Cannot ‘Be Reformed’ Unless POTUS Can ‘Fire Every Federal Employee’​

It is all departments and levels of government. I bet more than 50% of all government employees should be fired. Many should be in jail.
None of that will be done. Our only hope for life at this point is collapse where many or most will die. There are no good answers and no good solutions. There is only death and misery ahead.
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
Much of this person's comments make sense. Get brainwashed in college. Get an entry level position, and work your way up to the top and in a few years a whole department is lefty lucy. And the Repubs and conservatives are not playing the long game. RINO's would just as soon fold in and accept the easy money while giving constituents the middle finger once in office. I have a feeling Trump realizes this by now, and either Trump or DeSantis would have the guts to make needed reforms.

The Pol Pot regime in Cambodia did a mass execution of millions of that country's citizens. I am certainly not recommending this here, definitely NOT. But the point to be made as this communist, like Mao & Stalin, realized the government they replaced hand to be completely replaced, right down to the lowest levels of civil servants. Pol Pot had all Cambodian government employees executed including their families. I'm certain Mao did the same. The commies understand that to take full control they need full control. That's why they entered the long game and did a complete takeover without firing a shot.

Sadly, our RINO's just played along, raking in the cash. They are traitors, and no one, not even commie's, like traitors. If the full communist takeover ever comes as complete as it did in China or Russia, those they execute will be RINO's along with the useful idiots.
 

vector7

Dot Collector
Intelligence Agencies Cannot ‘Be Reformed’ Unless (an America first) POTUS Can ‘Fire Every Federal Employee’
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To-late

Membership Revoked

Intelligence Agencies Cannot ‘Be Reformed’ Unless POTUS Can ‘Fire Every Federal Employee’​

It is all departments and levels of government. I bet more than 50% of all government employees should be fired. Many should be in jail.
None of that will be done. Our only hope for life at this point is collapse where many or most will die. There are no good answers and no good solutions. There is only death and misery ahead.
50%?
i‘d bet more like 95% of them need to go.
 

Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
I’ve said for a loooong time that reducing the Fed.Gov by 25% was a good START.

I’m also a proponent of Former Representative Connie Mack’s Penny Plan to reduce federal spending.

It sounds nice to make sweeping statements, but in reality, we didn’t get here overnight and we won’t emerge overnight, even if we find the will to make the necessary changes.

Jeff B.
 

desert_fox

Threadkiller
At the bird's eye view a sane citizen would not want the president to be able to "cleanse" agencies and put whoever they want. For multiple reasons:
  • after the second or third time nobody would work there due to job stability
  • it is to buffer the country from extreme political swings (left or right)
The problem is that one political party did do exactly that: they cleansed the system of conservatives and put in liberals. In the military, for example, we are seeing the fruit of what Obama did when he changed the entire command structure (basically) and the Republicans were ok with it and actually voted along to not appear racist (along with avoiding the media blitz, increasing personal wealth, etc.).

Trump should have also have done what Obama did, but he did not and now we are living with 14 plus years of liberal plantings bearing fruit.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
_______________
That isn't totally true and if any one person could do that to the entire civil service they would be right back to the problems they had before the 1930s when the civil service was established. Every Federal job from janitor to Agency Head then goes back to being a "spoil" of whatever party wins the White House or the local Congressional District and the employees tend to change every four to eight years so no one really learns their job and disasters happens when there is no continuity of employment.

That said - it needs to be much easier for Federal Employees who are not doing their jobs to be fired or removed from their positions and it is totally possible that MORE positions need to be switched from the civil service to "serving at the will of the President" as The Agency Heads do now.

That can be accomplished without throwing the baby out with the bath water. Also, agencies that continually have huge issues to the point where they are obstructing the business of government could be subjected to an independent review board that could review the situation, and find who and/or what is responsible (often lower-level employees have no say about anything they just have to do what they are told) and have the power to recommend that certain employees be terminated or demoted depending on the issues involved.

But you really don't want the President able to just walk in and fire lower-level people, Hillary Clinton tried that as First Lady when she wanted to fire the White House travel Staff because they refused to break the rules for her. She got mad, told them they were all fired, and was told bluntly, that she didn't have the power to do that. Now what they did do, is what a President could also do, the agency transferred those staff to another office and replaced them but Hillary didn't get to pick her own travel staff.

Travel staff who served a President "at will" could be pressured to break the law under the threat that they would lose their jobs if they didn't. Even though they could later go to jail if an investigation proved the First Lady (or whomever) had broken the rules and traveled illegally on taxpayer funds.

What the CIA is really saying is, "unless the President can fire anyone we tell him to, that we don't like or that won't play ball with us; then we can't change things."
Melodi, at this point, the "disaster" that counts is the total destruction of the US by these treasonous bastards. We the people can take care of our own communities in a "disaster"... fire them all! Entrenched, power hungry bureaucrats are going to be the death of humanity.

Summerthyme
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
id quod patet

(Trans. Latin) That which is obvious

It will be more selective than the OP indicates. There are many, like the MAGA in ranks currently, who will "hold their nose" and do their job as their means of survival.

The problem will be telling those from the others.

Dobbin
"Holding your nose and do your job"
How is that DIFFERENT from "I was just following orders?"
IT'S NOT!
NO SYMPATHY FROM ME!
 
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NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
At the bird's eye view a sane citizen would not want the president to be able to "cleanse" agencies and put whoever they want. For multiple reasons:
  • after the second or third time nobody would work there due to job stability
  • it is to buffer the country from extreme political swings (left or right)
The problem is that one political party did do exactly that: they cleansed the system of conservatives and put in liberals. In the military, for example, we are seeing the fruit of what Obama did when he changed the entire command structure (basically) and the Republicans were ok with it and actually voted along to not appear racist (along with avoiding the media blitz, increasing personal wealth, etc.).

Trump should have also have done what Obama did, but he did not and now we are living with 14 plus years of liberal plantings bearing fruit.
Trump either got very, very, very bad advice. OR, he is much dumber than he and a lot of people think he is.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
This is posable but it's going to take a president like Trump and someone like me showing him the laws and how to use them to his advantage and it would also allow him to fire marxist minded bureaucrats that were put in place by 0bamas people in the White House.
 

Jaybird

Veteran Member
At the bird's eye view a sane citizen would not want the president to be able to "cleanse" agencies and put whoever they want. For multiple reasons:
  • after the second or third time nobody would work there due to job stability
  • it is to buffer the country from extreme political swings (left or right)
The problem is that one political party did do exactly that: they cleansed the system of conservatives and put in liberals. In the military, for example, we are seeing the fruit of what Obama did when he changed the entire command structure (basically) and the Republicans were ok with it and actually voted along to not appear racist (along with avoiding the media blitz, increasing personal wealth, etc.).

Trump should have also have done what Obama did, but he did not and now we are living with 14 plus years of liberal plantings bearing fruit.
Most of the agencies shouldn’t be there anyway. Be done with them.
 

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Most of the agencies shouldn’t be there anyway. Be done with them.
Actually the easier way would be to fire or relieve individuals and not rehire and then say oh we have to cut our budget by so much so we have to eliminate the position.

It has to be done in such a way that the agencies are forced to contract by lack of funding.

Once interest rates for bonds and such rise, there will not be a choice. government contractions will occur.
 

Jaybird

Veteran Member
Actually the easier way would be to fire or relieve individuals and not rehire and then say oh we have to cut our budget by so much so we have to eliminate the position.

It has to be done in such a way that the agencies are forced to contract by lack of funding.

Once interest rates for bonds and such rise, there will not be a choice. government contractions will occur.
Nope. Just tell them they are fired.
 
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Jaybird

Veteran Member
Actually the easier way would be to fire or relieve individuals and not rehire and then say oh we have to cut our budget by so much so we have to eliminate the position.

It has to be done in such a way that the agencies are forced to contract by lack of funding.

Once interest rates for bonds and such rise, there will not be a choice. government contractions will occur.
I don’t think you live in the real world?
 

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I don’t think you live in the real world?
I don't live inside the box, I invented the box others are stuck inside of.

It is a common tactic in government and agencies and businesses to eliminate positions that are not filled to make budget shortfalls.

My entire point was to make the position otherwise vacant and prep for that eventuality.
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
I don't want a goobermint turnover every 4 or 8 years. I am old enough to hear stories about swapping out sheriff deputies and state road workers upon election. Not smart.

Allowing Marxist scum to ignore the constitution is not smart. Allowing true statist fascists to run the show wouldn't be smart either.

If only a few people went to jail and a rare person died by lethal injection for misdeeds, the " system" would self-correct.

Oh wait, forgot that these sumbitches have no real fiscal restraint.

Tinvowoot.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Most here will not like this. Read it anyway, I'm not here to fish for likes.
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Global Uprising!
By Chuck Baldwin

Chuck Baldwin Live

September 16, 2022

In my column last week, I reported on the mass protests going on in Europe over their governments’ dismal, yea, catastrophic leadership regarding the sanctions against Russia that are strangling their economies and making life a living hell. The column last week specifically reported on the mass protests going on in the Czech Republic.

But the mass protests going on in the Czech Republic are also taking place all over Western Europe—and the mainstream media is totally ignoring them.

From DailyFetched.com:

Citizens across the globe are rapidly rising up against their government’s failed leadership and globalist policies wreaking havoc on the economy; all the while vast amounts of the establishment media remain silent.

Tens of thousands of people openly reject the globalist ethos, which has resulted in soaring living costs and skyrocketing energy prices.

The protests are both direct in message and scope – the globalist idiocy must end.

In Indonesia, for example, thousands turned out en masse in some of the country’s biggest cities earlier this week, demanding their “government reverse its first subsidized fuel price increase in eight years amid soaring inflation.”

“Protests took place in and around the capital, Jakarta, and in the cities of Surabaya, Makassar, Kendari, Aceh, and Yogyakarta, among a series of demonstrations led by students and labour groups that police say could draw big crowds this week.”

“Thousands of police were deployed across Jakarta, many guarding petrol stations, fearing they could become targets of mounting anger over a price increase that unions say will hurt workers and the urban poor the most.”

Meanwhile in Italy, Italians gathered in the streets of Naples to protest against the nation’s rising energy costs.

Angry citizens were filmed burning their energy bills while chanting phrases such as “We don’t pay the bills!” and “Now it will be chaos!”

“We don’t want [soaring bills] anymore!” protestors also shouted.

Italians now face a brutal winter after European sanctions pelted Moscow with sanctions, one of their biggest gas importers, as the country races towards “green energy.”

Chile also so [sic] mass protests as citizens rejected a newly proposed, left-wing constitution providing the government with more control over the country’s citizenry.

Other countries like New Zealand and Germany [and The Netherlands and Great Britain and others] have also experienced protests against their governments as the uprising continues.

Sadly, in the United States the vast majority of resistance to the burgeoning Great Reset of the globalist elite has decided to vest all of its energy into reelecting Donald Trump. This is a huge mistake!

In the first place, Trump just might be the ONLY Republican candidate that Joe Biden could actually beat in 2024. In the second place, Donald Trump is a Trojan Horse. He doesn’t understand the Deep State and doesn’t want to understand it. If he should be re-elected, he would saturate his administration with Deep State CFR globalists, just as he did in his first administration. Trump is an empty suit.

Trump continues to be a rabid supporter of the kill shots, aka Covid vaccinations; he continues to be a rabid supporter of Red Flag gun confiscation laws; he continues to ignore the counsel of true freedomists regarding who the enemy is; and he is every bit the Zionist War Hawk that are Joe Biden, Lindsey Graham, Nancy Pelosi, et al.

Donald Trump has successfully sucked all of the energy and understanding out of the so-called Patriot Movement and turned it into a partisan one-man band. Trump has absolutely zero understanding of constitutional republicanism; he understands nothing about God’s Natural Laws of Liberty; and he has no desire to learn anything. Plus, he continues to be a blasphemous, arrogant, self-absorbed misogynist, narcissist money-grubber.

America desperately needs a president who has at least a modicum of understanding regarding the principles of constitutionalism and Natural rights—and most importantly a man with a humble, teachable spirit that God could honor. Trump will never be that man!

The American people should be taking to the streets in mass protests numbering in the hundreds of thousands or millions, just as is happening around the world. But Americans are too enamored with partisan politics; they are too dependent on the political establishment. They have forgotten that the fate of America is in their hands (and God’s), NOT the hands of soulless, self-absorbed politicians.

By remaining passive, the American people are allowing the pernicious powerbrokers in Washington, D.C., and New York City to keep their momentum of building a globalist feudal system growing.

Do Americans—especially conservatives and Christians—not understand that the West’s expansion of the war in Ukraine is shaking our national stability? Are they so ignorant as to not understand that America’s involvement in this conflict is the primary source of our current economic malaise—a malaise that began with the government’s Covid tyranny?

Beyond that, do they not comprehend the imminent threat to our national safety that America’s unconscionable escalation of the Ukrainian conflict poses?

Please share this report with your conservative/Christian friends who are still gung ho about the Ukraine war:

Western “half-wits” from “stupid think tanks” are leading their countries down the road of nuclear armageddon with their hybrid war against Moscow, former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev wrote on his Telegram channel on Tuesday. Endlessly funneling weapons and support to Ukraine while pretending not to be directly involved in the conflict will not work, added the deputy chair of the Russian Security Council.

The “security guarantees” proposal unveiled by Kiev on Tuesday was “really a prologue to the Third World War,” said Medvedev, calling it a “hysterical appeal” to Western countries engaged in a proxy war against Russia.

If the West continues its “unrestrained pumping of the Kiev regime with the most dangerous types of weapons,” Russia’s military campaign will move to the next level, where “visible boundaries and potential predictability of actions by the parties to the conflict” will be erased and the conflict will take on a life of its own, as wars always do, Medvedev argued.

“And then the Western nations will not be able to sit in their clean homes, laughing at how they carefully weaken Russia by proxy. Everything will be on fire around them. Their people will harvest their grief in full. The land will be on fire and the concrete will melt,” Medvedev wrote, before citing a Bible verse from Revelations 9:18.

[Revelation 9:18 says, “By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.” KJV]

“Yet still the narrow-minded politicians and their stupid think tanks, thoughtfully twirling a glass of wine in their hands, talk about how they can deal with us without entering into a direct war. Dull idiots with a classical education,” Medvedev wrote.

His comments were prompted by Kiev’s publication of a “security treaty” proposal, developed under the tutelage of former NATO secretary-general Anders Fogh Rasmussen. The draft envisions the US and its allies guaranteeing Ukraine’s pre-2014 borders with weapons, ammunition, financial assistance and training, as well as committing to maintain sanctions against Russia for as long as Kiev wants, and handing over any confiscated Russian property to Ukraine.

Such warnings are repeatedly ignored by Western leaders. America believes it is the indispensable, invincible nation: impervious to any accountability or ramification for its wicked, murderous conduct. Tragically, even Christians in America carry this foolish and devilish notion in their hearts.

That is a huge mistake!

Everyone knows that you do not follow a wounded lion or bear into its cave—unless you have a death wish. America is acting like it has a death wish. It is trying to push the Red Bear further and further into its den—at any cost. But that cost could be much higher than this country is prepared to pay.

And the fact remains: The U.S. started this war back in 2014. NATO and Ukraine are not fighting a defensive war—Russia is. It is the nation suffering from the wounds inflicted upon it by the United States and NATO. It is the wounded bear.

Most of the people in Western Europe seem to understand this, as they are out in force calling for the abolishment of their warmongering governments and demanding a return to peace and prosperity. What they may not realize is that the governmental leaders in Western Europe are merely following the instructions—and demands—of their dictatorial benefactor, Washington, D.C.

But for the time being, the good news is that a global uprising has begun—at least in Western Europe and other foreign countries.

But where the uprising is needed most is right here in the United States—an uprising that is focused on the sacred principles of Liberty, NOT on the Trojan Horse Donald Trump.

It would be so refreshing if we could just get conservatives to start rallying behind Liberty principles instead of putting all of their hope and trust in lying politicians.

At least the people in Western Europe are making their presence felt—probably because they are already starting to get a taste of what the Great Reset means for the common man. When people start running out of food, are unable to pay for electricity and gas and begin freezing at night, it tends to get one’s attention.

The Great Reset hasn’t totally gotten America’s attention yet. But it will! The only question is: By the time it does, will it be too late?

Reprinted with permission from Chuck Baldwin.
 
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